We moved up to 35 pick Rd.2! (4 x & counting merged)

[philal0102]

I just saw WSH come up.... whats going on?

[wj94]

they're on the clock.....this should be good

[Oldskool]

yes we are next on the clock

[CooleyNaMean]

I saw that too! Holy **** here comes jimmy

[Streater101]

I'm watching the NFL Network, and they went right to commercial as what I thought was "Washington Redskins are on the clock" I also thought I heard the crowd boo, which would be appropiate for a New York crowd.

Maybe I'm just hearing things

[jbooma]

I jumped up when I saw they moved up, Lindell White anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

Jimmy Williams Please!!!

[Bigredskin77]

No word on what we traded

[philal0102]

or its 35... i cant remember

[StepyagameuP]

Lets see who we get!!! TUNE IN!!!!

[SMOSS89]

ummm no lendale....more like Dqwell

[wilbur58z]

It's got to be Jimmy Williams. They wouldn't trade that high for anyone else would they?

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

jimmy williams!!!!!! holy !@#$%^&*

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

I jumped up when I saw they moved up, Lindell White anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Excuse the language, but why in the hell would we want him? We need a corner or depth at this point.

[sleazye]

who's the best available linebacker???

[CooleyNaMean]

Dqwell just got picked, bring Jimmy in and ill piss my pants

[RskinstillIdie]

Jackson is gone and we have a pwer goal line RB

[demarc007]

Oh my gosh!!! Jimmy please, please, please!!!!!

[hitmandm]

Lets see who we get!!! TUNE IN!!!!

Stupid commericials too...I am so angry there is no commentary.

[Brother Redskin]

yes and the suspense is killing me.

[Bigredskin77]

Jimmy Williams or thomas howard

[the burgundy and gold]

haha thats wierd, we just randomly appeared on the clock

[turtle]

what did we give up?

[hitmandm]

who cares about tagliabue...he's done...I want to hear about skins stuff!

[Macd36]

trust Gibbs and Co.

[sonofbutz]

D'qwell Jackson gone already

[Slacky McSlackAss]

we traded our 2nd this year, 6th this year and second next year. :doh:

[LaVarGreen2856]

Info! Info! Please! I'm not seeing the draft

[Bigredskin77]

What did we trade? anyone know

[WeownU]

What'd you give up for the pick anyone know?

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

come on snyder

[Streater101]

lol, maybe I'm not hearing things...

[jbooma]

Oh God please dont waste a pick on L White and I hope they didnt give up next years 1st

he has always loved a big rb to go with a speedy guy

[thr0xx]

i agree j. williams would be a big steal if we got him

[hitmandm]

jimmy williams!!!!!! holy !@#$%^&*

I hope Jimmy Williams

[Oldskool]

lol we traded with the Jets of all teams

[BillyKilmer]

whose pick was this?

[kreitmaster]

Jimmy Williams?

[s0crates]

Is Deuce Latui still on the board?

[Shadowplay]

What'd you give up for the pick anyone know?
I'm willing to bet it's next years first

[LaVarGreen2856]

Did we trade up before or after Cleveland took Jackson??

[HailfrmDEN]

go for williams i love this

[LaVarGreen2856]

Did we trade up before or after Cleveland took Jackson??

[brunell]

we gave up our #2 and #6 as well as our #2 next yr

[Drex]

Did we just trade the pick we attained from the Jets for Ramsey (6th rounder)?

[Bigredskin77]

Why did they pick mcantsoh Thats B.S.

[HailfrmDEN]

that ssucked

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

Why ?? Rocky? Shoulda Been Jimmy

[Mr. Buggles]

Rocky Mcintosh.. OLB Tha U!!!!

[rigginsfan87]

ROCKY McINTOSH OUT OF MIAMI

[sonofbutz]

Olb...........ehh

[WeownU]

Thats crazy. 2 number 2's and a 6 for McIntosh?? Good luck keeping him healthy

[StepyagameuP]

Jimmy Williams?


We just made sure we got McIntosh!!! Do we still have our 53rd?

[s0crates]

Ummmm. Did ESPN just completely ignore our pick?

[Bigredskin77]

Why ?? Rocky? Shoulda Been Jimmy


Thats a horrible Pick. We should have gotten Jimmy williams or Thomas Howard. Man our GM sux. We need bobby beathard back.

[terps'n'skins]

they just put the same thing up for everyone in the 2nd round

[CooleyNaMean]

why pick someone at 35 u coulda got at 53. **** this ****.

[SkinzFan007]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[WeownU]

I got to admit, when I heard you gave up 2 number 2's and a 6, I thought that was pretty good to move up and get Jimmy. But Rocky? No way. That was poor.

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

I KNOW SERIOUSLY! !@#$%^&*(@#$%^&*()@#$%^&*()_ , 6'5'' jimmy williams (shawn springs eventual successor) would have been a great addition considering how much we just traded away , IM SO MAD



WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR THE BEST PLAYER NOT A NEED RIGHT? its not even that big a need, we were looking for the best player at our spot AKA JIMMY WILLIAMS!!!

