.........speechless (graphic video)

[SUNSTONE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yX-FIVBGMs&search=fedor


With the way some people talk on this forum, I couldn't think of a better place for this reminder.

[canethang 305]

That's probably the best thread title to match the content.

Wow, makes you think twice about how precious life is.

[jwpanic]

why would you even post this? who comes to the tailgate to get depressed? thanks for the guilt trip!

[GoSkins561]

All I can say is WOW that is a great reminder for any of us who chose not to call a Taxi just to save a few bucks.

[spjunkies]

I did not need to see that.

[SUNSTONE]

why would you even post this? who comes to the tailgate to get depressed? thanks for the guilt trip!


I know, I know.
I just think this is something really important. There is a lot of talks about drinking, and once in awhile a message like this needs to be said.


Also from what I hear, the first DUI will cost you a minimum of 10k.


Did you see the look in that guys eyes who did that?

Haunting.

[shsu1]

I really don't like this kind of shock advertisement. Although it probably should be seen, there are more effective ways to get the message across.

[Pete]

I really don't like this kind of shock advertisement. Although it probably should be seen, there are more effective ways to get the message across.

I can't think of a more effective way to get the point across. It's about as blunt as you can get.

[frankbones]

I can't think of a more effective way to get the point across. It's about as blunt as you can get.

Yeah, but some of us don't need a reminder. We have enough sense to not drink and drive.

Some sort of warning would be nice.

To think something that gruesome can be posted, but the Daily Babe got taken down.

[herrmag]

I think warnings are in order in this thread.

[SUNSTONE]

Yeah, but some of us don't need a reminder. We have enough sense to not drink and drive.

Some sort of warning would be nice.

To think something that gruesome can be posted, but the Daily Babe got taken down.

Does the world revolve around you?

Does every single forum member on this site call a cab when they are over the limit?

If so, then I would be more than happy to pull this down myself.

[RyansRangers]

Good point and message...

A more detailed thread would be appropriate and I think is only fair...

[SUNSTONE]

Good point and message...

A more detailed thread would be appropriate and I think is only fair...

I wanted people to be caught off gaurd.
Who would watch a video if I titled it "Check out this don't drink and drive video"?

[Painkiller]

Nothing wrong with that video. It's reality. Some people need a good smack in the face like this once in a while. Maybe somebody who would have gone out and got trashed this weekend, then decided to ahem "drive a car 150 miles an hour up a tunnel after leaving the club" (I'll point out that thread cause it's recent) will think twice now.

[herrmag]

I agree that this video is fine, but for people with a queazy stomach, there should be a warning such as "Graphic".

[TC4]

I agree with Pete, this NEEDS to me shown, over and over

[nelms]

Nothing wrong with that video. It's reality. Some people need a good smack in the face like this once in a while. Maybe somebody who would have gone out and got trashed this weekend, then decided to ahem "drive a car 150 miles an hour up a tunnel after leaving the club" (I'll point out that thread cause it's recent) will think twice now.
It's not just someone drinking and driving. It's also the fools that go out there doing 120 mph (drunk or not) and brag about it like it's cool or macho. It's really stupid and puts the lives of other drivers out there at risk, which includes me and my family. If you want to do 120 mph, go to a race track where your only going to kill yourself.

[dreamingwolf]

Nothing wrong with that video. It's reality. Some people need a good smack in the face like this once in a while. Maybe somebody who would have gone out and got trashed this weekend, then decided to ahem "drive a car 150 miles an hour up a tunnel after leaving the club" (I'll point out that thread cause it's recent) will think twice now.

I totally got called an old man for suggesting that, carefull your traveling into my terrority of hate on this board.

[Painkiller]

I totally got called an old man for suggesting that, carefull your traveling into my terrority of hate on this board.


Well, I welcome hate that comes from preaching common sense. :)

[frankbones]

Does the world revolve around you?

Does every single forum member on this site call a cab when they are over the limit?

If so, then I would be more than happy to pull this down myself.


What? No, but you seem to think it revolves around you. Not everyone needs or wants to see this video, who the **** are you to deem it necessary to view? It is gruesome and should be labeled as such. Why you feel the need to attack me for requesting such a label tells me you wanted to shock people rather than inform or educate.

I don't need to be slapped in the face about the dangers and idiocy of drunk driving and how it ruins lives. You ever think that someone whose life has been affected severely by a drunk driver, might not want to have old memories dragged up and thrown in their face? Maybe, someone's father who had died due to such negligence.

Drunk driving is a terrible thing. There are lots of terrible things that people do that I don't need to see a video of. A little warning to the content is all I requested. If that makes you think that I believe this board "revolves" around me, than so be it.

[dreamingwolf]

Well, I welcome hate that comes from preaching common sense. :)

for some reason its ok to talk against driving after drinking one beer, but its not ok to say driving super fast or if youve been up for 24 hours.

with the power MADD has they could do alot better if they werent so focused.

[herrmag]

Still no warning of graphic nature. I'm all for the education aspect, but I thought at least a mod would want to warn people before viewing the video. It is graphic. I understand Sunstone's point, but not EVERYONE drives drunk. By the title, most people don't know what they're going to watch, until the VERY BEGINNING.

