Male student wearing dress denied entrance to prom

[Blondie]

Yep.

He was wearing a gown.

Dress Wearing Male Student (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/052506dnnatpromdress.1b7211b5.html)

Male student wearing dress denied entrance to prom

05:51 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 24, 2006
Associated Press



GARY, Ind. – A male student who has worn women's clothes to school all year was turned away from his high school prom because he was wearing a dress.

Kevin Logan, 18, went to the West Side High School prom on Friday in a slinky fuchsia gown and heels. He believes officials discriminated against him by not allowing him inside.

"I have no formal pictures, no memories, nothing. You only have one prom," he said.

*** The remainder of the article is found with the link.


I am not sure I could handle one of my male students coming to prom in a long flowing gown.

Blondie

[skinfan2k]

thats great news.. dont let a shemale go to the prom in a female dress

[SackMachine]

I wonder what will happen to the crossdressers at my school next month. Should be interesting.


p.s the link isnt working for me.

[NoCalMike]

Gawd who cares. Is it really that big a deal?

Ironic, because if jocks took him behind the bulding and started kicking his ass, I am sure the faculty that was outraged with him wearing a dress would probably say, "well that is just the way jocks are"

[#98QBKiller]

Hmmmm. If he's brave enough to wear a dress and heels to the prom then I say let him in. He should also be brave enough to endure what the other students would do and say to him.

[Sarge]

Good. Keep the freaks out

[Ancalagon the Black]

Private school? They can do what they want.
Public school? They shouldn't have turned him away.

[Sarge]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

[Blondie]

Link repaired.

Blondie

[NoCalMike]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

Yeah those sure were the "good" ol' days: :rolleyes:
That still happens today unfortunately, and the faculties do little to nothing about it.

[Sarge]

Yeah those sure were the "good" ol' days: :rolleyes:
That still happens today unfortunately, and the faculties do little to nothing about it.

That's because you libs took corporal punishment out of schools. Something about "self esteem"?

Works both ways you know

[dfitzo53]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?
I don't understand why you feel the need to kick his ass. Because he's different?

[Sarge]

I don't understand why you feel the need to kick his ass. Because he's different?



Because "he" was wearing a DRESS. THink there's something there that doesn't jive with normal?

[NoCalMike]

That's because you libs took corporal punishment out of schools. Something about "self esteem"?

Works both ways you know


Huh? Can you explain the analogy, I am not understanding it.

[Patrick Evidente]

dont let a shemale go to the prom in a female dress

The politically correct term is ladyboys.

[Brother Redskin]

Hmmmm. If he's brave enough to wear a dress and heels to the prom then I say let him in. He should also be brave enough to endure what the other students would do and say to him.

You saw this part right.
A male student who has worn women's clothes to school all year was turned away from his high school prom because he was wearing a dress.
He's probably used to it or them to him.

[dfitzo53]

Because "he" was wearing a DRESS. THink there's something there that doesn't jive with normal?
So we should beat up everyone who isn't normal?

[DCsportsfan53]

Because "he" was wearing a DRESS. THink there's something there that doesn't jive with normal?

Normal doesn't matter. How the hell was he hurting or affecting anyone else? What shouldn't be normal is the guys like you who want to kick the ass of everyone who doesn't look normal to you.

[Sarge]

Huh? Can you explain the analogy, I am not understanding it.

Corporal punishment was taken out of school by libs because it supposedly causes "self esteem issues"

Hence, teachers can't beat kids asses when they get out of line, whether they throw a M-80 down the toilet or beat up a "ladyboy"

I the old days if someone would have pulled this, unless it was a known joke and not someone making a statement, this kid would have gotten his ass kicked and the ass kickers would have been resigned to taking a whipping from the principle afterward. That would have been the consideration before the ass kicking.

Now you can do anything you want in school, including kicking the ass of a feminine "guy" and not get any punishment, except maybe a stern talking to

[Sarge]

Normal doesn't matter.

Ahhh, the rallying cry of the libs

[DCsportsfan53]

Huh? Can you explain the analogy, I am not understanding it.

There's nothing to understand except prejudice. Of course, that's just us being sensitive leftist looniy pansys. God I wish I was tough enough to beat up the people who don't dress like me. :rolleyes:

[Patrick Evidente]

Normal doesn't matter. How the hell was he hurting or affecting anyone else? What shouldn't be normal is the guys like you who want to kick the ass of everyone who doesn't look normal to you.

He doesn't want to get turned on if he sees a dude wearing a dress.

[DCsportsfan53]

Ahhh, the rallying cry of the libs

Please explain to me how it affects anyone else at that prom that he wore a dress.

[#98QBKiller]

That's because you libs took corporal punishment out of schools. Something about "self esteem"?

Works both ways you know



How do you know he's a "lib?"

[Sarge]

Please explain to me how it affects anyone else at that prom that he wore a dress.

Maybe it offends people's sense of normal

Maybe it disrupts an event that kids want to remember and not have spoiled by some freak trying to draw attention to him/herself

[Sarge]

There's nothing to understand except prejudice. Of course, that's just us being sensitive leftist looniy pansys. God I wish I was tough enough to beat up the people who don't dress like me. :rolleyes:

Oh, freak prejudince. A new catagory for the ACLU to sue someone over :rolleyes:

[dfitzo53]

Maybe it offends people's sense of normal
And they say liberals are the sensitive ones. :rolleyes:

[DCsportsfan53]

Maybe it offends people's sense of normal

Maybe it disrupts an event that kids want to remember and not have spoiled by some freak trying to draw attention to him/herself

He wore females clothes all year. Does he have less of a right to enjoy prom because he's the one who's not normal?

[Sarge]

So we should beat up everyone who isn't normal?

No, shunning would do

[Sarge]

How do you know he's a "lib?"

NoCalMike?

A well know lib :D

[Larry]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

No, I remember the days when we didn't know right and wrong, and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

Y'See, Sarge, physically assaulting someone because you think he dresses (no pun intended) funny? That's what's called "wrong".

[Larry]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

Good thing he wasn't a black kid dating a white woman. In the good old days he could've been lynched.

[DCsportsfan53]

If this kid's not dressing provacatively, not "showing skin" and it ruins someone's prom, the problem's with them not the "ladyboy".

[twa]

He wore females clothes all year. Does he have less of a right to enjoy prom because he's the one who's not normal?

From what I recall the Prom is not a right nor entitlement and is subject to different standards than school.

Personaly I could care less either way.

[Sarge]

No, I remember the days when we didn't know right and wrong, and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

Y'See, Sarge, physically assaulting someone because you think he dresses (no pun intended) funny? That's what's called "wrong".

Obviously, if he was banned from the prom, I'm not the only one that thinks what he did was wrong.

But I can understand how hard it is for libs to understand the right and wrong thing.

Afterall, if it feels good, do it, right?

[DCsportsfan53]

Obviously, if he was banned from the prom, I'm not the only one that thinks what he did was wrong.

But I can understand how hard it is for libs to understand the right and wrong thing.

Afterall, if it feels good, do it, right?

Obviously, like Larry said, if a black man got lynched for dating a white girl a number of people think it's wrong. That doesn't mean jack **** and you know it.

[DCsportsfan53]

Obviously, if he was banned from the prom, I'm not the only one that thinks what he did was wrong.

But I can understand how hard it is for libs to understand the right and wrong thing.

Afterall, if it feels good, do it, right?

The difference is I understand that people have varying degrees of what they feel is right and wrong and to unilaterally make one interpretation of that the rule is arrogant at best. That's my biggest problem with the current conservative movement and it's evangelical undertones. Who the hell made them the keeper of the definition of right and wrong?

[#98QBKiller]

NoCalMike?

A well know lib :D


Haha. Alright then.

[Larry]

Obviously, if he was banned from the prom, I'm not the only one that thinks what he did was wrong.

But I can understand how hard it is for libs to understand the right and wrong thing.

No, I understand it perfectly.

And you're the one that's wrong.


Afterall, if it feels good, do it, right?

Sure. What's a little assault if it feels good to the assaulters, right? Is that the point you were trying to make?

[jrockster21]

Because "he" was wearing a DRESS. THink there's something there that doesn't jive with normal?


The truly ironic thing is that Sarge is far, far, FAR away from being "normal."

[Major Harris]

Gawd who cares. Is it really that big a deal?

Ironic, because if jocks took him behind the bulding and started kicking his ass, I am sure the faculty that was outraged with him wearing a dress would probably say, "well that is just the way jocks are"

sorry, but that's a crock of :pooh:.

[Patrick Evidente]

If this kid's not dressing provacatively, not "showing skin" and it ruins someone's prom, the problem's with them not the "ladyboy".

Exactly. It's been happening all year and now the school is freaked out?

[Sarge]

Obviously, like Larry said, if a black man got lynched for dating a white girl a number of people think it's wrong. That doesn't mean jack **** and you know it.

I'm not the one banned from the prom.

But I know yo libs try everyday to get stuff like this to be accepted as "Normal".

Just business as usual. Happens every day

It speaks poorly for the state of things that so many of you see nothing wrong with what fruit boy did

[Sarge]

The truly ironic thing is that Sarge is far, far, FAR away from being "normal."

