Anyone see this bull**** by the Miami Heat?

[santana4prez]

The Miami Heat are a bunch of ******* and they had to play a ***** game to win tonight. The Heat kept fouling Ben Wallace when he didnt even have the ball because he is a ****ty free throw shooter. The NBA needs to make a rule change that you cant foul a player on purpose just because you are ******* and afraid of the Pistons. Im not even a Piston fan but that was a terrible finish and was a waste of my time. I like to see real men play the game and not a bunch of lame ass fouls to put a guy at the line. Its one thing if he has the ball and he is about to score but damn to foul a guy who sucks at free throws just because you are scared of the Pistons offense is sad. Pat Riley showed me his a *****. The damn Heat had a damn lead and kept fouling because they were scared. I mean Riley is a great Head Coach but if your plan is too foul a guy as much as you can before it hits the 2:00 minute mark and the rule changes is bull****. At least alot of times the hack a shaq was done when Shaq actually had the ball. That move turned a close game into a double digit lead because they wanted to play like ******* and use the rules instead of playing defense. The Heat will not win the NBA Title if they are to ***** to play defense they can take this win tonight but that **** is just going to piss off the Pistons. Damn Miami *******.

EDIT - Sorry for all the ***** but that game was a good game until the Heat had to play scared when they even had a lead. Just venting and I want to know if anyone else saw this BS.

[Who Del]

I didn't even read past the first few sentences.

You can't foul a player because he doesn't shoot well? Isn't that something we call... STRATEGY?????

[kevinklein]

It's the game of Basketball. That's like saying the NFL should outlaw kneeling the ball because they're scared of the opposing teams defense.

[DieselPwr44]

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Earlier in that quarter, the Pistons started the old Hack a Shaq strategy, putting O'Neal on the line to shoot free throws(don't hear you complaining about that).

Riley just gave Saunders a taste of his own medicine.

[santana4prez]

It's the game of Basketball. That's like saying the NFL should outlaw kneeling the ball because they're scared of the opposing teams defense.


Its a little bit different in my opinon. The Heat had a lead and played scared. In the NFL with less then 2 minutes or if a team has no timeouts you knee the ball. This game had over 4 minutes left. I know it is strategy but it was a crappy way to end a game.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

WTF?

Shaq and Wade were the best players on the floor tonight and it's the Pistons who continually whine about calls and flop and jump into defensive players to draw fouls.

Enough.

[chow184]

if the miami heat had a player that sucked as much as ben wallace at free throw shooting no doubt the pistons would pick on him the same way.

it's strategy,and if it gets you the win thats all that matters

[GOSKINS_08]

The pistons fould Shaq, the heat foul Ben Wallace..Whats the big deal?

[GOSKINS_08]

if the miami heat had a player that sucked as much as ben wallace at free throw shooting no doubt the pistons would pick on him the same way.

it's strategy,and if it gets you the win thats all that matters

Shaq is a bad free throw shooter.

[kevinklein]

Everyone stop responding. The Mickalino proposal is in effect. :)

[santana4prez]

I hate the hack-a-shaq as well. It just is sad when I watch a game to see teams make plays and maybe see a classic finish and I have to see the Heat with a lead foul a player instead of playing defense. I agree the win is all that matters but I never see that as strategy I see that as a weak way to try to win a game. I am not a fan of it because to me it just makes a game turn into a worst player free throw shooting contest. I just dont like to see teams with leads turning a good game into something like that.

[stevenaa]

You want to blame someone for the loss, blame Ben Wallace for not being able to shoot free throws. I just don't understand how a professional basketball player does not shoot atleast 80% from the line when they get to stand their, aim and shoot with no defender pressuring them. He should devote whatever time it takes to be a proficient free throw shooter.

[HOF44]

You want to blame someone for the loss, blame Ben Wallace for not being able to shoot free throws. I just don't understand how a professional basketball player does not shoot atleast 80% from the line when they get to stand their, aim and shoot with no defender pressuring them. He should devote whatever time it takes to be a proficient free throw shooter.

Exactly Steve, if Wallace could shoot a free throw it wouldn't happen.

Thats like saying don't drive to the basket on that guy he doesn't defend very well. You have to take advantage of the oppsoing teams weaknesses. And thats all that happened.