[SUNSTONE]

Still no warning of graphic nature. I'm all for the education aspect, but I thought at least a mod would want to warn people before viewing the video. It is graphic. I understand Sunstone's point, but not EVERYONE drives drunk. By the title, most people don't know what they're going to watch, until the VERY BEGINNING.

Why don't you go tell that girl, who use to have model looks, that her image is "graphic".

I'm sorry you had to "suffer" a moment in time. There are entire lives RUINED !

:mad:

Everyone needs to suffer with this video.
Maybe they don't drink, but perhaps they may think of this video when they have a chance to stop someone from driving drunk.

It disgusts me at what people say sometimes. :doh:

[SEF]

You should post this link every time we are subjected to the image of someone proudly lying in their own piss at a tailgate party.

[Idaho fan]

To bad the thread has turned into an argument about how offensive the images are.

They may be offensive, but what better way to illustrate the effects of drunk driving. The images are not pleasant to look at - thats the point. I feel terrible for victums of drunk driving - unfortunately there are many.

[stevenaa]

Why don't you go tell that girl, who use to have model looks, that her image is "graphic".

I'm sorry you had to "suffer" a moment in time. There are entire lives RUINED !

:mad:

Everyone needs to suffer with this video.
Maybe they don't drink, but perhaps they may think of this video when they have a chance to stop someone from driving drunk.

It disgusts me at what people say sometimes. :doh:


Some people don't handle this type of thing well and should be warned as to the graphic nature of it. I have no problem with it, but who do you think you are to decide what people need to see. People have the right to decide what they do and don't see. Get off your pompous, sanctimonious high horse and label it as such. It is the decent thing to do.

[stevenaa]

To bad the thread has turned into an argument about how offensive the images are.

They may be offensive, but what better way to illustrate the effects of drunk driving. The images are not pleasant to look at - thats the point. I feel terrible for victums of drunk driving - unfortunately there are many.


A simple label and this thread could have been devouted to the topic. Sunstone has lost any chance to have this foster meaningful conversation.

[Skinz89]

A month or so before school ended, they had a guy, and a few mothers who's children were killed in drunk driving related incidents they came in and told us all of their expiriences.he had come in knew that girl, personally, he said that she had moved here from another country and her goal was to learn to speak english fluently,HERE IS YOUR WARNING, IT GETS INTENSE AFTER THIS POINT!!!

I cant remember if this was the same girl as the one showed in this clip but i think that is is, anyway, here it is...The part that really got me was when he said that they couldnt get her out of the car, and they had to leave her as the car burst into flames for 10 minutes they had to wait for the fire department to arrive, listening to her scream. More than 10-15 minutes later the flames were gone and she was still sitting in the front seat of the car, none of them expected her to be alive... then she said "Help me, please" in english.

[SUNSTONE]

Some people don't handle this type of thing well and should be warned as to the graphic nature of it. I have no problem with it, but who do you think you are to decide what people need to see. People have the right to decide what they do and don't see. Get off your pompous, sanctimonious high horse and label it as such. It is the decent thing to do.


NO! You get off of your pompous, sanctimonious high horse!
You come in my thread demanding what you think is right!
Who do you think you are??!! To decide what I can post and how I can post it???


So they can't handle real life, is that it???
What's going to happen to them??
Are they going to burn up to a complete piece of charcoal?
Will they lose all of hair? All of their skin color?
Will they lose their nose and ears? Their eyelid!!!!!!!!!!!???
Are they going to need eye drops so they don't have to lose an eye??
Will their lives be ruined!!!!??


I tell you what, you come and try to convince me person. :twitch:

This thread isn't some conversation piece. THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT!

[illone]

sunstone, you're a good guy dude.

That said, did you really need to post this the way you did?

[illone]

This thread isn't some conversation piece. THERE'S NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT!

Then why is it showing up on a discussion website?

:whoknows:

[cjcdaman]

I cannot believe how sensitive some people are! It was meant as a "shock-factor". For all of you complaining about the graphic video, can you tell me with all honesty that it didn't make you think how dangerous drunk driving is? Talk about feminization of Amerca. Calm down people.

[herrmag]

I cannot believe how sensitive some people are! It was meant as a "shock-factor". For all of you complaining about the graphic video, can you tell me with all honesty that it didn't make you think how dangerous drunk driving is? Talk about feminization of Amerca. Calm down people.

All I said was put "graphic" in the title. Guess what, child pornography is a REALITY as well. People getting their heads chopped off by terrorists is REALITY. Should I expect to click on an unlabelled link to a video and say "gee, great shock value, I learned a lesson"? Like I said, I have no qualms with this video, but I'm sure some people don't want to see this. And it sure as hell isn't Sunstone's right to determine what people should and shouldn't view.

[SUNSTONE]

sunstone, you're a good guy dude.

That said, did you really need to post this the way you did?


This is how stupid and selfish some people are on this forum and in this world......

The only thing anyone could make a case for, is the dead person on the table who is completely burned up.
That's a split second scene.....