[CooleyNaMean]

no we blew this pick for sure. 2 2nd rounders. we don't know how to work the draft.

[Arsenic]

I like the move. A second rounder next year and a 6th rounder this year (we have two others) to get the guy all of our coaches wanted? We got a steal.

[THEHEREAFTER]

No.. you gave up 53 a 6th and next years second .. I believe

[qb18_200400]

Jimmy is uncoachable fellas! This is a cool pick, I do not mind it. Why we gave up a 2nd rounder next year, don't know but this pick is good, better then a headcase williams.

[Skins11]

We still have 53 right?

[terpfan]

I dont like it. We didnt need to trade up for this guy.

[Mooka]

Guys to move up you have to give up something...

And we moved up for this guy, so obvioiusly we didn't think he'd still be there at 53.

[SkinzFan007]

richard marshall or jimmy williams. what a terible FC&!!ing pick. im furious right now.

[f_trizzy]

Will this team ever value draft picks under Dan Snyder? 2 number 2s and a sixth is way too much for this guy. Are they just banking on the fact that hes from Miami that he will be a good player? Poor move by the FO, which seems to be an annual trend come late April.

[tr1]

I like this guy....figures non-Redskins fans would think it's bad....

Excellent job by the coaches and FO.

[Arenas{XP}]

Chill the hell out. Suddenly you guys have no trust in this organization. What happened to TRUST GIBBS?

[NorthFlaCane]

I love Rocky, but 2 2nd rounders? to move up 18 spots?

that's crazy talk

[DonMagicJuan]

i like it but i dont like giving up next years 2nd round pick, but it does show u how much we just wanna win now..and screw the future

[SkinzFan007]

how did we pass on marshall for rocky. this is insane.

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Now all we have to do is trade our 1st rounder next year to get Jimmy Williams and I will be a happy man

[MuDDSL1DE]

This kid better end up being worth the 2 2nd rd picks we gave up for him.

[Eastlove]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Awesome

[Rift]

Everybody's an expert.:mad:

All of a sudden we don't have faith in this coaching staff. They wanted this guy for a reason. I think Joe Gibb's record for judging character and talent is pretty good.

[stwasm]

Rocky is a good pick. He'll help us immediately and push Clemons for that outside LB spot. But, having said that, I think we gave up waaaaaaay too much to get into position for selecting him. This year's second- and sixth-rounder would have been enough. Giving up next year's second-rounder is insane! Good pick, bad decision-making in getting it.

[pr11fan]

WTF is wrong with you people, How many years of losing did we have with uber-talented but troubled players before Gibbs got here, too many to count, now he passes on a talented headcase to bring in a very good player at a position equally as weak if not more so than CB right now and you all are crying. I bet you all were the same ones crying a river last year when we didn't take Mike Williams at 9 and how'd that work out for us so far. Trust GW when it comes to defense, it's pretty sure he knows what he needs far better than all the wannabe GM's on this board. :rolleyes:

[lightskins]

i like the pick myself..Greg Williams loves speed and this guy has it. the Washington Hurriskins are at it again. I thought they were gonna say Sinorice when i first heard the guy say University of Miami. As for the draft picks, we do not care about draft picks. We go get who we want and we get out. The redskins are like a man going shopping. We go, get what we want, and leave. Do we still have a first from next year to trade?? We may get someone else in the 2nd round.

[themurf]

Hey guys, Santana Moss, Clint Portis and Sean Taylor went to Miami. If the team wants Rocky, I'm willing to give him a chance.

[Skinned]

The Pats just made the same trade as us to move from 53 to 36, except they gave a 3rd rounder next year, as opposed to our 2nd and 6th.

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

we coulda easily traded to some1 else later, I WANT THE BEST PLAYER


AKA JIMMY WILLIAMS

[wilbur58z]

Jimmy Williams was said to turn off a lot of teams because of his attitude during interviews. I didn't think they'd go for him.

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

Yea Seriously The Pats Are Smart, We're Retarded

[MisterPinstripe]

Rocky is a good pick. He'll help us immediately and push Clemons for that outside LB spot. But, having said that, I think we gave up waaaaaaay too much to get into position for selecting him. This year's second- and sixth-rounder would have been enough. Giving up next year's second-rounder is insane! Good pick, bad decision-making in getting it.

Yeah... Way too much for him. Should not have given up the other 2nd rounder.

[MisterPinstripe]

We still have 53 right?

No... We traded it for a 35th pick. No one is going to give us a 35th pick without us giving up our second round pick...

[#98QBKiller]

Guys to move up you have to give up something...

And we moved up for this guy, so obvioiusly we didn't think he'd still be there at 53.


Exactly. No need to get all pissy about it guys. Gibbs and Co. know what they're doing and we obviously need a good LB more than a CB right now. Mcintosh will be a great starting LB and that is more important than adding depth to a position that we already have two great starters at.

