Fire Grunfield!!!

[MoochieDC_86]

Please tell me how in the world a team with a strong need for a backup point guard passes up on arguably the best PG in the draft. Marcus Williams was only a freshman last year. He could be great off the bench for the Wiz. Grunfield is fluke. People give him credit for drafting Redd but that was most likely just luck. Anyone could have picked Redd in the second round...I am so blown......

[DonMagicJuan]

we dont need no BACK UP PG....man we have 3 PG's if u think about it(D.Taylor/Arenas/A.D) So there is no pure point guards on our team, but this is the PRINCETON OFFENSE, this isnt a regular NBA offense where the POINT runs things...this is ARENAS running the offense...OFFENSE GOES THRU ARENAS not the PG!

btw...chad ford said it best, i still have it copied

18 Washington Olexsiy Pecherov 6-11 222 PF Ukraine
The word was that the Wizards made a promise to Pecherov a while ago, so we knew this was coming. Pecherov is a talented player who reminds me a little of Keith Van Horn. He's big and he can rebound the ball. He also can step out and hit a 3-pointer. A nice pick for the Wizards. He's probably a year or two away (and could actually stay in Paris another year), but I like this pick the Wizards. With another year or two in Europe, he would've been a potential lottery pick.

do u feel any better? i think u should!

[Destino]

Please tell me how in the world a team with a strong need for a backup point guard passes up on arguably the best PG in the draft. Marcus Williams was only a freshman last year. He could be great off the bench for the Wiz. Grunfield is fluke. People give him credit for drafting Redd but that was most likely just luck. Anyone could have picked Redd in the second round...I am so blown......
We don't have a decent STARTING 4 or 5 and you want us to address the need of a BACK UP? lol

You're fired. Grun can stay.

[Newera]

All our bigs are projects.

[MoochieDC_86]

how many bigs do we need that arent big...u get my drift....there were no bigs available to fit our needs.....we need a backup point...trust me, I love Taylor but he will never be anywhere close to where Marcus Williams will be.....we atleast should have traded the pick for Magloire.

[MoochieDC_86]

exactly......u have to draft williams here.....he was and still is the best talent left in the draft....

[Warhead36]

I'm actually starting to like the Pecherov pick now.

He's a big who can rebound well and hit the open shot.

He fits our system nicely.

I just don't like how he will probably stay in Europe for another year or two but we can just let him develop there.

[MoochieDC_86]

We don't have a decent STARTING 4 or 5 and you want us to address the need of a BACK UP? lol

You're fired. Grun can stay.

Are u serious.....u think we have a decent starting 4 or 5 now.....he's not even gonna be playing for us next year...do you people even know what its like to be a Wizards fan living in DC

[909997]

Please tell me how in the world a team with a strong need for a backup point guard passes up on arguably the best PG in the draft. Marcus Williams was only a freshman last year. He could be great off the bench for the Wiz. Grunfield is fluke. People give him credit for drafting Redd but that was most likely just luck. Anyone could have picked Redd in the second round...I am so blown......
Why in the world do we need a backup PG? Why? Please tell me why? Arenas leads the league on most minutes played he’s on the field almost the whole game, he only misses like 2 4 minutes you want to draft a PG so he can play for 4 minutes a game?

[MoochieDC_86]

Even though I would like to see Arenas develop into a great PG and he is better with the ball in his hands...I think the team would benefit from having a true PG. Gilbert would kill at SG no matter what......u have to accept the fact that he still makes terrible passes....

[Mooka]

Exactly what I was thinking, bring Wes back! :laugh:

:doh:

[da#1skinsfan]

Hahaha bring wes back...hahahahahahaha!!!!!!! Best quote evar!

This was a great pick it looks like. We dont need ANOTHER guard. Gilbert is young, hes only getting better. He is our franchise player, and we're putting the franchise on his shoulder. A backup PG is NOT what we need. I say keep drafting big dudes....draft them every year, both rounds...one of them HAS to pan out. I like this pick.

[Destino]

Are u serious.....u think we have a decent starting 4 or 5 now.....he's not even gonna be playing for us next year...do you people even know what its like to be a Wizards fan living in DC
I think the team is building for *GASP* the long run. People around here just aren't used to a decent front office and are reacting badly to it. The team is not trying to make a run right now because everyone paying attention can tell you that without an inside game it's not going to work. Thus the draft has been used for high upside players that could fill a need in a big way.