Other than that, you are talking about a living human being!!!!!
A victim.........a victim who is being made more of a victim becuase now she is "graphic in nature".

Does she need to wear a sign on her when ever she goes out saying "Warning, I'm graphic looking, not for the faint of heart"????!!!!

What's the matter with you people!!! Don't you have a heart!!! Don't you have a soul!!!!!!!

What if she was reading this??? Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :mad:

[cjcdaman]

And it sure as hell isn't Sunstone's right to determine what people should and shouldn't view.

Good point. But he isn't determining whether you open the thread or not. I guess if he did post "Graphic" in the title, all of this arguing would have never happened . . . but you guys are fighting over something stupid. You feel that he should have posted a warning, and he has(albeit after complaints), but still he did post it.

[rincewind]

This is how stupid and selfish some people are on this forum and in this world......

The only thing anyone could make a case for, is the dead person on the table who is completely burned up.
That's a split second scene.....

Other than that, you are talking about a living human being!!!!!
A victim.........a victim who is being made more of a victim becuase now she is "graphic in nature".

Does she need to wear a sign on her when ever she goes out saying "Warning, I'm graphic looking, not for the faint of heart"????!!!!

What's the matter with you people!!! Don't you have a heart!!! Don't you have a soul!!!!!!!

What if she was reading this??? Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :mad:

Your berating of people (most of whom have said there is NOTHING wrong with the video) is really turning my stomach. Get off your high horse. We all know drinking and driving. We don't need some righteous S.O.B. on a message board cramming it down our throat. We get it - you're a good samaritan.

[nelms]

All I said was put "graphic" in the title. Guess what, child pornography is a REALITY as well. People getting their heads chopped off by terrorists is REALITY. Should I expect to click on an unlabelled link to a video and say "gee, great shock value, I learned a lesson"? Like I said, I have no qualms with this video, but I'm sure some people don't want to see this. And it sure as hell isn't Sunstone's right to determine what people should and shouldn't view.
No one forced you to click on the unlabelled link. If you're not sure what is behind the link, then why click on it?

[Fred Jones]

I can't think of a more effective way to get the point across. It's about as blunt as you can get.

I agree 100%. This girl is the poster person for why you don't drink and drive. Just to let those that have not been or can't remember, but the before and after pictures of the woman are posted at at least two ASAP facilities that perform the breath test to drivers that have been arrested for DWI in Virginia. I am sure her story is posted at many other such places inside jails and police headquarters to remind people that are arrested for DWI are aware of the consequences.

[illone]

This is how stupid and selfish some people are on this forum and in this world......

The only thing anyone could make a case for, is the dead person on the table who is completely burned up.
That's a split second scene.....

Other than that, you are talking about a living human being!!!!!
A victim.........a victim who is being made more of a victim becuase now she is "graphic in nature".

Does she need to wear a sign on her when ever she goes out saying "Warning, I'm graphic looking, not for the faint of heart"????!!!!

What's the matter with you people!!! Don't you have a heart!!! Don't you have a soul!!!!!!!

What if she was reading this??? Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves!!! :mad:


Man, I get your point here. I really do. I don't mind these types of graphic displays. Doesn't mean I need to see them on a public messageboard when I'm here to talk about politics or football (or mail order brides):laugh:

[Barney B]

I totally got called an old man for suggesting that, carefull your traveling into my terrority of hate on this board.


I'm sorry I missed that one - I'd have gotten your back for you. A kid I went to high school with killed seven people when he crashed his car at high speed. He was the "lucky" one - he lived, but he was paralyzed from the neck down.

Word on the street was that he was begging his nurses to kill him.

[Jumbo]

I've worked a long time with folks with substance abuse problems. I have helped organize local victim impact panels, where people in deferred prosecution for DUI's have to come and listen to the families of victims do a presentation complete with visuals of what drunk drivers have taken away from them. And to their credit, these families somehow manage to do it with compassion, knowing that humiliation and blame is not as effective in communicating the message. Their approach, combined with severe and enforced legal penalties has been an effective combination in reduction of repeat offenses, especially for first-time violators. So I am sympathetic to the purpose of making such horrors familiar to all, especially to those who treat it lightly.

I am also sympathetic to the people who find Sunstone to often be a very sanctimonious and obtuse-in-conversation poster. You are regularly and freely judgmental (which is fine) with commenting on others, Sunstone, so I won’t worry too much about your sensitivities. I also think he’s probably basically a good guy, but this may be another case where it’s not easy for many to separate a message from the messenger.

In this case, the message is very important, IMO, and it should be startling, disconcerting, and even horrifying at times. But I think whoever changed the title did a reasonable thing too. It’s disingenuous to suggest, as nelms did, that that the consequences clicking on an unlabeled link in a vaguely titled thread is solely the responsibility of the clicker. There's a social (grey) area and a legal (not so grey) area of "reasonable expectations" in many interactional matters, for instance. Forum- wise, try linking an unlabeled link to the wrong thing on here nelms, and see who gets banned ;) , you or the clicker. The fact is, I probably should have asked Sunstone to title the thread more accurately as that is a forum rule.