[SkinsNsnydeR4eveR]

Yea Now Lets Trade Our Next Year's Pick For Jimmy Williams, I Wouldnt Mind That, I Want Jimmy Damnit!

[Stonoman]

Good pick a very hard worker.The Skins will trade again.Hang on!!!!!

[heatman28]

LMAO! You guys just don't see the true outcome here do you? Excelent pick IMO!!!

[RWJ]

I love our skins, but this was STUPID. He would have been there during the 3rd round and we could have gotten him then. Sorry folks, but we need a GM. ***** at me if you will, but I think most people will agree that when it comes to the draft we do pretty lousy.

[terpfan]

Yeah, NE goes from 52 to 36 and gives up a 3rd next year.

We go from 53 to 35 and give up a second next year and a 6th this year.

Whats wrong with that picture. :(

[Farbod21]

RELAX!! we got the jets 3rd round this year in the trade...

We gave: 2nd, 2nd (2007), 6th
for: 2nd, 3rd

Decent trade, although id rather have Williams or Howard

[Lavar5150]

Jimmy William is another overrated hokie. He was projecting as a safety and a uncoachable one as well.

[No_Pressure]

Sorry all you Jimmy lovers he's gone to the Falcons now, get over it he's a headcase we have the player we wanted. Look at Gibbs' draft history, im not worried.

[Weganator]

I like Macintosh, but i WANT A CORNER.... I WANT A DE..... Macintosh bettter blow me away...

[Levi1]

Seriously, Gibbs has shown a propensity to take so called "headcases" if he thinks it is a good idea. The fact that Gibbs didn't think Williams was a risk worth taking is good enough for me, and it should be for you too.:)

[skins1972]

Yea Seriously The Pats Are Smart, We're Retarded


Coming from you the 18 year old GM wanna be.. Yes you are retarded. This FO knows more than most of us, I like the pick so enough with all of you Bitching. Get over it.

[Canadian Hog]

#1. I believe that we need to read up a little closer before posting new threads and cluttering up the board. All Redskins related draft opinions are to be posted in a particular thread as set up by the mods.

#2. Why is it a terrible pick? Let me guess....because none of the draft gurus who do mock drafts had Rocky going at 35?

#3. While I'm not 100% sure (because I'm definitely not a draft expert), I do believe reading that when picks in future drafts are traded away, they are given value below what they actually are on the draft value board. For instance, giving a second rounder away in next years draft (because it will occur in the future) is valued as being a third rounder for purposes of working out the trade according to the value chart. Bottom line is that current picks are viewed upon as being more valuable, as opposed to picks invested in the future.

[SackMachine]

Well the U does produce good linebackers and hes got the height and weight... I dont see how its a bad pick, we added some extra competition at OLB.

[bricucci]

Theres a reason 35 other teams passed on Jimmy Williams, we gave up a little much, but always do. We are building to win now, and just added a starter in the 2nd round. A 1st round talent who slipped because of injury concerns. I like the move as well.

[SkinsNeverDie]

RELAX!! we got the jets 3rd round this year in the trade...

We gave: 2nd, 2nd (2007), 6th
for: 2nd, 3rd

Decent trade, although id rather have Williams or Howard

When did we get the Jets 3rd?

[terpfan]

RELAX!! we got the jets 3rd round this year in the trade...

We gave: 2nd, 2nd (2007), 6th
for: 2nd, 3rd

Decent trade, although id rather have Williams or Howard
I dont know where you are seeing that...

[Farbod21]

RELAX!! we got the jets 3rd round this year in the trade...

We gave: 2nd, 2nd (2007), 6th
for: 2nd, 3rd

Decent trade, although id rather have Williams or Howard

CBS Sportsline

[ChrisFul]

heh. :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[jon20some]

You Hookie fans need to get a grip and let go, this isn't Blacksburg we don't need to draft someone that we know in advance will be in jail.

Relax and trust Joe.

[jwsleep]

WTF is wrong with you people, How many years of losing did we have with uber-talented but troubled players before Gibbs got here, too many to count, now he passes on a talented headcase to bring in a very good player at a position equally as weak if not more so than CB right now and you all are crying. I bet you all were the same ones crying a river last year when we didn't take Mike Williams at 9 and how'd that work out for us so far. Trust GW when it comes to defense, it's pretty sure he knows what he needs far better than all the wannabe GM's on this board. :rolleyes:

word. :applause:

[Mrmangos02]

i just think that under williams, JW would have flurished and under williams any OLB would have done just fine.

[SkinsNeverDie]

DeAngelo Hall and Jimmy Williams? Wow, thats to egotystial headcases at the same position :laugh: .

[MartinC]

Yea Now Lets Trade Our Next Year's Pick For Jimmy Williams, I Wouldnt Mind That, I Want Jimmy Damnit!

