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In-com-plete
June-15th-2006, 09:50 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2006-06-14-elite-db_x.htm
By Matt Pitzer, USA TODAY
NFL rules generally don't take cornerback's best interests to heart. Every round of rules changes seems to put them more on the defensive.
Games can turn on a single pass interference penalty. More stringent enforcement of illegal contact rules keep defensive backs on their heels. It all is designed to create more aggressive offenses and more big plays.
All those rules have helped make the classic shutdown cornerback an endangered species. And that is why Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey continues to stand out from his peers. Bailey is what every team is looking for, the rare defender who can take an opponents' best player out of a game.
"He's just cat-quick," Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall says of Bailey. "He can press receivers. He doesn't even really have to get his hands on them. He is so quick with his feet. He can break off with the receiver. A lot of corners can't get out of their breaks, and that's how receivers get the curls and out routes. A corner who is quick on his feet and take them coming out of a break is going to shut them down."
Bailey put those skills to good use last season, intercepting a career-high eight passes. He also came up with two of the Broncos' biggest defensive plays of the year.
In Week 2, after a disappointing season-opening loss at Miami, Denver was staring at a 14-3 deficit at home against San Diego and a 0-2 start when Bailey stepped in front of a Drew Brees pass and returned it 25 yards for a touchdown, sparking a 20-17 comeback victory. During Denver's 27-13 divisional playoff win against New England, with the Patriots at the Broncos' 5 and poised to take the lead in the third quarter, Bailey intercepted Tom Brady and returned the ball 100 yards to the New England 1. Mike Anderson scored on the next play to give the Broncos breathing room at 17-6.
"I don't go out of my way" to make big plays, Bailey says. "It's got to go with my role on the defense, but sometimes I'll see something that's about to happen and I trust my instincts. I mean, that's really why I'm here. I have the athletic ability, and I have those instincts to make those plays."
Bailey made enough of those plays to earn consideration as NFL Defensive Player of the Year — an award won by Chicago linebacker Brian Urlacher. Bailey did make his sixth consecutive Pro Bowl and was named to his second consecutive all-pro team.
All of that happened despite being plagued by hamstring and shoulder injuries and missing two games. He was visibly limited at times, most notably when Philadelphia's Terrell Owens burned him for a 91-yard catch-and-run Oct. 30 in Denver's 49-21 win. Those problems, however, did not affect Bailey's confidence, the trademark characteristic of an elite cornerback, even if he is not as brash as others at his position.
"There's certain ways you portray that attitude," Bailey says. "My way of doing it is just being consistent. If you pride yourself on being consistent, then you'll be OK. ... But that's definitely an attitude you have to have. Everybody can beat you at some time. But if you feel like you can be beat, then nine times out of 10, you will be beat."
Bailey says he continues to work on polishing his game and trying to improve. His sights are set high personally (Hall of Fame) and for the team (Super Bowl). He has settled in as a Bronco and has benefited from the stability of Denver's coaching staff after constant turmoil in Washington early in his career.
"Last year, I was in the same system for two consecutive years for the first time," Bailey says. "So three consecutive years, I can't even imagine how much better I'll be. So I'm just looking forward to improving that much more."
Goaldeje
June-15th-2006, 09:57 AM
Yay! Champ's the best, Clinton sucks! Yay! Yay!
pmo33
June-15th-2006, 09:59 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2006-06-14-elite-db_x.htm
By Matt Pitzer, USA TODAY
NFL rules generally don't take cornerback's best interests to heart. Every round of rules changes seems to put them more on the defensive.
Games can turn on a single pass interference penalty. More stringent enforcement of illegal contact rules keep defensive backs on their heels. It all is designed to create more aggressive offenses and more big plays.
All those rules have helped make the classic shutdown cornerback an endangered species. And that is why Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey continues to stand out from his peers. Bailey is what every team is looking for, the rare defender who can take an opponents' best player out of a game.
