WVU financials

[PleaseBlitz]

Doesnt look to me that WVU's athletic department is in some type of peril like some on this MB claim.


http://westvirginia.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=556719

Jim Laise
WVSports.com Senior Writer

Talk about it in The Blue Lot
In late 2003, West Virginia athletics embarked on a $35 million spending project to renovate Milan Puskar Stadium and The Coliseum, which continues to this day.

Though alterations have been made to the football and basketball centers on campus, more work will be done in the future, including renovating and expanding student/athlete academic centers at both sites, the weight-training facility at the stadium, additional seating in the north end zone, and, in the long-term, perhaps additional club seats in the south end zone to match those in the north.

Obviously money is the issue in all those future expansions, along with improvements made to the Dick Dlesk Soccer Stadium, Hawley Field and rising scholarship costs, of which the AD (athletics department) pays by itself.

The new $1.4 million wrestling training facility adjacent to the natatorium near The Coliseum was paid for largely with private funds.

This story will examine what the original $35 million investment built, and how the competition in the Big East Conference is attempting to remain competitive with WVU, which for the last two years has been the dominating major revenue producer in the league.

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To start with, most know that the AD is self-supporting. Gov. Joe Manchin's recent authored bill which he helped push through legislature to pay for the new artificial surface in the Indoor Practice Facility ($300,000) was unique because it was a rare time the state and WVU came together to pay for a departmental perk.

The present price tag for all 350 scholarships which enable the school's 14 sports teams (rifle is fostered through a one-time state government grant) to prosper is currently set at $5.2 million. That price tag is the responsibility of the Mountaineer Athletic Club, and its executive director Whit Babcock, and Babcock's six staff members.

Eighty percent of the funds donated to the MAC goes toward scholarships while 20 percent goes to operating costs.

Babcock and his team-funding rise is from $5.5 million in 2003 to an $8 million goal in 2006. The MAC's website reports that currently Babcock and crew are ahead of the 2005 pace in terms of donors and donations. Louisville raises some $11.5 million per year, but lucrative states like New Jersey and Connecticut reportedly produce tax money for Rutgers and the Huskies. The latter two schools have been on an expansion course in recent years.

The fact is WVU receives no tuition waivers from the office of President David Hardesty, the Board of Governors or the state legislature. Therefore donations to the MAC and subsidies from televised revenue sports are the chief weapons in the arms race West Virginia faces against other Big East schools, Maryland, Pitt and Virginia Tech, its chief recruiting enemies.

The athletic department took out a bond which runs from 2004 to 2024, a part of which now is being eaten by revenues from the North End Zone project.

In this day and age of multimillion budgets (WVU's is $32 million), schools no longer are expanding football stadiums, but reducing size in order to churn out a higher profit. The contrary idea has arrived at WVU, Tennessee and Michigan, to name several, where seats are being replaced by suites.



WVU's football facilities have long been considered among the nation's finest.
Though Milan Puskar Stadium's seating was reduced in 2004 to some 60,000, the North End Zone suites and Touchdown Terrace Club seats should increase revenue even as the capacity was reduced.

A multiyear lease to inhabit one of the suites costs patrons some $35,000 annually. At about 18 suites, the AD receives in the neighborhood of $630,000 on these, less operating and maintenance costs. Meanwhile, the terrace seats at $750 a year provide the Mountaineers with $487,500 annually. The sum total then of the NEZ (North End Zone) project brings in about $1.1 annually--far more than the 5,000 regular seats which have been exterminated could have.

With increased fundraising there is some talk that down the line more club seats could be added in the South End Zone where the Mountaineer Field scoreboard rests, but private donors and/or state aid will be sought for the future project.

More seats are a year away for Milan Puskar Stadium, presumably in the area where the flora and fauna now reside in the corners of the North End Zone.

With the so-called "Mountaineer ATM" (club seats) eventually churning out profits, the debt service on the recent expansion will be brought under control. A wait list exists for the NEZ suites, while a few Terrace club seats turn over annually.

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CURRENTLY there are eight giving plans set up by Babcock and corps for donations for scholarships and facilities expansions. Everyone from the $50 donor to someone who provides planned gifts (benevolences, property and the like) is included.

At the top of the list is the Jerry West Endowments for planned giving. Second is the Gold Scholars at a $19,500 minimum (of which Gov. Joe Manchin, President David Hardesty and men's basketball coach John Beilein are a part). Third is the Championship level between $6,000-$11,200. Fourth is the Director Level ($3K-$5,999K), Gold ($600-$1,1999), Blue ($300-$599), Buckskin ($50-$299).

A donation of $150 provides the donor an opportunity to purchase football season tickets, which will likely sell out this season. Some of those tickets for the minimum donor are in the choice gold seats at the stadium.

Though the window has closed for donation/season ticket orders for this season, the Aug. 1 deadline for the 1100 Club ($1,100 specifically earmarked for football) remains open.

The MAC believe its members are getting a bang for their buck with competitive conference teams across the board (three years running for the football crown), a five-year GPA progression among student-athletes, some 2,500 members of the Athletic Directors Honor Roll since 1989 and the most Big East All-Academics in the history of the league.

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THE ORIGINAL $35 million investment remade the interiors of both the stadium and the coliseum. At the Puskar complex the suites and club seats were installed, coaches offices renovated, the lobby and trophy cases renovated, the HVAC system revised and due to a private gift the Donald J. Brohard Hall of Traditions will open this fall. The original outlay was jump-started by Morgantown businessman Mike Puskar, who personally donated $20 million to the university, including $14.5 directed at the school's athletics programs.

At the Coliseum, the investment installed men's and women's teams video theatre, club seating and improved seating for wealthy donors, locker room/strength training facility makeovers and on the horizon a Jerry West statue and plaza adjacent to the Blue Entrance.

While funding for the S/A academic study center in the Puskar building will likely be secured in the near future, money is being sought now for a 10,000-square-foot project with a $12.5 million price tag at the Coliseum.

Also, funds are being sought for a similar Hall of Traditions at the Coliseum for all Mountaineer sports aside from football and renovation of the coach John Beilein staff offices.

More money is being secured to bring Hawley Field into the 21st Century too. A concourse proposed to link the baseball stadium with the soccer complex is on the boards, along with dugout and clubhouse expansion and erection at the baseball diamond.

Maintenance continues at the natatorium and tennis courts so that WVU's already strong teams can compete with the best of the Big East.

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But maintenance costs and bond interest will continue to increase for the facilities that have been built and expanded in the last two years, not to mention those that are on board and awaiting donors now.

According to 2004-05 figures among most of the major-college football/basketball programs in the nation by an Indianapolis newspaper and other sources, WVU spent about $2.5 million for football expenditures against $3.2 million at Maryland and approximately $3.2 million at Virginia Tech.

