To all you PJ Haters - AKA Lets give Leksy a chance

[XxSpearheadxX]

First off I've been reading that oleksy plays nasty, so that is good. Plus he is a very effective dunker who has two low post moves - a very good turnaround and dunks.



Read Consors' analysis and notice that PJ Ramos is noted as a Top Ten Pick if he was a 20 year old coming out this year. Just like I said he would!
(I rule :silly: )

Ernie Grunfeld was NOT the GM of Milwaukee that year.

Consor's Analysis: Pecherov NBA ready as a rebounder, but can stick the jumper. Is a very versatile 6'11 player - he runs the floor and can pull out bigs, with great quickness. With Andray Blatche , and Peter John Ramos coming on strong, Pecherof could take some time to develop, put on muscle, and gain experience.
It has been stated by many NBA scouts that if Peter John was coming out this year he would be a lottery pick. Wizards love the way Pecherov from the Ukraine moves and runs the floor, great upside, with strength, a Pau Gasol type player. Solid pick and emphasis the on fact that Ernie loves the core players on this team. Passed on Marcus Williams, Josh Boone, and Alexander Johnson. Wiz looking towards the future - the right pick here

[LiveStrongSkins]

Hearing him compared to Pau Gasol is soothing to my ears. Imagine that type of player to take over when Jamisons contract expires and the ability to add a top tier free agent in 2 seasons when we only have 31 million tied up.

[icbmayday]

I always thought PJ was going 2 be good the guy came over here with just natural talent and not to much knowledge of the game. Ernie knows what hes doing and just because we might not see these guys on the court last year they might be on there next year because we could use any big men after how horrible and soft our big men are.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Here is a report from a conversation some scouts had after a one on one workout between Hilton Armstrong And Leksy


Ukraine forward Oleksiy Pecherov had a very strong workout against Hilton Armstrong, one scout described it as Pecherov absolutely destroyed Armstrong. With teams in the late lottery intrigued, look for Pecherov to go somewhere in the 12-18 range.



He destroyed the Big East defensive PoY? I like that.

I hear he is more athletic than reported too, a lot of sites are saying he has "good" athleticism, but I hear he really has explosive leaping ability (especially for a whitey) and can bounce 2-3 times quickly for rebounds.

That is something we are missing also.

[arenasisgod]

He's obviously the Ukranian Wes Unseld.

[Skinned]

I thought PJ had regressed when I saw him during pre-season last year and that was disappointing. I hope that all the positives I keep hearing now are a result of some maturation from playing against better competition in the NBDL as well as getting older and more experienced.

If Ramos has improved and Pecherov can develop into a Gasol-type player, we may truly be set in the front court for years to come.... (it's a big IF, I know)

[Warhead36]

The pick is growing on me. I like that we finally have a big who can shoot. I also love the fact that we could potentially have a lineup of Arenas, Jeffries, Butler, Blatche, and Pecherov. 3 guys over 6'10'' and they all have handles? SICK matchup problem.

Let him stay in Europe for another year or two and develop. European competition is much tougher than the D-League.

[Funkyalligator]

How tall is Ramos now? I heard he was 7 4 and had filled out a lot.....

[DonMagicJuan]

7-4? where u get that from?

[GOSKINS_08]

Hopefully these big men we got can produce...SOON

[XxSpearheadxX]

The pick is growing on me. I like that we finally have a big who can shoot. I also love the fact that we could potentially have a lineup of Arenas, Jeffries, Butler, Blatche, and Pecherov. 3 guys over 6'10'' and they all have handles? SICK matchup problem.

Let him stay in Europe for another year or two and develop. European competition is much tougher than the D-League.


From what I heard Jay Bilas say and what I've read, Oleksiy is considered "NBA Ready" he just needs experience to reach his potential.

The other kid, Veermeenko, needs another year or two though.

I think Oleksiy would have to disappoint while playing with Andray and Donnel in Vegas for him not to be given a contract.

That's what I've heard though - anyone who thinks Pecherov is a "Project" is wrong, he is ready to play, he just needs to not be 20 years old and work out in the gym to hit his full potential.

I don't know if he will ever get as muscular and thick as Andray will eventually, not exactly the frame for it, but he is very strong for his size and really is a good jumper.

[XxSpearheadxX]

PJ was 7'3" 230 when we drafted him, he's grown 3/4 of an inch and now weighs 278 pounds.

