Trade for Jamaal Magloire coming soon(or so they say)

[DonMagicJuan]

i know we already herad it but here we go again....

from NBA insider today(July 11th 2006)

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

Magloire Moving Soon?
Jul 11 - The Racine Journal Times reports Jamaal Magloire is expected to be traded in the next couple of days. According to the newspaper, some NBA officials claim the Bucks are still weighing offers from five teams, with Washington being one of them and that Jared Jeffries and Antonio Daniels have been prominently mentioned as trade bait. The newspaper also reports that Etan Thomas has also been mentioned in trade talks.

looks like the next couple of days should be getting interesting for Wizards Basketball!

[dawgjk9]

i dont wanan give up AD..he played real good for us. wouldnt be so sad to see jeffries and etan go though i guess.

[Warhead36]

No way would I give up AD. He is our bench.

I'd say any two of the three: Haywood, Thomas, and Jeffries.

[arenasisgod]

No to AD, he's a rock. Yes to the rest

[Kevin101]

Etan for Magloire :) :) :) :) :) :)
wishful thinking

[chronicdesi]

Hopefully we can move Etan. I think he can still be a solid player, but we have too much money tied into him. How big of a price tag is Jamal coming with?

[GOSKINS_08]

I hope we dont give up Antonio Daniels.

[Skinned]

How big of a price tag is Jamal coming with?

Just this season at $8.3m

[LiveStrongSkins]

moves like this ensure arenas will be gone in a few seasons

[GOSKINS_08]

moves like this ensure arenas will be gone in a few seasons

Getting help at center does?

[LiveStrongSkins]

Getting help at center does?

Letting his best friend walk last year does. Trading away two of his closest friends from last years squad in a trade for an average big man does too. To give away AD and Jeffries would be taking a step back in my opinion.

[Gamebreaker]

No to Daniels. Yes to Haywood or Etan. Haywood is just dead weight, and freeing up Etan's contract would allow us to do more in improving our roster.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Haywood is gone... whoever else is filler.


You have to remember it is JJ's decision to stay or leave, lets not act like we would be under paying him by giving him the MLE... I'm sure Gil knows that.

Magloire is under 28 and he has made the all-star team as a center. That is far from an average center, in my book.


The thing I want is to make sure is that if we bring in Magloir he signs to a reasonable contract to us and we don't lose him like Peja left Indiana.

I'm listening to Gilbert talk about FA moves right now on the Wiz website, you guys should check it out.

1st he talks about the USA Team, then the Wiz

[GOSKINS_08]

Letting his best friend walk last year does. Trading away two of his closest friends from last years squad in a trade for an average big man does too. To give away AD and Jeffries would be taking a step back in my opinion.

I dont think we will get rid of Daniels, and if we cant resign Jeffries, which I hope we can keep Jeffries, but if we cant resign him why not get something for him?

[mhd24]

Haywood is better than Jamaal Magloire.

Haywood VS. Magloire:

In 1879 minutes, Haywood had 104 blocks
In 2465 minutes, Magloire had 80 blocks

In 1879 minutes, Haywood had 97 turnovers
In 2465 minutes, Magloire had 166 turnovers

In 1879 minutes, Haywood shot 51%
In 2465 minutes, Magloire shot 46.7%

In 1879 minutes, Haywood had 30 steals
In 2465 minutes, Magloire had 29 steals

Plus, Magloire will be looking for a fat extension in the off-season. Haywood is far fewer minutes, shoots better, blocks a significant more shots, plays better defense, and is signed to a long term cheap contract. Haywood also turns the ball over much less often.

Moreover, (taken from realgm)

"He also shot just 46.7% from the floor (poor for a big man -- Haywood "regressed" to 51.4%; Etan shot 53.3%), and just 53.5% from the ft line. And, he committed turnovers on about 17% of his possessions used -- worse than Haywood and Etan. He averaged 1.3 blocks per 40 minutes vs. Haywood's 2.2 and Etan's 2.4. To put that in perspective, Magloire played 590 minutes more than Haywood last season, but Haywood had 24 more blocks.