Note these are year-old figures and various departments figure and release info on their budgets differently, so quantum measurements are questionable. For instance, reports have WVU spending $1.8 million on football promotion, Tech $380,000 and Maryland 0, which is impossible.

The same reports claim WVU's '05 recruiting budget was $400,000 vs. $470,000 for Maryland and $220,000 for Tech.

WVU head coach Rich Rodriguez's contract was recently extended for three years through the 2011 season (officially it's Jan. 15 2012, when a new contract would begin) at an annual $1.15 million with perks. Also, his controversial buyout figure (some $2 million) gradually decreases, as provided for in his old contract. That money however will go to a deferred payment ($600,000 total), which he will receive if he remains on the job through December of 2010. His salary figure then would put him in the $1.2 million bracket. Also, Rod's extension calls for an additional financial pool of some $125,000, which would boost the assistants to $1.2. Coaching staffs at programs like Tennessee, Georgia and Oklahoma are in the area of $1.5.

Rod's desire for a new academic center will happen sooner, rather than later, too. He reportedly will initiate a fund-raising drive for it with a $50,000 check of his own. High-dollar MAC members are being recruited to make up the difference needed for the center on the first floor of the Puskar Center.

Rodriguez signed a 7-year deal in 2003 for $5.95 million plus bonuses for postseason bowl success and winning academic figures. His old deal called for an $850,000 paycheck for 2006.

This spring Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz was awarded a $2.85 million annual sum, while John L. Smith at Michigan State recently earn a per year salary of $1.65 million. Louisville's Bobby Petrino currently earns $1 million annually through 2010, with a one-time, $1 million bonus if he's still with the Cardinals in 2007.

The list goes on. Just days before Rutgers' Insight Bowl appearance, AD Bob Mulcahy tore up the remaining two years of Coach Greg Schiano's contract and gave him a new 7-year deal that starts at $875,000 and escalates to $1.1 million in the final year of 2012.

Rutgers raised $5 million to build new coaches' offices and a weight room in the late 1980s, then received state funding to replace a stadium that was built in 1938. The new Rutgers Stadium, which seats 41,500, opened in 1994.

Rutgers recently added FieldTurf to the stadium and installed a new scoreboard capable of showing replays. The school recently finished in the top five percent of I-A schools in academic performance.

At Cincinnati, the athletic department has undergone a massive transformation during the past three years, moving into a new athletic center which is part of an $80 million facilities upgrade known as Varsity Village.

At South Florida, football coaches have offices in the school's $18 million athletic facility, a showcase that was opened in 2003. The Bulls obviously play at Raymond James Stadium, a state-of-the-art NFL facility that is home to the NFL's Tampa Bay Buccaneers and will host its second Super Bowl in 2009.

In truth, programs like Rutgers, Cincy and USF are just beginning to catch up with the facilities at WVU, but the expenditures show that even the low-level Big East football programs like the Bearcats are willing to do what it takes to compete.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Could we get some real financials, and perhaps an unbiased source :whoknows:

Maybe compare revenue pre expansion vs revenue post expansion. That'll give us a good gauge right there

This just says "hey we are building lots of stuff from bonds and donations!"

[PleaseBlitz]

Good gauge of what? I see tons of "real financials" in there. What else do you want?

[EersSkins05]

Yeah, sorry. We can only pay for everything we want and need. We're in serious trouble!

[PleaseBlitz]

Yeah, sorry. We can only pay for everything we want and need. We're in serious trouble!


Thats what I was thinking.


Apparantly their is some other measure of financial success that I am missing? :whoknows:


Anyways, I didnt post this for the Hokies to comment on, I just wanted the Eers to see how much "trouble" WVU athletics is really in. Which is to say, they are in fantastic shape.

[Major Harris]

Anyways, I didnt post this for the Hokies to comment on, .
they're too obsessed not to.

[hokie4redskins]

:yawnee: :snore:

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But thanks for adding. :rolleyes:

[Inxsive]

Yeah, sorry. We can only pay for everything we want and need. We're in serious trouble!

Wasn't it your beloved coach that had to work it into his contract negotiations to upgrade the facilities? Doesn't it bother you that the school couldn't do that on it's own.

[Diggs]

Wasn't it your beloved coach that had to work it into his contract negotiations to upgrade the facilities? Doesn't it bother you that the school couldn't do that on it's own.

That's just negotiating and bargaining. When you sit down with your boss for a review, would you want a raise? How about an office with a view? A premium parking spot? Rich Rodriguez is using his position to get the "powers that be" to improve his program. Included in that are improved facilities and equipment. Good for him.

[Inxsive]

That's just negotiating and bargaining. When you sit down with your boss for a review, would you want a raise? How about an office with a view? A premium parking spot? Rich Rodriguez is using his position to get the "powers that be" to improve his program. Included in that are improved facilities and equipment. Good for him.

Be that as it may, my point was that those improvements should have been done without the coach having to work them into the negotiations. Are you saying that those improvements weren’t needed?

[PleaseBlitz]

I think what Diggs is trying to say is that the program doesnt NEED the new student/athlete academic center. It doesnt NEED to renovate the Puskar center (thats where the coaches offices are and were the players have meetings). His coaches didnt necessarily NEED raises. The school isnt just throwing money around, no school does. There are always bean-counters that would rather NOT spend money. Im sure Beamer was a major driving force behind the recent expansion of Lane Stadium, and im sure it wasnt just and ask and you shall recieve situation. He certainly used some of his clout at the school to get things done to help his program.

RichRod is using his clout, which is HUGE, especially right now, to get things done that will build the program into a marquee program. Its smart.

[EersSkins05]

I think what Diggs is trying to say is that the program doesnt NEED the new student/athlete academic center. It doesnt NEED to renovate the Puskar center (thats where the coaches offices are and were the players have meetings). His coaches didnt necessarily NEED raises. The school isnt just throwing money around, no school does. There are always bean-counters that would rather NOT spend money. Im sure Beamer was a major driving force behind the recent expansion of Lane Stadium, and im sure it wasnt just and ask and you shall recieve situation. He certainly used some of his clout at the school to get things done to help his program.

RichRod is using his clout, which is HUGE, especially right now, to get things done that will build the program into a marquee program. Its smart.

You know, technically, the home locker room isn't lined with diamonds and a 90 inch plasma for every player. We should really be looking into that.