In my experience, the messenger almost always affects the impact of the message, and usually it should. In this case, I hope the content does give people a jolt and pause for thought. Many of the potential consequences for making bad driving decisions that put us and others at great risk are truly horrible.

[Ellis]

I was in a drinking and driving accident 3 1/2 years ago. It was my fault. I nailed someone after a work xmas at about 7pm, 5 days shy of xmas. I completely totalled my car and theirs, shut down RT 301 for hours and there was 1 other car that was bumped by the car I hit.

No one was hurt. THANK GOD. Everyone got out of the accident untouched with minor bruises. But believe me, if you saw the cars, you'd think people had died.

I was extremely ashamed of myself after that accident. One of the first things I saw days after my accident was a Slide Show of this girl and what she had happen to her. It really messed me up. I quit drinking completely for a good 7 months. Just the smell of beer made me feel guilty. I took classes at a clinic, went to MADD victims impact panels, went to driver improvement courses... anything to make myself better. Not "feel" better, but "BE" better.

I had turned full circle and I became a better person in the process. Of the many things that I did after that accident, the story of this girl was one of the biggest impacts on my life.

A huge THANK YOU!!! ...to SUNSTONE for posting this video. Although many of you have valid opinions on warning others of the content before watching it, I'm very glad you watched. It is very important for people to watch that video, ESPECIALLY teenagers who think they're untouchable when drinking.

Getting to see the story on that girl again reminds me of just how far I've come as a person. One of the things I take great pride in is being the designated driver for all of my friends every New Years Eve. I do it every year and I never drink. It makes me feel great that all of my friends won't have to worry about drinking and driving that night. If it wasn't for my accident and this girls story... who knows, maybe I'd be another statistic. But I'm not and for what it's worth, I owe it partially to her.

[Skinz89]

I was in a drinking and driving accident 3 1/2 years ago. It was my fault. I nailed someone after a work xmas at about 7pm, 5 days shy of xmas. I completely totalled my car and theirs, shut down RT 301 for hours and there was 1 other car that was bumped by the car I hit.

No one was hurt. THANK GOD. Everyone got out of the accident untouched with minor bruises. But believe me, if you saw the cars, you'd think people had died.

I was extremely ashamed of myself after that accident. One of the first things I saw days after my accident was a Slide Show of this girl and what she had happen to her. It really messed me up. I quit drinking completely for a good 7 months. Just the smell of beer made me feel guilty. I took classes at a clinic, went to MADD victims impact panels, went to driver improvement courses... anything to make myself better. Not "feel" better, but "BE" better.

I had turned full circle and I became a better person in the process. Of the many things that I did after that accident, the story of this girl was one of the biggest impacts on my life.

A huge THANK YOU!!! ...to SUNSTONE for posting this video. Although many of you have valid opinions on warning others of the content before watching it, I'm very glad you watched. It is very important for people to watch that video, ESPECIALLY teenagers who think they're untouchable when drinking.

Getting to see the story on that girl again reminds me of just how far I've come as a person. One of the things I take great pride in is being the designated driver for all of my friends every New Years Eve. I do it every year and I never drink. It makes me feel great that all of my friends won't have to worry about drinking and driving that night. If it wasn't for my accident and this girls story... who knows, maybe I'd be another statistic. But I'm not and for what it's worth, I owe it partially to her.
These are the kinds of posts that should have been posted after you watch the video, your story, not someone whining about how they saw something that they didnt want to see.

It's good to hear this girls story influenced your life, and you feel good about being the designated driver, congratulations:applause:

[Destino]

Good message that is worth watching. The problem as others have noted is that Sunstone took the PETA method of delivering it. Shocking, to those not ready or willing to be shocked. While we can certainly argue it's worth it, it's not surprising people aren't thrilled at it.

[Bugs']

:munchout:

[Thiebear]

My absolutely mind boggling neighbor:

5 DWI's: No jail time except for sobering time. (HES A TOWTRUCK DRIVER).
He once passed out IN the towtruck)....
3 this year: 2 of them in 3 weeks.
the 4th one prosecuted in Arlington he got a 300$ fine, restricted license, Asap etc... same as a 1st offense and his brothers lawyer didn't charge him.

This was driving me crazy... he's a freaking menace to society and drinks/drives all the time.... They might as well just stop pulling people over if their not going to prosecute.

4th of July he drives his F250 duly(sp) double wheels in the back massive truck and totals it while he is just sfaced... could have killed dozens of people.... his friends get him away from the scene and he doesn't face charges. They try to get said same brother to prosecute as it was his truck but he wont... So he checks himself into Rehab for 30 days...

While he does shot after shot of Jack before he goes in so it takes a couple of days to come down... This is so his NEXT court date in Fairfax it shows hes making an attempt to fix himself (He's already signed his daughter over to his sister as he was passing out all the time since his wife's death and she was getting scared and coming across the street to my house and Karen's next door) (haven't seen her in 3 weeks.. she's 10).
There should be a yearly test to be a parent.. shoe size, cloths, favorite color, who they sit next to at lunch, teacher name, favorite class etc..)

He will remain free until 2 people die... that will be the sad truth of this story.. the he will get out at 70 and hopefully only injure himself.