"He's just cat-quick," Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall says of Bailey. "He can press receivers. He doesn't even really have to get his hands on them. He is so quick with his feet. He can break off with the receiver. A lot of corners can't get out of their breaks, and that's how receivers get the curls and out routes. A corner who is quick on his feet and take them coming out of a break is going to shut them down."
Bailey put those skills to good use last season, intercepting a career-high eight passes. He also came up with two of the Broncos' biggest defensive plays of the year.
In Week 2, after a disappointing season-opening loss at Miami, Denver was staring at a 14-3 deficit at home against San Diego and a 0-2 start when Bailey stepped in front of a Drew Brees pass and returned it 25 yards for a touchdown, sparking a 20-17 comeback victory. During Denver's 27-13 divisional playoff win against New England, with the Patriots at the Broncos' 5 and poised to take the lead in the third quarter, Bailey intercepted Tom Brady and returned the ball 100 yards to the New England 1. Mike Anderson scored on the next play to give the Broncos breathing room at 17-6.
"I don't go out of my way" to make big plays, Bailey says. "It's got to go with my role on the defense, but sometimes I'll see something that's about to happen and I trust my instincts. I mean, that's really why I'm here. I have the athletic ability, and I have those instincts to make those plays."
Bailey made enough of those plays to earn consideration as NFL Defensive Player of the Year — an award won by Chicago linebacker Brian Urlacher. Bailey did make his sixth consecutive Pro Bowl and was named to his second consecutive all-pro team.
All of that happened despite being plagued by hamstring and shoulder injuries and missing two games. He was visibly limited at times, most notably when Philadelphia's Terrell Owens burned him for a 91-yard catch-and-run Oct. 30 in Denver's 49-21 win. Those problems, however, did not affect Bailey's confidence, the trademark characteristic of an elite cornerback, even if he is not as brash as others at his position.
"There's certain ways you portray that attitude," Bailey says. "My way of doing it is just being consistent. If you pride yourself on being consistent, then you'll be OK. ... But that's definitely an attitude you have to have. Everybody can beat you at some time. But if you feel like you can be beat, then nine times out of 10, you will be beat."
Bailey says he continues to work on polishing his game and trying to improve. His sights are set high personally (Hall of Fame) and for the team (Super Bowl). He has settled in as a Bronco and has benefited from the stability of Denver's coaching staff after constant turmoil in Washington early in his career.
"Last year, I was in the same system for two consecutive years for the first time," Bailey says. "So three consecutive years, I can't even imagine how much better I'll be. So I'm just looking forward to improving that much more."
good article.. i agree and i have always been a Champ fan....
In-com-plete
June-15th-2006, 10:01 AM
Yay! Champ's the best, Clinton sucks! Yay! Yay!
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
powerANDgut
June-15th-2006, 01:17 PM
It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL....
...who gets beat deep at least once a game
RyansRangers
June-15th-2006, 01:19 PM
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
Champ is the best cornerback on short routes.. He is the worst cornerback on the deep ball.. just ask every reciever in the league
Want to beat champ just run straight
Spartacus87
June-15th-2006, 06:31 PM
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL. Champ is the best corner in the NFL probably, I'd agree with that statement. He's not, contrary to the media/Denver Fans/Urban Legend, heads and shoulders above all the corners in the NFL though. Don't believe me? How about Roethlisberger going into Denver last year in the AFC title game and throwing for 2 TD's and 72% completion, one of those TD's on a play action near the 10 yard line that Champ completely bit at and left Hines Ward wide open in the endzone. He's pretty damn good, but he's not reinventing the CB position like some would like to believe.
And yeah, Champ & Tatum Bell really owns Portis. Besides the fact that Redskins fans would make that trade again in a heartbeat, or the fact that Tatum Bell can't block and can't really catch, nor could you ever put the game on Bell's shoulders to win it when it counts, and you know Shanahan would take Portis back in a split second.
FootballGuy2677
June-15th-2006, 06:36 PM
Woohoo!!!
Champ Bailey is a Hall Of Famer who will never lead his team to a Super Bowl.
Woohoo!!!