[santana4prez]

You want to blame someone for the loss, blame Ben Wallace for not being able to shoot free throws. I just don't understand how a professional basketball player does not shoot atleast 80% from the line when they get to stand their, aim and shoot with no defender pressuring them. He should devote whatever time it takes to be a proficient free throw shooter.

I agree that is why they lost but that same logic needs to apply to Gilbert Arenas then. He choked for us and I am still upset he makes a 30 ft shot to tie it but cant make 2 free throws in OT.

[jrockster21]

It's the game of Basketball. That's like saying the NFL should outlaw kneeling the ball because they're scared of the opposing teams defense.


Actually, the two scenarios are completely different. I don't agree with the OP, but if you're going to try to offer up a metaphor, use something that is comparable...

[twenty-eight]

I didnt get to watch the game tonight, i was working:(
but i did make a pretty penny:)

[Skinned]

Dunleavy used to employ that strategy against the Lakers when he was with the Blazers. They would foul Shaq in the 4th up till the 2 minute mark, when it becomes a 2 shot foul and the ball (and you get to choose the shooter). At times it can work, but it is a bogus that they just don't call an intentional foul IMO. When you are bear-hugging a player without the ball...come on....

[skinz1972]

The Miami Heat are a bunch of ******* and they had to play a ***** game to win tonight. The Heat kept fouling Ben Wallace when he didnt even have the ball because he is a ****ty free throw shooter. The NBA needs to make a rule change that you cant foul a player on purpose just because you are ******* and afraid of the Pistons. Im not even a Piston fan but that was a terrible finish and was a waste of my time. I like to see real men play the game and not a bunch of lame ass fouls to put a guy at the line. Its one thing if he has the ball and he is about to score but damn to foul a guy who sucks at free throws just because you are scared of the Pistons offense is sad. Pat Riley showed me his a *****. The damn Heat had a damn lead and kept fouling because they were scared. I mean Riley is a great Head Coach but if your plan is too foul a guy as much as you can before it hits the 2:00 minute mark and the rule changes is bull****. At least alot of times the hack a shaq was done when Shaq actually had the ball. That move turned a close game into a double digit lead because they wanted to play like ******* and use the rules instead of playing defense. The Heat will not win the NBA Title if they are to ***** to play defense they can take this win tonight but that **** is just going to piss off the Pistons. Damn Miami *******.

EDIT - Sorry for all the ***** but that game was a good game until the Heat had to play scared when they even had a lead. Just venting and I want to know if anyone else saw this BS.WHY ARENT U COMPLAINing about the shaq-a dope?

[Leonard Washington]

i think fouling poor shooters on purpose as well as running out the clock plays in the nfl are cheap ways to win.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

The Heat kept fouling Ben Wallace when he didnt even have the ball because he is a ****ty free throw shooter. The NBA needs to make a rule change that you cant foul a player on purpose just because you are ******* and afraid of the Pistons.

Let me preface this by saying that I am not an NBA fan or a basketball fan in general. I haven't watched an NBA game in probably at least ten years. Take or leave my view on this thing with that knowledge.

Why do you need a new rule to deal with this? I believe there's already an intentional foul rule IN THE NBA RULEBOOK. If I remember correctly it's considered a Technical Foul. Unfortunately, just like traveling, palming, the carry, charging, and the Technical Foul for hanging on the rim; IT'S NOT ENFORCED. That's a large part of why I won't watch basketball. They have a rulebook but don't enforce anything in it.

[sith lord]

Well if the "overrated" Wallace could make a free throw every now and then, maybe they wouldn't foul him. I actually believe he's worse than Shaq at free throw shooting. I'm rooting for the Pistons, but their run is over and I blame Larry Brown. If he stays, they beat the Heat and probably wins another title.

[MLSKINS]

Well if the "overrated" Wallace could make a free throw every now and then, maybe they wouldn't foul him. I actually believe he's worse than Shaq at free throw shooting. I'm rooting for the Pistons, but their run is over and I blame Larry Brown. If he stays, they beat the Heat and probably wins another title.
Naw I don't know about that. The Heat is a team that was built for the playoffs. Wade can get the Heat to the playoffs by himself, but with the help off role players they can get a 1st or 2nd seed. Shaq and Wade can win a championship, with the help of role players. The only team that could giuve the Heat some go is the Spurs. But they ****ed it up, so now the Heat is the favored in my book.

