Another analysis of the NFL offseason.

[Birdlives]

http://www.heraldsun.com/sports/18-753013.html

Talk amongst youselves.

I wonder if I'll get verbally assaulted like Tom(giantsfan) did.

[tr1]

I still think Philly is better than the pukes.

[JoeSkins]

I wonder if I'll get verbally assaulted like Tom(giantsfan) did.

:nana: :no: :stop: :gang: :hammer: :troll: :whippin: :nutkick: :slap:

I think that about covers it.

[bubba9497]

NFC East

1. Dallas: I know, the Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in nine years, and that makes Jerry Jones sick. But Bill Parcells, who may be in his last season, has a good enough team to win this division. (And Terrell Owens still is the league's best wide receiver.)

2. Washington: Caution to the Redskins fans who cannot wait to see free-agent signee Antwaan Randle El in that burgundy and gold. He caught one touchdown pass for the Steelers last season, but he did throw a TD pass in the Super Bowl and is 14-for-16 (two TDs) passing in the NFL.


1. No he doesn't, no team with a pourus OL can win the NFC East. TO is still a good WR, but he is still a locker room cancer as well.... if the team stumbles early... watch out... it could get ugly in big D

2. How many passes was Randel El thrown into the end zone? :rolleyes: He was brought in to be the #3 WR and Punt Returner (one of the best in the NFL) And the Skins season will not be determined by the success or failure of ARE... It's not like the Skins have Portis, Moss, Cooley, Lloyd, Brunell... not to mention a TOP Ten Defense.... and the coaching staff aren't a bunch of stiffs either... oh yeah and maybe the best OL in the NFL

[Eagle091]

best oline in the nfl????? ummm homer back up, middle of the pack maybe, but not any better than that. kool-aid bubba.

[bubba9497]

best oline in the nfl????? ummm homer back up, middle of the pack maybe, but not any better than that. kool-aid bubba.



yes BEST in the NFL, and not just my opinion. Several "experts" and football personell agree.

in KC Joyner study the Redskins were the best team in overall success rate, Samuels #1, Dockery #6, Jansen with 2 broken thumbs, and Thomas were just outside the top ten


Here are the top 10 linemen in terms of blocking success percentage:

Blocking Percentage

Rank Player Number Position Team Scs %
1 C. Samuels 60 OT Washington 94.8
2 S. Locklear 75 OT Seattle 94.4
3 K. Barry 71 OT Green Bay 94.2
4 C. Villarrial 58 OG Buffalo 91.8
5 B. Hamilton 50 OG Denver 91.6
6 D. Dockery 66 OG Washington 91.1
7 J. Peters 71 OT Buffalo 90.9
8 R. Brown 74 OG Chicago 90.8
9 V. Riley 68 OT Houston 90.5
10 B. Olson 75 OG Tennessee 90.2


Middle of the pack :yikes: Holy ****, and you call me a homer :doh:

look at their sucess rate the last half of the season, all those 100 yard performances, and gave up few sacks or penalties.

All 5 starters have been together for over a year, 4 for 4 years, All are 30 an under, in the prime of their athletic career. Plus both Jansen & Thomas are healthy, no one with any football knowledge would put them outside top 3. Even regular Redskin bashers like Don Banks, and Lenny P have acknoledge the Skins OL as elite and one of the top if not the top OL in the NFL.


Stu (Charlottesville, VA): How about the redskins line?

K.C. Joyner: I really like the Redskins line for a number of reasons, but the biggest is that they are probably the most efficient blocking line in the league. Chris Samuels had the highest success percentage of any blocker last year and most of the other Skins linemen also had high percentages.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=12218

[tr1]

The Skins' starting five o-line are better than anything in the NFC East...just a fact.

[jrockster21]

best oline in the nfl????? ummm homer back up, middle of the pack maybe, but not any better than that. kool-aid bubba.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Does it hurt when you get owned so badly?? Just curious...;)

The Redskins OLine is not "middle of the pack" by any stretch of the imagination. They put together the best single-season player rushing total in Redskins history. This is a team that had a line in the 80's so dominant that they could tell opposing defenses where they were going before the play started, and still pick up 3-4 yards. That right there says A LOT about the Skins' current oline...

[Birdlives]

best oline in the nfl????? ummm homer back up, middle of the pack maybe, but not any better than that. kool-aid bubba.