From you, I'll take that as a compliment :D

[Ancalagon the Black]

It speaks poorly for the state of things that so many of you see nothing wrong with what fruit boy did

Can you explain what, exactly, he did wrong?

[DCsportsfan53]

I'm not the one banned from the prom.

But I know yo libs try everyday to get stuff like this to be accepted as "Normal".

Just business as usual. Happens every day

It speaks poorly for the state of things that so many of you see nothing wrong with what fruit boy did

I love how dressing oddly is doing something wrong but unmercifully beating him for it isn't. An who's moral compass is out of whack? :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

No, I understand it perfectly.

And you're the one that's wrong.



Sure. What's a little assault if it feels good to the assaulters, right? Is that the point you were trying to make?

Works both ways doesn't it? OR does that phrase only apply to lib causes?

[DCsportsfan53]

Can you explain what, exactly, he did wrong?

He might have "the gay". He could've infected other students. Shame on him.

[Larry]

Now that (hopefully) I can turn my back on the impending assault and talk about the kid in the dress,

I can see a reason for banning him. (I'd say thay should've told him about it before hand. Maybe allowed the students to vote on it. Just saying banning him isn't the same as hauling him off to Gitmo or something.)

The Prom is a formal event. That means it has a dress (no pun intended) code. I could at least see a case claiming that banning boys in drag is no different from banning boys in cutoff blue jeans.

Me, personally: If he's been dressing (no pun intended) that way all year, than I'd say folks're used to it. (Or at least they're polite enough, unlike some posters 'round here, to ignore the goofy-looking freak and make fun of him behind his back.) I'd likely have allowed it. But I'm not running down to the courthouse to sue, either.

[Sarge]

Can you explain what, exactly, he did wrong?

"He" wore a "DRESS" to a dance. You know, a "male" wearing female clothing

No one sees anything wrong with this, except me and the school officials?

[Larry]

It speaks poorly for the state of things that so many of you see nothing wrong with what fruit boy did

What it "speaks poorly" of is that there just isn't as many violent biggots in the world as there used to be.

Darn.

[DCsportsfan53]

Works both ways doesn't it? OR does that phrase only apply to lib causes?

You're missing one major difference. What ladyboy did didn't cause harm to anyone else. Beating his ass would. That phrase (for me) does apply both ways if you aren't harming anyone else.

[Sarge]

That phrase (for me) does apply both ways if you aren't harming anyone else.

I'll keep this in mind in future debates

[Sarge]

What it "speaks poorly" of is that there just isn't as many violent biggots in the world as there used to be.

Darn.

Yeah, and now we have girlymen running around as a result.

[jrockster21]

No one sees anything wrong with this, except me and the school officials?


Its certainly unusual (except for Hawaii :laugh: ), but wrong? Why is it wrong?

[DCsportsfan53]

I'll keep this in mind in future debates

Like gun control? Go ahead, stockpile em all you want. I don't care. I'm all for the gov't being completely univolved in personal life. Period. I don't like laws that tell people how to behave. UNLESS, the action causes harm to someone else.

[jrockster21]

Yeah, and now we have girlymen running around as a result.

Oh wow...can't believe you went there. Can't say I'm surprised at you making that comment...didn't think you'd make it publicly like this.

[Sarge]

Oh wow...can't believe you went there. Can't say I'm surprised at you making that comment...didn't think you'd make it publicly like this.


What? Is the term "girlyman" offensive now or something?

[jrockster21]

What? Is the term "girlyman" offensive now or something?


No, but you've said that being a "girlyman" is wrong, and you said that there are more "girlymen" around because there aren't enough bigots. Therefore according to your logic, its okay to be a bigot.

[Ancalagon the Black]

"He" wore a "DRESS" to a dance. You know, a "male" wearing female clothing

No one sees anything wrong with this, except me and the school officials?

Wow, I had no idea how easily offended you are by the things people do. I'll try to be more politically correct around you to avoid hurt feelings.

[Sarge]

Wow, I had no idea how easily offended you are by the things people do. I'll try to be more politically correct around you to avoid hurt feelings.


Thank you :D

[Mooka]

Let the wierdo wear a dress.

[twa]

Whats wrong is the school officials let him dress in female clothes everyday for the past school year and only ban him now. Its dumb and its not fair to him. If they had a problem with it, they should have brought it up on Day One.

If it is like most proms there are strict rules on dress and behavior that go beyond everday rules for school activities...one of the reasons I skipped mine.

[Sarge]

Whats wrong is the school officials let him dress in female clothes everyday for the past school year and only ban him now. Its dumb and its not fair to him. If they had a problem with it, they should have brought it up on Day One.

Agreed. But as someone said, the prom is a formal event with a dress(no pun intended) code.

You know, one of those things called "rules"

Rubs the "If it feels good, do it" crowd wrong I know

[Patrick Evidente]

Agreed. But as someone said, the prom is a formal event with a dress(no pun intended) code.

You know, one of those things called "rules"

Rubs the "If it feels good, do it" crowd wrong I know

It doesn't matter. The ladyboy was wearing a dress. It's not like he/she was wearing a dotted bikini.

[Larry]

No, but you've said that being a "girlyman" is wrong, and you said that there are more "girlymen" around because there aren't enough bigots. Therefore according to your logic, its okay to be a bigot.

I think you're mis-stating Sarge's point, here.

What he's saying is that it's morally wrong to not be a bigot.

And a violent one, at that.

[twa]

No, but you've said that being a "girlyman" is wrong, and you said that there are more "girlymen" around because there aren't enough bigots. Therefore according to your logic, its okay to be a bigot.


It is as much a Right to be a bigot as a Ladyboy...Some people seem to pick favorites in which rights to support. :laugh:

[DCsportsfan53]

It is as much a Right to be a bigot as a Ladyboy...Some people seem to pick favorites in which rights to support. :laugh:

I agree, important point. You can't pick and choose. The very nature of freedom of speech and expression entails seeing and hearing things you don't like and that may be disturbing to you. Polical Correctness has taken those freedoms and turned them into freedom from being offended, which is the exact opposite of freedom, it's censorship.

[CHUBAKAH]

I agree, important point. You can't pick and choose. The very nature of freedom of speech and expression entails seeing and hearing things you don't like and that may be disturbing to you. Polical Correctness has taken those freedoms and turned them into freedom from being offended, which is the exact opposite of freedom, it's censorship.
Does that mean right wingers suck?
:laugh:

[Larry]

It is as much a Right to be a bigot as a Ladyboy...Some people seem to pick favorites in which rights to support. :laugh:

Oh, I'll defend Sarge's right to be a bigot all day long.

In fact, I'm glad he does it. I think Archie Bunker did as much to promote civil rights as Martin Luther King. He made racial prejudice socially undesirable.

Nothing helps win hearts and minds like having an ugly spokesman for the opposition.

It's when he starts advocating assault that I think something Needs To Be Said.

[Sarge]

No, but you've said that being a "girlyman" is wrong, and you said that there are more "girlymen" around because there aren't enough bigots. Therefore according to your logic, its okay to be a bigot.

Being a girlyman is wrong. It is abnormal. Sorry your moral compass has a magnet attached

And 20 years or so ago, before the girlyman wore a dress to school, he'd have to take into consideration that if he went through with it, that at the very least he was going to be given **** mercilessly,shamed if you will, and at worst he might take an ass pounding.

Today, girlymen have no such considerations. THey aren't considered freakish/abnormal/whatever by people like you, and all the guys are on Ridilen.

That's why there are more gielymen around

[Sarge]

Oh, I'll defend Sarge's right to be a bigot all day long.

In fact, I'm glad he does it. I think Archie Bunker did as much to promote civil rights as Martin Luther King. He made racial prejudice socially undesirable.

Nothing helps win hearts and minds like having an ugly spokesman for the opposition.

It's when he starts advocating assault that I think something Needs To Be Said.

So the school officials are bigots too?

Got it

[jrockster21]

It is as much a Right to be a bigot as a Ladyboy...Some people seem to pick favorites in which rights to support. :laugh:

I wasn't saying he didn't have a right to be a bigot, just that he said it was okay to be one. I don't think it is, and the majority of society (I hope) would agree with me. :whoknows:

[Larry]

So the school officials are bigots too?

Got it

Actually, if you'll scroll back,

That guy who pointed out that the prom has a dress (no pun intended) code?

That was me.

(The parenthases should've been a tip-off.)

[visionary]

Whoa, this was like two pages a little while ago....

[twa]

I wasn't saying he didn't have a right to be a bigot, just that he said it was okay to be one. I don't think it is, and the majority of society (I hope) would agree with me. :whoknows:

Wouldn't that make you bigoted? ;)

Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

[visionary]

If this kid's not dressing provacatively, not "showing skin" and it ruins someone's prom, the problem's with them not the "ladyboy".

Yeah, as long as he isn't dressed indecently I don't see what the problem, is I guess. I mean it's freaky and I would never wear a dress or go to a prom for that matter :laugh: but who cares?


:)

[Seabee1973]

Gawd who cares. Is it really that big a deal?