[Ellis]

that's a shame. some people never learn.

[SUNSTONE]

I want to state for the record that I DID NOT put that "graphic video" on the title. There is nothing graphic about a burn victim.
The mods put that up on the title to try and please the trolls on this board.
And trolls are nothing more than forum terrorists.
Trolls alway argue and try to get under people's skins.
This thread proves that trolls will go to any lengths to try and piss people off for attention.




All I said was put "graphic" in the title. Guess what, child pornography is a REALITY as well. People getting their heads chopped off by terrorists is REALITY. Should I expect to click on an unlabelled link to a video and say "gee, great shock value, I learned a lesson"? Like I said, I have no qualms with this video, but I'm sure some people don't want to see this. And it sure as hell isn't Sunstone's right to determine what people should and shouldn't view.


A typical troll will not admit he or she is wrong. Instead they will try and spin some BS with a game on words, taking the arguement in a different direction.
Their goal is not to find the truth in a matter, it's to try and win an arguement at any cost. They do not care what they are argueing about, just as long as they are in an arguement.




Good message that is worth watching. The problem as others have noted is that Sunstone took the PETA method of delivering it. Shocking, to those not ready or willing to be shocked. While we can certainly argue it's worth it, it's not surprising people aren't thrilled at it.

This is not necessarily a troll post. But PETA has nothing to do with saving the lives of human beings. This video probably has been shown in high schools across america. Someone said they listened to the testimony from a witness at this accident, in highschool.



Man, I get your point here. I really do. I don't mind these types of graphic displays. Doesn't mean I need to see them on a public messageboard when I'm here to talk about politics or football (or mail order brides)

A troll is selfish, and doesn't mind expressing his opinion on a matter, no matter how important it is.
If you look on the first response of that video, you will notice a troll hit it with "haha that bia got owned".




Your berating of people (most of whom have said there is NOTHING wrong with the video) is really turning my stomach. Get off your high horse. We all know drinking and driving. We don't need some righteous S.O.B. on a message board cramming it down our throat. We get it - you're a good samaritan.


This troll uses manipulation to try and act like he is speaking for everyone.
Me showing that video is "cramming it down" their throats.




I would like to make a request to the mod, or any mod, to remove that "graphic video".
Obviously a burned victim is not graphic.
This video is perfectly ok to show in highschools and in police stations.
It would be a real shame if she saw how her video is graphic.

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

Why is everyone pissing over this video? :whoknows:

[jrockster21]

Sunstone -- are you retarded or something? A gnarled up burn victim is the definition of graphic, dude....I think you need to invest in a dictionary! Here's a free one: www.dictionary.com. :doh:

PS -- stop being so confrontational about this. Who cares if it says "grapic video" in the title. Who are you to tell other people what and what not to watch?

Oh, and just FYI -- your thread title was breaking forum rules, so in reality, you're the troll. :)

[SUNSTONE]

Sunstone -- are you retarded or something? A gnarled up burn victim is the definition of graphic, dude....I think you need to invest in a dictionary! Here's a free one: www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com/). :doh:

PS -- stop being so confrontational about this. Who cares if it says "grapic video" in the title. Who are you to tell other people what and what not to watch?

Oh, and just FYI -- your thread title was breaking forum rules, so in reality, you're the troll. :)

This isn't some faces of death video.
This is a life changing, life saving video.

[chomerics]

Sunstone, you are posting crap, plain and simple. Maybe you wanted to "shock" people with the video, but it is against the rules of the forum. There have been a few to call you out for your sanctimonious BS, and they were right. You got your point across, there is no reason to got all high and mighty when other posters tell you that you were wrong, you OBVIOUSLY were as evidenced by the mods changing the title. A little word of advice, stop acting all rightous, and take the criticism to heart. They are right, and if you are pissing off Stevenaa then something is not right with your posts. . .

:2cents:

[SUNSTONE]

Sunstone, you are posting crap, plain and simple. Maybe you wanted to "shock" people with the video, but it is against the rules of the forum. There have been a few to call you out for your sanctimonious BS, and they were right. You got your point across, there is no reason to got all high and mighty when other posters tell you that you were wrong, you OBVIOUSLY were as evidenced by the mods changing the title. A little word of advice, stop acting all rightous, and take the criticism to heart. They are right, and if you are pissing off Stevenaa then something is not right with your posts. . .

:2cents:


There have been plenty of people that said they were wrong for doing so.

Obvious little trolls trying to point out some technical rule and say "ah ha, ah ha, we got you now".


stevenaa probably doesn't like me because I'm Christian, and he is self admitted homosexual.
So for him to speak out against me saying "get off of my high horse" etc, doesn't surprise me at all.

[rincewind]

There have been plenty of people that said they were wrong for doing so.

Obvious little trolls trying to point out some technical rule and say "ah ha, ah ha, we got you now".


stevenaa probably doesn't like me because I'm Christian, and he is self admitted homosexual.
So for him to speak out against me saying "get off of my high horse" etc, doesn't surprise me at all.


When did he admit that? I did see it, but if he did - stevenaa, I applaud you. It, unfortunately, takes a lot of guts to do that on a football message board.