[Inxsive]

I think what Diggs is trying to say is that the program doesnt NEED the new student/athlete academic center. It doesnt NEED to renovate the Puskar center (thats where the coaches offices are and were the players have meetings). His coaches didnt necessarily NEED raises. The school isnt just throwing money around, no school does. There are always bean-counters that would rather NOT spend money. Im sure Beamer was a major driving force behind the recent expansion of Lane Stadium, and im sure it wasnt just and ask and you shall recieve situation. He certainly used some of his clout at the school to get things done to help his program.

RichRod is using his clout, which is HUGE, especially right now, to get things done that will build the program into a marquee program. Its smart.





LOL, so do you guys call heads and tails on a coin flips? Do you ever find anything wrong with your school or program? Either the improvements were needed and your coach had to work it in his negotiations to get it done.....or....they weren’t something the school really needed. I know I joke a lot about the level of intelligence in WV but I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt that you are smart enough to understand what I was saying when I used the word 'needed'. Playing semantics with the word ‘NEED’ is just a cop out. Come on guys! Step up!



The biggest driving force behind the Stadium expansion at VT was the additional revenue that would be generated.

[Diggs]

LOL, so do you guys call heads and tails on a coin flips? Do you ever find anything wrong with your school or program? Either the improvements were needed and your coach had to work it in his negotiations to get it done.....or....they weren’t something the school really needed. I know I joke a lot about the level of intelligence in WV but I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt that you are smart enough to understand what I was saying when I used the word 'needed'. Playing semantics with the word ‘NEED’ is just a cop out. Come on guys! Step up!



The biggest drive force behind the Stadium expansion at VT was the additional revenue that would be generated.




C'mon dude, stop being so naive. Sure, almost every program needs upgrades in one way or another. WVU is certainly one of these. Coach Rod is doing his part by using his "clout"--as previously mentioned--to get these changes made. If you think Beamer had NOTHING to do with Lane Stadium getting upgraded you are sorely mistaken, and the Hokie fans here can attest to that. When WVU was trying to lure Huggins a few years ago, one of his "requirements" was a private jet. WVU didn't accomodate that among other things.

[PleaseBlitz]

LOL, so do you guys call heads and tails on a coin flips? Do you ever find anything wrong with your school or program? Either the improvements were needed and your coach had to work it in his negotiations to get it done.....or....they weren’t something the school really needed. I know I joke a lot about the level of intelligence in WV but I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt that you are smart enough to understand what I was saying when I used the word 'needed'. Playing semantics with the word ‘NEED’ is just a cop out. Come on guys! Step up!



The biggest drive force behind the Stadium expansion at VT was the additional revenue that would be generated.






I know i joke a lot about YOUR level of intelligence......





Thats all. :laugh:






The real Hokies will agree with the points made above.

[Inxsive]

C'mon dude, stop being so naive. Sure, almost every program needs upgrades in one way or another. WVU is certainly one of these. Coach Rod is doing his part by using his "clout"--as previously mentioned--to get these changes made. If you think Beamer had NOTHING to do with Lane Stadium getting upgraded you are sorely mistaken, and the Hokie fans here can attest to that. When WVU was trying to lure Huggins a few years ago, one of his "requirements" was a private jet. WVU didn't accomodate that among other things.

LOL, I asked for someone to step up and as expected someone stepped down. This is what I get for giving WV:dunce: people even a little credit for any shred of inteligence. Please show me an example of where I said Beamer had 'NOTHING' to do with Lane Stadium upgrades? Really, please pull that example out of your ass if you can move your head out of the way for it to get bye.



Here is the one sentence I wrote about the Stadium expansion;





The biggest driving force behind the Stadium expansion at VT was the additional revenue that would be generated.



I'd ask for your food stamps back from WVU:dunce: if you got ‘Beamer had NOTHING to do with Lane Stadium getting upgraded’ from the above sentence. Go back, work a little harder and try again.

[Diggs]

LOL, I asked for someone to step up and as expected someone stepped down. This is what I get for giving WV:dunce: people even a little credit for any shred of inteligence. Please show me an example of where I said Beamer had 'NOTHING' to do with Lane Stadium upgrades? Really, please pull that example out of your ass if you can move your head out of the way for it to get bye.



Here is the one sentence I wrote about the Stadium expansion;





I'd ask for your food stamps back from WVU:dunce: if you got ‘Beamer had NOTHING to do with Lane Stadium getting upgraded’ from the above sentence. Go back, work a little harder and try again.




Hey genius, the point is that BOTH coaches had instrumental roles in their respective programs upgrading their facilities. Only an idiot cannot see that. Psst.... that's you

[Inxsive]

Hey genius, the point is that BOTH coaches had instrumental roles in their respective programs upgrading their facilities. Only an idiot cannot see that. Psst.... that's you


LOL! :dunce:Diggs:dunce:, you flip flop so much John Kerry would be proud!

[PleaseBlitz]

Inxsive. What is your point? I read your posts again, i cant find one. Please clarify.

[Diggs]

LOL! :dunce:Diggs:dunce:, you flip flop so much John Kerry would be proud!

How did I flip flop? I was implying that the success that coaches have is one of the main driving forces behind administrations upgrading their athletic and student athlete facilities. You just read what you want and twist it in your own retarded way. :doh:

[Inxsive]

How did I flip flop? I was implying that the success that coaches have is one of the main driving forces behind administrations upgrading their athletic and student athlete facilities. You just read what you want and twist it in your own retarded way. :doh:

Let me simplify things for you even more.



If those improvements needed to be done, why did it take your coach working it into his personal contract negations to get it done? Why didn’t WVU:dunce: do this on it’s own? If they weren’t really needed, then fine. However, if they were needed then it shouldn’t take the coach making it a requirement of his extension.

So here is the one question for you to answer;

Why didn't the "powers that be" at WVU:dunce: not green light these improvments on their own?

[PleaseBlitz]

Let me simplify things for you even more.



If those improvements needed to be done, why did it take your coach working it into his personal contract negations to get it done? Why didn’t WVU:dunce: do this on it’s own? If they weren’t really needed, then fine. However, if they were needed then it shouldn’t take the coach making it a requirement of his extension.

So here is the one question for you to answer;

Why didn't the "powers that be" at WVU:dunce: not green light these improvments on their own?


I think what Diggs is trying to say is that the program doesnt NEED the new student/athlete academic center. It doesnt NEED to renovate the Puskar center (thats where the coaches offices are and were the players have meetings). His coaches didnt necessarily NEED raises. The school isnt just throwing money around, no school does. There are always bean-counters that would rather NOT spend money. Im sure Beamer was a major driving force behind the recent expansion of Lane Stadium, and im sure it wasnt just and ask and you shall recieve situation. He certainly used some of his clout at the school to get things done to help his program.

RichRod is using his clout, which is HUGE, especially right now, to get things done that will build the program into a marquee program. Its smart.