Ironic, because if jocks took him behind the bulding and started kicking his ass, I am sure the faculty that was outraged with him wearing a dress would probably say, "well that is just the way jocks are"


Nope it woudl go down as a hate crime

[Sarge]

Yeah, as long as he isn't dressed indecently I don't see what the problem, is I guess. I mean it's freaky and I would never wear a dress or go to a prom for that matter :laugh: but who cares?


:)

But why let him disrupt a once in a lifetime event for the other normal kids?

[Seabee1973]

Yeah those sure were the "good" ol' days: :rolleyes:
That still happens today unfortunately, and the faculties do little to nothing about it.

His parents should have slapped him first for even thinking about wearfing something like that. actually the should have slapped him the minute he first dressed up.

[Larry]

But why let him disrupt a once in a lifetime event for the other normal kids?

He's been doing it all year.

The odds are overwhelming that several of his friends were in that prom.

(Heck, even I had friends in High School. I just didn't think I had any.)

FWIW, I think somebody wore a dress to my prom. (I didn't go.)

(Two guys wanted to go stag and party with their friends and their dates. The school had a rule prohibiting singles from attending. So one of them wore a dress. I don't remember how it worked out, but I think he was allowed to pull it off.)

(Going to the Prom. Not the dress.)

[jrockster21]

Wouldn't that make you bigoted? ;)

Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices


Hey, quit bustin' my balls here, okay?? [/Tony Soprano]

[visionary]

But why let him disrupt a once in a lifetime event for the other normal kids?

I don't see how it would be a disruption. It's just someone acting weird...it happens everywhere. Every party/get together has at least one.

[twa]

His parents should have slapped him first for even thinking about wearfing something like that. actually the should have slapped him the minute he first dressed up.


Damn straight...You know how much girls clothes cost?

The cost of shoes alone are worth a beatdown :cool:

[Larry]

Coulda been worse.

There coulda been a girl there wearing the same dress.

[Seabee1973]

No, I remember the days when we didn't know right and wrong, and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

Y'See, Sarge, physically assaulting someone because you think he dresses (no pun intended) funny? That's what's called "wrong".

A guy wearing a a dress is "wrong"

[twa]

Coulda been worse.

There coulda been a girl there wearing the same dress.

Yeah, imagine how she would feel if he looked better in it.

Someone could be emotionaly scarred for life. ;)

[Who Del]

It is my right to be an Eagle fan. And it is your right to be a Redskins fan. You're just wrong thats all.

[Seabee1973]

The difference is I understand that people have varying degrees of what they feel is right and wrong and to unilaterally make one interpretation of that the rule is arrogant at best. That's my biggest problem with the current conservative movement and it's evangelical undertones. Who the hell made them the keeper of the definition of right and wrong?

Well obvoisly not the same peple that told liberals to go to court and sue to get everything changed

[Sarge]

Coulda been worse.

There coulda been a girl there wearing the same dress.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[glikster04]

i disagree that he was turned away...but that is just wrong...

:logo:

[Seabee1973]

Can you explain what, exactly, he did wrong?

wearing a dress?

[Patrick Evidente]

wearing a dress?

The Romans, Greeks and Celts wore skirts.

[Larry]

Yeah, imagine how she would feel if he looked better in it.

Someone could be emotionaly scarred for life. ;)

Like her date.

[Seabee1973]

No, but you've said that being a "girlyman" is wrong, and you said that there are more "girlymen" around because there aren't enough bigots. Therefore according to your logic, its okay to be a bigot.


instead of bigot maybe the word people with morals would be a better choice?

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

This is such a stupid debate -- the kid had every right to enjoy his own prom. Let's stop acting like the event took place in a phone booth and no one who didn't want to see him couldn't avoid him. And I think it's hilarious reading some of these self-righteous comments, meanwhile half of the couples are practically making babies on the dance floor. But they're straight, so I guess it's okay.

[Seabee1973]

Did he disrupt the school year?

iom sure a few kids failed bnecause they could not stand to be in the class weith him so the skipped that class

[twa]

instead of bigot maybe the word people with morals would be a better choice?

Oh ,now you go bringing in that ole conservative ,evangelical thing...pooh :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

instead of bigot maybe the word people with morals would be a better choice?

Blow it off. "BIGOT" is a leftist code word to people that know right and wrong and have morals

[Seabee1973]

No, its weird

no wrong Weird is thinking about it Doing it is wrong

[Sarge]

no wrong Weird is thinking about it Doing it is wrong

Excellent :notworthy

[Seabee1973]

This is such a stupid debate -- the kid had every right to enjoy his own prom. Let's stop acting like the event took place in a phone booth and no one who didn't want to see him couldn't avoid him. And I think it's hilarious reading some of these self-righteous comments, meanwhile half of the couples are practically making babies on the dance floor. But they're straight, so I guess it's okay.

who said making babies was ok unless they are married?

[jrockster21]

A guy wearing a a dress is "wrong"...

...And you are entitled to that "opinion."



The Romans, Greeks and Celts wore skirts.

Native Hawaiian men still wear Sarong-type wraps that look like skirts. Hey Seabee, why don't you go tell one of them that they're wrong. When you get out of the hospital 6 months later, then tell me how you feel. ;)

[jrockster21]

Blow it off. "BIGOT" is a leftist code word to people that know right and wrong and have morals

Just like segragationists knew right and wrong? :rolleyes:



no wrong Weird is thinking about it Doing it is wrong

Maybe you should have paid more attention to your studies in high-school than what other dudes were wearing...just sayin'...

[Patrick Evidente]

Maybe you should have paid more attention to your studies in high-school than what other dudes were wearing...just sayin'...

lol
pwnt

[#98QBKiller]

No, its weird



Exactly. Not wrong, just weird.

[#98QBKiller]

...And you are entitled to that "opinion."




Native Hawaiian men still wear Sarong-type wraps that look like skirts. Hey Seabee, why don't you go tell one of them that they're wrong. When you get out of the hospital 6 months later, then tell me how you feel. ;)



Hey man, what's melissa's last name? (The one in your sig)

[BlueTalon]

Private school? They can do what they want.
Public school? They shouldn't have turned him away.
I'll be all for that line of reasoning when vouchers are available for parents to apply toward private schools, and get their children the heck out of public schools if they so choose.

[Larry]

Blow it off. "BIGOT" is a leftist code word to people that know right and wrong and have morals

No, it's a leftist code word for people who claim that their morals make them assault people.

[Patrick Evidente]

Exactly. Not wrong, just weird.

and ghey

[s0crates]

Speaking of men in dresses:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f170/s0crates/hogphotoDbig.jpg

I have no problem with it.

[Sarge]

No, it's a leftist code word for people who claim that their morals make them assault people.

No, it's thrown out there in the hope that, when showing the world you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, you can get someone else to back off the arguement.

It's on page 1 of the leftist handbook, right before the Chapter on the ACLU and lawsuits

[Larry]

"Does this dress make me look fat?"

[Sarge]

Just like segragationists knew right and wrong? :rolleyes:




Maybe you should have paid more attention to your studies in high-school than what other dudes were wearing...just sayin'...

IN this case, apples and oranges. Of course the left and the homosexuals want everyone to associate the civil rights movement with the radical gay rights movement

And I look forward to you wearing your skirt around Honolulu. I'd suggest East Waikiki

[skinfan13]

Please explain to me how it affects anyone else at that prom that he wore a dress. um if i went to my prom and saw a GUY wearing a dress, i would give him an education as to what a man should wear and do. wearing dresses disrespects yourself and women in general, and theres something wrong with trying to imitate the oposite gender. period.

[s0crates]

I would like to see a hogette at the prom.

[Larry]

No, it's thrown out there in the hope that, when showing the world you have no idea of the difference between right and wrong, you can get someone else to back off the arguement.

It's on page 1 of the leftist handbook, right before the Chapter on the ACLU and lawsuits

Y'know, for somebody who's been defending assault for six pages now, you sure do seem to have this fixation with claiming that everybody in the world (who is opposed to assault) "doesn't know right from wrong".

What's next? "God told he to assault them?"

Is that in the "conservative" handbook? "Assault is OK, because the unbelievers don't have as fine a sense of morals as you do?"

[s0crates]

. . . or should we kick their asses too?

[s0crates]

Y'know, for somebody who's been defending assault for six pages now, you sure do seem to have this fixation with claiming that everybody in the world (who is opposed to assault) "doesn't know right from wrong".

What's next? "God told he to assault them?"

Is that in the "conservative" handbook? "Assault is OK, because the unbelievers don't have as fine a sense of morals as you do?"Sounds like one of those Saudi textbooks.;)

[#98QBKiller]

Speaking of men in dresses:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f170/s0crates/hogphotoDbig.jpg

I have no problem with it.




I think someone's just been owned...:cheers:

[Patrick Evidente]

um if i went to my prom and saw a GUY wearing a dress, i would give him an education as to what a man should wear and do. wearing dresses disrespects yourself and women in general, and theres something wrong with trying to imitate the oposite gender. period.