He is ripped PJ doesn't seem to have hardly any body fat from what I saw, not quite as much muscle as Etan - but I think that Etan is too ripped and that is why he is always pulling muscles.

PJ dominated some games in the NBDL, from watching him play he is a much more impressive physical specimen than Aldridge or Obryant.

He has very good hands, big hands and can palm the ball over his head and catch it with one hand easily.

He is very quick for a big man now, very aggressive, his feet are quick but he still needs to work a little on his instincts, sometimes he was just way out of position.

He dunks really really nasty, and will take it up on anyone from what I saw. He dominated Pavel Podkolzin, the 7'4" Russian the Mavericks drafted in the 1st round the same year we drafted PJ with the 1st pick in the 2nd round.

The three things that impressed me so much with PJ that I started the PJ is a lotto pick thread are:

1) He jumps quickly and fast - like how shaq and Alonzo were so big but could leap explosively - PJ is the same way (I am not saying he is Shaq though)

2) He has humongous hands but still shoots pretty well (not very well from the charity stripe though) he catches the ball very very well, especially impressive when he is running lanes on the break - which he does well. He moves like a 6'9" guy, it is really impressive to watch.

3) His aggressiveness in blocking shots and dunking is contagious and seemed to give the Dazzle players a level of confidance when he was in the game.

Now he made his share of mistakes, but when I was watching him I was thinking to myself, jesus this guy is 20 years old, he has gotten so much better. He would be a top ten pick in this upcoming draft.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Peter John Ramos is a BUM. You hear me? A BUM. Who the hell would draft him in the lottery? If he was available this year he'd still be a #2. If he was coming along so nicely he woulda played for our HORRIBLE frontcourt last year...
What a joke...

[XxSpearheadxX]

Peter John Ramos is a BUM. You hear me? A BUM. Who the hell would draft him in the lottery? If he was available this year he'd still be a #2. If he was coming along so nicely he woulda played for our HORRIBLE frontcourt last year...
What a joke...


Have you seen him play? I have. He is 20 years old, younger than two of the bigmen drafted top 10.

He is not a bum, you sound like you are retarded.


He was a dominate big man in the NBDL against some of the best basketball players in the world.

He would have killed in the NCAA - so WHAT if he wasn't ready for proball yet?

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Have you seen him play? I have. He is 20 years old, younger than two of the bigmen drafted top 10.

He is not a bum, you sound like you are retarded.


He was a dominate big man in the NBDL against some of the best basketball players in the world.

He would have killed in the NCAA - so WHAT if he wasn't ready for proball yet?

:doh:
He dominated? Yeah, I've seen him play. He sucks. I won't complain because he was a 2nd rounder.

[XxSpearheadxX]

:doh:
He dominated? Yeah, I've seen him play. He sucks. I won't complain because he was a 2nd rounder.

Yes dominated. Albeit inconsistantly. He was named player of the week in the NBDL twice. He had stupid turnovers. You know, the same kind of stuff Lemarcus Aldridge and Patrick Obryant did against less physically mature big men. The "big men" those two played against were a far cry from the talent Ramos faced on a nightly basis.

He averaged 15 points, 8 rebounds and 2.1 blocks or something in the NBDL in 22 minutes a game.

Everyone who knows about him says he could very well have been considered a top 3 big man in this draft, if not the top 1. Most say he would have at least been a lock for a Lotto pick this year.

I don't understand you or the certain guys on 980 who bash PJ (who is still just a kid), do you think every high school kid who comes in the NBA is Lebron James? Well in case you didn't know, the reason why people make such a big deal about him is that he was able to compete at a high level with NBA players - straight out of HS. It is amazing. Even Garnett and Kobe had slow starts in their rookie years before they took off to 20 points a game.

I'm assuming you aren't tall either, but for those of us that are it is much harder to grow into our bodies and gain coordination, big men always develop slow - and Ramos is just about ready.

Haywood and Etan are bums, but they would be HORRIFIC if they were overtaken by what was a gangly 18 year old in 04 and a teenager still learning the game, let alone a complicated Pro Offense like Jordan's, or the quick defensive rotations that most on the Wiz's roster struggle with as mature players now, when Ramos was 19 and 20 in 05.


Ramos would be going into his Junior year of College this upcoming fall.
So why is he a Bum because he can't get rotational minutes on a playoff team in the NBA? I'm sure you noticed how freaking talented and athletic Andray is and he couldn't get minutes, you know why? Because for every rebound, blocked shot and slam dunk he would screw up an offense that he hadn't practiced enough and make a rookie mistake.