Will it stick the 2nd time around folks?


My guess is no. :doh:

Fact is, WVU can afford all of these improvements, so while im not sure what your point is, im sure it is way off base.........again.

[Inxsive]

Will it stick the 2nd time around folks?


My guess is no. :doh:

Fact is, WVU can afford all of these improvements, so while im not sure what your point is, im sure it is way off base.........again.

Speaking of 2nd time


I know I joke a lot about the level of intelligence in WV but I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt that you are smart enough to understand what I was saying when I used the word 'needed'. Playing semantics with the word ‘NEED’ is just a cop out. Come on guys! Step up!


Here is an example;

I know you don't NEED anything more than a trailer to live in but since you don't live in WV:dunce: anymore something else is appropriate.

[Major Harris]

Speaking of 2nd time



Here is an example;

I know you don't NEED anything more than a trailer to live in but since you don't live in WV:dunce: anymore something else is appropriate.

dude, your wv stereotype jokes are not funny, and are very old/ outdated. i guess you resort to that stuff when you get to be your age.

[PleaseBlitz]

Speaking of 2nd time



Here is an example;

I know you don't NEED anything more than a trailer to live in but since you don't live in WV:dunce: anymore something else is appropriate.


Yeah, i didnt think you had a point. You are just a troll.

dude, your wv stereotype jokes are not funny, and are very old/ outdated. i guess you resort to that stuff when you get to be your age.

17?

[Inxsive]

dude, your wv stereotype jokes are not funny, and are very old/ outdated. i guess you resort to that stuff when you get to be your age.

Outdated? Isn't your senile Senator a former member of the KKK? You can only call something outdated if they aren't true anymore.


Yeah, i didnt think you had a point. You are just a troll.
17?

Once again you mind is apparently too small to read and respond to the whole response. I had already answered you and I copied that post into the response.


You guys are great, one called me too old and one says I'm too young and lying about my age. West Virginia:dunce: is just too easy!

[The Evil Genius]

Didn't the upgrades start in 2003?

[SkinsHokieFan]

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2006071916/

An article that confirms that the Big East football TV deal is only a paltry 8 million dollars, where as before ACC expansion it was 15 million

Compare this to the 37 million dollar deal the ACC gets for football from ESPN

[canethang 305]

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2006071916/

An article that confirms that the Big East football TV deal is only a paltry 8 million dollars, where as before ACC expansion it was 15 million

Compare this to the 37 million dollar deal the ACC gets for football from ESPN

The 2 confrences had similar TV deals, before the ACC expanded, I as a 'Canes fan wondered why the hell we were leaving the Big East based on amount of money you secure from a BCS bowl birth but after seeing the TV deal it all made sense!

And for Inxsive the WV jokes are all way played out, where Major lives and where I just moved too, 75% of the neighborhoods are NOVA transplants who can't afford to live in Fairfax and Loudoun. And as for your argument about stadium improvements, Tech would have never upgraded their facilities unless:
A) they started winning
B) Miami president Donna Shallala convinced Tech's president that if you spend money on f-ball the windfall of the return's will be greater, that's why Tech rode Miami's coattails to the ACC.

[Major Harris]

Outdated? Isn't your senile Senator a former member of the KKK? You can only call something outdated if they aren't true anymore.
yeah, in like 1942. he also brings in millions and millions of dollars to our state. he's also one of the most respected members of the senate. nice try though.

dumb ass hoya/gmu/tech fans.

[PleaseBlitz]

http://www.dailymail.com/news/News/2006071916/

An article that confirms that the Big East football TV deal is only a paltry 8 million dollars, where as before ACC expansion it was 15 million

Compare this to the 37 million dollar deal the ACC gets for football from ESPN

A 2 page article, and you focus on 1 sentence? I can just picture you scanning that article going "good......good......good......BAD FOR WVU! I GOT'EM NOW!" :doh:

Last i checked WVU still had enough money to do absolutely everything they want, including upgrading the stadium, resign the coach, and outspend VT on recruiting. So what is your point?

Here is my favorite part of that article:
Some Marshall partisans have alleged that WVU would not change the date or time because it didn't want Marshall to get national television exposure.

:rotflmao:
I hope its true!

[SkinsHokieFan]

A 2 page article, and you focus on 1 sentence? I can just picture you scanning that article going "good......good......good......BAD FOR WVU! I GOT'EM NOW!" :doh:

Last i checked WVU still had enough money to do absolutely everything they want, including upgrading the stadium, resign the coach, and outspend VT on recruiting. So what is your point?



Pssst, it is bad for WVU

Big East football TV contract cut in half from 2003

If that is "good" in your world, well its an interesting world you live in

What it did prove was that the new Big East football TV contract is 8 million. For some reason there was little documentation of that, unlike the basketball contract

And with VT now in the ACC as well as the talent rich tidewater area in VA, we don't need to spend as much as WVU to recruit. The ACC has opened up the carolinas as well as GA to a lot of talent which is now coming to VT

[Inxsive]

yeah, in like 1942. he also brings in millions and millions of dollars to our state. he's also one of the most respected members of the senate. nice try though.

dumb ass hoya/gmu/tech fans.

Once a Klansman always a Klansman. There is a big difference between having racist views and then later moving away from them and actively joining the KKK. His membership got him lots of votes over the years in West Virginia. Renouncing prior bad acts doesn't always absolve a person of their deeds, just ask the Nazi's. I brought him up as an example that peoples views of West Virginia aren’t that outdated. How many States can claim a former Klansman represents them? He is way past his time. You don't think he looks lost these days whenever he speaks, thumping his little copy of the construction? Blindly standing by WVU:dunce: and never admitting they do anything wrong is one thing but come on. For example, I think Virginia's last govenor was a lying bastard. Bryd's respect is rapidly turning into pity.

[Inxsive]

Pssst, it is bad for WVU

Big East football TV contract cut in half from 2003

If that is "good" in your world, well its an interesting world you live in

What it did prove was that the new Big East football TV contract is 8 million. For some reason there was little documentation of that, unlike the basketball contract

And with VT now in the ACC as well as the talent rich tidewater area in VA, we don't need to spend as much as WVU to recruit. The ACC has opened up the carolinas as well as GA to a lot of talent which is now coming to VT


:applause: Nice! Stand by for more 'mountain' backtracking, changing the subject, or simply ignoring the facts. It's their ostrich approach to facts.

[PleaseBlitz]

Pssst, it is bad for WVU

Big East football TV contract cut in half from 2003

If that is "good" in your world, well its an interesting world you live in

What it did prove was that the new Big East football TV contract is 8 million. For some reason there was little documentation of that, unlike the basketball contract

And with VT now in the ACC as well as the talent rich tidewater area in VA, we don't need to spend as much as WVU to recruit. The ACC has opened up the carolinas as well as GA to a lot of talent which is now coming to VT

My original thought still holds true. We have all the money we need to do everything we want.