We live in a freakin' FREE COUNTRY. Let him, I mean her, do whatever she wants. If you don't like it, DON"T LOOK AT THEM.

[Sarge]

um if i went to my prom and saw a GUY wearing a dress, i would give him an education as to what a man should wear and do. wearing dresses disrespects yourself and women in general, and theres something wrong with trying to imitate the oposite gender. period.

Watch out young man, you're going to fall in the "BIGOT" catagory with talk like that.

Oh, but that's right. You're going to be one of those brutish, knuckle dragging Marines.

Don't worry, the left supports the military :rolleyes:

[Larry]

um if i went to my prom and saw a GUY wearing a dress, i would give him an education as to what a man should wear and do. wearing dresses disrespects yourself and women in general, and theres something wrong with trying to imitate the oposite gender. period.

At last! A second believer in the Divine Right of Assault. (That is what you mean by "give him an education as to what a man should do", isn't it? Aparantly "what a man should do" is to assault anybody he doesn't like, right?)

[Sarge]

Y'know, for somebody who's been defending assault for six pages now, you sure do seem to have this fixation with claiming that everybody in the world (who is opposed to assault) "doesn't know right from wrong".

What's next? "God told he to assault them?"

Is that in the "conservative" handbook? "Assault is OK, because the unbelievers don't have as fine a sense of morals as you do?"

If you'll note, nowhere did I ever say "I" would kick his ass.

BUt hey, it gave you and JRock the chance to throw out the "BIGOT" word, so I know you all feel better now ;)

[Patrick Evidente]

Speaking of men in dresses:

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f170/s0crates/hogphotoDbig.jpg

I have no problem with it.

Hogettes > Ladyboy

[Larry]

If you'll note, nowhere did I ever say "I" would kick his ass.

BUt hey, it gave you and JRock the chance to throw out the "BIGOT" word, so I know you all feel better now ;)

No, you simply endorsed it.

And still are. (Which is why this thread didn't die 5 pages ago.)

Eff it. I'm outta here.

[Patrick Evidente]

Watch out, you're going to fall in the "BIGOT" catagory with talk like that.

Oh, but that's right. You're going to be one of those brutish, knuckle dragging Marines.

Don't worry, the left supports the military

I didn't know a man wearing a dress can make a couple of marines blush.

[Sarge]

At last! A second believer in the Divine Right of Assault. (That is what you mean by "give him an education as to what a man should do", isn't it? Aparantly "what a man should do" is to assault anybody he doesn't like, right?)

A man should be a man, and help those that can't seem to find their balls be a man as well.

God help this country if we ever really have another WWII type event. Half the "men" on the left in this country will tuck tail and head for Canada. Another 20% will be on Ridilin and be unable to fight and the girlymen will try to get knocked up to get out of service. That'll leave about 10% of the male population to fight for all your rights and freedoms

[Sarge]

No, you simply endorsed it.

And still are. (Which is why this thread didn't die 5 pages ago.)

Eff it. I'm outta here.

A good Patton smacking never hurt anyone ;)

[skinfan13]

At last! A second believer in the Divine Right of Assault. (That is what you mean by "give him an education as to what a man should do", isn't it? Aparantly "what a man should do" is to assault anybody he doesn't like, right?) dont asume anything larry... i would definatly ask him why he is wearing a dress, maybe make fun of him, if hes an ass about it then maybe punch him, but i dont go around beating up people because they're diffrent, trust me if that were the case many people would be very hurt in my general area:)

[skinfan13]

Watch out young man, you're going to fall in the "BIGOT" catagory with talk like that.

Oh, but that's right. You're going to be one of those brutish, knuckle dragging Marines.

Don't worry, the left supports the military :rolleyes::D :D :D well then im a "bigot". thats us the "shoot first, ask questions later" bunch:silly:

if the left supports us sarge then i have an ass made of feathers!

[skinfan13]

I didn't know a man wearing a dress can make a couple of marines blush. hold up there son, that kind of language doesnt need to be spoken round these parts, a marine who see's a man in a dress would imediately start to laugh, proceeed to ask him "wtf?" and just tell him, "thanks for the laugh, normaly id beat up people like you, but hell, you made my day queer!"

[jrockster21]

Hey man, what's melissa's last name? (The one in your sig)


Melissa "jrockster rocks my world" Theuriau.

[Sarge]

hold up there son, that kind of language doesnt need to be spoken round these parts, a marine who see's a man in a dress would imediately start to laugh, proceeed to ask him "wtf?" and just tell him, "thanks for the laugh, normaly id beat up people like you, but hell, you made my day queer!"

You said "Queer" :silly: :laugh: :laugh:

[jrockster21]

um if i went to my prom and saw a GUY wearing a dress, i would give him an education as to what a man should wear and do. wearing dresses disrespects yourself and women in general, and theres something wrong with trying to imitate the oposite gender. period.


How the hell does that disrespect women???? :laugh:

[jrockster21]

hold up there son, that kind of language doesnt need to be spoken round these parts, a marine who see's a man in a dress would imediately start to laugh, proceeed to ask him "wtf?" and just tell him, "thanks for the laugh, normaly id beat up people like you, but hell, you made my day queer!"


Westbrook is a marine, and he wears dresses...

[Who Del]

I didn't even think of the Hoggettes. Thats hilarious.

Flashback to the Wannabe Gotti Boys thread:

Anyone remember that Giants fan who said: "You guys are calling these people gay when your fans dress up like pigs in dresses? LMAO."

I was rollen. He did have a point.

[Patrick Evidente]

hold up there son, that kind of language doesnt need to be spoken round these parts, a marine who see's a man in a dress would imediately start to laugh, proceeed to ask him "wtf?" and just tell him, "thanks for the laugh, normaly id beat up people like you, but hell, you made my day queer!"

No wonder so many Marines want to be stationed in Thailand.

[#98QBKiller]

Melissa "jrockster rocks my world" Theuriau.



Damn. Everytime I google Melissa "jrockster rocks my world" Theuriau it says you're dreaming and need to wake up...;)

[Sarge]

Westbrook is a marine, and he wears dresses...

He's an Iggle fan. They all wear dresses

[Sarge]

No wonder so many Marines want to be stationed in Thailand.

He/she capital of the world. Also home of some of the finest looking women on the planet

[#98QBKiller]

He's an Iggle fan. They all wear dresses



Damn Sarge....we finally agree on something.

[Sarge]

Damn. Everytime I google Melissa "jrockster rocks my world" Theuriau it says you're dreaming and need to wake up...;)

I keep coming up with this

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/5/50/Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg/180px-Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg

[Who Del]

He's an Iggle fan. They all wear dresses

Didn't you see that hogettes picture? I've been to probably 50 plus Eagle games and I've never seen that :(

[hu-bison-skinsfan]

OK, so I read most of these posts and I must agree that many of the comments are self-righteous -- this is normal, this is not, this is right, this is wrong...and what's with the violence? I'm not sure why its acceptable for the entire school year but not @ the prom. I don't like to see boys with dresses on but then again, I wouldn't spend more than a few seconds giving a darn, either.

We had girls attend our prom as a couple -- one with a tux, the other in a dress. No one cared. And as far as I know, 14 years later it hasn't caught on. No worries!

[Sarge]

Damn Sarge....we finally agree on something.

:D :cheers:

[#98QBKiller]

I keep coming up with this

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/5/50/Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg/180px-Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg




:laugh: :laugh: That came up on the google image search.

[Johnny Punani2]

Gary, Indiana?

Was it Michael Jackson?

[Sarge]

Gary, Indiana?

Was it Michael Jackson?

You Micael Jackson bigot :laugh:

[jrockster21]

I keep coming up with this

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/5/50/Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg/180px-Eric_estrada_you%5C%27re_a_homo.jpg


Yeah, but that's what you get whenever you google anything. Google knows all....

[Kilmer17]

Im wondering how fast those supporting this kid would rush to his defense if he was wearing a dress with the phrase "kill all fags" on it?

The school was absolutely correct in not allowing him. As they would have been right for not letting a guy in wearing a tee shirt. Or a girl in a too short miniskirt.

Schools are not free speech and free expression zones. They have limits, rules, regulations and codes that are enforced to keep the peace and avoid confrontaition and distraction.

My school banned JAMS shorts. We were outraged at the time. Now Im just thankful that my yearbooks dont have pictures of me wearing them.

[Patrick Evidente]

He/she capital of the world. Also home of some of the finest looking women on the planet

Exactly. For the Marines, there is a plethora of fine looking ladyboys to ogle at, and maybe get lucky with.

[gchwood]

After reading the article the biggest problem is that they said it is against the dress code


Sylvester Rowan, assistant to Gary Schools Superintendent Mary Steele, said school policy bans males from wearing dresses. Excluding Logan from prom was based on "the dress code, not the student's homosexuality. That's his personal preference."

However he said that he dressed like a girl everyday



Logan said he had spent years defining and exploring his sexuality. This year, he took a major step by dressing as a female every day, wearing makeup, a hair weave, nails and girls' fitted jeans to school

If they are going to enforce the dress code than do it all the time not just when you want to. If the dress code prohibits boys from wearing girls cloths, fine. But enforce it all the time.