If draft picks could have played in the NBA the year before they entered the draft, they would have entered the draft the year before!

I just can't believe that you really saw him play in the NBDL this year - from hearing you talk it sounds like you saw him in garbage time during his rookie year - If say you have, well, I don't know what player you were watching then because it wasn't the same as me - and I trust my ability to grade basketball talent very much so. Especially one that I've actually seen play against older more mature athletes and not just seen highlights on the Internet about.

He had plenty of maturity problems (as was noted in his 2004 pre-draft scouting), but it sounds like he is growing up (as 19 year olds are apt to do when they turn 20, 21, 22 etc.) and he definitely has been working on his game a hell of a lot. To call him a bum before he was even projected to play is not only unfair to him, but just plain silly.

Ramos' stint in the minor leagues is up - he played his 2 years down there as was planned by the Wizards when they drafted him - those two years were his "college experience" in addition to his time playing pro-ball in Costa Rica as a 16 year old kid from Brooklyn New York. He was a very poor young man from a very poor family- hence he played pro ball in Costa Rica instead of playing HS ball in NYC.

Now his NBDL eligibility is up, he is a 20 year old extremely athletic 7'3" 278 pound "rookie" center who has a certain element of the Radio media, message boards and fans calling him a bum. Thats a real great way to support our players.

I sure hope he reads stuff like this and hear's Tom Lavaro talk on the radio.
He must be used to it by now.

[TheDirtbags]

Yes dominated. Albeit inconsistantly. He was named player of the week in the NBDL twice. He had stupid turnovers. You know, the same kind of stuff Lemarcus Aldridge and Patrick Obryant did against less physically mature big men. The "big men" those two played against were a far cry from the talent Ramos faced on a nightly basis.

He averaged 15 points, 8 rebounds and 2.1 blocks or something in the NBDL in 22 minutes a game.

Everyone who knows about him says he could very well have been considered a top 3 big man in this draft, if not the top 1. Most say he would have at least been a lock for a Lotto pick this year.

I don't understand you or the certain guys on 980 who bash PJ (who is still just a kid), do you think every high school kid who comes in the NBA is Lebron James? Well in case you didn't know, the reason why people make such a big deal about him is that he was able to compete at a high level with NBA players - straight out of HS. It is amazing. Even Garnett and Kobe had slow starts in their rookie years before they took off to 20 points a game.

I'm assuming you aren't tall either, but for those of us that are it is much harder to grow into our bodies and gain coordination, big men always develop slow - and Ramos is just about ready.

Haywood and Etan are bums, but they would be HORRIFIC if they were overtaken by what was a gangly 18 year old in 04 and a teenager still learning the game, let alone a complicated Pro Offense like Jordan's, or the quick defensive rotations that most on the Wiz's roster struggle with as mature players now, when Ramos was 19 and 20 in 05.


Ramos would be going into his Junior year of College this upcoming fall.
So why is he a Bum because he can't get rotational minutes on a playoff team in the NBA? I'm sure you noticed how freaking talented and athletic Andray is and he couldn't get minutes, you know why? Because for every rebound, blocked shot and slam dunk he would screw up an offense that he hadn't practiced enough and make a rookie mistake.



If draft picks could have played in the NBA the year before they entered the draft, they would have entered the draft the year before!

I just can't believe that you really saw him play in the NBDL this year - from hearing you talk it sounds like you saw him in garbage time during his rookie year - If say you have, well, I don't know what player you were watching then because it wasn't the same as me - and I trust my ability to grade basketball talent very much so. Especially one that I've actually seen play against older more mature athletes and not just seen highlights on the Internet about.

He had plenty of maturity problems (as was noted in his 2004 pre-draft scouting), but it sounds like he is growing up (as 19 year olds are apt to do when they turn 20, 21, 22 etc.) and he definitely has been working on his game a hell of a lot. To call him a bum before he was even projected to play is not only unfair to him, but just plain silly.

Ramos' stint in the minor leagues is up - he played his 2 years down there as was planned by the Wizards when they drafted him - those two years were his "college experience" in addition to his time playing pro-ball in Costa Rica as a 16 year old kid from Brooklyn New York. He was a very poor young man from a very poor family- hence he played pro ball in Costa Rica instead of playing HS ball in NYC.

Now his NBDL eligibility is up, he is a 20 year old extremely athletic 7'3" 278 pound "rookie" center who has a certain element of the Radio media, message boards and fans calling him a bum. Thats a real great way to support our players.