Clinton Portis is a Future Hall Of Famer who will lead his team to one or more Super Bowls and even has a shot to break the All-Time Leading Rushing Record.
tr1
June-15th-2006, 07:09 PM
It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
HHHHaaaaa...BWWAaaaahhhahahahahahhaa...
Hey, we saw Chump play...spectacular some games, owned the next...and sometimes out of sight.
Portis is younger, more durable and has made us forget about that whiny guy...
Oh, and he hasn't delivered you to the SB...and won't.
DWinzit
June-16th-2006, 06:05 AM
Although I don't see him as a HOFer, you must admit he did a great job while in DC. Also, I don't recall him bad mouthing the team to death like others after leaving. I always liked Champ!
Jon T.
June-16th-2006, 07:55 AM
Not a fan of Chump Bailey. Someone needs to take the Kool-Aid away from the reporter who wrote that. Chump is only the best run-stuffing corner in the NFL. He's great at that . . . at the expense of getting toasted on long passes. Plus, he got run down a by TE (Ben Watson). Whassup with that?!?
jimster
June-16th-2006, 08:07 AM
Everybody can beat you at some time. But if you feel like you can be beat, then nine times out of 10, you will be beat."
so what does that mean exactly?:insane:
RDSCNZ20
June-16th-2006, 08:14 AM
Champ is not the best the CB in the league.. right now i would take D A from Atlanta or McAllister from the ravens..
his ratio of the TDS to INT is like 1:1... he picks off a pass and then gets beat on TD..
everyone talks about his speed, foot work and quickness..
my question is..how come with all of those assets he alway falls down and gets beat..
i was not a fan of him in Georgia and i wasn't a fan of his in DC..
the only team he did well against was the Cardinals.. goodbye..peace..don't let the door hit you where it don't shine..
DWinzit
June-16th-2006, 08:22 AM
Not a fan of Chump Bailey. Someone needs to take the Kool-Aid away from the reporter who wrote that. Chump is only the best run-stuffing corner in the NFL. He's great at that . . . at the expense of getting toasted on long passes. Plus, he got run down a by TE (Ben Watson). Whassup with that?!?
The reporter definitely has wood for Champ and got nothin' on the Ben Watson thing. He made Champ look like a slow little guy.
Switchgear
June-16th-2006, 08:27 AM
There also seems to be a bit of amnesia about the play where Owens (muchs as I hate to give him credit) made Bailey look like a fool last year. At least Champ doesn't have to face the dreaded Amani Toomer twice a year anymore, that's probably what is making people think he's great now.
jnhay
June-16th-2006, 09:19 AM
Just because he's on another team doesn't mean he's not good anymore. I hate how he's the best CB in the league when he's here, then he sucks when he goes to Denver. And why are you guys bringing up Clinton Portis? The article says nothing about him.
In-com-plete
June-16th-2006, 10:02 AM
Champ is the best corner in the NFL probably, I'd agree with that statement. He's not, contrary to the media/Denver Fans/Urban Legend, heads and shoulders above all the corners in the NFL though. Don't believe me? How about Roethlisberger going into Denver last year in the AFC title game and throwing for 2 TD's and 72% completion, one of those TD's on a play action near the 10 yard line that Champ completely bit at and left Hines Ward wide open in the endzone. He's pretty damn good, but he's not reinventing the CB position like some would like to believe.
And yeah, Champ & Tatum Bell really owns Portis. Besides the fact that Redskins fans would make that trade again in a heartbeat, or the fact that Tatum Bell can't block and can't really catch, nor could you ever put the game on Bell's shoulders to win it when it counts, and you know Shanahan would take Portis back in a split second.
First, Shanny would love to have Portis back. Of all the NFL running backs, he probably fits our system the best. But I guarantee Shanahan would make that trade again. He just might not pick Tatum with that 2nd rd pick you guys gave us.