Sunstone - I like how you think calling me a troll is a major insult. Especially since you quoted me and called me a name - but didn't even have the decency to attach my name to the quote.

[TheSteve]

Why is everyone pissing over this video? :whoknows:

Because it's like walking into a party room full of alcoholics and ruining their evening and parrty. :laugh:

It's also partly because it's:

A. Sunstone
B. He's confrontational

When you mix the three, you get:

D. This

It's like Chomerics and the Holocaust thread.

[PleaseBlitz]

With this video in mind, anyone want to help a brutha out?

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2699913#post2699913

[rincewind]

stevenaa probably doesn't like me because I'm Christian, and he is self admitted homosexual.
So for him to speak out against me saying "get off of my high horse" etc, doesn't surprise me at all.


When did he admit that? I did see it, but if he did - stevenaa, I applaud you. It, unfortunately, takes a lot of guts to do that on a football message board.



Not to stir the pot, but... I'm still waiting for an answer on this. Seems to me that is a (i hate to use the word serious here) but at least heavy accusation.

[techboy]

Not to stir the pot, but... I'm still waiting for an answer on this. Seems to me that is a (i hate to use the word serious here) but at least heavy accusation.

Hmmm... stevenaa is married and has two kids. From previous postings, I gather that he is politically conservative and a committed Christian.

Let me consult the Magic Eight Ball...

"Signs point to no"

[DCsportsfan53]

Sunstone, you are self serving, self aggrandizing, pompous, know-it-all, holier than thou assclown. Pure and simple. I got nothing against the video you posted, I don't drink and drive and am completely against it but you're attitude and ignorance in this thread and MANY others is what led me to say that. You're the troll and I'm tired of your sorry gimmick.

[cjcdaman]

Hmmm... stevenaa is married and has two kids. From previous postings, I gather that he is politically conservative and a committed Christian.

Let me consult the Magic Eight Ball...

"Signs point to no"

Aw shucks! rince almost had him a new boyfriend. :silly:

[Tarhog]

I want to state for the record that I DID NOT put that "graphic video" on the title. There is nothing graphic about a burn victim.
The mods put that up on the title to try and please the trolls on this board.
And trolls are nothing more than forum terrorists.
Trolls alway argue and try to get under people's skins.
This thread proves that trolls will go to any lengths to try and piss people off for attention.




A typical troll will not admit he or she is wrong. Instead they will try and spin some BS with a game on words, taking the arguement in a different direction.
Their goal is not to find the truth in a matter, it's to try and win an arguement at any cost. They do not care what they are argueing about, just as long as they are in an arguement.





This is not necessarily a troll post. But PETA has nothing to do with saving the lives of human beings. This video probably has been shown in high schools across america. Someone said they listened to the testimony from a witness at this accident, in highschool.




A troll is selfish, and doesn't mind expressing his opinion on a matter, no matter how important it is.
If you look on the first response of that video, you will notice a troll hit it with "haha that bia got owned".




This troll uses manipulation to try and act like he is speaking for everyone.
Me showing that video is "cramming it down" their throats.




I would like to make a request to the mod, or any mod, to remove that "graphic video".
Obviously a burned victim is not graphic.
This video is perfectly ok to show in highschools and in police stations.
It would be a real shame if she saw how her video is graphic.


You need to calm down, or I will provide you with a temporary break until you do.

For the record, I absolutely support and empathize with the disgust you are expressing at the subject matter. I have no real problem with the video. And I'm somewhat ambivalent regarding the title and don't consider it all that graphic.

However, this is a community - we also have minors here, some of whom have parents who might not see it the way I do. A number of members felt it would've been courteous to give some indicator as to the relatively graphic nature of the clip. It really wouldn't have been that hard to meet those concerns with something other than an 'eff you'.

And as for the title change - I didn't do it - however one of my fellow staff members did and you don't have to like it. We will do what we deem appropriate. Period.

You are going to lose your message - which is an important one - because you're being rude and overly aggressive. It happens a lot when people feel passionately about a topic. The passion is a beautiful thing, and I respect that. But the anger and hostility is a little misplaced.

[SUNSTONE]

Maybe I have the wrong steve, or maybe it's a brokeback moutian situation.

You're still a troll.


But since you trolled this thread back up, I'll tell you what I heard last night.

My buddy's dad was helping someone with their car on the side of the road, when a drunk driver went off the road and killed him.

[jrockster21]

Sunstone, you are self serving, self aggrandizing, pompous, know-it-all, holier than thou assclown. Pure and simple. I got nothing against the video you posted, I don't drink and drive and am completely against it but you're attitude and ignorance in this thread and MANY others is what led me to say that. You're the troll and I'm tired of your sorry gimmick.


BAM. :applause:

[rincewind]

Maybe I have the wrong steve, or maybe it's a brokeback moutian situation.

You're still a troll.


But since you trolled this thread back up, I'll tell you what I heard last night.

My buddy's dad was helping someone with their car on the side of the road, when a drunk driver went off the road and killed him.


Call me a troll all you want - you are the one that has been proven to deal in baseless accusations (a banable offense). Have a nice day.




