Poor Greg Ellis

[DWinzit]

He is lookinmg for a commitment from dallas. You would think the contract was a commitment. Does any one feel sorry for Poor Greg Ellis?



Cowboys | Ellis wants a commitment from the team
Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:18:58 -0700

Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl">Dallas Cowboys DE Greg Ellis (http://www.kffl.com/player/494/nfl), who has played the last eight years as a defensive end, is being asked by the Cowboys (http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl) to accept a new non-starting role in the 3-4 defense that will be a cross between an outside linebacker and situational pass-rushing end. And while Ellis said he's fine with trying new things, he just wants some insurance for what he describes as a risk. "Just the level of commitment from them is what I'm looking for," Ellis said Sunday afternoon, June 4, in between the final pair of minicamp practices here at Valley Ranch this weekend. "You're going from a guy who has played with his hand on the ground for eight years, now you want me to change. I have no problem with that, but it's not right for me to have signed that contract (in 2003) with the intent on what we're going to do, then we switch." Ellis has four years remaining on his contract and is scheduled to count $3.35 million on the salary cap this season. While Ellis said he doesn't want a new contract, he wouldn't mind either the Cowboys (http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl) pushing forward some of the money at the end of the contract to this year or guaranteeing his salary this year and possibly the next two.

[Leonard Washington]

sounds like he doesn't want to give this position change 100% effort and he feels he needs to be compensated for losing his job. :wtf:

this could be a major oppurtunity for him. he could get 15 sacks, hold out, and get paid.

[Dirk Diggler]

Strange. Cowboys fans would have you believe that Tuna has a mind-control device and that everyone just falls right into line without a gripe. This isn't the first time Ellis has bitched about his role either. Guess he didn't get the memo.

[moondog]

haha way off topic but leonard, that sig is AWESOME.
Eh hard to feel pity for a cowboy, besides they didn't they do almost the same thing to La'Roi when they switched from 4-3 to a 3-4 and he was still productive enough to get to the pro-bowl. Of course then they cut him but hey being a cowboy sucks right?

[ouvan59]

And while Ellis said he's fine with trying new things, he just wants some insurance for what he describes as a risk. "Just the level of commitment from them is what I'm looking for,".......... Ellis has four years remaining on his contract and is scheduled to count $3.35 million on the salary cap this season. While Ellis said he doesn't want a new contract....

Ummmm, It pretty much sounds like he is asking for a new contract to me. I mean in football what other kind of commitment is there other than promising him a starting role which Parcells would never do.

[CPstretch]

he really doesnt fit in the 3-4. i guess they want to move canty into a starting role.

[DWinzit]

he really doesnt fit in the 3-4. i guess they want to move canty into a starting role.
That freakin' Canty is good. I was pissed when they picked him at the end of the 4th round.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Strange. Cowboys fans would have you believe that Tuna has a mind-control device and that everyone just falls right into line without a gripe. This isn't the first time Ellis has bitched about his role either. Guess he didn't get the memo.

And skins fans would like you to believe that Gibbs is Jesus Christ amongst common man and that he walks on water... :rolleyes:

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

And skins fans would like you to believe that Gibbs is Jesus Christ amongst common man and that he walks on water... :rolleyes:Everyone knows Gibbs can't walk on water. But he can turn it in to wine. ;)

[tat2d69]

And skins fans would like you to believe that Gibbs is Jesus Christ amongst common man and that he walks on water... :rolleyes:


He is and he does:dallasuck

[THEHEREAFTER]

He is and he does:dallasuck

Case and point.. :laugh: :laugh:

[CPstretch]

Case and point.. :laugh: :laugh:

no dude, he really can.

[THEHEREAFTER]

no dude, he really can.


:(

[HeHateMe]

He wasnt complaining too much when he got extended after a not so great season.

He got the memo.

When he is there, at training camp in July, it will be clear that he got it, and then read it.

[DWinzit]

Parcells doesn't take sh**. He is known for cutting one unexpected player every year or two to send a message. Don't be suprised....