As for Champ getting beat in th AFCCG, it wasn't the play action he bit on. It was 3rd and 8 at our 12. Roethlisberger was in the shotgun. Denver was sending everyone including the cheerleaders because they had yet to get the slightest of pressure on the QB. Champ knows we're sending the house so, like all season long, the QB should get rid of it in a hurry. Only Big Ben had all the time in the world. He pump faked and Champ jumped the route. Cedric Wilson (not Hines Ward) changed directions and headed to the corner of the endzone where he'd be wide open. Champ did what he did all season long. He jumped the route, only this time the front 7 (and probably Lynch) didn't get to the QB.
I know Champ isn't the greatest CB ever. He's just the best playing the game right now. He's not the reason Big Ben converted 8 of their first 9 3rd downs. He's not the reason Denver lost. The d-line is and that TD pass to Cedric Wilson summed up Denvers game that day. Zero pressure on the QB.
In-com-plete
June-16th-2006, 10:13 AM
Woohoo!!!
Champ Bailey is a Hall Of Famer who will never lead his team to a Super Bowl.
Woohoo!!!
Clinton Portis is a Future Hall Of Famer who will lead his team to one or more Super Bowls and even has a shot to break the All-Time Leading Rushing Record.
Whatever dude. You think CBs lead their team to the SB? Did Deion lead SF and Dallas to the SB or did Young and Aikman?
And how do you know Denver won't make the SB before Champ retires and Washington will before Portis retires?
Great post btw. :rolleyes:
In-com-plete
June-16th-2006, 10:20 AM
HHHHaaaaa...BWWAaaaahhhahahahahahhaa...
Hey, we saw Chump play...spectacular some games, owned the next...and sometimes out of sight.
Portis is younger, more durable and has made us forget about that whiny guy...
Oh, and he hasn't delivered you to the SB...and won't.
Portis hasn't delivered you to the SB. I'm not going to say he won't because I honestly don't know. Neither does anyone.
And Champ never missed a start until this year. Portis was hurt both season in Denver. He missed one game in '02 and three in '03 because of injuries. Saying Portis is more durable is crazy.
jnhay
June-16th-2006, 01:45 PM
^ ^ ^Just to let you know, to avoid double and triple posts just copy and paste quote's.
D'Pablo
June-16th-2006, 02:38 PM
Portis hasn't delivered you to the SB. I'm not going to say he won't because I honestly don't know. Neither does anyone.
And Champ never missed a start until this year. Portis was hurt both season in Denver. He missed one game in '02 and three in '03 because of injuries. Saying Portis is more durable is crazy.
Champ definately had his share of injuries in DC. It was always "affecting" his play. Two years isn't enough to evaluate either player's susceptability to injury.
jrockster21
June-16th-2006, 03:02 PM
:bsflag:
Champ got run down by Ben Watson on that "spectacular play," and clearly fumbled the ball into the endzone. That should have been New England's ball on their own 20 yard line. His complete lack of hustle almost cost them that TD.
Champ is going to feel really stupid when the Joe Gibbs led Redskins win a superbowl before the Donkeys do.
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
:laugh: Well, for your viewing enjoyment, here are some pictures of Moss burning Chump at the probowl:
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2214356&postcount=2
mcnabb2freddie2k4
June-16th-2006, 03:22 PM
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
Clearly Sheldon Brown is the best cb in the NFL. The Broncos did rape the Skins in that trade though.
Skins4481
June-16th-2006, 07:04 PM
Clearly Sheldon Brown is the best cb in the NFL. The Broncos did rape the Skins in that trade though.
Yea you're right. Although Sheldon Brown is the Eagles #2 CB, he is the league's best CB...:rolleyes:
mcnabb2freddie2k4
June-16th-2006, 07:21 PM
Yea you're right. Although Sheldon Brown is the Eagles #2 CB, he is the league's best CB...:rolleyes:
On the Eagles there is no such thing as a number 1 or number 2 cb. Just the left cb and right cb.
whitskins
June-16th-2006, 07:24 PM
Clearly Sheldon Brown is the best cb in the NFL. The Broncos did rape the Skins in that trade though.
I can't figure out which of these statements is more laughable. Can anyone help me out? I'm stumped...