I'm sorry to hear about your friends dad.

[SUNSTONE]

Sorry guys if I come across very upset.
The fact is, I am upset, and what set me off was this post right here. I was calm up until I saw this....




Still no warning of graphic nature. I'm all for the education aspect, but I thought at least a mod would want to warn people before viewing the video. It is graphic. I understand Sunstone's point, but not EVERYONE drives drunk. By the title, most people don't know what they're going to watch, until the VERY BEGINNING.


You know what the first picture they show? That girl all dressed up.

I've seen that video about 6 or 7 times, and at first I didn't know what I was looking at. I had never seen anyone look like that before.

But after a few times looking at the video, I realized that was her in the near present.
And what I saw was still a girl on the inside.
A girl with a strong spirt, and a strong will to live.
If I had to guess, I would say she was content and even happy in that first picture.
As if she knows what has happened to her, but she isn't going to let it ruin her life any more than it already has.
Like she was determined to make the best out of what she has.


I guess I didn't expect anything except for sympathy for her, and a change of heart by many.
I know it changed how I'm going to deal with friends who want to drive home, when I know they had too many.

[Jumbo]

Maybe I have the wrong steve, or maybe it's a brokeback moutian situation.


You're still a troll.

I tried to clean this topic up in my earlier post, and now you have been very similarly addressed by Tarhog. As I said earlier, I regularly work with bereft families and the people who are responsible for their bereavement as a result of drunk driving, and have for the last decade, so trying to shroud yourself in some “maybe I care more deeply” affectation won’t begin to wash with me. And I have openly noted you as making very sanctimonious posts before, as well as commented on other posting behaviors that occupy the lower rungs of message board interactions. Its not "rule-breaking", I just think it's way lame.

It's the brokeback remark, and you calling someone else a troll, coming even after Tarhog's post (he also trying to preserve the message) and techboys typically gracious manner of "correcting" you, that prompts me to appear again. Those remarks you made are not in excess of normal forum banter, but in your case they reflect your typical resistance to ever "getting it" in many of your forum conversations with other members or even mods.

To assume someone needs to be driven by some deep motive to think you’re often well off the mark is incorrerct, and typically pretentious.

It’s almost never someone’s political, religious, ethnic, sexual, or cultural identification that I will respond negatively to no matter what the content, but rather something that hooks me in the actual content of their argument in specific posts in specific threads, or in their posting behavior, general and/or specific. I observe most people on here are more like that than not.

Your final post in this thread says you are “sorry”, but then you still mitigate your apology with excuses of herrmag’s post and appeals for recognition for the “size”of your caring.

Get it together dude. :2cents:

[skinsfanevan]

i saw this video once and didnt ever want to see it again....

oh well

[Drockvb]

why would you even post this? who comes to the tailgate to get depressed? thanks for the guilt trip!

Guilt trip? Are you serious? This is a real life example of how stupid it is to drink and drive. They should be commended for reminding us.

[Boss_Hogg]

I agree that this video is fine, but for people with a queazy stomach, there should be a warning such as "Graphic".

I agree, I have no issue with it, but others might. They do not see the victim as graphic, but rather they see the situation and event as graphic.

[skinthemboys]

That was awful. Of course I get more graphic footage from my local cable provider on a daily basis. If you cant stomache this, you cant stomache life.

[SUNSTONE]

I tried to clean this topic up in my earlier post, and now you have been very similarly addressed by Tarhog. As I said earlier, I regularly work with bereft families and the people who are responsible for their bereavement as a result of drunk driving, and have for the last decade, so trying to shroud yourself in some “maybe I care more deeply” affectation won’t begin to wash with me. And I have openly noted you as making very sanctimonious posts before, as well as commented on other posting behaviors that occupy the lower rungs of message board interactions. Its not "rule-breaking", I just think it's way lame.

It's the brokeback remark, and you calling someone else a troll, coming even after Tarhog's post (he also trying to preserve the message) and techboys typically gracious manner of "correcting" you, that prompts me to appear again. Those remarks you made are not in excess of normal forum banter, but in your case they reflect your typical resistance to ever "getting it" in many of your forum conversations with other members or even mods.

To assume someone needs to be driven by some deep motive to think you’re often well off the mark is incorrerct, and typically pretentious.

It’s almost never someone’s political, religious, ethnic, sexual, or cultural identification that I will respond negatively to no matter what the content, but rather something that hooks me in the actual content of their argument in specific posts in specific threads, or in their posting behavior, general and/or specific. I observe most people on here are more like that than not.

Your final post in this thread says you are “sorry”, but then you still mitigate your apology with excuses of herrmag’s post and appeals for recognition for the “size”of your caring.

Get it together dude. :2cents:


I didn't make that post to spite Tarhog. That post was made while he was posting his, and mine just happen to go up after his.


The only thing I'm sorry about, is "losing it". My opinions have not changed, but telling someone that they are trolling isn't going to help the situation, it usually makes things worst.

I told a coworker about that video.
She said she knows about it, a friend sent it to her.
I asked if she had seen it, she said no. I asked why, she said her friend told her what was in the video. So she never opened it.
That is why I made the thread the way I did.
Someone who drinks and drives, would NEVER open up such a video.