You are gonna get so many responses to this. I don't generally chime in with this stuff cause Bubba can defend himself, but middle of the pack? You are deluding yourself. Redskins O-Line is top 5 this year barring injury guaranteed. I also believe he said, MAYBE top in NFL. If you think they're middle of the pack, go ahead and name 10 O-Lines that are better.

[Bacon]

:applause: Nice one, Bubba. Major ownage right there. Heck, even I learned something!

[Eagle091]

umm I remember a lot of max protect from the skins also. lets see there's seattle whom is better, philly who also is up there..., chiefs, steelers, broncos,patriots. falcons, any good running team or a good passing team has a good oline. you are not elite in that department. and percentages don't mean squat. try using the whole oline, not just 1 or 2 players from yours and call yourselves elite. again....homer

[Bacon]

umm I remember a lot of max protect from the skins also. lets see there's seattle whom is better, philly who also is up there..., chiefs, steelers, broncos,patriots. falcons, any good running team or a good passing team has a good oline. you are not elite in that department. and percentages don't mean squat. try using the whole oline, not just 1 or 2 players from yours and call yourselves elite. again....homer

:laugh: Any numbers to back this up at all, pal?

"The number of people using horse-drawn carriages has gone up since 1875. And it's true, regardless of actual fact and absense of statistics of any kind."

That's about how much sense your post made.

...Next!

[bubba9497]

umm I remember a lot of max protect from the skins also. lets see there's seattle whom is better, philly who also is up there..., chiefs, steelers, broncos,patriots. falcons, any good running team or a good passing team has a good oline. you are not elite in that department. and percentages don't mean squat. try using the whole oline, not just 1 or 2 players from yours and call yourselves elite. again....homer



:laugh: THE EAGLES????!!! yeah what ever, they aren't even 2nd in the NFC EAST

KC Joyner's stats were not based on any scheme but individual assignments, how effective each player was on each block.

Chiefs were the best, but have gotten old, and lost a starter, The Steelers are good, but not as good as the Skins, Falcons? :rotflmao:, Patriots see Chiefs, plus only averaged 3.2 YPC, Broncos, have taken a few steps down since Gibbs retired. Seattle? played in the NFC West

Even if they were behind all the teams you listed (and they are not) they would still be better than middle of the pack.

The last 5 games of the regular season (including three against the NFC East, and 3 on the road) 5 straight 100 yards games for Portis (and one for Rock) and gave up only 2 sacks. The OL gave the fewest penalties of almost all teams.

The Skins were 7th in rushing, and 13th in sacks allowed ... but if you look closer, half of the sacks gave up were in 3 games in the first 5 games,(and Jansen wearing a heavy cast on each thumb) by mid season they became dominant.

again, All five starters are returning, and healthy...All 30 or under, Samuels was a pro-bowler, Thomas should have been, and Jansen plays at that level.. Dockery has become a real beast the last half, and could be a pro bowler this season. Rabach, is a very good center and will improve since he has a year under his belt.

The Eagles .... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: whose the homer??

27th in rushing avg. gave up the 11th MOST sacks in the league last season.

[tr1]

:laugh: THE EAGLES????!!! yeah what ever, they aren't even 2nd in the NFC EAST

KC Joyner's stats were not based on any scheme but individual assignments, how effective each player was on each block.

Chiefs were the best, but have gotten old, and lost a starter, The Steelers are good, but not as good as the Skins, Falcons? :rotflmao:, Patriots see Chiefs, plus only averaged 3.2 YPC, Broncos, have taken a few steps down since Gibbs retired. Seattle? played in the NFC West

Even if they were behind all the teams you listed (and they are not) they would still be better than middle of the pack.

The last 5 games of the regular season (including three against the NFC East, and 3 on the road) 5 straight 100 yards games for Portis (and one for Rock) and gave up only 2 sacks. The OL gave the fewest penalties of almost all teams.

The Skins were 7th in rushing, and 13th in sacks allowed ... but if you look closer, half of the sacks gave up were in 3 games in the first 5 games,(and Jansen wearing a heavy cast on each thumb) by mid season they became dominant.

again, All five starters are returning, and healthy...All 30 or under, Samuels was a pro-bowler, Thomas should have been, and Jansen plays at that level.. Dockery has become a real beast the last half, and could be a pro bowler this season. Rabach, is a very good center and will improve since he has a year under his belt.

The Eagles .... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: whose the homer??

27th in rushing avg. gave up the 11th MOST sacks in the league last season.