Magloire produced 95 points per 100 possessions last season -- Haywood and Etan both produced 110. The league average was 106. And, Magloire managed to be that inefficient offensively despite the fact that he used relatively few possessions. In other words, he got to be selective in his shot attempts, and he still had the league's 4th worst offensive rating (among players with at least 1500 total minutes).

He rebounds well. Other than that, he was bad."


Would I trade Etan for Magloire? Absolutley to get out of his crappy contract (Etan's). Comparing the players though, shows Haywood is superior to Magloire in most aspects of the game (sans rebounding).

[mhd24]

You have to remember it is JJ's decision to stay or leave, lets not act like we would be under paying him by giving him the MLE... I'm sure Gil knows that.




JJ is a restricted FA which means the Wizards hold all the cards. No team is stupid enough to give him anywhere near the mle (If they were they would have done so). The Wizards can match any offer, but will probably do a S&T if a decent offer comes through.

[Mooka]

Haywood is better than Jamaal Magloire.

...

Would I trade Etan for Magloire? Absolutley to get out of his crappy contract (Etan's). Comparing the players though, shows Haywood is superior to Magloire in most aspects of the game (sans rebounding). Dude, you can't use selective stats to say Brendan is better then Jamaal. He isn't.

When healthy Jamaal can be an all-star center and averages a double-double. Brendan sucks and has the worst footwork I've ever seen; looks like he has cement bricks tied to his feet. He can't seal on the post, he has no post moves and he's an average at best rebounder. I've seen pretty much no improvement in Brendan in the past 4 seasons and there's no reason to believe he'll improve in the future.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Yeah Mooka, mhd loves to pump up Haywood with stats, when anyone who has seen Haywood play knows he is slow footed and couldn't jump over a stick of gum if his momma was on the other side.

Haywood also has the heart of a rotten cantalope. That smells and annoys everyone around it.

[mhd24]

Again, why is Magloire an upgrade. Despite playing much more often last year and with a very good frontcourt player in Bogut, he couldn't block shots, steal the ball, and had a horrid field goal percentage for a big man. Big men should shoot above 50% from the field. Magloire has shot above 50% from the field only once in his career. Haywood has done it every single year. Turnovers are one of the most important stats in basketball. Magloire is one of the most turnover proned big men in the nba. How can Magloire be such an upgrade when he:
1) Turns the ball over more.
2) Blocks fewer shots.
3) Shoots a worse percentage from the field.
4) Shoots a worse percentage from the FT line. (One of your pet peeves regarding big men xx)
5) Costs more and will demand a big raise after the season.
6) Doesn't steal the ball as much.
7) Is a worse man-to-man defender.
8) Isn't a good fit for an uptempo team. (See his play last year. See why the Hornets traded him because they knew they wanted to go uptempo with Paul as the PG. See why the Bucks struggled because he couldn't keep up with eveyrone else on the team who was suited to such a style.)

Oh and the all-star game? Who cares if he made it once? Tyrone Hill made the all star game once too. So did Wally Szerbiak. Are they difference makers? Trading Haywood for a one year rental is stupid, especially considering the Wizards are coming up potential max cap room coming up. You don't committ a signnificant chunk of cap on a guy who's nothing more than average. Last year, Magloire was the fourth worst offensive player in the nba regarding efficiency. If you want some more in depth stuff on these specialized stats, you should go to realgm.com and go the Wizards board.


Would I trade JJ for Magloire? Perhaps, and going towards yes because we'd save on future cap. Would I trade Etan? Heck yes, but I'd trade Etan over anything at the moment. Time to see if Ramos can handle 10-15 mpg a night.

[Mooka]

You're still just pulling up useless states. The differences between them in Blocks/Steals/TO's is negligable. Brendan could shoot 100% and I wouldn't be impressed, not when he takes 5shots per game and all his buckets consist of open dunks and put-backs. He can't create his own shot and has no post game. So saying he shoots a better FG percentage is a useless argument. Jamaal is a better FT shooter, btw.