I sure hope he reads stuff like this and hear's Tom Lavaro talk on the radio.
He must be used to it by now.

you just powned that dude....and im likin what i hear bout PJR

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Yeah, he pwned me :rolleyes:

Ramos won't even be up with the Wizards this year, his 4th...
What are you smoking? He stinks.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Yeah, he pwned me :rolleyes:

Ramos won't even be up with the Wizards this year, his 4th...
What are you smoking? He stinks.


His 3rd year you dummy. He was drafted in 04. Your eligibility for the NBDL is up after 2 years, and he has played just 2 years.


You still haven't even seen the kid play, I don't believe you.


He averaged more points, rebounds and blocked shots than Lemarcus Aldridge did in his crappy college conference - against pro guys many of which were 7feet or taller and all of which were much bigger than any college centers I saw Aldridge bang with.

Ramos and Aldridge are the same age.

You seriously don't know what you are talking about at all.

[dawgjk9]

xxspearheadxx...nice thread..im likin what im hearing. if pj can be a good big for us, imagine how nasty we could be, he could be the guy to put us over the top if in fact he is as good as it seems like you says he will be. im excited for him to play...you think hes goin to get some playing time this year? im sure he'll be on the 12man roster

[Destino]

XxSpearheadxX is ruling this thread.

[Bugs']

Yeah, he pwned me :rolleyes:

Ramos won't even be up with the Wizards this year, his 4th...
What are you smoking? He stinks.


:troll:

[XxSpearheadxX]

I mean I would love PJ to be a Rotational guy this year, but even if it took him until 22 years old, or even 23 I would still understand. I mean we drafted in the 2nd round on purpose. It was the first pick in the 2nd round but still - he is so young.


Nobody thought Andray Blatche was gonna be so good he is the exception to the rule, its crazy when I hear Ernie, Eddie and even Antawn say if Andray hadn't missed so much time training and learning the plays he would have been playing significant minutes.


I am so excited for the Vegas leauge this year. Last year, with one 2nd round pick I think we had the best draft in a long time, getting Donnel and Andray.

Oh well, I'm just happy we aren't the doormat of the east anymore, ya know? :D

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

His 3rd year you dummy. He was drafted in 04. Your eligibility for the NBDL is up after 2 years, and he has played just 2 years.


You still haven't even seen the kid play, I don't believe you.


He averaged more points, rebounds and blocked shots than Lemarcus Aldridge did in his crappy college conference - against pro guys many of which were 7feet or taller and all of which were much bigger than any college centers I saw Aldridge bang with.

Ramos and Aldridge are the same age.

You seriously don't know what you are talking about at all.

So, basically you're telling me he's better than LeMarcus Aldridge :laugh:
The NBDL is full of SCRUBS. NONE of those guys are NBA worthy. Aldridge playing for Texas played against better athletes than a guy playing in the NBDL, genius...

Ramos will be buried on the bench this year IF he makes the squad. You act like he's good enough to garner significant playing time. You're crazy.

[jbooma]

So, basically you're telling me he's better than LeMarcus Aldridge :laugh:
The NBDL is full of SCRUBS. NONE of those guys are NBA worthy. Aldridge playing for Texas played against better athletes than a guy playing in the NBDL, genius...

Ramos will be buried on the bench this year IF he makes the squad. You act like he's good enough to garner significant playing time. You're crazy.

They are also full of guys eager to make it in the NBA just to get a shot, so I would think they might be playing harder then some college kids who have a free ride :)

The NBDL also has draftpicks playing it now, which is why it is called a developmental league, i would say the best NBDL team would blow out the best college team you can create.

[da#1skinsfan]

Not once did he say hes good enough to garner significant time...he's said he did well in the NBDL, he is a young guy who makes young mistakes, physically he has matured well, and he hopes that eventually the guy will pan out.

Its great to see people disagree and discuss the different POVs man, but really, you are just getting worked here. Every point he makes is totally valid, and it flies right over your head.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Not once did he say hes good enough to garner significant time...he's said he did well in the NBDL, he is a young guy who makes young mistakes, physically he has matured well, and he hopes that eventually the guy will pan out.

Its great to see people disagree and discuss the different POVs man, but really, you are just getting worked here. Every point he makes is totally valid, and it flies right over your head.

He stinks. That's valid. Am I not a Wizards fan now? Or do I have to be a certifited homer?