[sith lord]

Naw I don't know about that. The Heat is a team that was built for the playoffs. Wade can get the Heat to the playoffs by himself, but with the help off role players they can get a 1st or 2nd seed. Shaq and Wade can win a championship, with the help of role players. The only team that could giuve the Heat some go is the Spurs. But they ****ed it up, so now the Heat is the favored in my book.

The biggest difference between todays Pistons and the Pistons of the previous 2 years is defense. Something Larry Brown is most known for. Believe me, if Brown was still the coach, Wade, Shaq and company would not be getting the looks they've been getting.

[skinfan2k]

last year, larry brown used tayshaun prince to guard wade.. it frustrated him big time

[DieselPwr44]

last year, larry brown used tayshaun prince to guard wade.. it frustrated him big time
Also, if you'll remember, Wade was playing injured in this series last year. That alone makes a big difference.

[The Sir]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but the post was flawed to begin with. An off the ball defender can't intentionally foul his man under two minutes. The other team goes to the line and gets the ball back in that situation. It's the same thing with fouling before the ball is inbounded.

Also, you're going to ***** about Shaq's team doing that to someone. They have the right to do that about 500 more times before anyone can even begin to complain.

Also, the problem could easily be solved, take Ben Wallace out of the game if his free throws cost you that much. To leave him in there while that is happening is just stubborn and you deserve for it to happen at that point.

[Monte51Coleman]

Sour grapes. Play better, win the game. The original post is one for losers.

[LiveStrongSkins]

just a brilliant move by a playoff savvy coach in my opinion. Putting a horrid free throw shooter on the line only helps your cause. :applause:

[santana4prez]

WHY ARENT U COMPLAINing about the shaq-a dope?

I did in the next post read the whole thread before you start knocking it. I dont have as much of a problem with it because Shaq has the ball alot of times and is about to score. This Ben Wallace stuff was just a cheap way to win a game.


Not sure if anyone mentioned it, but the post was flawed to begin with. An off the ball defender can't intentionally foul his man under two minutes. The other team goes to the line and gets the ball back in that situation. It's the same thing with fouling before the ball is inbounded.

Duh they were fouling before it hit the 2 minute mark so Wallace would be the one going to the line. Yes after it hits the 2 minute mark what you say is true but they did it with 4 minutes left. Read my post next time I clearly stated why I was upset.


Also, you're going to ***** about Shaq's team doing that to someone. They have the right to do that about 500 more times before anyone can even begin to complain.

No there was a difference. Shaq when he gets fouled like that at least has the ball most of the times. Ben Wallace didnt even have the ball. It was just a ***** way to win a game.


Also, the problem could easily be solved, take Ben Wallace out of the game if his free throws cost you that much. To leave him in there while that is happening is just stubborn and you deserve for it to happen at that point.

They did after they realized the Heat were going to do it every time til it hit the 2 minute mark.

[sith lord]

just a brilliant move by a playoff savvy coach in my opinion. Putting a horrid free throw shooter on the line only helps your cause. :applause:

That's not a brilliant move, heck, even you or I could have thought of that.

[MLSKINS]

last year, larry brown used tayshaun prince to guard wade.. it frustrated him big time
The man avg 22 a game in that series, and he was hurt!!

[The Sir]

I did in the next post read the whole thread before you start knocking it. I dont have as much of a problem with it because Shaq has the ball alot of times and is about to score. This Ben Wallace stuff was just a cheap way to win a game.



Duh they were fouling before it hit the 2 minute mark so Wallace would be the one going to the line. Yes after it hits the 2 minute mark what you say is true but they did it with 4 minutes left. Read my post next time I clearly stated why I was upset.



No there was a difference. Shaq when he gets fouled like that at least has the ball most of the times. Ben Wallace didnt even have the ball. It was just a ***** way to win a game.



They did after they realized the Heat were going to do it every time til it hit the 2 minute mark.

My bad man, I didn't read your original post all the way through. It was just so long and seemed to just be restating the same bitching over and over. So I stopped assuming the rest would be more of the same.

I do disagree about Shaq getting fouled when he has the ball most of the time. Many times. This has also been done to Bruce Bowen before, and it's not the first time it's happened to Ben Wallace either. It's good strategy and forces the coach to pull their player. That's strategy at its finest. He either needs to learn how to shoot the easiest shot in the game other than the uncontested layup, or he'll continue to suffer the same fate.