The guy is a headcase - I would not want him anywhere near my beloved Redskins.

Don't know much about McIntosh - anybody out there seen the guy play. The scouting reports say an every down linebacker who is good in coverage and has good speed but needs to work on upper body strength to get off blocks.

I think he will start in the nickle packages and hopefully work his way into the starting line up.

HTTR

Martin

[taylor362183]

Listen To You Guys This Was Not A Stupid Pick... When Does Joe Gibbs And Co Get Too Much Wrong You Guys Sound Like Giants Fans Saying We Gave Up To Much I Love The Pick We Still Have Shawn Springs And There Will Be Great Corners To Go In The First Round Next Year We Really Dont Need One This Year We Need Help At Weak Side Linebacker And We Just Got Another Player From The U How Exciting Is This Two Canes On Offense And Two On Defense Hail To The Redskins And Our Fans

[jimster]

are the people who hate this pick the same ones who don't want Holdman to start?

[Bonez3]

V tech backs are over rated- I like Rocky

[Farbod21]

WIlliams is gonna move to Free Safety anyways. We already have a stud there :)

[SkinsNeverDie]

What am I hearing about that we got the Jets 3rd round pick?

[skins1972]

Are you guys on Crack? To get the 35th pick we had to give up our 2nd for this year as well, so it all makes sense we traded our future 2nd to get the player that GW wants. Who cares since we fix our problems through FA so enough with all of you crying. FO knows what they are doing, all I am hearing is I want this I want that.. Well you are not running the show so who cares what you want. What bunch of wankers.

[jnhay]

The only thing wrong with the pick is they might have been able to get Rocky at the 53rd pick. I think they got scared that he might get picked, being that they really liked him. Also, we need a linebacker more than a corner, despite what some of you say. Shawn and Carlos can start this season, and why can't Carlos get better to become the 1st string corner? We can get a corner in the 3rd round, or get one next year. Or, even better, pick up one in free agency next year.


Are you guys on Crack? To get the 35th pick we had to give up our 2nd for this year as well, so it all makes sense we traded our future 2nd to get the player that GW wants. Who cares since we fix our problems through FA so enough with all of you crying. FO knows what they are doing, all I am hearing is I want this I want that.. Well you are not running the show so who cares what you want. What bunch of wankers.
:notworthy :applause:

[Macd36]

I like this guy....figures non-Redskins fans would think it's bad....

Excellent job by the coaches and FO.

like him also..little undersized but should put on 10 lbs quick

[TaylorPickSix]

we got a third?
WORD.
hello cedric griffin :D

and for the record I love the MacIntosh pick, I was just really bummed when I saw we traded up first, only to have D'Qwell go one pick before us.

[wilbur58z]

I don't think McIntosh would have been there at #53.

I think he would have gone in the 40s somewhere.

[edgun88]

What number is our third?

[taylor362183]

When Rocky Makes Plays All Over The Field Lets Hear You So Called Fans Cry For A Basketcase Corner Back Just Because He Played At Vt

[icewater210]

i don't think we got a third from the trade

[jnhay]

i don't think we got a third from the trade
Yes, we did.

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

i dont either....i believe the trade didnt involve a third round pick

[lovellj]

Yes, we did.

Where do you see that?

[terps'n'skins]

we coulda easily traded to some1 else later, I WANT THE BEST PLAYER


AKA JIMMY WILLIAMS

Okay, you made your point, chill out. The defensive coaches obviously saw something that they liked in McIntosh, that's what happened, now just hope that it works out well.

[barry wilburn]

RELAX!! we got the jets 3rd round this year in the trade...

We gave: 2nd, 2nd (2007), 6th
for: 2nd, 3rd

Decent trade, although id rather have Williams or Howard

Where do you see that we got the Jets third?

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

well i say we get ced....or maybe take a risk on hester

[TC4]

SCREW VIRGINIA TECH!!!!

I get soooooo tired of people who root for the Turkeys(yes your mascot is a TURKEY!!!!) thinking because the Redskins are so close to Blackburg that they need to draft EVERY STINKING VA. TECH PLAYER!!!!

[SkinsDukes]

Yes, we did.

Neither ESPN.COM or NFL.COM is showing us as having the Jets 3rd. I hope you're right, but I don't see evidence of it anywhere yet.

[heatman28]

Gem in the rough boys...

[SkinsNeverDie]

Yes, we did.

Proof?

[edgun88]

Okay, you made your point, chill out. The defensive coaches obviously saw something that they liked in McIntosh, that's what happened, now just hope that it works out well.

Very true. Everyone they pick has the qualities that they are looking for for our defense. Maybe Williams doesn't have the qualities.

[wilbur58z]

Thomas Howard just went to OAK at #38....

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

we dont have a third....it says next pick is in the 5th

[GOKU]

We Dont Have A Third Round Pick. I Like The Rocky Pick Tho

[terpfan]

Are you guys making up this third round pick crap? I see nothing that suggests that.