Yeah, sorry. We can only pay for everything we want and need. We're in serious trouble!

Thats what I was thinking.


Apparantly their is some other measure of financial success that I am missing? :whoknows:



Why are you so worried about the Big East? Im not. I worry about WVU. Almost as much as you do. :laugh:

Keep pimping the ACC and not your school. :rolleyes:

If you are so convinced the Big East's football programs are in financial trouble, why do they keep expanding their stadiums?

1. Louisville is getting ready to announce a $63 million expansion of Papa John's Cardinal Stadium that will raise the capacity from 45,000 seats to 63,600 seats, including 45 new skyboxes. What does that mean? Next time someone says Louisville is a basketball school, raise your hand to disagree.

****! They MUST be in trouble!


And keep pimping finances, nobody cares. You're just trying to distract from the athletic performances of WVU's football (#5 last year, probably starting int the top 5 this year) and basketball (Sweet 16 this year, Elite 8 last year) programs. WVU looks to be in much better shape and right now are very much the "it" program. VT is seen as a dirty football program and has no basketball program worth mentioning. Sorry.

[PleaseBlitz]

yeah, in like 1942. he also brings in millions and millions of dollars to our state. he's also one of the most respected members of the senate. nice try though.

dumb ass hoya/gmu/tech fans.

Once a Klansman always a Klansman. There is a big difference between having racist views and then later moving away from them and actively joining the KKK. His membership got him lots of votes over the years in West Virginia. Renouncing prior bad acts doesn't always absolve a person of their deeds, just ask the Nazi's. I brought him up as an example that peoples views of West Virginia aren’t that outdated. How many States can claim a former Klansman represents them? He is way past his time. You don't think he looks lost these days whenever he speaks, thumping his little copy of the construction? Blindly standing by WVU:dunce: and never admitting they do anything wrong is one thing but come on. For example, I think Virginia's last govenor was a lying bastard. Bryd's respect is rapidly turning into pity.

NCAA forum.


Take the politics to the tailgate.


Seriously INXSive. I DARE you to start this topic in the tailgate and see what people have to say about Byrd. I dare you.

[SkinsHokieFan]

My original thought still holds true. We have all the money we need to do everything we want.





Why are you so worried about the Big East? Im not. I worry about WVU. Almost as much as you do. :laugh:

Keep pimping the ACC and not your school. :rolleyes:


And keep pimping finances, nobody cares. You're just trying to distract from the athletic performances of WVU's football (#5 last year, probably starting int the top 5 this year) and basketball (Sweet 16 this year, Elite 8 last year) programs. WVU looks to be in much better shape and right now are very much the "it" program. VT is seen as a dirty football program and has no basketball program worth mentioning. Sorry.

:laugh:

See PB, I let the team on the field do the talking. 34-17, kablamo

You bring up the basketball argument lots, however your faulty memory seems to forget VT had a nice start in year 1 of ACC play and was insanely young this year. Bball will never be a strength but will improve, I like where its headed

VT football will have another top 10-15 finish to match the back to back top 10 finishes. If we have to play WVU again, we'll beat you like we are daddy just like we have for the past decade

It has to suck that since you couldn't beat us on the field you have to resort to the "thug" card. :laugh: Typical of losers who can't get it done against their opponent where it counts, on the field of play. You can talk all your **** forever, the fact is VT owned your boys for the time you were at WVU and the time you have been college football conscience. So sorry

The "IT" program is going to be a very temporary fleeting thing. Why? A)You have to play at Papa John's stadium against an O with a real good passing attack, which will have little trouble torching your young secondary. And 2)Becuase of things like little TV money and a piss poor conference. Hell VT beat the top 2 teams in the Big East last year, so I am honestly not sure what footing you try and stand on

Actually, vis a vis VT, you have absolutley none.

[PleaseBlitz]

:laugh:

See PB, I let the team on the field do the talking. 34-17, kablamo

Meh, you had the better game. We had the better season. Ill take that tradeoff every single year.

VT will have another top 10-15 finish to match the back to back top 10 finishes. If we have to play WVU again, we'll beat you like we are daddy just like we have for the past decade.

Not a chance. I guess you are conveniently forgetting a coupla those games? :whoknows: Whatever, your offense is going to be woeful. Like, sorry, awful, terrible, horrendous. We'd beat your asses like we did Georgia, also in your own house.

It has to suck that since you couldn't beat us on the field you have to resort to the "thug" card. :laugh: Typical of losers who can't get it done against their opponent where it counts, on the field of play. You can talk all your **** forever, the fact is VT owned your boys for the time you were at WVU and the time you have been college football conscience. So sorry

HOW THE **** does a VT fan talk about anyone not "getting it done where it counts"??????? You needed to win ONE of TWO games this year. Miami TROUNCED YOU like a high school team, and then unranked FSU beat your asses and took the BCS berth. Dont talk about the Sugar Bowl Champs "not getting it done." :rotflmao:

It has to suck that your program cant ever win a game at the end of the season and you are left bragging about a meaningless OOC game that was your only big win all year. :thumbsup: I know you and your VT bretheren are tired of hearing the "thug" card. But youve made your bed. Now you gotta sleep in it. Keep defending Marcus Vick. It makes me chuckle. :laugh: This guys sums it up pretty well, if you care to read it. (you'll probably ignore it and pretend it doesnt exist) http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=51823

The "IT" program is going to be a very temporary fleeting thing. Why? A)You have to play at Papa John's stadium against an O with a real good passing attack, which will have little trouble torching your young secondary. And 2)Becuase of things like TV money and a piss poor conference. Hell VT beat the top 2 teams in the Big East last year, so I am honestly not sure what footing you try and stand on

Actually, vis a vis VT, you have absolutley none.

I gotta check out this crystal ball of yours. I bet its SWEET! :laugh:

[Diggs]

Meh, you had the better game. We had the better season. Ill take that tradeoff every single year.

Seriously, we've played this card before. Duke losing every year to some scrub team in basketball (i.e., VT, FSU). Do those teams claim to be the better team because of one game? As Yoda would say, "one game a season does not make."



http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=51823

Wow, this guy covers college football and chose to write this article. :laugh: :nutkick:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Meh, you had the better game. We had the better season. Ill take that tradeoff every single year.

Of course you will. When it cost you undefeated



Not a chance. I guess you are conveniently forgetting a coupla those games? :whoknows: Whatever, your offense is going to be woeful. Like, sorry, awful, terrible, horrendous. We'd beat your asses like we did Georgia, also in your own house.

