Look at these Cowboy homers

[B.Lloyd]

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/forum?room=nfl_dal (http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/forum?room=nfl_dal)

Scroll down to the Romo vs. Campbell thread. LMFAO. Practically every thread on there is full of #$%^, and it's hilarious just listening to them.

[bubba9497]

eh, training camp starts soon enough, then the season


that will shut many people up

[Hoyaparanoia]

I can't wait till we start camp.

[B.Lloyd]

Reading the McNabb vs. Bledsoe thread more than half of them think Bledsoe is the better QB:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:. Then they go on to say that he is Probowl material. LMAO

[THEHEREAFTER]

http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/forum?room=nfl_dal (http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/forum?room=nfl_dal)

Scroll down to the Romo vs. Campbell thread. LMFAO. Practically every thread on there is full of #$%^, and it's hilarious just listening to them.

You can't be serious!?

#1. You posted this thread on homer central a.k.a. ES.. :silly:

#2. Has Campbell PROVEN that he's a competent NFL QB let alone better than a backup veteran?

[honorary_hog]

I hate myself for saying this: THA is right. :doh:


Romo and Campbell are equally unproven commodities. Either could be a star. Either could be a complete bust.

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I hate myself for saying this: THA is right. :doh:





:excited: :applause: :cool:

[bubba9497]

You can't be serious!?

#1. You posted this thread on homer central a.k.a. ES.. :silly:



:jerk:

yeah you can tell by all the poke, eagle, and giants fans that hang around

[THEHEREAFTER]

:jerk:

yeah you can tell by all the poke, eagle, and giants fans that hang around

:laugh: The best HUMOR has some truth to it and Bubba what does your statement have anything to do with you NOT being homers? Save some energy for the season Bubba. :rolleyes: You'll need it for spin control. :cool:

[CliffBattles]

He is third on the depth chart, for the time being, because of the new offense. Brunell is the starter, if he goes down, someone needs to go in that knows the huge playbook.

Haven't you all read about how much studying Campbell is doing? He is learning something new, for the 6th time is 6 years. A very good chance, that he will be second on the depth chart after pre-season.

[frankbones]

I hate myself for saying this: THA is right. :doh:


Romo and Campbell are equally unproven commodities. Either could be a star. Either could be a complete bust.

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.

No he is not. Jason Campbell led Auburn to an undefeated season in the SEC. Tomy Romo played at Eastern Illinois and led the Panther's to an 8-4 season his senior year. You can throw in your Roethlisbergers and Penningtons of the world, but they are the exception, not the rule. And those guys dominated the MAC, which is like the Big Ten compared to 1-AA ball.

You can't tell me with a straight face that if the other 30 teams in the NFL could choose between Campbell and Romo, that they would take Romo. I'm not saying Campbell will be a star, but at this point he is a much more attractive prospect than Romo.

And it's Campbell's 2nd year, not his 3rd. Not to mention depth charts mean **** until the season starts. Don't forget who was "#1" a year ago today.

[kingchris626]

Those forums are so boring. I don't know how they go there.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

THA you should just hang 'em up and be a Skin's fan. You can't possibly enjoy being in the company of those knuckleheads :D Has the season started yet? :doh:
HTTR!

[HapHaszard]

Training camp is drawing closer, I'm sure the sun will come up tomorrow, and depth charts mean nothing in the off season. Its where you are when the season starts that counts. Remember its good to be a homer on ES, look at all the other teams fans that hang out here. If you have read this far you have wasted valuable time.

[DWinzit]

JC will move up to number two on the depth chart prior to opening day. Both Romo and JC will be given the opportunity. With Bledsoe at the helm, Parcells will look to pull him for poor play or injury due to the Oline and/or holding on to the ball for too long. JC will begin to see action late in games where our offense is producing and the defense does there normal job. With the additions on defense, no one will scoring much on the Redskins! Eventually Gibbs may get him into games earlier for experience.

[robotfire]

No he is not. Jason Campbell led Auburn to an undefeated season in the SEC. Tomy Romo played at Eastern Illinois and led the Panther's to an 8-4 season his senior year. You can throw in your Roethlisbergers and Penningtons of the world, but they are the exception, not the rule. And those guys dominated the MAC, which is like the Big Ten compared to 1-AA ball.

You can't tell me with a straight face that if the other 30 teams in the NFL could choose between Campbell and Romo, that they would take Romo. I'm not saying Campbell will be a star, but at this point he is a much more attractive prospect than Romo.