[MoochieDC_86]

Im done trying to convince you guys...all I have to say is that this guy is a European version of Jamison

[909997]

Even though I would like to see Arenas develop into a great PG and he is better with the ball in his hands...I think the team would benefit from having a true PG. Gilbert would kill at SG no matter what......u have to accept the fact that he still makes terrible passes....

We have daniels we dont need a pure pg we need arenas he scores and he makes players scores. Washington led nba 2 years in a row haveing the highest scoreing trio.

[frankbones]

Im done trying to convince you guys...all I have to say is that this guy is a European version of Jamison

Have you watched the kid play ONE minute of ball(not counting the highlights you saw tonight)?

If not, you've exposed yourself as a dimwit with no credibility. I have no idea if this kid will pan out, but rebounding was definitely a need and this kid should provide some. But I'm not going to bash a pick of a player who I have never seen play.

I wonder what you would have said if we drafted Manu Ginobli a few years ago.

[MoochieDC_86]

yea highest scoring trio with no bigs.....lebron proved that you cant go anywhere with that combination....i wanted us to go big too but someone who could help right away....i had no idea that williams would be available.....if he wasnt there i would have no problem with the pick but its marcus williams.....you will see in a couple of years....

[frankbones]

yea highest scoring trio with no bigs.....lebron proofed that you cant go anywhere with that combination....i wanted us to go big too but someone who could help right away....i had no idea that williams would be available.....if he wasnt there i would have no problem with the pick but its marcus williams.....you will see in a couple of years....

If we needed cheap laptops then Williams probably would have been the pick

[frankbones]

You never answered my question BTW, have you seen Pecherov play?

[Bugs']

Im done trying to convince you guys...all I have to say is that this guy is a European version of Jamison

I don't think that is true....but even if it was, would that be a bad thing? I would take another young Jamison type player.

And there is obviously a reason everyone is passing on Marcus Williams.....he's a bad seed.

[Destino]

Look on the bright side - you could be a NY fan right now. lol Larry Brown is laughing at that pick you just know it.

[MoochieDC_86]

Maybe im overreacting because i really like Williams.....he could be good....I always wanted us to get Pau instead of Kwame....here is something I found..

This is what Scouts, Inc. wrote:


Scouts Inc. evaluation: Pecherov is one of the more intriguing big men in this year's draft. He finally has seen a lot of time in with Paris Racing, his first-division team in France. He has a lot of ability and good length and frame for a kid 21 years old. In addition, he can run the floor well for a big man.

Pecherov can use both hands, has an understanding of post offense and a very nice touch. He can shoot with range and will be a very good pick-and-pop big man in the NBA. His shooting range will put a lot of pressure on his opponent.

He must continue to work on his post game and not fall in love with just the perimeter shot. If he can develop a post game that he can use at the NBA level, he will be even more of a weapon.

With some time to develop, Pecherov can be a serviceable big man in the NBA. He will be a work in progress and will take some time to develop, but most big men in this league develop late. He could turn out to be similar to Nenad Krstic of the New Jersey Nets. The Nets held the rights to Krstic for a couple of years while he developed his game while playing for Partizan of the Serbian league.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Renaldo Balkman.

Balkman. BALK-Muhn.

What a dimwit. They could have had him at 29. What the hell? A 6-5 small forward. GENIUS!

[jbooma]

exactly......u have to draft williams here.....he was and still is the best talent left in the draft....

we have a point you know Arenas :doh:

we need bigs who can rebound and play D, period!!!!!!!

[jbooma]

Look on the bright side - you could be a NY fan right now. lol Larry Brown is laughing at that pick you just know it.

no kidding that was a freaking joke of a pick, the knicks are sinking, fast :D

[MoochieDC_86]

we have a point you know Arenas :doh:

we need bigs who can rebound and play D, period!!!!!!!

u don't think i know we have arenas.....:doh: ....if u read a little bit i said he would be a great backup PG

[MoochieDC_86]

one last comment...good rebounder in a european league means absolutely nothing in the NBA

[jbooma]

one last comment...good rebounder in a european league means absolutely nothing in the NBA

he dominated the under 21 US team so this guy is good

williams is not going to be a backup, he is to good to sit

[MoochieDC_86]

look at what NJ did.....he is going to sit

[jbooma]

look at what NJ did.....he is going to sit

yes but he can learn from one of the best PG's in the NBA :)

[frankbones]

look at what NJ did.....he is going to sit


yes but he can learn from one of the best PG's in the NBA :)

Who is also 33 and in his 15th season. Arenas is 24. A totally different situation. We have a veteran back-up PG, no need for another out of shape headcase like Kwame.