[smalex41]

He is lookinmg for a commitment from dallas. You would think the contract was a commitment. Does any one feel sorry for Poor Greg Ellis?



Cowboys | Ellis wants a commitment from the team
Sun, 4 Jun 2006 18:18:58 -0700

Nick Eatman, of DallasCowboys.com, reports <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl">Dallas Cowboys DE Greg Ellis (http://www.kffl.com/player/494/nfl), who has played the last eight years as a defensive end, is being asked by the Cowboys (http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl) to accept a new non-starting role in the 3-4 defense that will be a cross between an outside linebacker and situational pass-rushing end. And while Ellis said he's fine with trying new things, he just wants some insurance for what he describes as a risk. "Just the level of commitment from them is what I'm looking for," Ellis said Sunday afternoon, June 4, in between the final pair of minicamp practices here at Valley Ranch this weekend. "You're going from a guy who has played with his hand on the ground for eight years, now you want me to change. I have no problem with that, but it's not right for me to have signed that contract (in 2003) with the intent on what we're going to do, then we switch." Ellis has four years remaining on his contract and is scheduled to count $3.35 million on the salary cap this season. While Ellis said he doesn't want a new contract, he wouldn't mind either the Cowboys (http://www.kffl.com/team/14/nfl) pushing forward some of the money at the end of the contract to this year or guaranteeing his salary this year and possibly the next two. " Cest la vie "say the "old folks"., It goes to show you never can tell !!

[Dirk Diggler]

He wasnt complaining too much when he got extended after a not so great season.

He got the memo.

When he is there, at training camp in July, it will be clear that he got it, and then read it.

Really? So as long as he isn't actually holding out - it will mean that he gets it? I thought the rule was that you don't negotiate in public? That is of course, unless you're upset with your role/contract.

Obviously he doesn't get it right now. And unless they throw more money at him sometime between now and training camp, this will be an issue the press will continue pressing him on.

Is it Defcon 5? Of course not. But it certainly dispels the myth that Parcells can somehow reach every player. Quincy Carter and Antonio Bryant are pretty good examples that he can not.

[DWinzit]

I just hope this doesn't create a big distraction for dallas:laugh:

[HeHateMe]

Really? So as long as he isn't actually holding out - it will mean that he gets it? I thought the rule was that you don't negotiate in public? That is of course, unless you're upset with your role/contract.

Obviously he doesn't get it right now. And unless they throw more money at him sometime between now and training camp, this will be an issue the press will continue pressing him on.

Is it Defcon 5? Of course not. But it certainly dispels the myth that Parcells can somehow reach every player. Quincy Carter and Antonio Bryant are pretty good examples that he can not.

Made a playoff QB out of Carter.

Something NO ONE thought would ever happen.

And Bryant? Well, I think the word is out this kid is a turd through and through.

If Parcells and Crenell arent getting to him, no one will.

As for Ellis, if you bothered to read the article, he's not asking for more money in the form of a new contract.

He's asking for his deal to be restructured so he can potentially earn some of the money he may or may not have ever seen anyway.

I can't blame him, it is a big risk for him at this point.

But he is a team player and he will fall in line. Just like he did last season when he was rumbling about the same thing.

[HeHateMe]

Really? So as long as he isn't actually holding out - it will mean that he gets it? I thought the rule was that you don't negotiate in public? That is of course, unless you're upset with your role/contract.

Obviously he doesn't get it right now. And unless they throw more money at him sometime between now and training camp, this will be an issue the press will continue pressing him on.

Is it Defcon 5? Of course not. But it certainly dispels the myth that Parcells can somehow reach every player. Quincy Carter and Antonio Bryant are pretty good examples that he can not.

Speaking of not getting through though, Ramsey must really be a turd if the great Joe Gibbs couldnt make anything out of him.

[Dirk Diggler]

He's asking for his deal to be restructured so he can potentially earn some of the money he may or may not have ever seen anyway.


Asking for more of the money to be guaranteed is asking for more money. I hope you knew that.

[Dirk Diggler]

Made a playoff QB out of Carter.

Something NO ONE thought would ever happen.