[rincewind]

My opinions have not changed, but telling someone that they are trolling isn't going to help the situation, it usually makes things worst.



For your irony pleasure -



The mods put that up on the title to try and please the trolls on this board.
And trolls are nothing more than forum terrorists.
Trolls alway argue and try to get under people's skins.
This thread proves that trolls will go to any lengths to try and piss people off for attention.




A typical troll will not admit he or she is wrong. Instead they will try and spin some BS with a game on words, taking the arguement in a different direction.
Their goal is not to find the truth in a matter, it's to try and win an arguement at any cost. They do not care what they are argueing about, just as long as they are in an arguement.





This is not necessarily a troll post. But PETA has nothing to do with saving the lives of human beings. This video probably has been shown in high schools across america. Someone said they listened to the testimony from a witness at this accident, in highschool.




A troll is selfish, and doesn't mind expressing his opinion on a matter, no matter how important it is.
If you look on the first response of that video, you will notice a troll hit it with "haha that bia got owned".




This troll uses manipulation to try and act like he is speaking for everyone.
Me showing that video is "cramming it down" their throats.







You're still a troll.


But since you trolled this thread back up, I'll tell you what I heard last night.

[zoony]

We'll go ahead and file this thread under 'trainwreck'

[rincewind]

We'll go ahead and file this thread under 'trainwreck'


Its at home, in the files. Under 'D' for donut.

[SUNSTONE]

Because it's like walking into a party room full of alcoholics and ruining their evening and parrty.
.



why would you even post this? who comes to the tailgate to get depressed? thanks for the guilt trip!



I went to work today with the intention of sharing this video with my coworkers.
Then I realized that several of them drank often. And somethng told me that telling them about that video wasn't going to go over so well.
Because all the ones who drink......they drive.
Some of them drive while being way over the limit........like my boss.


Then it hit me.
How many ES members drink? I would wager most of them.
How many of them drink and drive? Again.....I would wager most of the ones who drink.

My stepfather was pulled over 2 or 3 times for DUI. He got his liscense pulled for 5 years.
And still, he drove while drinking. He never got caught, which is amazing.
I remember riding with him and he would tailgate other cars. I said to myself "damn that is stupid".


I still plan on telling those coworkers. But I need to make sure the timing is right.
One of them crashed her car into another crashed car in the middle of a well lit street.
She had her daughter in the car with her. In other words, she drove drunk with her daughter in the car. And till this day, she has problems with her knee(the daughter).

[zoony]

Then it hit me.
How many ES members drink? I would wager most of them.
How many of them drink and drive? Again.....I would wager most of the ones who drink.



So because reaction to this thread has not been positive, you're assuming it is because ES is filled with a bunch of drunk drivers? :laugh:



Deductive reasoning at its finest. :applause:

[Major Harris]

So because reaction to this thread has not been positive, you're assuming it is because ES is filled with a bunch of drunk drivers? :laugh:



Deductive reasoning at its finest. :applause:
zoony is drunk right now. put the keys down, dude.

[zoony]

zoony is drunk right now. put the keys down, dude.


The coffee was spiked, what can I say.


I was just about to get in the car and see how fast I could go. Good thing I checked this thread first, eh?

[SUNSTONE]

So because reaction to this thread has not been positive, you're assuming it is because ES is filled with a bunch of drunk drivers? :laugh:



Deductive reasoning at its finest. :applause:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78682

[Major Harris]

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78682
have you EVER driven drunk?

if i answered that poll honestly, it'd be a yes. i did. 6 years ago. never before, and never since.

[SUNSTONE]

have you EVER driven drunk?

if i answered that poll honestly, it'd be a yes. i did. 6 years ago. never before, and never since.

I honestly don't remember if I have. If I did it was probably something like what you did.

But what I have done is let smashed people drive with only giving them a "are you sure you're ok to drive" speech.
That's something I want to change.

[Major Harris]

I honestly don't remember if I have. If I did it was probably something like what you did.

But what I have done is let smashed people drive with only giving them a "are you sure you're ok to drive" speech.
That's something I want to change.
what i was trying to point out is that just because a lot of people voted yes in that poll doesn't mean es is full of a bunch of drunk drivers.

[SUNSTONE]

I can honestly say that everyone I know who drinks drives. That has a lot to do with my "I wager most who drink....drive".

None of the believed they were going to get caught. None of them believed they would get into a wreck.

I know many people who have been caught drinking and driving.

[SUNSTONE]

what i was trying to point out is that just because a lot of people voted yes in that poll doesn't mean es is full of a bunch of drunk drivers.

Well I hope not.
And my hopes for this thread is to try and bring those numbers down.

[techboy]

For your irony pleasure -

I believe he was referring to himself when he said that calling others trolls is not helpful. I derive this from the context, which is his apologizing for "losing it" immediately before the sentence you quoted. Therefore, this is not irony, it's a demonstration of why he felt the need to apologize.

[RedskInsanity]

Has anyone mentioned this to Sean Taylor? He may want to give this a look see.