Still haven't answered my question.........

[mhd24]

The euroleague teams would kick the ***** out of any college team. Marcus Williams would not have fit in at all with the Wizards. He isn;t suited to a fastbreak team. WE ALREADY HAVE A BACKUP PG in Daniels. Plus, we are bringing in Navvarro this off-season.

[Bugs']

Plus, we are bringing in Navvarro this off-season.

Where did you hear this? Is that fact or your speculation? :)

[TheSteve]

I really do not get the Eurogasm. The ratio of American to Foriegn players in the draft is vastly superior to anything I see Europe putting in the NBA, yet they would kick all these college teams behinds? Why don't some of you think for yourselves instead of lapping up all the hype about the Euroleagues just because they beat us twice? but don't listen to reason, have a Eurogasm.

[Bugs']

I really do not get the Eurogasm. The ratio of American to Foriegn players in the draft is vastly superior to anything I see Europe putting in the NBA, yet they would kick all these college teams behinds? Why don't some of you think for yourselves instead of lapping up all the hype about the Euroleagues just because they beat us twice? but don't listen to reason, have a Eurogasm.

Yea, Tony Parker sucks....Nowitski sucks...Ginobli sucks....?

They all got drafted lower than they should of because most teams and organizations have not "bought" into the Europeans being as good. But, some of them are.

[TheSteve]

Yea, Tony Parker sucks....Nowitski sucks...Ginobli sucks....?

They all got drafted lower than they should of because most teams and organizations have not "bought" into the Europeans being as good. But, some of them are.

Nowhere did I say Euro's suck. I'm simply questioning the validity of the implication that just because the international competition is no longer a push over, that means they are superior. Defeat does not necessarily equal superiority.

But no, let's change our rules more and more to the Euro rules, and draft more and more euro players and maybe we'll be lucky to be at their level someday. :laugh:

[Warhead36]

The Spurs draft nothing but Euros. You don't think it works for them?

If we're even half as successful as the Spurs are with European draft picks I think we'd all be jumping up and down.

[MoochieDC_86]

Grunfield will make me feel a whole lot better if we draft Marcus Slaughter out of San Diego State..actually scratch that.....pops....or whoever...it doesnt matter

[mhd24]

You know Bargnani's team beat the Raptors in a pre-season game a couple of years ago right. The euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world. They have men playing in it. Any euroleague team would dominate a college team.

[TheSteve]

You know Bargnani's team beat the Raptors in a pre-season game a couple of years ago right. The euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world. They have men playing in it. Any euroleague team would dominate a college team.

Were they playing FIBA or NBA rules?

And what you said is key - they're men. Sorry but I don't buy that the Euro's have a superior brand of basketball. But everyone else is free to give them massive love.


The Spurs draft nothing but Euros. You don't think it works for them?

If we're even half as successful as the Spurs are with European draft picks I think we'd all be jumping up and down.
The Spurs draft Euro's not because they necessarily think they are better players to such a large extent, but because the Euro's come with less baggage. I think it was Popovich who said the problem(in his opinion) with many American draftees is they've been coddled and courted by agents, shoe companies, and other endorsement deals and by the time they reach the NBA level they're left with a sense of entitlement and are thus harder to deal with.(paraphrase).

Basically the Spurs draft Euro's because they're less of a headache not because they outclass American basketball.

[CowboyzBsuckaz]

we didn't draft williams because we don't want thug stealing criminals on our team with horrible character

[Newera]

We need bigs that can pop and shoot and put the ball on the floor and get to the rack -- particularly in our Princeton style offense. They will make the "Big Three" even more effective, but guys like that will get all kinds of good looks.

Smart pics. We are patterning ourselves to the old Sac Kings when they were really good like three years ago.

I would like to get Navvarro now. And, perhaps, a defender and rebounder.