I think it is nasty that a guy would want to dress like a girl, but the administration seems to be trying to serve themselves when they want.

[Destino]

He's a male attending a formal event with a dress code. He wasn't hurting anyone but he violated the dress code so he didn't get in. That's how it works. For me this has nothing to do with hating the kid for being who he is. Rules are rules and that's a lesson worth learning early in life.

[Kilmer17]

After reading the article the biggest problem is that they said it is against the dress code



However he said that he dressed like a girl everyday



If they are going to enforce the dress code than do it all the time not just when you want to. If the dress code prohibits boys from wearing girls cloths, fine. But enforce it all the time.

I think it is nasty that a guy would want to dress like a girl, but the administration seems to be trying to serve themselves when they want.


Schools can have different dress codes for different events.

We were allowed to wear shorts (but not JAMS) and tee shirts to school, but Prom and other dances were minimum jacket and tie events.

[wskin44]

God help this country if we ever really have another WWII type event. Half the "men" on the left in this country will tuck tail and head for Canada. Another 20% will be on Ridilin and be unable to fight and the girlymen will try to get knocked up to get out of service. That'll leave about 10% of the male population to fight for all your rights and freedoms

Yup. 10% will risk their lives and 100% get to vote for what kind of country they want to live in. Stop your whining and get over it.

[stevenaa]

He's a male attending a formal event with a dress code. He wasn't hurting anyone but he violated the dress code so he didn't get in. That's how it works. For me this has nothing to do with hating the kid for being who he is. Rules are rules and that's a lesson worth learning early in life.


Don't throw logic into the debate, Des. You'll just ruin the fun. :)

[Larry]

God help this country if we ever really have another WWII type event. Half the "men" on the left in this country will tuck tail and head for Canada. Another 20% will be on Ridilin and be unable to fight and the girlymen will try to get knocked up to get out of service. That'll leave about 10% of the male population to fight for all your rights and freedoms

Uh, Sarge,

"Girlymen" can't "get knocked up".

That's one of the Officially Approved Talking Points Why Discrimination Is Good: "They can't have kids (therefore apartheid is good)."

[MissU28]

When I was in high school we had a bomb scare and the entire school was sitting in the beachers of the football stadium and all of a sudden two dudes walked to the middle of the football field and started making out. A couple lacrosse players chased them and beat them up for it, smashing them into the fence. They lost their scholarships to play lacrosse at the college they were at, and the incident sparked a whole "gay crusade" theme at the school the next day, with kids wearing pink triangles around to show that they supported it all.

My opinion? Those dudes were asking for it. Albeit right or wrong to beat someone up for doing things like that, they knew what the consequences were and the same thing goes for this kid trying to wear a dress to the prom. Don't try and force "abnormal" behavior on the rest of the population. Yes, yes, who's to say what's normal, but yes, it is abnormal for a dude to be wearing a dress.

[Sarge]

Uh, Sarge,

"Girlymen" can't "get knocked up".



BUt they would probably like to try

[Sarge]

Yup. 10% will risk their lives and 100% get to vote for what kind of country they want to live in. Stop your whining and get over it.

Funny, 10% have to do all the heavy lifting.

Perhaps if we had more men around and quit acting like being a drag queen is "normal", we'd have more men to fight.

But you don't have to worry about that do you? Because they'll always be someone else around to do the lifting

[Larry]

BUt they would probably like to try

Now, Sarge,

Having sex before going into the service is an ancient, respected American tradition. (After going into the service, too.)

(Or so I've heard.)

[Patrick Evidente]

Funny, 10% have to do all the heavy lifting.



What exactly is that "heavy lifting?"

[Sarge]

What exactly is that "heavy lifting?"

Serving the country, dying if necessary to protect the rights of fruits. Most of the left will be absent when it comes to that

[wskin44]

A real man would take this young man under his wing and try to give him some guidance, friendship and possibly professional help. Every one of you who condone violence towards a youth with such obvious problems is a wimp full of insecurities and has many more problems than he does.

[AJ_Skins]

People like this, who have problems, should not be assaulted, abused or harrassed. They also should not be told that they are perfectly normal and everything's fine, any more than you help an alcoholic by telling them to go ahead and keep drinking if it makes them feel better.

[Sarge]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hr/thumb/e/e0/John_Wayne.jpg/180px-John_Wayne.jpg

John Wayne would be embarrassed by most of the responses in this thread :doh:

[Patrick Evidente]

Serving the country, dying if necessary to protect the rights of fruits. Most of the left will be absent when it comes to that

Kinda like what Dubya did?:laugh:

[wskin44]

Kinda like what Dubya did?:laugh:

Dubya IS a leftist. Hadn't you noticed?

[Sarge]

Kinda like what Dubya did?:laugh:

Kinda like what I've been doing since you were two ;)

[wskin44]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/hr/thumb/e/e0/John_Wayne.jpg/180px-John_Wayne.jpg

John Wayne would be embarrassed by most of the responses in this thread :doh:

Word is he's embarrassed to death.

[Sarge]

Word is he's embarrassed to death.

You're on a roll today :laugh:

[Destino]

When I was in high school we had a bomb scare and the entire school was sitting in the beachers of the football stadium and all of a sudden two dudes walked to the middle of the football field and started making out. A couple lacrosse players chased them and beat them up for it, smashing them into the fence. They lost their scholarships to play lacrosse at the college they were at, and the incident sparked a whole "gay crusade" theme at the school the next day, with kids wearing pink triangles around to show that they supported it all.

My opinion? Those dudes were asking for it. Albeit right or wrong to beat someone up for doing things like that, they knew what the consequences were and the same thing goes for this kid trying to wear a dress to the prom. Don't try and force "abnormal" behavior on the rest of the population. Yes, yes, who's to say what's normal, but yes, it is abnormal for a dude to be wearing a dress.
The only person that forced anything on anyone in your example are those two stupid thugs that decided for themselves that their opinion was so right that they could beat people for acting differently. I'm glad they lost their scholarships and they should have sat in a jail cell and lived the rest of their lives explaining their criminal record to potential employers. It is absolutely outrageous that those little criminals felt that they could physically assault people because their behavior was offensive. They smashed him into a fence in front of the entire school - imagine what these criminals would do when no one is looking?

Those two gay kids should have known better then to use that moment to make a statement. They should have faced suspension or whatever the school had set as a punishment for that kind of behavior. Being assaulted by two thugs however was not reasonable, they were not asking for it, and there is no question as to it being "right or wrong". Wrong, completely.

Where the hell did this idea that you have the right never to be exposed to anything offensive come from? There is no such right!

[Patrick Evidente]

Dubya IS a leftist. Hadn't you noticed?

Hitler was too.:silly:

[Sarge]

The only person that forced anything on anyone in your example are those two stupid thugs that decided for themselves that their opinion was so right that they could beat people for acting differently. I'm glad they lost their scholarships and they should have sat in a jail cell and lived the rest of their lives explaining their criminal record to potential employers. It is absolutely outrageous that those little criminals felt that they could physically assault people because their behavior was offensive. They smashed him into a fence in front of the entire school - imagine what these criminals would do when no one is looking?

Those two gay kids should have known better then to use that moment to make a statement. They should have faced suspension or whatever the school had set as a punishment for that kind of behavior. Being assaulted by two thugs however was not reasonable, they were not asking for it, and there is no question as to it being "right or wrong". Wrong, completely.

"Punishment"? What is this word "punishment" in schools today?

I'll bet after their ass beatings, the little sissies won't pull that stunt again.

However, had they been "Punished" by the school, they'd be right back out at the 50 yard line

[zoony]

People like this, who have problems, should not be assaulted, abused or harrassed. They also should not be told that they are perfectly normal and everything's fine, any more than you help an alcoholic by telling them to go ahead and keep drinking if it makes them feel better.

I agree with AJ. (gasp)

[Destino]

"Punishment"? What is this word "punishment" in schools today?

I'll bet after their ass beatings, the little sissies won't pull that stunt again.

However, had they been "Punished" by the school, they'd be right back out at the 50 yard lineSarge's brand of militant political correctness. Beat everyone up that offends you. :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

Sarge's brand of militant political correctness. Beat everyone up that offends you. :rolleyes:

You forgot "bigot" too ;)

[Sarge]

Where the hell did this idea that you have the right never to be exposed to anything offensive come from? There is no such right!


AS you said, there is no right.

But there's this thing called "decency"

Wonder what ever happened to that?

[DCsportsfan53]

AS you said, there is no right.

But there's this thing called "decency"

Wonder what ever happened to that?

Agreed, what ever happened to people who were decent enough (and self confident enough) to not flip out over the actions or appearances of someone else? People secure enough in their sexuality to not be afraid of catching the gay if two guys hold hands, what ever happened to them? **** it, grab your guns, lets teach these fags a lesson :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

Agreed, what ever happened to people who were decent enough (and self confident enough) to not flip out over the actions or appearances of someone else? People secure enough in their sexuality to not be afraid of catching the gay if two guys hold hands, what ever happened to them? **** it, grab your guns, lets teach these fags a lesson :rolleyes:

Decent people never had to worry about it becasue you didn't have homosexuals, drag queens etc flaunting around in public. Even the homosexuals had the decency to keep their behavior out of the public spotlight

[DCsportsfan53]

Decent people never had to worry about it becasue you didn't have homosexuals, drag queens etc flaunting around in public. Even the homosexuals had the decency to keep their behavior out of the public spotlight

Obviously, we're going to disagree on this one but I don't think there's anything indecent about homosexuality and it's stupid to think they should just hide it so that you won't be offended.