Wallace is atrocious though, he's way worse than Shaq at the line. Might even be worse than Chris Dudley. Chris Dudley was so funny to watch, I know it's stereotypical to say this, but it was so funny seeing a white yale graduate shoot below 50% from the line. With Wallace, he's just so erratic. Someone who has such awful touch shouldn't be trying to put that much arc on his shot. He'd be better off just doing a line drive shot at the rim, or trying to bank them lol. He's so bad.

[LiveStrongSkins]

That's not a brilliant move, heck, even you or I could have thought of that.

I agree. However,sometimes a move is so easy to make, that it gets over looked. Sometimes it takes a great coach to do the most obvious of things. The Lakers would have been world champs a few years back if they played "Hack-a-Ben"

[ashburnskinsfan]

I dislike this rule in basketball ... a deliberate foul should have a worse consequence than free shots. I wish the team with the ball had the right to keep playing even if fouls are being made against them. It is more to their advatage to keep the clock running, and so they should be allowed to keep playing. A hard foul should be a warning followed by an ejection like in other sports.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Dude, YOU SUCK.....
A free throw is a FREE SHOT...they get paid MILLIONS to make those, if he cant, why not foul him? Maybe someone should be playing in his place that can shoot with NOONE covering him. People do the same thing to Shaq.... THIS THREAD SUCKS AS MUCH AS "THE JUICE" HITTIN 715 TODAY......

[skinfan2k]

i hate the arguement about juice.. it was ****ing allowed and bonds maybe proved to use it better than everyone else.. he has one of the best baseball minds and swings.

[Tarhog]

i hate the arguement about juice.. it was ****ing allowed and bonds maybe proved to use it better than everyone else.. he has one of the best baseball minds and swings.

Use of steroids without a prescription has always been illegal. If he used them, he was not only cheating, he was breaking laws. If he wasn't, then he did neither. I reserve judgement. If someone can prove it, they should. If they can't then they should shut up and stop lobbing charges.

[Tarhog]

Dude, YOU SUCK.....
A free throw is a FREE SHOT...they get paid MILLIONS to make those, if he cant, why not foul him? Maybe someone should be playing in his place that can shoot with NOONE covering him. People do the same thing to Shaq.... THIS THREAD SUCKS AS MUCH AS "THE JUICE" HITTIN 715 TODAY......

Its fine to argue a point, but lets leave the 'you suck' comments out please.

[Extreme]

The Miami Heat are a bunch of ******* and they had to play a ***** game to win tonight. The Heat kept fouling Ben Wallace when he didnt even have the ball because he is a ****ty free throw shooter. The NBA needs to make a rule change that you cant foul a player on purpose just because you are ******* and afraid of the Pistons. Im not even a Piston fan but that was a terrible finish and was a waste of my time. I like to see real men play the game and not a bunch of lame ass fouls to put a guy at the line. Its one thing if he has the ball and he is about to score but damn to foul a guy who sucks at free throws just because you are scared of the Pistons offense is sad. Pat Riley showed me his a *****. The damn Heat had a damn lead and kept fouling because they were scared. I mean Riley is a great Head Coach but if your plan is too foul a guy as much as you can before it hits the 2:00 minute mark and the rule changes is bull****. At least alot of times the hack a shaq was done when Shaq actually had the ball. That move turned a close game into a double digit lead because they wanted to play like ******* and use the rules instead of playing defense. The Heat will not win the NBA Title if they are to ***** to play defense they can take this win tonight but that **** is just going to piss off the Pistons. Damn Miami *******.

EDIT - Sorry for all the ***** but that game was a good game until the Heat had to play scared when they even had a lead. Just venting and I want to know if anyone else saw this BS.

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[Monte51Coleman]

A hard foul should be a warning followed by an ejection like in other sports.

I'll go along with that as long as 'flops' are treated equally as harsh.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Its fine to argue a point, but lets leave the 'you suck' comments out please.

Sorry, I guess I just thought all the *****s in the original post would justify it

[ironmic]

WTF?

Shaq and Wade were the best players on the floor tonight and it's the Pistons who continually whine about calls and flop and jump into defensive players to draw fouls.

Enough.
:applause: :applause: :cheers: .that is the 3rd most true statement i have ever heared in my life

[sith lord]

It's all over, the Heat will be representing the East in the Finals and Saunders is the most overrated coach in the league.

[skin-em]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
WTF?

Shaq and Wade were the best players on the floor tonight and it's the Pistons who continually whine about calls and flop and jump into defensive players to draw fouls.