And it's Campbell's 2nd year, not his 3rd. Not to mention depth charts mean **** until the season starts. Don't forget who was "#1" a year ago today.Beautifully said.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Come on, can we just admit already that we all have "homer" tendencies when it comes to our teams?

[bigyim]

']Come on, can we just admit already that we all have "homer" tendencies when it comes to our teams?

Absolutely true...however, some people are more blinded to reality than others, as proven by countless posts on this site.

Maybe third-party reference can help clear this up, Tom...if the starting QB for your team went down (heaven forbid), who would you rather have, Tony Romo or Jason Campbell?

You can throw in Rob Johnson or Jared Lorensen into the discussion...although you may not want to. ;)

[Redsk58417]

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.

I think this is Campbells 2nd season. QB Phillip Rivers didn't start till year 3. He was a top 5 draft pick.

[THEHEREAFTER]

You can't tell me with a straight face that if the other 30 teams in the NFL could choose between Campbell and Romo, that they would take Romo. I'm not saying Campbell will be a star, but at this point he is a much more attractive prospect than Romo.



The point is predicting success at QB is an in-exact science and that's exactly what you're doing. I just don't think it's homerish to compare the two unproven QB's even though JC is more highly touted coming out of school.

[ouvan59]

The point is predicting success at QB is an in-exact science and that's exactly what you're doing. I just don't think it's homerish to compare the two unproven QB's even though JC is more highly touted coming out of school.

Then you will have to admit that Bobby Carpenter is no better than Rocky McIntosh.

[kingfish50]

I hate myself for saying this: THA is right. :doh:


Romo and Campbell are equally unproven commodities. Either could be a star. Either could be a complete bust.

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.
Joe Gibbs has always held his QB draft picks at the # 2 & 3 spot for a minimum of 2 years, usually 3. He wants Campbell to be able to recite that playbook in his sleep.
If you were ever around to see Joe Gibbs in his first tour here, when his QB's would come off the bench, it was like they had been playing all season. It happened with Schroeder and Rypien. Rypien didn't start until his 4th year. If I'm wrong on that, then it was definitly his 3rd year and he played like a veteran.
Joe is in no rush to throw Campbell to the wolves like Coughlen (mispelled) did with Eli. Eli's inexperience cost them quite a few games 2 seasons ago and it cost them in thier home playoff game last year. The giants will loose games this year due to his immaturity at that position. I'm not saying Eli isn't any good, it's just that he's still in the learning process. Thus, it will cost the giants a few victorys this year.
I give Joe Gibbs the benefit of doubt. I've seen what he has done with mediocre QBs and Campbell is supposed to be a gem. His time will come and you'll see the brilliance of Joe Gibbs. Hail!

[THEHEREAFTER]

Then you will have to admit that Bobby Carpenter is no better than Rocky McIntosh.

At this point, as NFL players, that is a very fair assessment! Now do I favor Bobby Carpenter as a PROSPECT especially with our team and our scheme? Absolutely, but in no way shape or form would I accuse skins fans homerish to compare the two LB's.

[frankbones]

The point is predicting success at QB is an in-exact science and that's exactly what you're doing. I just don't think it's homerish to compare the two unproven QB's even though JC is more highly touted coming out of school.

Sure it is. If I say I would take Khery Campbell (back up LB,special teams player) over Bobby Carpenter, because Campbell has experience, wheras Carpenter has none, then I am being a total homer.

Your logic is faulty my friend. There is a reason players are drafted in the 1st round. Maybe Carpenter ends up being a bust, but right n ow he is a more attractive prospect than Kheri Campbell.

[Chachie]

']Come on, can we just admit already that we all have "homer" tendencies when it comes to our teams?

Absolutely. Each and every one of us come here to support our team or to slam on someone else's. These forums are the gardens of homerism. This isn't "extremeneutrals.com."

[THEHEREAFTER]

Sure it is. If I say I would take Khery Campbell (back up LB,special teams player) over Bobby Carpenter, because Campbell has experience, wheras Carpenter has none, then I am being a total homer.

Your logic is faulty my friend. There is a reason players are drafted in the 1st round. Maybe Carpenter ends up being a bust, but right n ow he is a more attractive prospect than Kheri Campbell.