And Bryant? Well, I think the word is out this kid is a turd through and through.


Still didn't get through Carter enough to convince him to put down the pipe.

And Bryant's still in the league so he's obviously got some value to someone. He'd be better than any #3 you have.

[F Landry]

Speaking of not getting through though, Ramsey must really be a turd if the great Joe Gibbs couldnt make anything out of him.
"Ramsey must be a turd"
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:rolleyes:
However, unlike Bryant, Ramsey never caused any problems for the team. He was yanked out of his #1QB spot, and didn't b**** one time the entire season.

[Dirk Diggler]

Speaking of not getting through though, Ramsey must really be a turd if the great Joe Gibbs couldnt make anything out of him.

Couldn't make more out of him than he felt he could get out of Brunell. That makes him a turd?

[No_Pressure]

Maybe the great Joe Gibbs is smart enough to know his own offense and know he didnt want Ramsey as the #1 QB in it. We made the playoffs, would we have with Ramsey in charge?

[HeHateMe]

Asking for more of the money to be guaranteed is asking for more money. I hope you knew that.

Not if he plays out the duration of his contract.

I hope you knew that.

[HeHateMe]

Still didn't get through Carter enough to convince him to put down the pipe.

And Bryant's still in the league so he's obviously got some value to someone. He'd be better than any #3 you have.

It's a tough habit to kick.

What can I tell ya?

Some can handle it and play (LT); and some can't.

As for Bryant, 49ers? Enough said.

And he'd be your #2.

[HeHateMe]

Couldn't make more out of him than he felt he could get out of Brunell. That makes him a turd?

Never game him a fair shake IMO.

[Birdlives]

Case and point.. :laugh: :laugh:

The phrase you're looking for is case IN point. As in, my case was made with that point. Case and point doesn't make any sense.

[ouvan59]

As for Bryant, 49ers? Enough said. And he'd be your #2.

Ummmm, no he wouldn't. At least not according to Joe Gibbs and Vinnie Cerrato. You don't think that if Gibbs and Co. had wanted Bryant that he wouldn't be a Skin now?

[DWinzit]

As for Bryant, 49ers? Enough said.
And he'd be your #2.
Oh he's #2 all right :pooh:

[HeHateMe]

Ummmm, no he wouldn't. At least not according to Joe Gibbs and Vinnie Cerrato. You don't think that if Gibbs and Co. had wanted Bryant that he wouldn't be a Skin now?

Whether they wanted him or not, the only WR on the Skins roster that is better than AB is Moss.

They didnt want him for the same reason Parcells 86'ed his *****.

And I dont blame them.

[HeHateMe]

Oh he's #2 all right :pooh:

Agreed 100%.

[tr1]

Gawd, I hope Ellis takes it easy...perhaps TO can step in, counsel him and get him to try to fit in.

[DWinzit]

Ellis gives the girls another :loser: .

[Shotgunner]

Get on board or shut the f*#@ up. Tuna!

[jrockster21]

And skins fans would like you to believe that Gibbs is Jesus Christ amongst common man and that he walks on water... :rolleyes:

Wow...thehereafter responds with a saracstic remark and no facts...is anyone surprised?? :rolleyes:



Speaking of not getting through though, Ramsey must really be a turd if the great Joe Gibbs couldnt make anything out of him.

You've been around here long enough to know about the 'Edit' buttton, HHM. Why quote DD's post twice? Just edit the first post.



As for Bryant, 49ers? Enough said.

And he'd be your #2.


Agreed 100%.

So....you agree Bryant is a crap reciever. Yet you think he'd be our number 2. So you think Patten, Lloyd and Randle-El are all worse than crap? Seriously, please respond to this. I just want to have this clear for when the season comes around. You know, for posterity. :)

HHM....I expect more from you. You're going to totally disrespect our receivers like that, I'd hope you had some logical arguments to back it up. But you've got nothing, so of course you won't post about it. :rolleyes:

[HeHateMe]

So....you agree Bryant is a crap reciever. Yet you think he'd be our number 2. So you think Patten, Lloyd and Randle-El are all worse than crap? Seriously, please respond to this. I just want to have this clear for when the season comes around. You know, for posterity. :)

HHM....I expect more from you. You're going to totally disrespect our receivers like that, I'd hope you had some logical arguments to back it up. But you've got nothing, so of course you won't post about it. :rolleyes:

Bryant is a turd.