ArmchairRedskin
June-16th-2006, 07:33 PM
All I know is Philly gave up 24 pass TD's last year. Only 5 teams gave up more. Washington, who actually has the best secondary in the division, gave up 15. Only one team gave up fewer.
jrockster21
June-16th-2006, 07:40 PM
All I know is Philly gave up 24 pass TD's last year. Only 5 teams gave up more. Washington, who actually has the best secondary in the division, gave up 15. Only one team gave up fewer.
And it wasn't the Donkeys!! :laugh:
jrockster21
June-16th-2006, 07:41 PM
Clearly Sheldon Brown is the best cb in the NFL. The Broncos did rape the Skins in that trade though.
On the Eagles there is no such thing as a number 1 or number 2 cb. Just the left cb and right cb.
You are a troll and a homer. I shall dub thee tromer. Or maybe holl?? Let's vote on it!
Dallsux
June-16th-2006, 07:46 PM
Champ is the best cornerback on short routes.. He is the worst cornerback on the deep ball.. just ask every reciever in the league
Want to beat champ just run straight
Bingo. Just get behind him & all the QB has to do is drop the ball in your vicinity & you should be home free.
Dallsux
June-16th-2006, 07:50 PM
I can't figure out which of these statements is more laughable. Can anyone help me out? I'm stumped...
You'll drive yourself nuts trying to decypher the rantings of a moron. Let him continue to drool on himself...and walk away. ;)
:eaglesuck
Dallsux
June-16th-2006, 07:55 PM
Portis hasn't delivered you to the SB. I'm not going to say he won't because I honestly don't know. Neither does anyone.
And Champ never missed a start until this year. Portis was hurt both season in Denver. He missed one game in '02 and three in '03 because of injuries. Saying Portis is more durable is crazy.
Well, he's been more reliable for us than Champ ever was. Hurt or not, he has accomplished more here in less time then Champ did.
XxSpearheadxX
June-17th-2006, 07:35 AM
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
Yeah, Champ is up there, that is for sure. I like him, but to call the trade anything more than a wash... is well... ridiculous.
Clinton is just turning 25 and is in the company of like 2 or 3 other RBs in the history of the NFL. Don't forget that fantastic "adjustment" period champ had his first year there where he got toasted every other week.
Champ is one of my favorite players, and one of the few players who I wasn't sad to see go nor was a angry to see go - I realized he just didn't fit our transition at the time.
BigDRulez3141
June-17th-2006, 08:41 AM
Champ Baily is a good playmaking corner who does get beat a lot. He bites on the first move or pump fake every time to try to make the int. I would take him on my team anyday due to the amount of interceptions he gets from jumping on the first move, but he is not the best cover corner.
909997
June-17th-2006, 11:24 AM
I wanna see Santana one on one with Champ
tr1
June-17th-2006, 07:03 PM
Clearly Sheldon Brown is the best cb in the NFL. The Broncos did rape the Skins in that trade though.
Man, I thought other Eagle fans were bad, but you take the cake.
If anyone got raped last year, it was the Eagles...from SB to 6-10...last in the division.
Don't say 'best' when referring to a team that sucked last year.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You....are....too...funny....
Nice trophy case.
carlsbadd
June-17th-2006, 09:46 PM
Champ Baily is a good playmaking corner who does get beat a lot. He bites on the first move or pump fake every time to try to make the int. I would take him on my team anyday due to the amount of interceptions he gets from jumping on the first move, but he is not the best cover corner.
Hate to agree with a cowboys fan but.... you are right
jrockster21
June-18th-2006, 12:29 AM
I wanna see Santana one on one with Champ
I already posted a link to pictures of Santana smoking Chump in the probowl.
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2214356&postcount=2
TODD
June-18th-2006, 08:23 AM
One Champ article deserves another:
http://profootballreference.com/blog/wordpress/
Champ Bailey
Posted by Doug on Friday, June 16, 2006
I’m going to postpone further discussion of running back workloads until next week so I can have a bit more time to ponder all your comments.