Hmmm, I agreed to switch positions and go with his example of ROCKY McINTOSH, another highly touted LB. Now you want to compare Kheri Campbell, a player I've never even heard of, with a straight face and call my logic faulty? :rolleyes: Would you agree that assessing QB's is a bit different than any other position including LB? The playing field in predicting success with QB prospects can be pretty broad from first to the later rounds. I have no problems with the assumption that JC is the more "attractive" prospect than Romo. I just think it's a fair discussion to compare the two given that both are CLEAR BACKUPS at this point, and neither has proven ANYTHING at arguably the most challenging and hardest to gage positions in all of sports. By no means am I a JC hater, I just don't it's an absurd conversation.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I'm sorry, if you would rather have Tony Romo than Jason Campbell you have an IQ in the teens. This thread should be closed b/c its actually making innocent people dumber.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

Maybe third-party reference can help clear this up, Tom...if the starting QB for your team went down (heaven forbid), who would you rather have, Tony Romo or Jason Campbell?

You can throw in Rob Johnson or Jared Lorensen into the discussion...although you may not want to.

Answering this question would be a guess on anyone's part. Campbell hasn't shown anything yet because he hasn't received a chance yet to play. To assume he is better than anyone without seeing him is homerism at its finest. And I would throw Lorenzen in because he has been very impressive so far. But I wouldn't say he is better than Romo or Campbell. No one knows. I wouldn't pick any of them right now. I mean, if I had to, Romo only because he has more experience.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I'm sorry, if you would rather have Tony Romo than Jason Campbell you have an IQ in the teens. This thread should be closed b/c its actually making innocent people dumber.

:doh: Skin'd alive, this is exactly why I do it! :laugh: Not worth addressing but I will. First, please show me where I indicated which QB I'd rather have? Stay on target. JC could become the next McNair while Romo is selling insurance next year OORRRRRRRRR Romo could become the next Delhomme and JC the next Akili Smith? We just don't know do we? It's a worthy discussion. Not rocket science!

[ouvan59]

At this point, as NFL players, that is a very fair assessment! Now do I favor Bobby Carpenter as a PROSPECT especially with our team and our scheme? Absolutely, but in no way shape or form would I accuse skins fans homerish to compare the two LB's.

That's fair but there were quite a few of your brethren on here right after the draft claiming otherwise.

But the same arguement applies for both situations. Obviously Dallas feels that Carpenter is the better player for their situation since they had the option to select either player and went with Carpenter. A similar situation applies to Romo-Campbell except it is amplified since every team passed on Romo for the entire draft while Campbell at worst was considered a 2nd round pick and a 1st by many.

Nothing about draft status means that a player will or won't be successful but I think that most people in the know would take Campbell in a heartbeat over Romo.

[frankbones]

Hmmm, I agreed to switch positions and go with his example of ROCKY McINTOSH, another highly touted LB. Now you want to compare Kheri Campbell, a player I've never even heard of, with a straight face and call my logic faulty? :rolleyes: Would you agree that assessing QB's is a bit different than any other position including LB? The playing field in predicting success with QB prospects can be pretty broad from first to the later rounds. I have no problems with the assumption that JC is the more "attractive" prospect than Romo. I just think it's a fair discussion to compare the two given that both are CLEAR BACKUPS at this point, and neither has proven ANYTHING at arguably the most challenging and hardest to gage positions in all of sports. By no means am I a JC hater, I just don't it's an absurd conversation.


I thought it would be a better comparison to look at a career back up in his 4th or 5th year and compare him to a mid 1st rounder. I took your Carpenter reference and made more relevant to the conversation. J. Campbell (1st rounder) is to B. Carpenter(1st rounder) as T. Romo(Career Back up - UDFA)
is to K. Campbell(Career Back up - UDFA) .

Comparing McIntosh and Carpenter(both rookies and drafted within 17 spots of each other) does not equate to this conversation IMO.

I'm guessing you didn't do to well on the analogy portion of your SAT's :)

[Eternal_Cowboy]

The ESPN boards are, for lack of a better word, crap. They have little to no moderation and most posters are just looking to pick a fight. Very little IQ to be foudn there. Pay them no mind. They are not representative of the whole Cowboys fanbase.

[ouvan59]

Actually I think the point is that neither Romo or Campbell has played a down so you can't say which is better for certain. Khari Campbell has played and we have seen what he can do but Carpenter has not so it's not a fair comparison especially since Khari has not won a starting spot even with openings available.

[The-Rock]

The funniest posters there were the ones that thought we signed Collins, a what like 10 year veteran of this style of offense and solid backup in K.C. because Jason Campbell wasnt good enough. We just want a backup that doesnt have anything new to learn... talent wise Jason Campbell isnt really lacking.

[drowland]

I thought it would be a better comparison to look at a career back up in his 4th or 5th year and compare him to a mid 1st rounder. I took your Carpenter reference and made more relevant to the conversation. J. Campbell (1st rounder) is to B. Carpenter(1st rounder) as T. Romo(Career Back up - UDFA)
is to K. Campbell(Career Back up - UDFA) .