The Bucks aren't traing Jamaal because he doesn't fit their uptempto style, they're trading him because they gave up the house to get him and he was a bust. This being his contract year makes him good trade bait.

[fixer26er]

You're still just pulling up useless states. The differences between them in Blocks/Steals/TO's is negligable. Brendan could shoot 100% and I wouldn't be impressed, not when he takes 5shots per game and all his buckets consist of open dunks and put-backs. He can't create his own shot and has no post game. So saying he shoots a better FG percentage is a useless argument. Jamaal is a better FT shooter, btw.

The Bucks aren't traing Jamaal because he doesn't fit their uptempto style, they're trading him because they gave up the house to get him and he was a bust. This being his contract year makes him good trade bait.

You just said it yourself, he was a bust. He had one good year. The only thing Magloire does better then Haywood is rebound. He's older, gets paid more and he doesn't fit the Wizards style.

mhd is right, Haywood is the better overall player and the wiz would be stupid to trade him for Magloire.

[hands11]

i dont wanan give up AD..he played real good for us. wouldnt be so sad to see jeffries and etan go though i guess.

Just what I was going to write.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3418

Dame this dude can rebound.

[Big C]

the dude posting the haywood better than magloire bs is forgetting the most important statistic...rebounding. haywood shoots a good %, but scores like 6 ppg. magloire is a top 10 rebounder in the league, and we need his rebounding on the defensive end...how many 2nd chance points did we give up last year in the playoffs? this is a good trade, as long as we avoid giving up AD

[bulldog]

Haywood has to be dealt. His relationship with Jordan is poor and if the team is going to make an investment in Eddie for the next 2-3 years with a new deal he has to be able to start with a team that he feels he can win with.

Brendan at several points in 2005 seemed to give up on the team with poor uninspired peformances. He had to be shamed into playing better.

This kind of thing shouldn't be happening on a team that hopes to contend down the road.

A contending team can't have self-doubters like Haywood on it.

As far as Daniels goes, yes he can be a valuable player but a 31 year old guard who scores 10.0 points per game is a luxury to keep when you have a front court that regularly gets handed its lunch against the better clubs.

[Taylor 21]

If we trade AD, im gonna be really, REALLY mad.

[Fatty P For The Pulitzer]

Haywood is better than Jamaal Magloire.

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Would I trade Etan for Magloire? Absolutley to get out of his crappy contract (Etan's). Comparing the players though, shows Haywood is superior to Magloire in most aspects of the game (sans rebounding).

Gee, with Haywood's stats/min, you'd think he was on the cusp of being an All-Star center. You forgot one thing: he has the toughness of a baby kitty. This is why he plays fewer than 25 min/game while Magloire plays over 30 min/game. Magloire averaged 1 more def reb/game than Haywood averaged total reb/game. Blocks/game was 1.3 to 1.0, in favor of Haywood, probably the only meaningful stat where Haywood is an upgrade over Magloire. But I'd gladly sacrifice Haywood's long arms swatting at guards slashing to the hoop for some interior toughness and coordination.

If AD is in the deal, it's a real bad move. If it's Jeffries, than the Bucks should have to take Etan's contract. Him and Haywood are both mediocre backup Cs, so we should stick with Haywood's more reasonable contract. But with Haywood's deteriorating relationship with EJ, and his higher trade value because of the contract, it would likely be him and JJ.

[Skinned]

Other than his poor FT% this year and the fact that he only scored double figures in 2 of the Bucks last 20 games, I would be in favor of trading for him. He is a pretty consistent big man who has averaged:

02-03 10.3pts 8.9 rebs
03-04 13.6 pts 10.4 rebs
04-05 11.7 pts 8.9 rebs
05-06 9.2 pts 9.5 rebs

In previous years he performed well at the line (including 75% just 2 years ago).