[Destino]

Decent people never had to worry about it becasue you didn't have homosexuals, drag queens etc flaunting around in public. Even the homosexuals had the decency to keep their behavior out of the public spotlight
Decent people were the ones fighting for change during the good ol days. Homosexuals were the least of the problems back in the good ol days (whenever the hell that was). Pick a decade and I'll shower you with examples of institutional racism and sexism. A legal system that slapped men on the wrist for beating their wives and denied raping your wife was even possible.

Every time period has it's good and bad qualities.

[Sarge]

Obviously, we're going to disagree on this one but I don't think there's anything indecent about homosexuality and it's stupid to think they should just hide it so that you won't be offended.

Hey, everyone else has to adjust their behaviors when people are offended.

It offends me that the ACLU doesn't allow prayer in school

Gay pride parades offend me. Gay cirriculm in in kindergarten offends me.

There's a whole list of things that offends me, but I just have to lump it, don't I?

OTOH, if someone offends a homosexual, well it's Federal hate crime :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

Decent people were the ones fighting for change during the good ol days. Homosexuals were the least of the problems back in the good ol days (whenever the hell that was).



Because, like I said, they kept their deviant behaviors out of the public spotlight. Now they have their own TV channel and school cirriculm

[Predicto]

Decent people never had to worry about it becasue you didn't have homosexuals, drag queens etc flaunting around in public. Even the homosexuals had the decency to keep their behavior out of the public spotlight

And if they got caught we decent people kicked the snot out of them (because we were decent and it was just common decency).

[Predicto]

My opinion? Those dudes were asking for it. Albeit right or wrong to beat someone up for doing things like that, they knew what the consequences were ....

Wow. The date rape defense - "She was asking for it - did you see how she was dressed?" Never thought I would see a woman throw that one out there.

You busy Saturday night? :)

[DCsportsfan53]

Hey, everyone else has to adjust their behaviors when people are offended.

It offends me that the ACLU doesn't allow prayer in school

Gay pride parades offend me. Gay cirriculm in in kindergarten offends me.

There's a whole list of things that offends me, but I just have to lump it, don't I?

OTOH, if someone offends a homosexual, well it's Federal hate crime :rolleyes:

Well, I don't agree with that. If you've read my posts before you know that I believe political correctness is leading us down a dangerous path, one where freedom of speech is being replaced by freedom form being offended. It's the people who's views are the most offensive that we need to most adimant about defending because when you don't free speech suffers. To me, if you want to heckle homosexuals (in a non-physical manner) that's fine by me. You've got a right not to like them. You don't have the right to decide what they can or can't do or where they can or can't do it. And you don't have the right to beat their ass if you don't like what they're doing. You'll find I'm not one that's fits into your neat little definition of a loony liberal. I'll fight to defend your right to be a bigot just as much as I'll fight for a gay man's right to take it in the pooper if he feels like it. It's a two way street. The things that offend you the most are the things that most need to have their freedom of expression protected.

[Predicto]

Well, I don't agree with that. If you've read my posts before you know that I believe political correctness is leading us down a dangerous path, one where freedom of speech is being replaced by freedom form being offended. It's the people who's views are the most offensive that we need to most adimant about defending because when you don't free speech suffers. To me, if you want to heckle homosexuals (in a non-physical manner) that's fine by me. You've got a right not to like them. You don't have the right to decide what they can or can't do or where they can or can't do it. And you don't have the right to beat their ass if you don't like what they're doing. You'll find I'm not one that's fits into your neat little definition of a loony liberal. I'll fight to defend your right to be a bigot just as much as I'll fight for a gay man's right to take it in the pooper if he feels like it. It's a two way street. The things that offend you the most are the things that most need to have their freedom of expression protected.

Spoken like... well... spoken like the ACLU or something. :D

[Kilmer17]

The distinction that needs to remain in the forefront of this debate is that this was a SCHOOL event.

If a guy wants to wear a dress to a public event, NOBODY has the right to stop him.

In this case though, the scholl has not only the right, but the responsibility to stop him.

[Sarge]

Well, I don't agree with that. If you've read my posts before you know that I believe political correctness is leading us down a dangerous path, one where freedom of speech is being replaced by freedom form being offended. It's the people who's views are the most offensive that we need to most adimant about defending because when you don't free speech suffers. To me, if you want to heckle homosexuals (in a non-physical manner) that's fine by me. You've got a right not to like them. You don't have the right to decide what they can or can't do or where they can or can't do it. And you don't have the right to beat their ass if you don't like what they're doing. You'll find I'm not one that's fits into your neat little definition of a loony liberal. I'll fight to defend your right to be a bigot just as much as I'll fight for a gay man's right to take it in the pooper if he feels like it. It's a two way street. The things that offend you the most are the things that most need to have their freedom of expression protected.

My point is, the country has lost it's sense of right and wrong, decent and indecent.

One of my favoite anologies is TV. Look back at I Love Lucy. Lucy and Ricky weren't even shown in the same bed together.

Look at TV today. Enough said

Same with the morality of the country. Thirty years ago this kid would never, ever thoght of showing up in school like that.

Now it's "normal" because leftist have taught our kids that everyone's the same.

Everyone is not the same, as evidenced by the little girlyman wearing womens clothing.

Real men don't wear dresses. Nor do we want to be around and have to put up with "men" that do.

But as soon as you speak up, you're a bigot.

And that the sad world we live in.

[DCsportsfan53]

My point is, the country has lost it's sense of right and wrong, decent and indecent.

One of my favoite anologies is TV. Look back at I Love Lucy. Lucy and Ricky weren't even shown in the same bed together.

Look at TV today. Enough said

Same with the morality of the country. Thirty years ago this kid would never, ever thoght of showing up in school like that.

Now it's "normal" because leftist have taught our kids that everyone's the same.

Everyone is not the same, as evidenced by the little girlyman wearing womens clothing.

Real men don't wear dresses. Nor do we want to be around and have to put up with "men" that do.

But as soon as you speak up, you're a bigot.

And that the sad world we live in.

Right and wrong, decent and indecent, that's not for you to decide for other people. That's for parents and individuals to decide. That's what makes this a free country. Like I said, I'm all for you disliking homosexuals. That's your opinion and you're right, just as they have a right to be girlymen or gay. I hear what you're saying about not being able to speak your mind and I agree 100%. Everyone is not the same, everyone is not normal, that's why it's ridiculous to try and limit a person's rights because of it.

What I'm saying is, I disagree on principle with just about everything you believe in (except the Redskins, of course :) ). However, I would never ever want your ability to express those opinions to be limited and I would hope others feel the same way. All I'm saying is, afford those that aren't "normal" that same courtesy which you expect. Just because you think homosexuality is wrong doesn't make it so. Just because I don't doesn't make it so. Worry about yourself, if someone wants to parade around in a dress why do you care? It's got nothing to do with you.

[Predicto]

Remember the good old days, when we had right and wrong and someone like this fruit would have been teased mercilessly and had his ass kicked?

And there is the sad little world we used to live in.

[Seabee1973]

IN this case, apples and oranges. Of course the left and the homosexuals want everyone to associate the civil rights movement with the radical gay rights movement

And I look forward to you wearing your skirt around Honolulu. I'd suggest East Waikiki

Wait till he is raped then see if his mind changes

[Sarge]

if someone wants to parade around in a dress why do you care? It's got nothing to do with you.

If I see it, it has somethig to do with me.

If my kids are exposed to the deviants in school, it has somethig to do with me.

If my kids are told it's "OK" for a "guy" to wear a dress by school officials, it has something to do with me.

[MissU28]

Wow. The date rape defense - "She was asking for it - did you see how she was dressed?" Never thought I would see a woman throw that one out there.

You busy Saturday night? :)


not the same thing... they knew what they were doing, they did it for the sole purpose to cause a scene...what did they expect would happen??? Notice I never said it was RIGHT, but that is how people think. You have to expect that people will do things like that. If you put yourself out there and don't expect any consequences.... your fault.

[Sarge]

And there is the sad little world we used to live in.

Yeah, it's so much worse than the deviant, pervert run world we live in now

[Sarge]

Wait till he is raped then see if his mind changes

In that part of town there's a good chance :)

[Sarge]

Right and wrong, decent and indecent, that's not for you to decide for other people.

Society as a whole has to have some sort of boundries of decency and right and wrong. We used to have that, but not anymore.

I was force to watch American Idols last night by Mrs Sarge, and they had on some foul mouthed, crack hoe looking girl that they had to bleep out every third thing she said. WHat the hell was that?

Just a small example of the state of things today. She would have never made it on TV even 15 years ago.

Again, I know this goes against the leftist agenda of "If it feels good, do it" :rolleyes:

[DCsportsfan53]

If I see it, it has somethig to do with me.

If my kids are exposed to the deviants in school, it has somethig to do with me.

If my kids are told it's "OK" for a "guy" to wear a dress by school officials, it has something to do with me.

Why, if you've raised your kid "right" he'll know better than to think homosexuality is ok, right? Why shelter your kids from what they're going to experience in the real world?

And just for arguements sake, what if a Native American was offended by you wearing your marine uniform around town because US military erradicated his people? You wouldn't give a ****, and you shouldn't. This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED. WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. Therefore, if a man wants to dress like a girl in public there's nothing you can do about it and rightfully so. If I see it it has something to do with me, come on. I thought you "cons" hated this PC crap. Instead, you're going to try and tell people how they can dress so they don't offend you. Political correctness and hypocrisy at it's finest.

[Sarge]

not the same thing... they knew what they were doing, they did it for the sole purpose to cause a scene...what did they expect would happen??? Notice I never said it was RIGHT, but that is how people think. You have to expect that people will do things like that. If you put yourself out there and don't expect any consequences.... your fault.

ANother bigot joins the fray :laugh:

[SKINZFAN4EVER]

Yep.

He was wearing a gown.

Dress Wearing Male Student (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/052506dnnatpromdress.1b7211b5.html)

Male student wearing dress denied entrance to prom

05:51 PM CDT on Wednesday, May 24, 2006
Associated Press



GARY, Ind. – A male student who has worn women's clothes to school all year was turned away from his high school prom because he was wearing a dress.

Kevin Logan, 18, went to the West Side High School prom on Friday in a slinky fuchsia gown and heels. He believes officials discriminated against him by not allowing him inside.

"I have no formal pictures, no memories, nothing. You only have one prom," he said.

*** The remainder of the article is found with the link.


I am not sure I could handle one of my male students coming to prom in a long flowing gown.

Blondie


GET BACK IN THE CLOSET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Predicto]

not the same thing... they knew what they were doing, they did it for the sole purpose to cause a scene...what did they expect would happen??? Notice I never said it was RIGHT, but that is how people think. You have to expect that people will do things like that. If you put yourself out there and don't expect any consequences.... your fault.

Like I said, she was wearing a short skirt and flirting with me and came back to my place for a drink. She had to expect that I would do something like that. If you put yourself out there and don't expect to get raped... your fault. :)

[DCsportsfan53]

Society as a whole has to have some sort of boundries of decency and right and wrong. We used to have that, but not anymore.

I was force to watch American Idols last night by Mrs Sarge, and they had on some foul mouthed, crack hoe looking girl that they had to bleep out every third thing she said. WHat the hell was that?

Just a small example of the state of things today. She would have never made it on TV even 15 years ago.

Again, I know this goes against the leftist agenda of "If it feels good, do it" :rolleyes:

Obviously, you should've smacked Mrs Sarge around for offending your sense of deceney by making you watch it, same as the girly man who shows up to school in a dress :rolleyes: . Not everybody has the same sense of right and wrong as you, they should be able to decide for themselves if they aren't harming others (note: harming is COMPLETELY different from offending). Why is that so hard to understand and accept? Are you that convinced that you're view of the world is the only reasonable and acceptable one?

[Sarge]

Why, if you've raised your kid "right" he'll know better than to think homosexuality is ok, right? Why shelter your kids from what they're going to experience in the real world?

And just for arguements sake, what if a Native American was offended by you wearing your marine uniform around town because US military erradicated his people? You wouldn't give a ****, and you shouldn't. This is exactly the problem I'm talking about. YOU DON'T HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE OFFENDED. WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. Therefore, if a man wants to dress like a girl in public there's nothing you can do about it and rightfully so. If I see it it has something to do with me, come on. I thought you "cons" hated this PC crap. Instead, you're going to try and tell people how they can dress so they don't offend you. Political correctness and hypocrisy at it's finest.


First, I have an IQ over 30, so I'm not a jarhead ;)

Second, the Rmy wiped out the Indians, not the Marines

Third, I see exactly what you are saying.

Thing is, like I said, social decency used to be an unwritten rule. There were just things that were acceptable and unacceptable. Now, since everyone but a few of us seem ot have lost the compass that tells us right/wrong/, bad/good whatever, it needs to be brought out verbally

Unless you want to live like the Romans

[Predicto]

I was force to watch American Idols last night by Mrs Sarge, and they had on some foul mouthed, crack hoe looking girl that they had to bleep out every third thing she said. WHat the hell was that?




You should have kicked her ass.

[Seabee1973]

The only person that forced anything on anyone in your example are those two stupid thugs that decided for themselves that their opinion was so right that they could beat people for acting differently. I'm glad they lost their scholarships and they should have sat in a jail cell and lived the rest of their lives explaining their criminal record to potential employers. It is absolutely outrageous that those little criminals felt that they could physically assault people because their behavior was offensive. They smashed him into a fence in front of the entire school - imagine what these criminals would do when no one is looking?

Those two gay kids should have known better then to use that moment to make a statement. They should have faced suspension or whatever the school had set as a punishment for that kind of behavior. Being assaulted by two thugs however was not reasonable, they were not asking for it, and there is no question as to it being "right or wrong". Wrong, completely.

Where the hell did this idea that you have the right never to be exposed to anything offensive come from? There is no such right!



You are right it is wrong wrong on all accounts its just like the Mathew shepard story its wrong for him to be gay and it was wrong for those guys to kill him. but on the flip side where Mathew shepards killers got charged with a hate crime murder a similar instances in arkansas that never made national news and was just a real small story of some local paper there These 2 gay guys beat raped and killed a young boy under ten and pretty much got a slap on the wrist

[Seabee1973]

Obviously, we're going to disagree on this one but I don't think there's anything indecent about homosexuality and it's stupid to think they should just hide it so that you won't be offended.

so if 2 queers moved in next door to you and invited you over for dinner one night and started fondling and kissing each other in front of you during dinner that would bother you?

[Sarge]

You should have kicked her ass.

Mrs Sarge has brothers that are bigger than I am :laugh:

See, here's a perfect example. Sarge has to consider what's going to happen if he kicks Mrs Sarge's ass, just like that kid had to consider what would happen if he wore that dress to school back in the day.

If Sarge kicks Mrs Sarges ass, Sarge is going to be jumped by two angry brothers when he gets back to the mainland.

If Sarge just watches the stupid program and gets with the program, everything is cool

See how that works? ;)

[Predicto]

You are right it is wrong wrong on all accounts its just like the Mathew shepard story its wrong for him to be gay and it was wrong for those guys to kill him. but on the flip side where Mathew shepards killers got charged with a hate crime murder a similar instances in arkansas that never made national news and was just a real small story of some local paper there These 2 gay guys beat raped and killed a young boy under ten and pretty much got a slap on the wrist

Link please.

[Sarge]

And where the hell is Blondie, she started all of this:laugh:

Obviously another bigot

[Larry]

You are right it is wrong wrong on all accounts its just like the Mathew shepard story its wrong for him to be gay and it was wrong for those guys to kill him. but on the flip side where Mathew shepards killers got charged with a hate crime murder a similar instances in arkansas that never made national news and was just a real small story of some local paper there These 2 gay guys beat raped and killed a young boy under ten and pretty much got a slap on the wrist

Make that two requests for a link.

[Predicto]

so if 2 queers moved in next door to you and invited you over for dinner one night and started fondling and kissing each other in front of you during dinner that would bother you?

Of course it would bother me. It would be rude, and should be treated like any other rudeness - not with a physical assault.

Of course, 2 queers DO live right next door to me, and they would never do that. They are nice, easygoing guys, but they do not hide the fact that they are gay. Their dog and my dog are best buddies (I htink the dog is straight...)

[Seabee1973]

Well, I don't agree with that. If you've read my posts before you know that I believe political correctness is leading us down a dangerous path, one where freedom of speech is being replaced by freedom form being offended. It's the people who's views are the most offensive that we need to most adimant about defending because when you don't free speech suffers. To me, if you want to heckle homosexuals (in a non-physical manner) that's fine by me. You've got a right not to like them. You don't have the right to decide what they can or can't do or where they can or can't do it. And you don't have the right to beat their ass if you don't like what they're doing. You'll find I'm not one that's fits into your neat little definition of a loony liberal. I'll fight to defend your right to be a bigot just as much as I'll fight for a gay man's right to take it in the pooper if he feels like it. It's a two way street. The things that offend you the most are the things that most need to have their freedom of expression protected.

then why is the liberal left trying to sue to stop things> that is forcing other people to view your own viewpoint.

[Predicto]

Mrs Sarge has brothers that are bigger than I am :laugh:

See, here's a perfect example. Sarge has to consider what's going to happen if he kicks Mrs Sarge's ass, just like that kid had to consider what would happen if he wore that dress to school back in the day.

If Sarge kicks Mrs Sarges ass, Sarge is going to be jumped by two angry brothers when he gets back to the mainland.

If Sarge just watches the stupid program and gets with the program, everything is cool

See how that works? ;)

So if your wife doesn't have brothers, then it's ok to slap her around. Got it.

[zoony]

Of course, 2 queers DO live right next door to me, and they would never do that. They are nice, easygoing guys, but they do not hide the fact that they are gay. Their dog and my dog are best buddies (I htink the dog is straight...)


In my experience, eagle fans aren't easygoing. You got lucky.

...

[Sarge]

So if your wife doesn't have brothers, then it's ok to slap her around. Got it.

Nope. That's the way things are.

Just like the kid that came to prom dressed like a flamer. He knew there'd be consequences

[MissU28]

Like I said, she was wearing a short skirt and flirting with me and came back to my place for a drink. She had to expect that I would do something like that. If you put yourself out there and don't expect to get raped... your fault. :)


i just think people should be held responsible for their actions and not do stuff just to create havoc. If they do, they deserve whatever beatdown they get.

[Sarge]

i just think people should be held responsible for their actions and not do stuff just to create havoc. If they do, they deserve whatever beatdown they get.

Why you brute :laugh:

[Kilmer17]

The sad story of Jesse Dirkhising and the media silence about it.


http://www.covenantnews.com/dirkhising.htm

In fact, most of the few news stories about it focused on why this crime wasnt as bad as the Sheppard case because one was hate motivated, the other "sex" motivated.

[iheartskins]

i just think people should be held responsible for their actions and not do stuff just to create havoc. If they do, they deserve whatever beatdown they get.
Where do you draw the line betwen "creating havoc" and "being yourself"?

[Major Harris]

so if 2 queers moved in next door to you and invited you over for dinner one night and started fondling and kissing each other in front of you during dinner that would bother you?
so if 2 heteros invited you over for dinner and started fondling and kissing each other in front of you during dinner, that wouldn't bother you?

[Seabee1973]

Link please.

ill see if i can find one this happened about a year after the shepard incedent and the only way i knew about it was reading some magazine or book.

[Major Harris]

Where do you draw the line betwen "creating havoc" and "being yourself"?
that's a good question.

but i think one could argue that you can be yourself w/ out making out in front of a bunch of people.

[Sarge]

ill see if i can find one this happened about a year after the shepard incedent and the only way i knew about it was reading some magazine or book.

Kilmer found it

[The Evil Genius]

The sad story of Jesse Dirkhising and the media silence about it.


http://www.covenantnews.com/dirkhising.htm

In fact, most of the few news stories about it focused on why this crime wasnt as bad as the Sheppard case because one was hate motivated, the other "sex" motivated.

Do the stories actually focus on it not being as "bad"? Or just different from the Sheppard case?

[Larry]

These 2 gay guys beat raped and killed a young boy under ten and pretty much got a slap on the wrist


Most of the nation has not heard about two homosexual men who face the death penalty in Arkansas


Full Article (http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/3/232001b.asp)

On Wednesday, the jurors convicted 23-year-old Joshua Brown of rape, but were not able to resolve whether he was guilty of capital murder. Yesterday, they finally agreed to the lesser charge of first-degree murder. The case then entered the penalty phase, where there was relatively quick consensus that Brown should get 25 years for the rape conviction.

But by last evening, the jurors could not come to a unanimous decision on whether Brown should get a life term on the murder charge. In fact, according to press reports, only one of the jurors voted for the life sentence. The other 11 said 10-20 years would be sufficient.

According to the Northwest Arkansas News, the majority felt Dirkhising’s death was an accident, despite the fact they had heard testimony that the young boy had suffocated to death after being drugged, forcibly tied to a mattress, gagged with his own underwear, and repeatedly raped.


BENTONVILLE -- A Benton County judge Friday sentenced Joshua Macabe Brown to life in prison without parole

[Destino]

i just think people should be held responsible for their actions and not do stuff just to create havoc. If they do, they deserve whatever beatdown they get.That is why we have a legal system with laws and a school system with rules. They are the ones society has charged with holding people responsible. Also, since you are so big on responsibility, why weren't you advocating those two thugs being charged for their crimes? It certainly wasn't for lack of evidence, not with all those witnesses, and it would be impossible to argue what they did was legal.

I don't think this is about responsibility at all, I think it's bias. Some think gays are bad and should hide, and since they dared to break this moral code, they deserved to be attacked in front of the school. Had they been a black boy and a white girl making out and those two idiots beaten them for breaking that old taboo I think you would have been outraged at the criminals. Yet I bet it wouldn't be hard too find some people making the same argument you are making now. How dare they flaunt it like that, in front of all those people! They had it coming.

[Patrick Evidente]

Wait till he is raped then see if his mind changes

But then he will say, "See! I told you I'm a girl!"

[Sarge]

That is why we have a legal system with laws and a school system with rules. They are the ones society has charged with holding people responsible. Also, since you are so big on responsibility, why weren't you advocating those two thugs being charged for their crimes? It certainly wasn't for lack of evidence, not with all those witnesses, and it would be impossible to argue what they did was legal.

I don't think this is about responsibility at all, I think it's about your own bias. You think gays are bad and should hide, and since they dared to break this moral code of yours, they deserved to be beaten in front of the school. Had they been a black boy and a white girl making out and those two idiots beaten them for breaking that old taboo I think it would be different - yet I bet it wouldn't be hard to find some people making the same argument you are making now. How dare they flaunt it like that, in front of all those people! They had it coming.

Like I said way back, schools have been de-nutted by people like you. THere's nowhere near the disipline in school as there was years ago.

And please quit with the civil rights/gay rights analogy. It doesn't hold water, but I know it makes you libs feeeeeeeeel better

[Predicto]

Life in prison without the possibility of parole. Yep, a slap on the wrist.

[Seabee1973]

so if 2 heteros invited you over for dinner and started fondling and kissing each other in front of you during dinner, that wouldn't bother you?

nope its normal for a male and female to kiss and do that.

[Sarge]

they dared to break this moral code,


A

m o r a l

code.



What a concept. Kinda like the 10 Commandments prescribes? Kinda like what teaching about God and praying used to preach.

Too bad kids can't hear about that in school nowadays instead of being subjected to a homosexual agenda and/or fruits like this

[The Evil Genius]

And please quit with the civil rights/gay rights analogy. It doesn't hold water, but I know it makes you libs feeeeeeeeel better

Actually, it's a valid point. Of course, if you wanted to get more valid it would be akin to someone getting beat up because they wore a yarmulka or a Star of David necklace. That fits Sarge's belief system of people being able to choose to not be something.

[Seabee1973]

Link please.


Ill give 2 links one is from a right wing source and the other is from a gay site about the same murder

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14837

http://www.trailerparkshow.com/dirkhising2.html

http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/world/032801wo.htm



The middle one is the affidavit filed by the police. Of course the 13 yr old boy was never able to give his side of the story.

[AJ_Skins]

Like I said before...they should not be beaten or assaulted, but society as whole should ackowledge that these are people with a problem, and it should not be socially acceptable. The two who put on their little show at the game should have been arrested for public obscenity.

[smalex41]

Are you or anyone surprised?, I'm not, "such is the way of the world".

[rtbasye]

good job to this school district... at least common sense isnt gone everywhere in public schools....

[smalex41]

You draw the line by using "common sense" !!

[Major Harris]

nope its normal for a male and female to kiss and do that.
sorry, but it's not normal for groping to occur at the dinner table w/ guests at the house.

[Sarge]

Actually, it's a valid point. Of course, if you wanted to get more valid it would be akin to someone getting beat up because they wore a yarmulka or a Star of David necklace. That fits Sarge's belief system of people being able to choose to not be something.

There you go. It's not like black folks have a choice of what color they are

[smalex41]

A part of your society that you should be familiar with !!

[Sarge]

sorry, but it's not normal for groping to occur at the dinner table w/ guests at the house.

I thought that was OK in West Virginia? :D :laugh:

Sorry dude. I had to do it :laugh:

[Sarge]

You draw the line by using "common sense" !!

An old Chief of mine had a great saying, "Common sense isn't very common"

As this thread has demonstrated

[iheartskins]

There you go. It's not like black folks have a choice of what color they are
Many would make the same argument about people who are gay.

[Sarge]

Many would make the same argument about people who are gay.

You and I both know that's been done a few million times

[Predicto]

Ill give 2 links one is from a right wing source and the other is from a gay site about the same murder

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14837

http://www.trailerparkshow.com/dirkhising2.html

http://gaytoday.badpuppy.com/garchive/world/032801wo.htm



The middle one is the affidavit filed by the police. Of course the 13 yr old boy was never able to give his side of the story.

No one is questioning whether a horrible crime happened. They are questioning the "slap on the wrist" thing, your implication that criminals who hurt gays get unfair approbation while criminals who are thmeselves gay have it easy. Assuming that was your point.

[smalex41]

Discuss or provide your local "political" representative with your "ideology". Alert them to bring a large hanky or towel to absorb your "SOB STORY" !

[iheartskins]

smalex: all non-sequitur, all the time.

[Major Harris]

I thought that was OK in West Virginia? :D :laugh:

Sorry dude. I had to do it :laugh:
my wife and i do it quite often. but we're horny. ;)