Look at our bigs, Thomas, Haywood, and Ruffin. No offensive game whatsoever. I mean half azz games at best. Already these two dudes have more offensive skill then any of our bigs.

Don't forget the development of Blatche too!

[Res_Novae]

Who cares about Williams, we passed on Boone. He was a great fit, he's a big, strong bigman that has a decent touch on the offensive side and can stop on the defensive side as well. Plus, he could play this coming year.

I hope we pick up Pops/Pittsnogle/both in Free Agency. They are decent, come off the bench big men that we need (you can't tell me Pops is not better than Ruffin, and Pittsnogle is probably offesnively better than any of our big men outside of Jamison.)

[NotInOurHouse]

Id rather have Darius Washington than Williams as backup point

[clathel]

Six things I need to say:
1. DW could not hold Williams jock strap.
2. The Spurs draft European because they know the quality of players an have a great scouting department over there and they know that the players over there play sound fundamentals unlike coddled NCAA kids.
3. Please note that the kids in Europe are usually the same age as anyone else in the draft....they just act more like men.
4. I think, in 5-10 years we will have 2 drafts....NCAA and International and the NCAA will have less good players with staying power in the league.
5. We cant win in international competition now....We are too spoiled and lazy and scared of getting hurt in a world competition and endangering careers.
6. We cant send our best players to represent us because of the above reasons and our best have no national pride.

[Newera]

We can't even beat Euro's anymore in basketball. Cuz, the play team basketball. Such players fit the Princeton scheme and concept.

We are patterning ourselves after the Sac Kings of three and four years ago. Our team is centered around the big three. However, we have added three players with length that have both inside and out games. Two euro's and Blatche.

I've always thought that style of player had always been missing from our team. Well, no more. I hope we can sign that African guy from Hartford, the rebounding beast who's idle is Ben Wallace. And, maybe either Gansay or Pittsnogle, and the dude at GW.

[Mooka]

We can't even beat Euro's anymore in basketball. Cuz, the play team basketball. Such players fit the Princeton scheme and concept.
5. We cant win in international competition now....We are too spoiled and lazy and scared of getting hurt in a world competition and endangering careers.
6. We cant send our best players to represent us because of the above reasons and our best have no national pride. Come on guys, don't be rediculous.

The days of the NBA stars getting together and rolling over teams like Argentina who have been playing together for years is over. That doesn't mean when we make it a priority to practice and field a decent team that we won't dominate again. Just gotta learn FIBA basketball a bit more, mainly how to deal with the landing strip lane and the officiating.

[Nighthawk]

It's easier to draft Euro's when you're drafting late in the first round like the Spurs always do. You can take a chance on a guy and let him develop overseas or if need be, ride the bench until he's ready. If he's able to contribute right away then it's just gravy.

[PapaDRoc]

I'm not too crazy about our draft picks last night, because we drafted two guys that it seems to me won't even step on the court until next season. The Wizards always seem to be drafting projects like these and have not really had a good draft pick in years.

However, anyone who thinks we should fire EG is ignorant. He is the sole reason of why this team is a playoff basketball team from a consistent loser just 3 years ago. You can disagree with the draft picks but please, don't hate on EG (the guy who has rebuilt this franchise.)

[Gamebreaker]

Six things I need to say:
1. DW could not hold Williams jock strap.
2. The Spurs draft European because they know the quality of players an have a great scouting department over there and they know that the players over there play sound fundamentals unlike coddled NCAA kids.
3. Please note that the kids in Europe are usually the same age as anyone else in the draft....they just act more like men.
4. I think, in 5-10 years we will have 2 drafts....NCAA and International and the NCAA will have less good players with staying power in the league.
5. We cant win in international competition now....We are too spoiled and lazy and scared of getting hurt in a world competition and endangering careers.
6. We cant send our best players to represent us because of the above reasons and our best have no national pride.

1. I could care less
2. Popovich actually stated his reasons for drafting many Euros was because they're more mature and respond to coaching better.
3. They're also softer, and take a little bit of team to adjust to the more physical NBA. Most never really adjust.
4. That will NEVER happen.
5. Whatever. You have no idea what you're talking about. We've got some real ballers on the new USA team, and unlike the last one, it's an ACTUAL TEAM and not a collection of all-stars who all have the same strengths and weaknesses.
6. By the time the Olympics starts again, Arenas will be among the Top 5 players in the league. I would say your statement is false. AI wanted to go back badly, that guy oozes national pride. Just because some all-stars are too selfish to do something for their country, doesn't mean the rest of the league is.