[Skins11]

I see no third rounder

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/draft/drafttracker/round/round3

[edgun88]

so basically.... by giving the jets our 6th, we gave Ramsey away for free!

[adarsh1]

When will Marcus McNeil be picked?

[jnhay]

Proof?
Hmm, I guess I misheard. Third pick of second round, I misheard it as a 3rd round pick. My bad. Yeah, on espn it doesn't say we got another pick. I thought we did. That sucks. :(

[talk show host]

THIS IS A GREAT PICK!!! And for everyone complaining about giving up next years 2nd.... Next years second will probably be one of the last 4-6 in in the draft, so we essentially traded a 3rd round pick to move up 18 spots to get a guy we needed at LB. No one outside of VA really thinks Jimmy williams is anything special. I would have rather seen us gamble on cedrick griffen falling a little lower down and taking him at corner but oh well. i like the pick

[TaylorPickSix]

yeah i am not seeing any evidence of this 3rd rounder. this sucks.

[IBleedBurgundy&Gold]

Hmm, I guess I misheard. Third pick of second round, I misheard it as a 3rd round pick. My bad. Yeah, on espn it doesn't say we got another pick. I thought we did.

Off with your head.

[skinshog]

Let me just say, welcome to the team Rocky, you should have some fun under GW, and we hope to have some fun watching you make plays.

[Peregrine]

We WOULDNT have been able to get Rocky at pick #53. Most have him as the 7th-8th best LB in the draft, and already 6 or so were off the board. Howard just went at #38. The entire draft has been heavy defense, DLine, CB early, now LB. The Skins made a smart move. Sitting there refusing to get a guy because some draft expert BEFORE the draft told you you could get him aty #53 is just bonehead stupid. The Redskins saw the defense and especially LB going off the board, they grabbed their man.

From what Ive heard of him, hes very smart, very talented, very good. He has 2 flaws, hes a little undersized(Marshall?) and has had injury concerns. If he doesnt have injury problems, this will work out fantastic. The scouting reports say hes not flashy, hes just good.

[BlackOps]

We suck badly at managing draft picks. I hate this. 3 for a 2nd rounder? Please.
We have ENOUGH hurricanes!!

Williams or Tapp, we needed a Hokie.

[jnhay]

THIS IS A GREAT PICK!!! And for everyone complaining about giving up next years 2nd.... Next years second will probably be one of the last 4-6 in in the draft, so we essentially traded a 3rd round pick to move up 18 spots to get a guy we needed at LB. No one outside of VA really thinks Jimmy williams is anything special. I would have rather seen us gamble on cedrick griffen falling a little lower down and taking him at corner but oh well. i like the pick

What are you talking about, are you saying we'll suck this year? Because it would be a high second rounder and a early first if we play well wouldn't it?

[SkinsNeverDie]

Off with your head.

:D

[SkinsNeverDie]

We suck badly at managing draft picks. I hate this. 3 for a 2nd rounder? Please.
We have ENOUGH hurricanes!!

Williams or Tapp, we needed a Hokie.

What we needed was a good player that would translate well in the NFL.

[JimmiJo]

We needed an LB and now we have one. We still have picks late in this draft.

[SkinsDukes]

First off, I very much like the Rocky pick. Secondly, why are people saying it cost us 2 2nd round picks? We gave up our own this year, getting one back this year, thus a net loss of 0. We did give up our 2nd in 2007, but that does not equal giving up 2 2nds and a 6th to get Rocky. Please don't make statements to sensationalize your position.

[J-Rad]

can anyone confirm with a link that we received a 3rd rounder in this year's draft?

[SkinsDukes]

can anyone confirm with a link that we received a 3rd rounder in this year's draft?

We didn't...it was a mistake, and the original poster has stated as much. Sorry...

[jnhay]

First off, I very much like the Rocky pick. Secondly, why are people saying it cost us 2 2nd round picks? We gave up our own this year, getting one back this year, thus a net loss of 0. We did give up our 2nd in 2007, but that does not equal giving up 2 2nds and a 6th to get Rocky. Please don't make statements to sensationalize your position.
People are saying we gave up two second round picks because we did. 1 this year, 1 next year.


We didn't...it was a mistake, and the original poster has stated as much. Sorry...
BTW, I wasn't the original poster. :D

[chaz13]

A 2nd next year is the equivalent of a 3rd rounder. So we gave up a 3rd and a 6th to move up 18 picks. That's fair IMO.

[wbar3383]

rofl at all the armchair gm's

you all said the same stupid crap when we traded up to draft cooley

[jnhay]

A 2nd next year is the equivalent of a 3rd rounder. So we gave up a 3rd and a 6th to move up 18 picks. That's fair IMO.
It's not equivalent of a 3rd rounder, it just doesn't effect us until next year.

[SkinsDukes]

People are saying we gave up two second round picks because we did. 1 this year, 1 next year.