Not a crap WR.

Talent-wise and ability to produce, he is better than Randle El, Lloyd and Patten, IMO.

But that doesnt mean he isnt a turd.

Exactly why Gibbs and Co. didnt pursue him.

Exactly why a lot of teams didnt pursue him.

Exactly why Parcells cut him loose, and Crennel let him walk without thinking twice.

Its the same argument with Owens vs. whoever (S. Moss for this site's purposes).

Just about every Skins fan will take Moss over Owens even though Owens has produced more in the past, and will most likely produce more in the future.

But to Skins fans, Owens is a turd.

But it doesnt mean he isnt more talented that Moss.

I don't really think I am disrespecting your WR's when I say Bryant would be your #2 WR.

It's just that I think Bryant, when under control (ie not being a turd) is a game breaker who can put up some quality numbers.

Who would I rather have? Only Randle El over Bryant because of his extreme versatility in all aspects of the game.

But WR talent alone, Bryant is the best of the bunch.

[DWinzit]

Bryant is a turd.

But to Skins fans, Owens is a turd.

But WR talent alone, Bryant is the best of the bunch.
Although I respect your opinion on bryant being the best of the bunch, I'd rather if you stuck with your first sentence.
Not only to Skins fans is Owens a turd, but to most fans in general.
Talented, extremely.
Turd, Extremely

[XxSpearheadxX]

Bryant is a turd.

Not a crap WR.

Talent-wise and ability to produce, he is better than Randle El, Lloyd and Patten, IMO.

But that doesnt mean he isnt a turd.

Exactly why Gibbs and Co. didnt pursue him.

Exactly why a lot of teams didnt pursue him.

Exactly why Parcells cut him loose, and Crennel let him walk without thinking twice.

Its the same argument with Owens vs. whoever (S. Moss for this site's purposes).

Just about every Skins fan will take Moss over Owens even though Owens has produced more in the past, and will most likely produce more in the future.

But to Skins fans, Owens is a turd.

But it doesnt mean he isnt more talented that Moss.

I don't really think I am disrespecting your WR's when I say Bryant would be your #2 WR.

It's just that I think Bryant, when under control (ie not being a turd) is a game breaker who can put up some quality numbers.

Who would I rather have? Only Randle El over Bryant because of his extreme versatility in all aspects of the game.

But WR talent alone, Bryant is the best of the bunch.


No way does a 33 year old produce more in the remainder of his career than Moss does in the remainder of his career.

I think Lloyd is as talented as Bryant, but bryant is really good - I just have a feeling there has to be a little bit more there then just being turd, which he is, he must not have a good work ethic either or something. Maybe he's real stupid. TO may be a Turd but he is one of the hardest working NFL players ever and definately isn't stupid, football wise anyway.

[Skins4481]

No way does a 33 year old produce more in the remainder of his career than Moss does in the remainder of his career.

I think Lloyd is as talented as Bryant, but bryant is really good - I just have a feeling there has to be a little bit more there then just being turd, which he is, he must not have a good work ethic either or something. Maybe he's real stupid. TO may be a Turd but he is one of the hardest working NFL players ever and definately isn't stupid, football wise anyway.


I agree. No way in hell TO produces more in the future than Moss does. TO is past his prime. Moss is just entering his prime. I also agree with Lloyd being as good as Bryant, if not better. So no, Antonio Bryant would've been our #3. But Bryant is better than a 33-34 year old Terry Glenn. He would definitely be the Cowboys' #2.

[DWinzit]

We all seem to agree we are better off withhout Bryant.

So don't you think it is funny that Greg Ellis cops this attitude shortly after TO arrives?

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jealousy already setting in.

[DWinzit]

jealousy already setting in.
So who is next. Poor cowboys, it just isn't right.