[Gamebreaker]

Just gotta learn FIBA basketball a bit more, mainly how to deal with the landing strip lane and the officiating.

Exactly. But their really isn't anything wrong with the officiating. Unlike the NBA, the refs don't give out free passes to famous players. They won't allow Dwayne Wade and Lebron James to get away with traveling 2-3 times a quarter. They won't allow our bigs to throw an elbow into someone's chest before taking a shot. Stern's quest for making a better "product" has ruined our players, who are too accustomed to NBA refereeing than REAL BASKETBALL refereeing.

[Gamebreaker]

I like the guy we drafted, I just wish he would be playing for us now. I'm tired of seeing the Wiz draft a guy and then he never seems to ever actually put on a uniform and play.

[Rocky21]

Good to know a 20 year old fan knows more about pro basketball than an NBA general manager.

I can't say I'm surprised that some jackass with less than 50 posts that I've never seen in this forum before would fire off a fire EG post. :doh:

If you follow the NBA you knew we were gonna draft a big and Pecherov was the highest rated big man when we picked in the 1st round.

[XxSpearheadxX]

how many bigs do we need that arent big...u get my drift....there were no bigs available to fit our needs.....we need a backup point...trust me, I love Taylor but he will never be anywhere close to where Marcus Williams will be.....we atleast should have traded the pick for Magloire.


You don't know that AND Marcus Williams was NOT a freshman dummy. Not to mention he ballooned to a big fatty right before the draft.

If you can't stay in shape when you are constantly being prodded and poked and your career is on the line, what will you be able to do during the season? Steal Laptops?:laugh:

[arenasisgod]

Euros are a foreign currency.

[Warhead36]

It's good to know my laptop is safe.

[Skinned]

First off, Donnell Taylor showed a lot last year for being an undrafted rookie. He made the team when we really didn't have roster spots open. He deserves the opportunity to continue to grow and not just be pushed aside for a bigger name PG who fell like a rock (and we don't have a need for). Also, PG's are the easiest position to replace. There aren't many stars out there, but there are tons of serviceable ones out there (i.e. Brevin Knight) so there is never a dire need unless the guy is a bonafide star in the making.

Second, Ernie commands respect after the moves he made to bring us back to respectability. We actually have talented youth being groomed to add to our already strong and youthful lineup. We are positioned well for the future. We just need to develop some solid bigs or find a hungry vet through free agency (not Samaki Walker again!).

Third, other than the commentators speculating that Pecherov may play abroad next year, has anyone officially heard this from Pecherov or the Wiz? I can't see him not being with the Wiz next year for 2 reasons:

1) With Gil saying that he might opt out if we don't keep moving forward and progressing, I can't see us not bringing in our 1st rounder.

2) He was at the draft last night. Isn't this an indication that he wants to come to the NBA right away? There are plenty of Euros who make themselves available for the draft but don't show up for it, because they have no intention of playing here anytime soon.

:2cents:

[Funkyalligator]

Why Pecherov will probably stay in Europe....he is playing in the second best league in the world....we already have 12 players signed to contracts.....he will play a lot more over there and will have the wiz training staff and stuff guiding him as he builds up his strength.....I want him to stay there, he will be able to develop his game better especially when the coaches here design a skill set for him to develop...

[Warhead36]

Secret Agent Ernie.....


nbadraft.net on June 4th...


Ukraine forward Oleksiy Pecherov had a very strong workout against Hilton Armstrong, one scout described it as Pecherov absolutely destroyed Armstrong. With teams in the late lottery intrigued, look for Pecherov to go somewhere in the 12-18 range.

Then the cover up on June 8th...


One clarification, in the last draft buzz we made the statement that a scout had said that Oleksiy Pecherov had destoyed Hilton Armstrong in a workout. After speaking with a member of the Washington Wizards staff it was likely an erroneous statement as the representative said that both players showed well in the workout.

SUBTERFUGE!!! I love Ernie.