Bubba...please...stop the carnage. Show some mercy.

:notworthy

[sableholic]

Bubba...please...stop the carnage. Show some mercy.

:notworthy

lol that was pure ownage

[Birdlives]

umm I remember a lot of max protect from the skins also. lets see there's seattle whom is better, philly who also is up there..., chiefs, steelers, broncos,patriots. falcons, any good running team or a good passing team has a good oline. you are not elite in that department. and percentages don't mean squat. try using the whole oline, not just 1 or 2 players from yours and call yourselves elite. again....homer

Let's see, couldn't name ten, and of the seven you managed, several are no longer as good as advertised. :laugh:

[Skins4481]

The only OL I can think of that are better than the skins are the Chiefs. Other than that I cant think of any other line better than ours.

[Eagle091]

you guys crack me up with some of this stuff. decaf, need to switch bubbbbbaaaa. the shakes are getting to ya man.

[Who Del]

Texans have the best OLine.

Debate over.

[Number5]

Texans have the best OLine.

Debate over.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Priceless

[thespaniard]

The only OL I can think of that are better than the skins are the Chiefs. Other than that I cant think of any other line better than ours.


The Redskins' O-Line is definitely top 5. It's arguable where in the top 5 they fall, but teams like the Chiefs, Pitts, Denver and the Bengals need to be up there too.

The Bears also have a great line. They made Thomas Jones look like a pro bowler, and protected every bum QB they put back there...

[thespaniard]

Here are the top 10 linemen in terms of blocking success percentage:

Blocking Percentage

Rank Player Number Position Team Scs %
1 C. Samuels 60 OT Washington 94.8
2 S. Locklear 75 OT Seattle 94.4
3 K. Barry 71 OT Green Bay 94.2
4 C. Villarrial 58 OG Buffalo 91.8
5 B. Hamilton 50 OG Denver 91.6
6 D. Dockery 66 OG Washington 91.1
7 J. Peters 71 OT Buffalo 90.9
8 R. Brown 74 OG Chicago 90.8
9 V. Riley 68 OT Houston 90.5
10 B. Olson 75 OG Tennessee 90.2

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=12218

I don't know if I buy these stats. There are some pretty terrible linemen on that top ten list that play for some pretty atrocious lines, and some very good ones (O. Pace, W. Jones, S. Hutchinson to name a few) who are not. I think you just need to look at the line as a unit - rushing yards, sacks given up, penalties, etc.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

The Redskins' O-Line is definitely top 5. It's arguable where in the top 5 they fall, but teams like the Chiefs, Pitts, Denver and the Bengals need to be up there too.

The Bears also have a great line. They made Thomas Jones look like a pro bowler, and protected every bum QB they put back there...

The Falcons and Colts are impressive as well.

I don't think we're the best just yet, but we're definitely in the top 10.

[bubba9497]

you guys crack me up with some of this stuff. decaf, need to switch bubbbbbaaaa. the shakes are getting to ya man.


that make zero sense, and totally void of any rebuttal to defend your claims


translation: :owned:


BTW I don't drink coffee, and the only "shakes" are from laughing at proclaiming the eagles a top OL :laugh:

[Number5]

At the start of the season, I would say the Eagles are Top 15, and that's including William Thomas in the line-up. I guess the only toss up would be if Jackson is the Center, than in my eyes they improve, but if they start Hank aka Honey Bunz Fraley, then they move down.

[kingfish50]

best oline in the nfl????? ummm homer back up, middle of the pack maybe, but not any better than that. kool-aid bubba.
I guess Bubba kind of put you in place, huh eagle? Got anymore homer statements or questions that you need to be set straight on? lol.
:eaglesuck

[portis&taylor]

E-gals are better that the girls

[MLSKINS]

Man whoever thinks that our season depends on Randle El should not be writing for newspaper.

[thespaniard]

http://Eagle.091.justgotowned.com/

[Warhead36]

Texans have the best OLine.

Debate over.