You see the crystal ball quote you left below. Pot meet kettle. With our WR's, and any of our QB's, oh as well as our stable of rb's, we'd pass all over you in the first half, then pound down your asses in the 2nd half with the running game. Sounds kinda familiar from this past October doesn't it?

And if you honestly think this D will have trouble against the spread O? :laugh:



HOW THE **** does a VT fan talk about anyone not "getting it done where it counts"??????? You needed to win ONE of TWO games this year. Miami TROUNCED YOU like a high school team, and then unranked FSU beat your asses and took the BCS berth. Dont talk about the Sugar Bowl Champs "not getting it done." :rotflmao:

Selective memory. Typical. In the past decade we have 4, count em, 4 conference titles and a national championship appearance. Every single conference title took beating a very good Miami, 2 took beating D. McNabb at Cuse and each of them included a win over WVU. Once you beat real teams to win a conference title, you can talk. In the back of your mind, you know your boys are 4th place in the ACC :laugh:


It has to suck that your program cant ever win a game at the end of the season and you are left bragging about a meaningless OOC game that was your only big win all year. :thumbsup: I know you and your VT bretheren are tired of hearing the "thug" card. But youve made your bed. Now you gotta sleep in it. Keep defending Marcus Vick. It makes me chuckle. :laugh: This guys sums it up pretty well, if you care to read it. (you'll probably ignore it and pretend it doesnt exist) http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=51823

Points to December 3rd 2004. Also points to the fact that the game meant so much to you PB, you actually created a thread about VT 6 weeks later, too much of a wuss to take the heat during and right after the game. I give MH and TEG credit, they were here in early October, ate crow, and moved on.

Along with that, the stain of Marcus is going to quickly be gone with the shine of Tyrod Taylor. His era begins with his commitment this Friday, and the galaxy of stars he will bring to "Thug U"



I gotta check out this crystal ball of yours. I bet its SWEET! :laugh:

Lets once again analyze yours


Not a chance. I guess you are conveniently forgetting a coupla those games? :whoknows: Whatever, your offense is going to be woeful. Like, sorry, awful, terrible, horrendous. We'd beat your asses like we did Georgia, also in your own house.


Once again, historical trends say the complete opposite :laugh:

http://hokiestone.net/v/WardBlock.gif

[Major Harris]

NCAA forum.


Take the politics to the tailgate.


Seriously INXSive. I DARE you to start this topic in the tailgate and see what people have to say about Byrd. I dare you.
inxsive would get eaten up in the tailgate, maybe worse than he does here.

i double that dare, inxs. seriously, take that to tailgate.

[PleaseBlitz]

Of course you will. When it cost you undefeated

Weve discussed this before. That game had zippy effect on the outcome of the season. Again, i will take that tradeoff EVERY SINGLE YEAR. And so would you.


You see the crystal ball quote you left below. Pot meet kettle. With our WR's, and any of our QB's, oh as well as our stable of rb's, we'd pass all over you in the first half, then pound down your asses in the 2nd half with the running game. Sounds kinda familiar from this past October doesn't it?

And if you honestly think this D will have trouble against the spread O? :laugh:

YOU yourself have expressed concerns about your OLine. Its not going to be good, it doesnt take a crystal ball to see that. You dont even know who your QB is going to be, but they wont have taken a snap in the NC2A's. Tough to move the ball with a bad Oline and no QB. We shall see.

Selective memory. Typical. In the past decade we have 4, count em, 4 conference titles and a national championship appearance. Every single conference title took beating a very good Miami, 2 took beating D. McNabb at Cuse and each of them included a win over WVU. Once you beat real teams to win a conference title, you can talk. In the back of your mind, you know your boys are 4th place in the ACC :laugh:

:laugh: OK, whats VT's record in December???

And seriously, if you are going to go back to the days of Donovan McNabb, can i go back to the days of Major Harris?

Seems to me we'd be first in the ACC. Thats what the coaches AND the writers say. #5. :nana:



Points to December 3rd 2004. Also points to the fact that the game meant so much to you PB, you actually created a thread about VT 6 weeks later, too much of a wuss to take the heat during and right after the game. I give MH and TEG credit, they were here in early October, ate crow, and moved on.

Did i EVER post in the NCAA forum then? I didnt even know the NCAA forum existed, which is why that thread was in the freaking Tailgate. And if you are bringing that crap up, im just going to assume that you are running out of straws to grasp at.

Along with that, the stain of Marcus is going to quickly be gone with the shine of Tyrod Taylor. His era begins with his commitment this Friday, and the galaxy of stars he will bring to "Thug U"

:jerk: Ok, pin your hopes on 1 recruit that hasnt done a thing in the NC2A yet. I'll take the recruits that 2 Heisman candidates are going to bring in.



Once again, historical trends say the complete opposite :laugh: Not really.

http://hokiestone.net/v/WardBlock.gif

OMG. ONE good block in ONE game. Wow, you have certainly put me in my place. :rolleyes:


In conclusion, what is your point? Is it that WVU isnt a great football program? Is it that WVU is going to go broke? What is your point? Do you have one, or do you just enjoy sniping at WVU because they are looking so damn good right now, and a haters gotta hate.


:cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

inxsive would get eaten up in the tailgate, maybe worse than he does here.

i double that dare, inxs. seriously, take that to tailgate.

I know he would, thats why I want him to do it.


I believe everytime he posts from now on, i think someone should bring this up until he actually does it. :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

In conclusion, what is your point? Is it that WVU isnt a great football program? Is it that WVU is going to go broke? What is your point? Do you have one, or do you just enjoy sniping at WVU because they are looking so damn good right now, and a haters gotta hate.


:cheers:

Because its so damn easy PB.

Until your little thread back in December, I honestly didn't care about WVU, and you can look at my posting history, there may be all of 3 posts in regards to WVU that I have made since 2002

The whole point about Tyrod. If our program was known was a thug choking program, you don't get the big time guys like Tyrod Taylor to seriously consider you. Clearly, your perception is far from reality.

What is your point in all of this? That you can't beat us on the field so grasp for any other fleeting thing you can? You have grasped at any item you can when all I need to do is point to the scoreboard. That is where it matters, period. While I admire your passion for your team, its been rather pathetic to observe your VT obsession the past 7 months

One block in one game? :laugh: That was a block heard round the world, busted that game open to another blowout win over WVU. We have had lots of those of late

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think you will agree with me here PB, thank god there is less then 6 weeks till kick off and we can talk about the games and none of this BS

Here is to a fun season :cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

Because its so damn easy PB.