While perusing the footballguys news blogger, I came across this article on Champ Bailey. This quote caught my eye:
Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey continues to stand out from his peers. Bailey is what every team is looking for, the rare defender who can take an opponents’ best player out of a game.
I got curious and checked it out. The #1 wide receivers for Denver’s opponents combined for 86 catches, 1253 yards, and 5 TDs last season. Not bad for someone who had been taken out of the game, and that doesn’t count Deion Branch’s 8-153-0 and Hines Ward’s 5-59-1 in the playoffs.
Wk Receiver Rec Yd TD
=============================
1 Chambers 5 40 0
2 McCardell 4 54 0
3 Kennison 8 112 0
4 J. Smith 5 109 1
5 S. Moss 8 116 0
6 Branch 7 87 0
7 Burress 6 84 1
8 Owens 3 154 1
10 R. Moss 6 87 1
11 Coles 6 62 0
12 K. Johnson* 6 54 1
13 Kennison 4 108 0
14 Mason 6 53 0
15 Evans** 2 5 0
16 R. Moss 5 72 0
17 McCardell 6 51 0
* - Glenn had 4-56-0
** - Moulds had 9-110-0
I realize that Bailey isn’t always covering the #1 guy and that lots of other factors are in play. And a quick glance at some play-by-play logs (like Owens in week 8 and Kennison in week 3) shows that some of these numbers were in garbage time.
I don’t really have a point. But now I’m curious. Fill me in, AFC West fans: is Bailey still the man, or is he coasting on reputation?
scruffylookin
June-18th-2006, 08:37 AM
Tatum Bell is a huge disappointment for Bronco fans. To say any different is a flat out lie. He's been hurt all the time and has yet to show he's more than a role player. The fact that he's fighting it out with Ron "the bust" Dayne only proves how bad he is.
If Bronco fans want to find out "who won" the trade compare these players and be honest.
Broncos got Champ Bailey and Tatum Bell.
Redskins got Clinton Portis and Shawn Springs.
Which two players have been more productive?
Which player literally carried his team to the playoffs?
Bottom line, the Broncos may (I'll repeat MAY) have "won" the trade at first. Giving up Portis and getting Roland and a 2nd round pick. But the Broncos have squandered their "win" by drafting a bust who's given them very little and the Redskins have pretty much offset the loss of Roland with their FA signing of Shawn Springs.
BigDRulez3141
June-18th-2006, 05:36 PM
Hate to agree with a cowboys fan but.... you are right
Lol I know, about both things lol.
manicd
June-18th-2006, 08:06 PM
Whatever dude. You think CBs lead their team to the SB? Did Deion lead SF and Dallas to the SB or did Young and Aikman?
And how do you know Denver won't make the SB before Champ retires and Washington will before Portis retires?
Great post btw. :rolleyes:
Don't get it. Is Champ now Deion Sanders? Damn, any Skin fan hates Deion, but he was WAY better than Roland. Also, I think we are sick and tired of these multi-millionaire cry babies. WAAAAHHH. I didn't get the respect I deserve. Boohoooo. Change my diaper!! Wahh, if I wasn't playing football I'd be curing cancer. Waah. Just Shut the **** up already. I'm glad the cry babies like Chump, Lavar, and Peirce are gone. What a bunch of spoiled brats.
andy hudson
June-19th-2006, 04:40 PM
Champ was a great skins player and ill have him back anytime, I stil got his number 24 shirt. Given the choice i would rather have Clinton Portis he is the future of the club.
MisterPinstripe
June-19th-2006, 04:52 PM
so what does that mean exactly?:insane:
He is explaining why he gets beat.
Originally Posted by In-com-plete
Everybody can beat you at some time. - This statement shows us that he indeed thinks he can get beat. He admits it right there.
But if you feel like you can be beat, then nine times out of 10, you will be beat." - And here he explains why he gets beat. Because of the above statement, he is saying he feels like he can be beat. And because of that 9 times out of ten he gets beat. :D
TheDirtbags
June-19th-2006, 05:08 PM
Okay Bottom Line
Cp Is Amazing
Champ Is Amazing
They Are Both Amazing
Both Teams Benefited From The Trade
This Is Good
Not Bad
TheDirtbags
June-19th-2006, 05:11 PM
I already posted a link to pictures of Santana smoking Chump in the probowl.