Comparing McIntosh and Carpenter(both rookies and drafted within 17 spots of each other) does not equate to this conversation IMO.

I'm guessing you didn't do to well on the analogy portion of your SAT's :)

I'm not sure you did to well on the analogy portion either. Khari Campbell has actually played in NFL game, were Carpenter has not. The comparison with Romo and JC is neither has thrown a pass yet in a NFL game so they're both equally unproven.

[Eternal_Cowboy]

The funniest posters there were the ones that thought we signed Collins, a what like 10 year veteran of this style of offense and solid backup in K.C. because Jason Campbell wasnt good enough. We just want a backup that doesnt have anything new to learn... talent wise Jason Campbell isnt really lacking.

It's impossil;e to know how good Campbell is. At Auburn, he had two of the top 3 backs in the nation helping him out. He was in a run oriented offense and was not really allowed to do his thing. The Sugar Bowl in 2004 was really the only game that he showed the ability to control a game at the QB position, not because of ability necessarily, but because he was rarely given the chance.

[dfos81]

You can't be serious!?

#1. You posted this thread on homer central a.k.a. ES.. :silly:

#2. Has Campbell PROVEN that he's a competent NFL QB let alone better than a backup veteran?

You sound like some of the same guys that thought Dallas was going to beat us last yr. I can't wait for the season to start, just watch and see. When Bledsoe gets knocked out, you'll be wishing you had anybody but Romo. You can't judge Campbell yet, wait until Pre season and we'll compare. I just hope you don't put any money on Romo being better then Campbell.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

It's impossil;e to know how good Campbell is. At Auburn, he had two of the top 3 backs in the nation helping him out. He was in a run oriented offense and was not really allowed to do his thing. The Sugar Bowl in 2004 was really the only game that he showed the ability to control a game at the QB position, not because of ability necessarily, but because he was rarely given the chance.

Actually, Jason Campbell, and neither of his rb's, was named SEC Offensive Player of the year that year. Jason Campbell was a beast his senior year in college. He might have had two good rb's, but SEC coaches recognized him as the player of the year, no one else

[Eternal_Cowboy]

You sound like some of the same guys that thought Dallas was going to beat us last yr. I can't wait for the season to start, just watch and see. When Bledsoe gets knocked out, you'll be wishing you had anybody but Romo. You can't judge Campbell yet, wait until Pre season and we'll compare. I just hope you don't put any money on Romo being better then Campbell.

If Bledsoe didnt get knocked out last year, he likely wont this year with a much improved O-Line and TO lessening teams willingness to blitz

[hkHog]

Look, Campbell hasn't proved anything yet but any sports fan with half a brain would say that he is probably a much better player than Romo could ever dream of becoming in the same way as you would say Reggie Bush is a much better player than Wendell Mathis, a UDFA RB who signed with the Vikings. To say otherwise is absolutely idiotic but hey, when has that ever stopped a Cowboy fan before!:dallasuck

[Eternal_Cowboy]

Actually, Jason Campbell, and neither of his rb's, was named SEC Offensive Player of the year that year. Jason Campbell was a beast his senior year in college. He might have had two good rb's, but SEC coaches recognized him as the player of the year, no one else

While this is true, anyone who doesnt recognize Cadillac and Brown as the true stars of that team are blinded by homerism. Two top 5 picks in the same backfield? That makes any QB look good.

The fact remains, no one knows how good Romo or Campbell will be

[Tulane Skins Fan]

This is why this conversation is stupid. While it is a fact that neither player has played much in the NFL, you readily admit that Campbell has more physical talent. So in essence we are comparing a player with a lot of talent and no experience to a player with minimal talent and no experience. and somehow in all the cowpuke fans' minds you are picking the guy with minimal talent and no experience.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I thought it would be a better comparison to look at a career back up in his 4th or 5th year and compare him to a mid 1st rounder. I took your Carpenter reference and made more relevant to the conversation. J. Campbell (1st rounder) is to B. Carpenter(1st rounder) as T. Romo(Career Back up - UDFA)
is to K. Campbell(Career Back up - UDFA) .

Comparing McIntosh and Carpenter(both rookies and drafted within 17 spots of each other) does not equate to this conversation IMO.

I'm guessing you didn't do to well on the analogy portion of your SAT's :)

I'm guessing you didn't do to well at reading comprehension. You know, following a story. The issue at hand is T. Romo vs. JC. I simply entertained examples as they were brought to me. Introducing K. Campbell into the discussion was out of place for several reasons as I'm sure you now realize. :)

[illone]

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.