Until your little thread back in December, I honestly didn't care about WVU, and you can look at my posting history, there may be all of 3 posts in regards to WVU that I have made since 2002

The whole point about Tyrod. If our program was known was a thug choking program, you don't get the big time guys like Tyrod Taylor to seriously consider you. Clearly, your perception is far from reality.

What is your point in all of this? That you can't beat us on the field so grasp for any other fleeting thing you can? You have grasped at any item you can when all I need to do is point to the scoreboard. That is where it matters, period. While I admire your passion for your team, its been rather pathetic to observe your VT obsession the past 7 months

One block in one game? :laugh: That was a block heard round the world, busted that game open to another blowout win over WVU. We have had lots of those of late


:bsflag:

So you are basing your whole programs perception in the nations eyes based on 1 recruit???? Thats absurd. You guys are seen nationwide as a thug choking program. Its gotten that rep over several years, and its not going to change overnight. Go back and read that thread in the tailgate. You'll see what people think.

I especially liked this comment by Micheal Wilbon:
"the Virginia Tech football team is a big bully. It can beat all the littles in the world. And every time they have to play one of the Big Boys, like Miami or Florida State, they lose and look bad doing it. This is the worst Florida State team in modern history. It had 4 losses, was un-ranked, and nothing special. And the Hokies choked like Mama Cass on a chicken bone. I don't want to hear anymore about Virginia Tech anytime soon."

and this one by you:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1903241&postcount=19

And talk about obsessions? What is the title of this thread? What did i write in my 5th post? How many VT threads die with less than 5 replies? How many WVU threads do the same? Who bumped this thread after it had died when they found one little tidbit after finding an article on the WVU/Marshall game?

Let investigate the obsession a bit deeper:

WVU thread: WVU Financials: 44 posts and counting, half by hokies.
VT thread: VT verbals class of 2007: 1 post. 0 by WVU fans.
VT: Mick Vick: 1 post.
VT: Tyrod Taylor Chat: 4 posts. 0 by WVU fans
WVU: RichRod gets contract extension: 34 half by hokies
VT: CFN VT preview: 4. 0 by WVU fans.
WVU: Fair assessment of WVU (Started by H4S): 66 posts 2/3 by hokies
WVU: WW to WVU(Started by you, turned out to be :pooh:): 34. Half by hokies
WVU: Bruce Feldman top 25: 38 posts. Half by hokies

Is the picture getting a little clearer? So you mention that WVU is "obsessed" with VT, but where is all this discussion happening. In threads about WVU that VT fans come in to pick a fight, hoping that THIS TIME they wont get pie faced.


See, the WVU fans by and large leave VT threads alone. I only see ONE WVU thread that wasnt instantly invaded by you and your retarded cohorts trying to bash WVU in an attempt to bring them down. The facts are right there in front of you. Open your eyes. The truth shall set you free.

[PleaseBlitz]

I think you will agree with me here PB, thank god there is less then 6 weeks till kick off and we can talk about the games and none of this BS

Here is to a fun season :cheers:


August 2 cant come quickly enough. And I dont have a ****ing ticket yet! :cuss:




:cheers:

[Diggs]

Okay, I'd love to chime in here. :D


The whole point about Tyrod. If our program was known was a thug choking program, you don't get the big time guys like Tyrod Taylor to seriously consider you. Clearly, your perception is far from reality.

Get used to it SHK, VT is trying to be big time college football with the rest of them. Sure they will get some good-standing student athletes, but will get their share of "thugs" as well. Just like Miami. Just like Ohio State. Just like West Virginia. PB posted what one influential college sports writer thought what your program was known as. That Gator Bowl last year when you guys needed that 4th quarter burst to beat Louisville with a walk-on QB showed the country more than you think. Not only counting the obvious "stompgate" which should've led to ejected but also Jimmy Williams getting the boot as well for "touching" a ref. But, that is neither here nor there.

What is your point in all of this? That you can't beat us on the field so grasp for any other fleeting thing you can? You have grasped at any item you can when all I need to do is point to the scoreboard. That is where it matters, period.

Agreed, scoreboard matters but think about this for a second. Would you rather LOSE to WVU only, then go on to win a big-time BCS bowl game? Or would you rather beat WVU, then go on to a more disappointing season where you win a ho-hum bowl game? From the sounds of it, you'd rather just beat WVU and care less about the bigger picture? That sounds obsessive, whereas PB has repeatedly said he'll take that "trade" anyday.

One block in one game? :laugh: That was a block heard round the world, busted that game open to another blowout win over WVU. We have had lots of those of late

Whoa, let's not get crazy here. That block--although a nasty one--was just that. It was on a special teams return (?) in the 2000 game which happened to be Nehlen's last year so we weren't exactly worldbeaters. If we want to talk about the past scoreboards, games, etc. Take a look at this stat:

VT Series vs. WVU: WVU leads 28-22-1

So.. all time, WVU > VT
Present, WVU (~#5) > VT (~#15)

:cheers:

EDIT: Damn, I started this post an hour ago, did some work and came back to finish it and you guys signed a peace treaty! :doh:

Here's to WVU sucking their way to the National Championship game! :cheers:

[The Evil Genius]

Here's to WVU sucking their way to the National Championship game!

And going broke doing it. :laugh:

[EersSkins05]

And going broke doing it. :laugh:

At least the admin at VT will be able to buy top-shelf hooch with all of that money they're making to drown his sorrows away... lol

[Inxsive]

inxsive would get eaten up in the tailgate, maybe worse than he does here.

i double that dare, inxs. seriously, take that to tailgate.

Next time he's in the news I'll be glad to. If I miss a new article on him in the news, just message me and I'll start it. I'm sure in the near future he'll show up to the Russell or Hart Office building after he forgot his pants at home. Keep in mind, he not only was a KKK member but a KKK organizer. I'm sure sure he's a big WVU:dunce: fan as well. Hmmmm, maybe the hat on your new logo ":dunce:" is more than just a dunce hat.

Back to football....

I see the debate continues of which team was better last year VT or WVU.
The idea that one head to head game can't decide which team was better was brought up by WVU fans, of course. Fine, lets look at some stats that favor either side depending on which one we are talking about. Here are a few stats to compare, make your own conclusions;

Things that favor VT:

1) In WV, 34-17 road win for VT.
2) VT played 5 games against top 25 teams, WVU played 3
3) VT beat 3 top 25 teams, WV 2
4) VT played 8 Div 1A teams with winning records, WVU played 4
5) VT was 2-0 against Big East teams, WVU was 1-1 against the ACC

Things that favor WVU:

1) WVU-1 loss, VT-2 losses
2) WVU final poll ranking 5th or 6th, VT 7th


If you choose to solely base your opinion on poll ranking, no problem, just stick with that philosiphy going forward.