Compare to Brenda:

02-03 6.2pts 5.0 rebs
03-04 7 pts 5 rebs
04-05 9.4 pts 6.9 rebs
05-06 7.3 pts 5.9 rebs

[jtyler42]

I would be disappointed to see Daniels go, but if he did Navarro might come over and Taylor will just have to step his game up...

Magliore would really help us on the boards and he would give us a post presence early in games...

[Mooka]

You just said it yourself, he was a bust. He had one good year. The only thing Magloire does better then Haywood is rebound. He's older, gets paid more and he doesn't fit the Wizards style.

mhd is right, Haywood is the better overall player and the wiz would be stupid to trade him for Magloire. He was a bust for what they gave up for him; cash, Desmond Mason and a 1st rounder.

The only thing Jamaal does better then Brendan is rebound? No... He's more physical and he's better offensively in the post and facing his defender. I don't know why anyone is arguing this anyway, Brendan will be gone and he sucks anyway...

I'd be very happy for any trade to get Jamaal without giving up any draft picks.

[Big C]

etan will be part of this deal 99% sure of it if the deal happens. bucks were the team that tried to sign him to the big deal when he was a RFA. dont care if jeffries leaves at this point

[Big C]

last year for magloire was strange, they played with 2 centers (him and bogut) which usually isnt the smartest thing. if he comes here he will average 10-12 rebounds a game

[Erigion]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/11/AR2006071101030.html

Well we're not getting rid of Etan for Magloire. No GM would be that stupid, except for Thomas. Seems like if it does happen it'll be for JJ or AD straight up.

In hindsight, matching that contract for Etan was a horrible decision.

[fixer26er]

He was a bust for what they gave up for him; cash, Desmond Mason and a 1st rounder.

The only thing Jamaal does better then Brendan is rebound? No... He's more physical and he's better offensively in the post and facing his defender. I don't know why anyone is arguing this anyway, Brendan will be gone and he sucks anyway...

I'd be very happy for any trade to get Jamaal without giving up any draft picks.

Mason was expendable because they signed Bobby Simmons and the first round pick was what, the 15th pick? They didn't give up very much for him. There's a reason he'll be on his third team in as many years at the start of next season. He's not that good. He's living off of one all-star appearance that he made by default. His stats have gone down the last three years and thats not a good sign. If he is such a superior offensive player how come his career points per game average is only 2 points higher than Haywoods with a considerable advantage in shot attempts?

This team needs a low post presence, but I don't think Magloire is the answer. I wouldn't give up Daniels, Jeffries or Haywood for him. The only person I would trade for Magloire would be Etan, but Larry Harris already said that ain't happening. Even if the Wizards do acquire him it won't matter how well he plays, we all know EJ loves his small ball and Magloire will only play 22 minutes a game.

[hands11]

Dude, you can't use selective stats to say Brendan is better then Jamaal. He isn't.

When healthy Jamaal can be an all-star center and averages a double-double. Brendan sucks and has the worst footwork I've ever seen; looks like he has cement bricks tied to his feet. He can't seal on the post, he has no post moves and he's an average at best rebounder. I've seen pretty much no improvement in Brendan in the past 4 seasons and there's no reason to believe he'll improve in the future.


No improvement is not true.

[arenasisgod]

Mason was expendable because they signed Bobby Simmons and the first round pick was what, the 15th pick? They didn't give up very much for him. There's a reason he'll be on his third team in as many years at the start of next season. He's not that good. He's living off of one all-star appearance that he made by default. His stats have gone down the last three years and thats not a good sign. If he is such a superior offensive player how come his career points per game average is only 2 points higher than Haywoods with a considerable advantage in shot attempts?