[Rocky21]

Thanks Warhead. That's good info.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Please tell me how in the world a team with a strong need for a backup point guard passes up on arguably the best PG in the draft. Marcus Williams was only a freshman last year. He could be great off the bench for the Wiz. Grunfield is fluke. People give him credit for drafting Redd but that was most likely just luck. Anyone could have picked Redd in the second round...I am so blown......

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was SWEATING at the thought of Williams dropping to the Wiz and then HE DID!!!!!!!! My brother was telling me it was too good to be true(being a wack ass Wizards fan and all) and BAM, Grunfeld drafts fukkin' THAT guy?

Let me tell you something right now. Gilbert Arenas is a GREAT guard. He's GREAT. But he's NOT a point guard!!!!!! He's a natural SHOOTING GUARD! We coulda had THEEEEEE best PG in the draft!!!!!!!! We settle for a PROJECT "big man" from Europe who won't be ready this season and might take 2-3 years to become even a marginal player!!!!! Williams woulda been RIGHT THERE!!!!!! I can't believe this shyt...

Williams/Arenas backcourt coulda been DEADLY in a year or two... You KIDDING ME? Grunfeld? You hear me?! What a complete and utter joke!!!!!!

He coulda built the team around our three perimiter players. Williams/Arenas/Butler. Trade Jamison/Jeffries/Haywood/Thomas/ANY of those scrubs and build up... NEVER draft need!!!!!! Williams was the best player available and he's a PG!!!!!! Arenas will NEVER lead us to the promised land moonlighting at the PG spot. You don't average 30 ppg as a true PG. What a HORRIBLE botched draft. I'm so upset(as you can see). NEVER in my wildest dreams would I think Williams could EVER slip to the Wizards...

I HATE the Wizards!!!!!!!!!

[method man]

You know Bargnani's team beat the Raptors in a pre-season game a couple of years ago right. The euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world. They have men playing in it. Any euroleague team would dominate a college team.

No Maccabi Tel-Aviv, not Bennetton Trevison, defeated the Raptors. As a matter of fact, I am interested in signing one or maybe even two of the three Maccabi Tel-Aviv stars to the Wizards.

[hands11]

Good to know a 20 year old fan knows more about pro basketball than an NBA general manager.

I can't say I'm surprised that some jackass with less than 50 posts that I've never seen in this forum before would fire off a fire EG post. :doh:

If you follow the NBA you knew we were gonna draft a big and Pecherov was the highest rated big man when we picked in the 1st round.


:laugh:

I told you guys we need to get them to add a regulation tool so newbies cant post. :laugh:

[hands11]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was SWEATING at the thought of Williams dropping to the Wiz and then HE DID!!!!!!!! My brother was telling me it was too good to be true(being a wack ass Wizards fan and all) and BAM, Grunfeld drafts fukkin' THAT guy?

Let me tell you something right now. Gilbert Arenas is a GREAT guard. He's GREAT. But he's NOT a point guard!!!!!! He's a natural SHOOTING GUARD! We coulda had THEEEEEE best PG in the draft!!!!!!!! We settle for a PROJECT "big man" from Europe who won't be ready this season and might take 2-3 years to become even a marginal player!!!!! Williams woulda been RIGHT THERE!!!!!! I can't believe this shyt...

Williams/Arenas backcourt coulda been DEADLY in a year or two... You KIDDING ME? Grunfeld? You hear me?! What a complete and utter joke!!!!!!

He coulda built the team around our three perimiter players. Williams/Arenas/Butler. Trade Jamison/Jeffries/Haywood/Thomas/ANY of those scrubs and build up... NEVER draft need!!!!!! Williams was the best player available and he's a PG!!!!!! Arenas will NEVER lead us to the promised land moonlighting at the PG spot. You don't average 30 ppg as a true PG. What a HORRIBLE botched draft. I'm so upset(as you can see). NEVER in my wildest dreams would I think Williams could EVER slip to the Wizards...

I HATE the Wizards!!!!!!!!!

Then please go away. No one benefits from reading uninsightful unintelligent posts anyway. Ciao.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Then please go away. No one benefits from reading uninsightful unintelligent posts anyway. Ciao.

You'll see, old geez.

[Mooka]

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was SWEATING at the thought of Williams dropping to the Wiz and then HE DID!!!!!!!! My brother was telling me it was too good to be true(being a wack ass Wizards fan and all) and BAM, Grunfeld drafts fukkin' THAT guy?