[EersSkins05]

1) WVU-1 loss, VT-2 losses
2) WVU final poll ranking 5th or 6th, VT 7th

If you choose to solely base your opinion on poll ranking, no problem, just stick with that philosiphy going forward.

Don't forget-
3) WVU- didn't crap the bed on the national stage and blow its chance at a BCS Bowl Game, VT- did
4) WVU- won a BCS Bowl against the champion from the best conference in college football (who was playing in their own back yard), VT- Won the Gator Bowl against the 2nd place team from the Big East, needing a 4th quarter splurge to defeat a team starting a walk-on backup QB with a severely broken nose.

[Diggs]

Don't forget-
3) WVU- didn't crap the bed on the national stage and blow its chance at a BCS Bowl Game, VT- did
4) WVU- won a BCS Bowl against the champion from the best conference in college football (who was playing in their own back yard), VT- Won the Gator Bowl against the 2nd place team from the Big East, needing a 4th quarter splurge to defeat a team starting a walk-on backup QB with a severely broken nose.

There really isn't any use fighting over this anymore. People are going to see and believe what they will. The fact is WVU is in great shape right now and you can't stop people from hating them from that. The Hokies will be fine as well. Every team has their ups and downs. VT's biggest up was when MV1 led them to the title game. That season, they barely got by a 4-7 WVU team. This era could be WVU's "golden era" for football. Weaker opponents? Sure. Better talent on our squad? You bet. Enjoy every second of this Mountaineer fans, cuz the others are hating every second of it. :cool:

[Inxsive]

Don't forget-
3) WVU- didn't crap the bed on the national stage and blow its chance at a BCS Bowl Game, VT- did
4) WVU- won a BCS Bowl against the champion from the best conference in college football (who was playing in their own back yard), VT- Won the Gator Bowl against the 2nd place team from the Big East, needing a 4th quarter splurge to defeat a team starting a walk-on backup QB with a severely broken nose.

If you’re talking opponents, I'll agree with you that beating a Big Least :drool: school isn't nearly as impressive as beating an SEC school. As for the games themselves, I guess you think coming from behind to win by double digits is less impressive than nearly blowing a 4 TD lead and just holding on by a FG.:doh: I shouldn't be surprised, WVU :dunce: fans have a history of explaining away double digit victories by other teams, kinda like 34-17. That's the game to start with to decide which team was better , the game where they actually played each other?

[Inxsive]

Enjoy every second of this Mountaineer fans, cuz the others are hating every second of it. :cool:


Not hating your excitement at all, your blind faith is just an easy target. It's like salmon swimming upstream to spawn, blindly jumping out of the water, and bears just picking them off one at a time.:D

[EersSkins05]

If you’re talking opponents, I'll agree with you that beating a Big Least :drool: school isn't nearly as impressive as beating an SEC school. As for the games themselves, I guess you think coming from behind to win by double digits is less impressive than nearly blowing a 3 TD lead and just holding on by a FG.:doh: I shouldn't be surprised, WVU :dunce: fans have a history of explaining away double digit victories by other teams, kinda like 34-17. That's the game to start with to decide which team was better , the game where they actually played each other?

Hey, you were listing the factors to be considered, not me. Point to the portion in which any of what I said wasn't true, or was subjective at all.

[Diggs]

As for the games themselves, I guess you think coming from behind to win by double digits is less impressive than nearly blowing a 3 TD lead and just holding on by a FG.:doh:

Huh? Why the hell did the team get down by double digits in the first place?

I shouldn't be surprised, WVU :dunce: fans have a history of explaining away double digit victories by other teams, kinda like 34-17. That's the game to start with to decide which team was better , the game where they actually played each other?

Have you learned anything yet? I thought we went over this before. But we'll spell it out for you this time.

(2005-06 score)
D-U-K-E 74
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E 79

So Florida State is better than Duke? Do you even watch sports?

[Inxsive]

Hey, you were listing the factors to be considered, not me. Point to the portion in which any of what I said wasn't true, or was subjective at all.

I specifically just listed facts without commentary within them. If you want to add the commentary, that’s cool, but expect a response. I noticed you didn’t mention your team nearly blowing a 28pt lead and barely hanging on when you said VT had a splurge late in the game to win by double digits, so I pointed it out. I really appreciate you pointing out the weakness of the VT opponent in the bowl game. Most other WVU fans won’t acknowledge the weakness of their conference without a bunch of excuses..

[Inxsive]

Huh? Why the hell did the team get down by double digits in the first place?



Have you learned anything yet? I thought we went over this before. But we'll spell it out for you this time.

(2005-06 score)
D-U-K-E 74
F-L-O-R-I-D-A S-T-A-T-E 79

So Florida State is better than Duke? Do you even watch sports?

:rotflmao: Can you read Diggs? Really can you? I said the head to head game is the place to START. Are you with me? :handicap:Focus here buddy. I really thought a ONE syllable word might make it through to you. Oh well. Just so we all know going forward you feel that it's better to almost blow a 28 pt lead and win by 3 rather than come from behind and win by 11. I just want to be clear so when the reverse happens for WVU and you reverse yourself we have another example of your hypocrisy.

[The Evil Genius]

Congrats to to VPI for coming back against a 2nd place Big East team (you know, that conference in which a lot of ACC'ers are thumbing their noses at) who was missing their pro ready QB and playing with a walk-on freshman making his 2nd college start.

[PleaseBlitz]

:rotflmao: Can you read Diggs? Really can you? I said the head to head game is the place to START. Are you with me? :handicap:Focus here buddy. I really thought a ONE syllable word might make it through to you. Oh well. Just so we all know going forward you feel that it's better to almost blow a 28 pt lead and win by 3 rather than come from behind and win by 11. I just want to be clear so when the reverse happens for WVU and you reverse yourself we have another example of your hypocrisy.


Winning the Sugar Bowl under ANY circumstances is far more impressive than winning the Gator Bowl under ANY circumstances.


Winning the Sugar Bowl against the SEC Champs is FAR FAR more impressive than winning the Gator Bowl against a team that just lost its starting QB, best player and offensive lynchpin.

You have to GET a 28 point lead in order to "almost blow" it. You have to be losing to come from behind.


I want to be clear, because, well, youre not very smart. :laugh:

[EersSkins05]

I just want to be clear so when the reverse happens for WVU and you reverse yourself we have another example of your hypocrisy.

http://www.sworddragon.com/passions/images/montoya2.jpg

"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

[Diggs]

http://www.sworddragon.com/passions/images/montoya2.jpg

"You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

:rotflmao:

Great use of a quote from The Princess Bride.
Fezzik would be proud.

http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptionsbook/pb/fezzik.jpg