Nope, people are acting as if he cost us 2 2nd rounders...that's not the case. He cost us one 2nd rounder, next year's. We received a second rounder this year, and lost our own 2nd this year, that's a net loss of 0 for 2006. We "lost" one second round pick for him and a 6th. Its incorrect to state he cost us 2 2nd rounders and a 6th, that would only be the case if we did not receive a 2nd back in return, you have to look at both sides of the equation guys.

[Newera]

The last three years the Redskins have targeted someone and have traded up to get them.

[TimFolk]

Gibbs on Skins cam.

[TC4]

We suck badly at managing draft picks. I hate this. 3 for a 2nd rounder? Please.
We have ENOUGH hurricanes!!

Williams or Tapp, we needed a Hokie.

Thank you for making my point in my post above :silly:

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

rofl at all the armchair gm's

you all said the same stupid crap when we traded up to draft cooley
I was thinking the same thing.


You guys are so funny. You want us to draft a position that's not of immediate need, just because you like a certain player? Yeah, that's real smart. We needed a OLB and we got one of the best remaining OLB's on the board. Chill out you guys.

[seanyt]

I thought I had read we were going to stay put with our picks not GIVE away our future ones. Trust in our F.O. or not trust this was too steep for a guy i'm reading can do one thing and not the other. WOW...

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Gibbs on Skins cam.
What's he saying?

[McMetal]

Good player, the guy I was hoping for...LB is much more of an immediate need than CB, IMO. We can always grab a corner later or next year, or even find Springs' replacement via free agency.

I'm sure we didn't just move up for the hell of it. I would think they had solid information that Rocky would be long gone by #53. If this is really the guy they wanted, they had no choice. We got raped on that trade though. What is it about the Jets screwing us over in these deals? Next year's second is waaay too high a price. I would rather have given up the rest of this year's picks and tried our luck with the UDFA crop.

[J-Rad]

I have to say, I trust Gibbs and Co, but I wish we would go into a draft with 1 or more pick in EACH of the first 4 rounds.... :(

[Nighthawk]

SkinsDukes, thanks for stating the obvious. As I read, post after post about how we traded two 2nd rounders and a 6th for the pick, it was driving me crazy, but you explained it perfectly.

Oops, I just noticed this is the teenagers thread.

By the way, Hokies Suck!

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

Good player, the guy I was hoping for...LB is much more of an immediate need than CB, IMO. We can always grab a corner later or next year, or even find Springs' replacement via free agency.

I'm sure we didn't just move up for the hell of it. I would think they had solid information that Rocky would be long gone by #53. If this is really the guy they wanted, they had no choice. We got raped on that trade though. What is it about the Jets screwing us over in these deals? Next year's second is waaay too high a price. I would rather have given up the rest of this year's picks and tried our luck with the UDFA crop.
Actually it's been us to screw the Jets over hasn't it?

I mean, we got Thomas, Hall, Moss, Coles (who had one good year, then allowed us to get Moss).

Ramsey may be exceptional for them, but that's unknown. So it's hard to say a 6th for him wasn't worth it. Mcintosh sounds like a good player. We'll see what happens.

But I think it's a stretch to say we've gotten raped by the Jets. If anything it's been the other way around.

[SkinFan63]

WTF is wrong with you people, How many years of losing did we have with uber-talented but troubled players before Gibbs got here, too many to count, now he passes on a talented headcase to bring in a very good player at a position equally as weak if not more so than CB right now and you all are crying. I bet you all were the same ones crying a river last year when we didn't take Mike Williams at 9 and how'd that work out for us so far. Trust GW when it comes to defense, it's pretty sure he knows what he needs far better than all the wannabe GM's on this board. :rolleyes:


Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Stop whining people and smell the freakin coffee.
EVERYTHING we have done this offseason has been "Godlike."
Including this pick.

In Gibbs we trust.:cheers:

Hail!:point2sky

[TheLongshot]

Well, I would have liked to have seen a corner, but that wasn't going to happen with all the corners going off the board. Personally, I think it was a good move.

Jason

[golfgram]

I don't mind the trade up, but I believe there was a TON of great players at 35, and seemed as if many would be there at 53, the way the draft was going with all these guys still on the board:
- Rocky McIntosh
- Ashton Youboty
- Richard Marshall
- Winston Justice
- Daniel Bullocks
- LenDale white
- Sinorice Moss
- Darnell Bing
- Ko Simpson
- etc

Trading future 2nd rounders may not seem like a big thing, but you better make great picks or it can harm future talent in an organization.

Rocky(who i like) better pan out great or the cost is very high.

[iheartskins]

You're making a whole host of assumptions about all of these players in saying that the cost is very high. Some will pan out, some will not.

The analysis of whether this was a "good" pick is premature. Only 5 to 10 years down the road will it be very clear whether this was a good or bad move.

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

I love Rocky!!! we got what we needed...Linebacker

[D-Fence]

What are you talking about, are you saying we'll suck this year? Because it would be a high second rounder and a early first if we play well wouldn't it?