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2214356&postcount=2
I wanna see em race...mano y mano 40 yd dash
Swift
June-19th-2006, 09:44 PM
Portis is good, just not the best. And this has nothing to do with Portis. Or the fact that Champ & Tatum Bell > Portis. It's a thread showing that Champ is in fact the best CB in the NFL.
I actually disagree. I think Portis >> Champ & Tatum Bell. And it has less to do with athletic ability than leadership. As anybody who watched the Skins make the playoffs last year knows, Clinton took the team on his shoulders. I've never seen a man so determined to win, taking huge blows and dishing out his own. All heart.
Champ is arguably the top corner in the game right now. And Portis is probably "only" a top-5 back. But heart is more valuable than pure ability, IMO. One man with a passion to win can inspire an entire team. That's what Portis does. And as good as Champ is in terms of talent, that's something he never did while he was here on the Skins. That's not a knock against him... not many players have that kind of heart. But Portis does.
I would do that trade over again in a heartbeat. In fact, I'd give up even more than that if I had to. Portis is that special.
Thanks for the trade. Seriously. I think it worked out well for both teams.
Lil Kenzo
June-19th-2006, 09:53 PM
I think that, if they had to, both teams would do the trade all over again. Both are great at what they do. Both fit in with their teams. However, imagine what Champ could do under G. Williams system and imagine what Portis would be doing in Shanahan's system. But then again. We got a very good replacement in Springs and the Broncos still have Shanahan's system, which still produces.
FootballGuy2677
June-19th-2006, 09:56 PM
Just to let you know Bronco Fan... Clinton Portis is to Redskins Fans what LaDainian Tomlinson is to Chargers Fans. I do the Champ Bailey/Clinton Portis trade again in a heart beat.
Clinton Portis is the best thing thats happened to Washington since the last time we won a Super Bowl.(Not counting Joe Gibbs coming back to town)
909997
June-20th-2006, 02:37 PM
******************CHAMPS THE BEST**************************
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urWYvlo22yo&search=jerry%20porter
*********************YES HE IS*****************************
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::silly::silly::silly:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
ArmchairRedskin
June-20th-2006, 03:01 PM
******************CHAMPS THE BEST**************************
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urWYvlo22yo&search=jerry%20porter
*********************YES HE IS*****************************
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::silly::silly::silly:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Yeah, Champ was burnt nicely on that one. I also like the one of him covering Chad Johnson where he falls down, then gets up and claps his hands. Classic.
909997
June-20th-2006, 03:44 PM
Yeah, Champ was burnt nicely on that one. I also like the one of him covering Chad Johnson where he falls down, then gets up and claps his hands. Classic.
lolz ya
jnhay
June-25th-2006, 06:03 PM
Why can't more fans be like our own Jerry Gray?
Added Gray: "Athletic ability, quickness, technique--that's what it takes to play corner. That's what we keep preaching. If you want examples from other teams, look at players like Champ Bailey, DeAngelo Hall, Deltha O'Neal."
I also think people don't realize how many balls don't come Champ's way.
909997
June-25th-2006, 06:07 PM
Why can't more fans be like our own Jerry Gray?
Added Gray: "Athletic ability, quickness, technique--that's what it takes to play corner. That's what we keep preaching. If you want examples from other teams, look at players like Champ Bailey, DeAngelo Hall, Deltha O'Neal."
I also think people don't realize how many balls don't come Champ's way.
that was very random:laugh:
In-com-plete
June-26th-2006, 08:05 AM
One Champ article deserves another:
http://profootballreference.com/blog/wordpress/
Champ Bailey
Posted by Doug on Friday, June 16, 2006
I’m going to postpone further discussion of running back workloads until next week so I can have a bit more time to ponder all your comments.
While perusing the footballguys news blogger, I came across this article on Champ Bailey. This quote caught my eye:
Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey continues to stand out from his peers. Bailey is what every team is looking for, the rare defender who can take an opponents’ best player out of a game.