This team needs a low post presence, but I don't think Magloire is the answer. I wouldn't give up Daniels, Jeffries or Haywood for him. The only person I would trade for Magloire would be Etan, but Larry Harris already said that ain't happening. Even if the Wizards do acquire him it won't matter how well he plays, we all know EJ loves his small ball and Magloire will only play 22 minutes a game.
I pretty much agree on all counts. The lumbering bigmen are a thing of the past in today's NBA, although Maglore in a contract year will likely step up like all lumbering big men do in their contract year.

[Mooka]

No improvement is not true. Alright, he doesn't travel every time he touches the ball in the post anymore... :silly:

[Big C]

it says in the article from wp that they didnt want to trade AD, or even aquire magloire but who knows

[hands11]

Alright, he doesn't travel every time he touches the ball in the post anymore... :silly:


and he doesnt have hands of stone anymore.
and he added a hook shot.

He is not Patick Ewing but he is getting better.

Look at JJ. He is taken a long time to get better but he has also.

It has helped that the team is stabilizing but even last year we added a decent amount of players with Caron and AD. We had another guard then he left. We had a new back up PG. Hayes was out.

I can't get away from the fact that we havent had a pure experienced PG here in so long. How can you really judge our bigs when you dont have an exstablished PG. They dont create thier own offense like a guard or SF does.

I remember Haywood and Etan blowing it out again Chicago in the playoffs but Gil, AJ and Hughes just kept launching shots while shooting under 40%. Etan and Haywood shot over 50% but got few touches.

PGs make Centers a lot better.

[da#1skinsfan]

That happened frequently where the bigs shot 50%.....2 for 4. They just arent sources of points in this offense. I like the comment above...no matter who's in there, they'll play their 22 minutes a game. Good point.

[hands11]

He was a bust for what they gave up for him; cash, Desmond Mason and a 1st rounder.

The only thing Jamaal does better then Brendan is rebound? No... He's more physical and he's better offensively in the post and facing his defender. I don't know why anyone is arguing this anyway, Brendan will be gone and he sucks anyway...

I'd be very happy for any trade to get Jamaal without giving up any draft picks.

Draft picks we have to give away. We are so young and have enough young dev players in the wings. We could give up a draft pick for a year. NP

[hands11]

That happened frequently where the bigs shot 50%.....2 for 4. They just arent sources of points in this offense. I like the comment above...no matter who's in there, they'll play their 22 minutes a game. Good point.


You must not remember the games well. It wasnt just a matter for shooting a low number.

I dont want to see AD go because I want him to start at PG.
Why would you even want Gil to be the PG. I want him scoring.
AD is much better suited for the job.

And if we have AD at PG with Gil at the 2 and Caron at the 3, our big will play better. That will always be the case. Even TD and Shaq needs to get feed the ball.

[clathel]

Magloire in this offense wil be dynamic. He is a defensive presence and wanted to be included more on offense...he complained about the bad looks he got and lack of time playing the offensive role...but EJ is an offensive master and will teach him how to get the good looks and utilize his offensive abilties much better. He will turn into a LH type player that plays defense well and offense better.

[Erigion]

Magloire in this offense won't do much. Haywood has complained about the number of offensive touches he gets per game, hasn't helped much. This is a guard/forward oriented offense. Arenas, Butler, and Jamison will dominate possession of the ball.

Haywood as his price tag is a just fine. You're not going to get much better at those prices.

We need to see if the Knicks would take Etan Thomas off our hands. That would be great.

[da#1skinsfan]

Youre right, it wasnt just a matter of shooting a low number, it was also a matter of Brendan and Etan having ZERO offensive skills and no coordination whatsoever.

The guy above made a point about our offense not centering around the bigs, and I agree with that, thats all Im saying. No matter who we insert in there, no matter who is feeding them the ball, in this offense they'll get 5-8 shots a game.

[Bugs']

No to Daniels. Yes to Haywood or Etan. Haywood is just dead weight, and freeing up Etan's contract would allow us to do more in improving our roster.

I would trade Brendan for Jamaal. We are not a championship contender with Brendan, let's mix it up and see if Jamaal can take us to the next level.

I wouldn't trade AD or JJ for him though.