Yo guy, the NFL draft doesn't work like a fantasy draft. Better the record the frther back you pick in EVERY round.

PAY ATTENTION!
:doh: :doh: :doh:

[Air Force Cane]

"why pick someone at 35 u coulda got at 53. **** this ****."


Ah, so now 19 year old kids know more than a 65 year old three time Super Bowl Champion Hall of Fame coach...

nice to know.

[TheLongshot]

Well, someone at Yahoo is smoking something:


Frank Coyle: McIntosh was selected by the Redskins after a trade with the Jets. McIntosh is a fine athlete who fills a pressing need after the loss of veteran Lavar Arrington to the Giants. They paid a high price to move up, surrendering all late picks plus their No. 2 pick next year in a very fooish move.

We did not give up all of our second day picks, just one 6th. :doh:

Jason

[SkinsDukes]

I don't mind the trade up, but I believe there was a TON of great players at 35, and seemed as if many would be there at 53, the way the draft was going with all these guys still on the board:
- Rocky McIntosh
- Ashton Youboty
- Richard Marshall
- Winston Justice
- Daniel Bullocks
- LenDale white
- Sinorice Moss
- Darnell Bing
- Ko Simpson
- etc

Trading future 2nd rounders may not seem like a big thing, but you better make great picks or it can harm future talent in an organization.

Rocky(who i like) better pan out great or the cost is very high.

True that is a talented list of prospects, but how many really fit a need for this team? White and Moss had no shot at being Skins, as we don't need another RB or WR. Bing and Ko are safeties and we are set there. That really only leaves McIntosh, Youboty, Marshall, and Justice to fall from 35 to 53. That's probably a stretch to think they fall that far. And of those truly only McIntosh, Youboty and Marshall fit immediate areas of need. If we limit it to those three players it looks like a wise move to move up to grab the one we rated highest.

[Peregrine]

Yeah, nice list of prospects. However there was only one player in that entire list who has a shot to start right away at WLB. Hes the guy we drafted, a very smart LB.

People listed his lack of size as a downside... yet hes almost the exact same size as Marshall. If its strength, thats something that can easily be worked on with the training staff.

[JCav06]

I don't know much about this kid, but we've had a lot of recent success with Miami players so I'll trust Gibbs' judgment.

[Skins3000]

You're making a whole host of assumptions about all of these players in saying that the cost is very high. Some will pan out, some will not.

The analysis of whether this was a "good" pick is premature. Only 5 to 10 years down the road will it be very clear whether this was a good or bad move.

In actuality the cost is too high based on value charts. In order for the Skins to move from the 53 spot to the 35 spot would not have cost them another 2nd round draft pick for next year along with the 52nd pick this year and a 6th rounder this year. Yes, Macintosh could possibly be a great player but you do not overpay just because it is a mercedes.

[the burgundy and gold]

anyone have videos of this guy, are there any Miami U fans on here who can give us an update on him?

[sitting bull]

anyone have videos of this guy, are there any Miami U fans on here who can give us an update on him?

Rocky Highlights (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/prospects?rank_type=15)

[Joe Gibbs II]

Draft picks are simply= retarded. Not who we draft, but the value.

You see an amazing WR in Lloyd go for less than this. You see Daunte go for a 2nd round, then you see a #35 who has potential go for a 2 2nd's and a 6th!?

This has nothing to do with Rocky himself or the Redskins, just the way the picks are valued. Its ridiculous

[dreamshatterer]

At least we don't need to firgure out a nickname for him.

[Nighthawk]

What nobody wants to understand is that, its not to much, if you get the guy you want.

This is the guy the Redskins wanted, and they got him. Period. Last year they wanted Jason Campbell and they did what they had too, to get him.

Two years ago, they wanted Cooley and they got him.

If they had wanted somebody else, instead of Rocky, then they would have taken them. They didn't.

Do you realize how many teams lose out on guys they want because they "think" they'll be there when they pick? They obviously didn't think he was going to be there regardless of what you armchair GM's think. Most of the mock drafts I've looked at have him going ahead of #53.

Just like in FA, we pay to get the guy we want. We don't wait for somebody else to decide what they're worth. We make sure we get who we want because that WHAT we want. They don't settle for some other guy because they weren't willing to spend the money.

Understand that and be happy or understand that and don't like it, but stop being surprised we get who we want.

[TheLongshot]

In actuality the cost is too high based on value charts. In order for the Skins to move from the 53 spot to the 35 spot would not have cost them another 2nd round draft pick for next year along with the 52nd pick this year and a 6th rounder this year. Yes, Macintosh could possibly be a great player but you do not overpay just because it is a mercedes.

Not according to this:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154143

Don't know what chart you are reading...

Jason

[CapitalDefense]

This is what I said yesterday in post about Thomas...