Let me tell you something right now. Gilbert Arenas is a GREAT guard. He's GREAT. But he's NOT a point guard!!!!!! He's a natural SHOOTING GUARD! We coulda had THEEEEEE best PG in the draft!!!!!!!! We settle for a PROJECT "big man" from Europe who won't be ready this season and might take 2-3 years to become even a marginal player!!!!! Williams woulda been RIGHT THERE!!!!!! I can't believe this shyt...

Williams/Arenas backcourt coulda been DEADLY in a year or two... You KIDDING ME? Grunfeld? You hear me?! What a complete and utter joke!!!!!!

He coulda built the team around our three perimiter players. Williams/Arenas/Butler. Trade Jamison/Jeffries/Haywood/Thomas/ANY of those scrubs and build up... NEVER draft need!!!!!! Williams was the best player available and he's a PG!!!!!! Arenas will NEVER lead us to the promised land moonlighting at the PG spot. You don't average 30 ppg as a true PG. What a HORRIBLE botched draft. I'm so upset(as you can see). NEVER in my wildest dreams would I think Williams could EVER slip to the Wizards...

I HATE the Wizards!!!!!!!!! Chalk up another one for the movement!

Bring Wes back baby! :thumbsup:

[Skins11]

Yeah, let's fire the guy who took us from being the laughingstock of the league to being a repeat playoff team. I think you should be fired from the board. :rolleyes:

[Gamebreaker]

My brain cells are dying just reading some of the garbage in here. :doh:

[jtyler42]

My brain cells are dying just reading some of the garbage in here. :doh:

Really I cant believe I actually read all of the posts in this thread...

I like the picks b/c we actually drafted 2 SKILLED big men...We are going to be a big/long , young and athletic team in yrs to come...

Projected Lineup in 2yrs...(All of them will be in or just entering their prime yrs)

PG: Arenas 6'3
SG: Butler 6'8
SF: Blatche 6'11/7'0
PF: Petcherov 6'11
C: Ramos 7'3

How can you not like that? Imagine the match-up problems we would pose to other teams w/4 players that can shoot, post up, or put the ball on the floor...

[frankbones]

This thread belongs in the Stadium.

:)

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Really I cant believe I actually read all of the posts in this thread...

I like the picks b/c we actually drafted 2 SKILLED big men...We are going to be a big/long , young and athletic team in yrs to come...

Projected Lineup in 2yrs...(All of them will be in or just entering their prime yrs)

PG: Arenas 6'3
SG: Butler 6'8
SF: Blatche 6'11/7'0
PF: Petcherov 6'11
C: Ramos 7'3

How can you not like that? Imagine the match-up problems we would pose to other teams w/4 players that can shoot, post up, or put the ball on the floor...

Because Ramos sucks, Blatche hasn't shown me ANYTHING, and Oleksiy is a major project... :doh:

[Gamebreaker]

Because Ramos sucks, Blatche hasn't shown me ANYTHING, and Oleksiy is a major project... :doh:

Fine. Be negative about everything. Just because Blatche hasn't shown YOU anything, as if you are anyone to impress, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to be a starter on a team with a poor frontcourt. Oleksiy isn't a major project, every scouting report I've seen of him thinks he can help a team next season.

[Bugs']

I know I am not helping by posting now.....but I really wish this thread would die...

[Destino]

Because Ramos sucks, Blatche hasn't shown me ANYTHING, and Oleksiy is a major project... :doh:
Where are you getting this major project crap? Seriously, everything I've read says you could bring him in now if the team wanted to. If you haven't caught on yet THIS wizards team (the one that actually wins) takes a longer approach. We don't rush guys into the lineup and we develop talent.

The team you want is the previous franchise, the one that always tried to be great right away and never had patience. That mentality gave us a humiliating franchise and gave the Pistons a title.

[galentjm]

Where are you getting this major project crap? Seriously, everything I've read says you could bring him in now if the team wanted to. If you haven't caught on yet THIS wizards team (the one that actually wins) takes a longer approach. We don't rush guys into the lineup and we develop talent.

The team you want is the previous franchise, the one that always tried to be great right away and never had patience. That mentality gave us a humiliating franchise and gave the Pistons a title.

:applause: :applause: