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heyholetsgogrant
May-25th-2006, 09:10 AM
Abbas gives Hamas 10 days to recognize Israel
Otherwise, Palestinian leader says he'll seek referendum on issue

Thursday, May 25, 2006; Posted: 9:29 a.m. EDT (13:29 GMT)

(CNN) -- Palestinian rulers have been given 10 days to recognize Israel implicitly or face a territory-wide referendum on whether to accept the effective existence of the Jewish state.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas urged the Hamas-led government on Thursday to accept the national goal of establishing a Palestinian state in Gaza and the West Bank alongside Israel.

He said time was short and told a conference of Palestinian leaders that he would call a referendum if there was no agreement between his Fatah Party and the ruling Hamas in 10 days.

Hamas, which has historically vowed to seek the destruction of Israel, won control of the Palestinian Authority from Abbas' Fatah movement in a surprise election win in January. The United States, the European Union and Israel consider Hamas a terrorist organization.

Abbas' dramatic move came in a week of deadly clashes between militants supporting Hamas and Fatah and the day after Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told the U.S. Congress that Israel would not wait "forever" for the Palestinians to agree to establishing borders. (Full story)

Palestinian militants imprisoned in Israel, including members of Abbas' Fatah Party and a top Hamas leader, drew up the plan, which calls for areas captured by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War to make up the Palestinian state.

"I will submit this document by the prisoners to a Palestinian referendum among all the people," Abbas said. "This is not a threat."

Speaking at the conference in Ramallah, West Bank, Abbas said the prisoners are united and have no factional interests that have internally divided Palestinian politicians.

"They [the prisoners] all discussed it together, and they came up with this product, which I think is a great product," Abbas said.

Abbas said the Palestinians have no time to waste with discussion, as the political and economic situation grows more difficult.

"In 10 days you have to decide; you have to agree," Abbas said. "If you don't agree, then I will say that frankly none of us will be responsible, and in 40 days I will call for a referendum. I will ask my people directly whether they accept or do not accept this document."

Earlier at Thursday's conference, Prime Minister Ismail Haniya called for national unity and a joint political platform between his Hamas party and Fatah, saying, "The best thing that we can work on is to remain united -- to work together."

"We are now passing through a very critical moment where all of us need to be behave very responsibly ... so that we can face all the challenges internally and externally," Haniya said.

Until its upset by Hamas in parliamentary elections, Fatah was the dominant force in Palestinian politics.

Destabilizing violence in the Palestinian territories increased this week as the Hamas-led government deployed its own militia against Abbas' orders. The action sparked a rivalry with existing Palestinian security forces and raised fears of a possible civil war.

In addition, a Gaza security chief loyal to Abbas was killed by a car bomb Wednesday, the third senior security official to be targeted in a week. Full story

A spokesman for the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority told CNN that the government wants to "stop all kinds of clashes."

"We wanted to tell the world that our convictions and our struggle is with occupation, not with each other," Ghazi Hamad said, referring to the Israeli presence in the West Bank.

Hamad's Fatah counterpart, spokesman Ahmad Abdul-Rahman, agreed, saying the Palestinian factions must forge common ground.

"We can restore our unity," he said on CNN, but noted that Hamas must still accept previous peace agreements between Israel and the Palestinian Authority and recognize the Jewish state.

"We can achieve the support of the world. We can achieve the support of our people," Abdul-Rahman said.

"Now we are isolated because of this program of Hamas that was adopted while it was in opposition. Now when it is in the government, it is not working well."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/25/palestinian.talks/index.html
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BURGUNDYBLEEDER
May-25th-2006, 09:21 AM
Great sounds like there is an outside possibility that the Palestinians will kill each other.

Air Force Cane
May-25th-2006, 09:29 AM
Hamas and Fatah have already killed 7 of each other and wounded another 40 in the last two weeks..

that is a good start.

dwbiggs
May-25th-2006, 09:33 AM
All caused by religion...who loves God more...who owned land when. You would think they would get it through their thick skulls that just getting along would improve their lives sooooo much more than fighting these pointless battles.


Dan

perturbed
May-25th-2006, 09:41 AM
All caused by religion...who loves God more...who owned land when. You would think they would get it through their thick skulls that just getting along would improve their lives sooooo much more than fighting these pointless battles.


Dan
Chaaa Ching ..... :applause:

ntotoro
May-25th-2006, 09:45 AM
10 days or what... ? He'll ask them to do it again?

He's about as flaccid as the UN.

G-Prime
May-25th-2006, 09:47 AM
Great sounds like there is an outside possibility that the Palestinians will kill each other.

Good saves Israel and us from having to do it =/

Taylor 36
May-25th-2006, 09:48 AM
All caused by religion...who loves God more...who owned land when. You would think they would get it through their thick skulls that just getting along would improve their lives sooooo much more than fighting these pointless battles.


Dan

You give them too much credit in their intelligence and thinking skills.

Air Force Cane
May-25th-2006, 09:54 AM
from our perspective as Americans it generally doesn't make sense to fight when you can just live in peace.

unfortunately 3,500 years of human history would cast doubt on that belief.

Prosperity
May-25th-2006, 10:00 AM
All caused by religion...who loves God more...who owned land when. You would think they would get it through their thick skulls that just getting along would improve their lives sooooo much more than fighting these pointless battles.


Dan

Religion has almost nothing to do with this. Its makes it worse, but Palestinians and Jews could have all been atheists and the same thing would have happened.

Birdlives
May-25th-2006, 10:02 AM
Religion has almost nothing to do with this. Its makes it worse, but Palestinians and Jews could have all been atheists and the same thing would have happened.

Don't kid yourself.

This is and always has been about land. Land that both religions dictate belong to them not the other religion.

Prosperity
May-25th-2006, 10:06 AM
Don't kid yourself.

This is and always has been about land. Land that both religions dictate belong to them not the other religion.



Some Jews believe because of their religion they somehow have this divine mandate to own Israeli land. The Muslims believe that they have divine mandate to defend the holy land from jews. Both points of view are ludicrous imo, but it is about land first and foremost, but the particular religions don't really matter that much imo. One group of people thinks the other group is taking away their land and livelihood. I did underestimate religions impact though, I should have said, "less than most people think" not "almost nothing."

lovellj
May-25th-2006, 10:15 AM
Don't kid yourself.

This is and always has been about land. Land that both religions dictate belong to them not the other religion.

Your post is simply validating Liberty's. The both want the land to call their own, and are using a religious pretext to claim their right to it. It has less to do with holy sites than it does to do with territorial control for their population. Nonetheless, the religious angle can't be completely ignored, based on the dispute over Jerusalem.

Kilmer17
May-25th-2006, 10:27 AM
As the British cops are known to say-

"Stop!!!! Or I'll yell stop again"

BURGUNDYBLEEDER
May-25th-2006, 10:28 AM
While religion is the main claim to the land, remember Israel won a war which adds to their claim.

heyholetsgogrant
May-25th-2006, 12:37 PM
I just hope that Abbas doesn’t end up Assassinated within the next few weeks, because he could be the only chance the Palestinians have for peace..


-Grant

Air Force Cane
May-25th-2006, 12:44 PM
that is like claiming that the war with Al-Queda is over land-

since they want to destroy the United States and set up their own Islamic caliphate here instead. is it really over land? no...

the conflict in the middle east between Arabs/Muslims and Israelis is over the fact that Muslims can not stomach a kaffir having any control in their own lives rather than submitting to Islam...

Israel is the size of New Jersey- and it takes up less than 2% of the Middle East..

dwbiggs
May-25th-2006, 01:30 PM
from our perspective as Americans it generally doesn't make sense to fight when you can just live in peace.

unfortunately 3,500 years of human history would cast doubt on that belief.



3500 years and they still haven't figured it out.

And it is all based on religion.

Dan

Sarge
May-25th-2006, 01:50 PM
Hoepfully they'll wipe each other out

Birdlives
May-25th-2006, 09:02 PM
Your post is simply validating Liberty's. The both want the land to call their own, and are using a religious pretext to claim their right to it. It has less to do with holy sites than it does to do with territorial control for their population. Nonetheless, the religious angle can't be completely ignored, based on the dispute over Jerusalem.

Absolutely not. He said if they were atheists this would still happen. Both religions speak of this land as their holy mandate.

Birdlives
May-25th-2006, 09:02 PM
Hoepfully they'll wipe each other out

I'm sorry, but that's just an ugly thing to say.

dwbiggs
May-26th-2006, 08:01 AM
What in the hell is going on over there? Possible Palestinian Civil War? Could this blow up into something much greater?



Ah let em have their civil war....keep the killing in-house.

Dan

ntotoro
May-26th-2006, 08:04 AM
Ah let em have their civil war....keep the killing in-house.

Dan

They won't. They'll try to bring it somewhere else, like they did to Lebanon.

BRAVEONAWARPATH
May-26th-2006, 10:09 AM
Hoepfully they'll wipe each other out
Tell us how you really feel about the Palestinians. :(
Call me stupid for actually not wanting to see anybody
"wipe each other out".

I just hope that Abbas is successful. I'm not
counting on it though.

Air Force Cane
May-26th-2006, 11:03 AM
what he said was that Fatah and Hamas should wipe each other out.

two terrorist groups killing each other off would be a blessing for humanity.

Predicto
May-26th-2006, 11:47 AM
what he said was that Fatah and Hamas should wipe each other out.

two terrorist groups killing each other off would be a blessing for humanity.


Well, now that Arafat is dead, and Fatah is pushing for the recognition of Israel and a defined Palestinian state outside the borders of Israel, do you still feel the same way?

twa
May-26th-2006, 12:46 PM
Well, now that Arafat is dead, and Fatah is pushing for the recognition of Israel and a defined Palestinian state outside the borders of Israel, do you still feel the same way?

You might see a alliance between Hamas and Israel if things escalate.

Wouldn't that be interesting?

Thiebear
May-26th-2006, 01:16 PM
I'm sorry, but that's just an ugly thing to say.

No, its not!
If the two wipe each other out the civilians can then live in peace..... :)
As opposed to 50 years of infighting.

Dallsux
May-26th-2006, 01:47 PM
All caused by religion...who loves God more...who owned land when. You would think they would get it through their thick skulls that just getting along would improve their lives sooooo much more than fighting these pointless battles.


Dan


It's called Prophecy.