Thomas has all the physical tools but he seems to be the less polished of the top 8 or 9 guys at OLB. I have seen alot of bios on the LB's over the past few weeks and its sounds as if he needs a little more coaching than the other guys. I am not saying that Thomas will not be a good player, he might turn out to be a stud for all in know, but I think maybe a guy like McIntosh or Alston could help us more in 2006, which means no Holdman. If ya know what I mean....http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/pointstosky.gif
Seems like GW like McIntosh as much as I did....WOOT!!!!!

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Rocky McIntosh, great pick! Now we need CB, OL and DT.

[bmw2301]

I'm really wondering about this CB situation, I really dont understand how that is not our #1 concern. I mean all we have now is a 5th.....Thats basically useless for instant production. I like McIntosh, but I really thought CB should be the major concern.

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

I love Rocky.....The U = great players............hes gonna be a great player under greg........

[TheLongshot]

I'm really wondering about this CB situation, I really dont understand how that is not our #1 concern. I mean all we have now is a 5th.....Thats basically useless for instant production. I like McIntosh, but I really thought CB should be the major concern.

It is a concern, but not a major one. Right now, we have 4 corners, so we are pretty solid. I still think we need one more, and eventually we need to find a replacement for Springs.

Really, tho, there wasn't much value at corner in the second round, since the run happened in the first round.

Really, the only guy that would have been worth picking was Jimmy Williams.

Jason

[beastman]

Starting positions need to be addressed first. We have two very good starters at corner. The starting WLB position was shaky at best, and now we have an athletic player to step in and make our defense that much more versatile and effective.

[techboy]

I'm a little confused. Are the people asserting that the Redskins "gave up to much" on the floor with the Redskins at Rockefeller? Because, otherwise, I can't see that there's enough information to make that determination. Consider the facts we do have:

1)The Redskins need a linebacker to replace Arrington (they appear to really like McIntosh)

2) at 34, 6 linebackers had already been taken

3) at 36, the Patriots jumped up and took another linebacker

Possible scenario: There is a run on linebackers. The Jets are fielding calls for their spot, and the Redskins have to outbid another team (like the Patriots), or they're out of luck because another team would jump up and take the guy they want. Although it's more than they would like, they trade up anyway to get the guy Gibbs and Williams want.

Unless one is privy to the wheeling and dealing going on on the floor, it seems irresponsible to speculate as to overpaying.

It is a truism of economics that a commodity is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

[whlinder]

I remember when we used to trade down to pick up extra picks and get the guy we wanted (Bailey, Champ and Ramsey, Patrick). Now we trade away picks to get the guys we want. All that matters is the W & Ls, but if these guys (Campbell, McIntosh) don't pan out, we will be in some trouble.

[DCMONEY]

It is a concern, but not a major one. Right now, we have 4 corners, so we are pretty solid. I still think we need one more, and eventually we need to find a replacement for Springs.

Really, tho, there wasn't much value at corner in the second round, since the run happened in the first round.

Really, the only guy that would have been worth picking was Jimmy Williams.

Jason


They gave Rogers and Springs. Thats it. The other 2 breathe oxygen.

[DCMONEY]

I remember when we used to trade down to pick up extra picks and get the guy we wanted (Bailey, Champ and Ramsey, Patrick). Now we trade away picks to get the guys we want. All that matters is the W & Ls, but if these guys (Campbell, McIntosh) don't pan out, we will be in some trouble.

Bottom line is when you go all out they better pan out. You can't give up so much and then say lets see how it works. I was out and about today and my cell phone blew up and I knew something crazy had been done. I just kinda laugh it off now to keep from getting mad. I'm kinda used to it. They never cease to amaze me.

[chaught76]

I like the player pick, but thought we select Richard Marshall at that position instead of Rocky. I agree with most, I think we gave up to much to move up that far, but Gibbs and company haven't lead us astray so far. HTTR!!!

Welcome of Skins Rocky!!!!

[Rocky21]

I don't know much about McIntosh but I know we paid a lot to get him. Way too much in my opinion.

[Whiskeypeet]

This reads like a game day thread. Idiots spouting off never to be heard from again.

Six pages in and I can't read more.

[Skins3000]

Not according to this:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154143

Don't know what chart you are reading...

Jason
The math is a little off on your friends chart. If the Skins win the Super Bowl then of course they would pick in the last round of the 2nd. But based on the fact they finished as the last team to make the playoffs you must assume the same and the point value would be 370 points plus 370 points and a six rounder which equates well over 200 points for moving down a couple of spots. Too extreme my friend but hey we are the Skins and that is how we do business which I never question but sometimes the Skins can play it conservative when it comes to draft picks and free agency.

[jon20some]

We suck badly at managing draft picks. I hate this. 3 for a 2nd rounder? Please.
We have ENOUGH hurricanes!!

Williams or Tapp, we needed a Hokie.

Hookie, Hookie, Hookie, I'm High!!
Who the F*&* is VPI
SoloRex Solo Rah!
We are the retards of VPI!!!!!