:laugh:

Who Del is a G :cool:

[jnhay]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Does it hurt when you get owned so badly?? Just curious...;)

I don't think he realized that Bubba would be able to back up his statement. :laugh:

[HailRiggoRanger]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Does it hurt when you get owned so badly?? Just curious...;)

I haven't seen this kind of ownage since jrockster77 turned eagles78 into a whimpering school boy.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151651&page=1&pp=15

[Eagle091]

hailriggoranger (sp) i gave up on that one.... stop following somebodes else's comments and be original. now bubba... let me see..
jon runyan.... multiple pro bowler,
tra thomas....pro bowler,
shane andrews.... pro bowl alternate,
hank fraley solid, durable till year but is a solid blocker and smart,
todd herrimans....yound stud

but as nice as it is to have 3 legit pro bowlers starting on their line, the depth they have is by far top 3 in the league. so bubba aka barney bad arse, explain to me what the skins will do when injuries will occur, because no matter every team endures injuries. spin this the best way you can to make yours the best offensive line in the league. need i remind you this unit minus 1 player was in the superbowl and a dominant line in the league. how do you fal off so much in 1 year when they were in the top 5 before. explain away......if you can....oh and by the way...as you like to say pwned!

[Who Del]

Hank Fraley sucks. I hope Jackson wins out and sends Honeybuns packing.

[paloosa]

hailriggoranger (sp) i gave up on that one.... stop following somebodes else's comments and be original. now bubba... let me see..
jon runyan.... multiple pro bowler,
tra thomas....pro bowler,
shane andrews.... pro bowl alternate,
hank fraley solid, durable till year but is a solid blocker and smart,
todd herrimans....yound stud

but as nice as it is to have 3 legit pro bowlers starting on their line, the depth they have is by far top 3 in the league. so bubba aka barney bad arse, explain to me what the skins will do when injuries will occur, because no matter every team endures injuries. spin this the best way you can to make yours the best offensive line in the league. need i remind you this unit minus 1 player was in the superbowl and a dominant line in the league. how do you fal off so much in 1 year when they were in the top 5 before. explain away......if you can....oh and by the way...as you like to say pwned!

So you say that Jon Runyan is a multiple Pro bowler Huh? If you look at the Pro Bowl and John Runyan only made the 2002 Pro Bowl because of an injury replacement and that is the only time he made the Pro Bowl. As for Tra Thomas he hasn't made the Pro Bowl in 2 years. Chris Samuels has been selected to the last 3 Pro Bowls. So What the makes me think is that Samuels is just getting better and better. So you better look up your stats before you start blurting out things that aren't true. The only True Pro Bowler on your team is Tra Thomas who has been to 3 Pro Bowls. I can give you that much but to say that your O-Line is better than ours is a far reachespecially when you guys suck in rushing.

[kingfish50]

hailriggoranger (sp) i gave up on that one.... stop following somebodes else's comments and be original. now bubba... let me see..
jon runyan.... multiple pro bowler,
tra thomas....pro bowler,
shane andrews.... pro bowl alternate,
hank fraley solid, durable till year but is a solid blocker and smart,
todd herrimans....yound stud

but as nice as it is to have 3 legit pro bowlers starting on their line, the depth they have is by far top 3 in the league. so bubba aka barney bad arse, explain to me what the skins will do when injuries will occur, because no matter every team endures injuries. spin this the best way you can to make yours the best offensive line in the league. need i remind you this unit minus 1 player was in the superbowl and a dominant line in the league. how do you fal off so much in 1 year when they were in the top 5 before. explain away......if you can....oh and by the way...as you like to say pwned!
He was talking about the starters. Arguing about the depth of the line is a whole new topic and post.

[HailRiggoRanger]

hailriggoranger (sp) i gave up on that one.... stop following somebodes else's comments and be original. now bubba... let me see..
jon runyan.... multiple pro bowler,
tra thomas....pro bowler,
shane andrews.... pro bowl alternate,
hank fraley solid, durable till year but is a solid blocker and smart,
todd herrimans....yound stud

but as nice as it is to have 3 legit pro bowlers starting on their line, the depth they have is by far top 3 in the league. so bubba aka barney bad arse, explain to me what the skins will do when injuries will occur, because no matter every team endures injuries. spin this the best way you can to make yours the best offensive line in the league. need i remind you this unit minus 1 player was in the superbowl and a dominant line in the league. how do you fal off so much in 1 year when they were in the top 5 before. explain away......if you can....oh and by the way...as you like to say pwned!

My not-so-bright Iggles fan, I didn't mean to offend you. I just was citing a historical fact: ownage like that has not occurred on this board since the Apr. 5th jrockster77 ownage of eagles78.

FYI, Bubba has already shrugged and replied, "Recoil."

[carlsbadd]

http://Eagle.091.justgotowned.com/



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