I got curious and checked it out. The #1 wide receivers for Denver’s opponents combined for 86 catches, 1253 yards, and 5 TDs last season. Not bad for someone who had been taken out of the game, and that doesn’t count Deion Branch’s 8-153-0 and Hines Ward’s 5-59-1 in the playoffs.
Wk Receiver Rec Yd TD
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1 Chambers 5 40 0
2 McCardell 4 54 0
3 Kennison 8 112 0
4 J. Smith 5 109 1
5 S. Moss 8 116 0
6 Branch 7 87 0
7 Burress 6 84 1
8 Owens 3 154 1
10 R. Moss 6 87 1
11 Coles 6 62 0
12 K. Johnson* 6 54 1
13 Kennison 4 108 0
14 Mason 6 53 0
15 Evans** 2 5 0
16 R. Moss 5 72 0
17 McCardell 6 51 0
* - Glenn had 4-56-0
** - Moulds had 9-110-0
I realize that Bailey isn’t always covering the #1 guy and that lots of other factors are in play. And a quick glance at some play-by-play logs (like Owens in week 8 and Kennison in week 3) shows that some of these numbers were in garbage time.
I don’t really have a point. But now I’m curious. Fill me in, AFC West fans: is Bailey still the man, or is he coasting on reputation?
Actually, Champ wasn't always on the #1 recievers. Plus he was hurt for many of those recievers (E. Kennison, J. Smith, S. Moss, and the second half against Branch when he got most of his yards). He wasn't on R. Moss on any of his catches the second time around and missed a tackle on TOs only catch on him that happened to go for like 90 yards.
Make excuses fellas. Champ's the best CB in the NFL right now and that's a fact. :laugh:
pimpumd
June-26th-2006, 08:33 AM
Champ's the best CB in the NFL right now and that's a fact. :laugh:
These are my favorite types of posts on internet message boards.
TK
June-26th-2006, 08:41 AM
Champ Bailey
Posted by Doug on Friday, June 16, 2006
I realize that Bailey isn’t always covering the #1 guy and that lots of other factors are in play. And a quick glance at some play-by-play logs (like Owens in week 8 and Kennison in week 3) shows that some of these numbers were in garbage time.
I don’t really have a point. But now I’m curious. Fill me in, AFC West fans: is Bailey still the man, or is he coasting on reputation?
Actually, Champ wasn't always on the #1 recievers. Plus he was hurt for many of those recievers (E. Kennison, J. Smith, S. Moss, and the second half against Branch when he got most of his yards). He wasn't on R. Moss on any of his catches the second time around and missed a tackle on TOs only catch on him that happened to go for like 90 yards.
www.rif.org (http://www.rif.org) :)
autograph
June-26th-2006, 09:00 AM
You can have our has beens. We robbed you of Portis and got Taylor as a replacement. We couldn't afford Champs ridiculous salary and got a better CB in the process. As you just said, Champ gets injured. You can't be a good CB sitting on the bench. Your boy is broken.
Sounds like your still mad about that second quarter and those 5 TDs. :logo:
tr1
June-26th-2006, 12:17 PM
Actually, Champ wasn't always on the #1 recievers. Plus he was hurt for many of those recievers (E. Kennison, J. Smith, S. Moss, and the second half against Branch when he got most of his yards). He wasn't on R. Moss on any of his catches the second time around and missed a tackle on TOs only catch on him that happened to go for like 90 yards.
Make excuses fellas. Champ's the best CB in the NFL right now and that's a fact. :laugh:
The best CB in the NFL would be a durable CB who usually plays......that's not Roland.
Leonard Washington
June-26th-2006, 12:37 PM
i think he's easily the best cb in the league (i don't know what that says about the rest of the league). he can't handle jump balls or broken routes but everything else he's very good.
Coooleeey
June-26th-2006, 01:21 PM
I still believe Champ became as good as he is from more than natural ability. He played along side of Darrell Green who taught him well.
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