Enough.


Pistons can't win a series without the refs

[Midnight Judges]

The Miami Heat are a bunch of ******* and they had to play a ***** game to win tonight. The Heat kept fouling Ben Wallace when he didnt even have the ball because he is a ****ty free throw shooter. The NBA needs to make a rule change that you cant foul a player on purpose just because you are ******* and afraid of the Pistons. Im not even a Piston fan but that was a terrible finish and was a waste of my time. I like to see real men play the game and not a bunch of lame ass fouls to put a guy at the line. Its one thing if he has the ball and he is about to score but damn to foul a guy who sucks at free throws just because you are scared of the Pistons offense is sad. Pat Riley showed me his a *****. The damn Heat had a damn lead and kept fouling because they were scared. I mean Riley is a great Head Coach but if your plan is too foul a guy as much as you can before it hits the 2:00 minute mark and the rule changes is bull****. At least alot of times the hack a shaq was done when Shaq actually had the ball. That move turned a close game into a double digit lead because they wanted to play like ******* and use the rules instead of playing defense. The Heat will not win the NBA Title if they are to ***** to play defense they can take this win tonight but that **** is just going to piss off the Pistons. Damn Miami *******.

EDIT - Sorry for all the ***** but that game was a good game until the Heat had to play scared when they even had a lead. Just venting and I want to know if anyone else saw this BS.

I didn't see most of the game but I agree with you that it's a cheap way to win. I felt the same way when Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Tyson would have knocked him out but every time Tyson landed a good punch Douglas would just hug him and lean on him. It was cheap and Douglas was able to break the rules to his advantage which is why I have a problem with Basketball the way it is now-because you can break the rules to your advantage by fouling the right guy.

I can't think of a situation in the NFL where you commit a penalty to your own advantage.

[sith lord]

I didn't see most of the game but I agree with you that it's a cheap way to win. I felt the same way when Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson. Tyson would have knocked him out but every time Tyson landed a good punch Douglas would just hug him and lean on him. It was cheap and Douglas was able to break the rules to his advantage which is why I have a problem with Basketball the way it is now-because you can break the rules to your advantage by fouling the right guy.

I can't think of a situation in the NFL where you commit a penalty to your own advantage.

What are you talking about, Douglas outboxed Tyson from the get go. It's been 16 years, let it go. :doh:

[LiveStrongSkins]

I can't think of a situation in the NFL where you commit a penalty to your own advantage.

Sure you can... You can do it in every sport. On special teams teams take a delay of game to get extra room to punt. Also in college football, if a man is beat deep he is told to knock the wideout off the route. Instead of a 60 yard TD its a minimal flag since it isnt a spot foul in college football. Pat Riley is only doing to Detroit what teams have been doing to Shaq every game of his whole career. Tell Ben Wallace to go work on his free throws if it is him that is choking. It is a free shot, where you get ample time to set up and a clean release. An NBA player should beg for chances like that. If you cant make it, dont whine about the Heat putting you on the line, go work on it.

[vinva]

Pistons can't win a series without the refs

There was a pretty big foul shot difference last night though...that really can't be argued.

[LiveStrongSkins]

There was a pretty big foul shot difference last night though...that really can't be argued.

Well if you think about it... who on the Pistons attacks the basket like Shaq and Wade? The pistons rely on alot of precision and the mid range shot. The heat just shove it down your throat with Wade and Shaq, so you have no choice but to play perfect defense or hack them.

[vinva]

Well if you think about it... who on the Pistons attacks the basket like Shaq and Wade? The pistons rely on alot of precision and the mid range shot. The heat just shove it down your throat with Wade and Shaq, so you have no choice but to play perfect defense or hack them.

That can explain some of it, but a 47 - 22 differential is still pretty big. And how pathectic is it that each team shot below 60% from the line.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

That can explain some of it, but a 47 - 22 differential is still pretty big. And how pathectic is it that each team shot below 60% from the line.

If you watched the game though, you saw EVERY SINGLE CALL the Pistons bitched about, the replay showed the foul was legit.

Miami has been far more aggressive, Wade was on fire, but he wasn't the only one penetrating. Even Haslem was coming in and Shaq was also unstoppable for periods of the game. He's gonna get fouled when he's really feeling it so that he has to go to the line.

The disparity was not a suspicious one unless you can't comprehend why there are disparities in a game where one team is dominating the tempo and feel of the game.