This is Campbell's 2nd season.

Also, the current information wouldn't reflect his actual status being this close to training camp.

Wait until the roster comes out and the actual pre-season depth chart is divulged.

[The-Rock]

While this is true, anyone who doesnt recognize Cadillac and Brown as the true stars of that team are blinded by homerism. Two top 5 picks in the same backfield? That makes any QB look good.

The fact remains, no one knows how good Romo or Campbell will be

Yes but I wasnt trying to debate who has more skill, I was saying it was funny that the cowboys fans on that forum were implying that we were forced to sign Todd Collins because Jason Campbell is talentless, Todd Collins was added because we shifted styles of offense and it is great to have a QB that already knows everything helping the other two QB's learn what they have to do.

[THEHEREAFTER]

You sound like some of the same guys that thought Dallas was going to beat us last yr.

I haven't judged him yet and I wouldn't bet either way.

[MustangSteve]

#2. Has Campbell PROVEN that he's a competent NFL QB let alone better than a backup veteran? Cant disagree there, many Skins fans really have there hopes high on JC, but I heard the same thing with Taylor Jacobs who had a perfect shot to shine late last season and just burried his head in the sand, had every chance in the world to show what he can do when teams were following Santana all over the field, and not sure if he even caught a pass.

I wont be sold on anyone untill they have proven themselves in a real game and not against back ups like in preseason. But I sure hope JC is everything that I been hearing.

[hkHog]

This is why this conversation is stupid. While it is a fact that neither player has played much in the NFL, you readily admit that Campbell has more physical talent. So in essence we are comparing a player with a lot of talent and no experience to a player with minimal talent and no experience. and somehow in all the cowpuke fans' minds you are picking the guy with minimal talent and no experience.

Bingo, the bottom line is you are an idiot if you actually believe Romo will be a better player than Campbell. I will admit it is possible but highly unlikely.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

While anything is possible, you can't think that Romo is a better bet to be a better player. You just can't. If you had to pick one now, you would pick the guy with talent over the guy without talent. Not that tough to figure that out.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Look, Campbell hasn't proved anything yet but any sports fan with half a brain would say that he is probably a much better player than Romo could ever dream of becoming in the same way as you would say Reggie Bush is a much better player than Wendell Mathis, a UDFA RB who signed with the Vikings. To say otherwise is absolutely idiotic but hey, when has that ever stopped a Cowboy fan before!:dallasuck

Are you actually drawing a correlation between Reggie Bush and Jason Campbell? A sure fire #1 overall caliber (stupid Texans), once every 10 year projected RB prospect vs. a QB some call a first round reach from a run oriented school? Also, one is buried in the depth chart at one of the most difficult positions to grasp and project in all of sports whereas the other will be playing alongside a proven RB, alleviating pressure, at a position where natural ability and talent leads to a smoother transition towards immediate success in the NFL. Do you grasp that neither QB has actually played yet. Jake Delhomme was also an UDFA with half of the "measurables" or physical skills of Jason Campbell. Why is everything so black and white with some of you guys. Do you even follow football?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Are you actually drawing a correlation between Reggie Bush and Jason Campbell? A sure fire #1 caliber, once every 10 year projected RB prospect vs. a QB some call a first round reach from a run oriented school? Also, one is buried in the depth chart at one of the most difficult positions to grasp and project in all of sports whereas the other will be playing alongside a proven RB, alleviating pressure, at a position where natural ability and talent leads to a smoother transition towards immediate success in the NFL. Do you grasp that neither QB has actually played yet. Jake Delhomme was also an UDFA with half of the "measurables" or physical skills of Jason Campbell. Why is everything so black and white with some of you guys. Do you even follow football?

whats black and white is that you don't know that tony romo can play. we also don't know if JC can play. but dude, if you had to pick, you would pick the guy with more talent. How can you debate that?

It would be one thing if Romo had played at times and played well, but he hasnt done that either. If he had somehow proved that he has the ability to play in the NFL already. But he hasnt done that.

Instead, we are comparing a guy that has very little talent and hasnt played, to a guy with a lot of talent and hasnt played.

It doesnt get any more black and white, really.

[THEHEREAFTER]

whats black and white is that you don't know that tony romo can play. we also don't know if JC can play. but dude, if you had to pick, you would pick the guy with more talent. How can you debate that?

It would be one thing if Romo had played at times and played well, but he hasnt done that either. If he had somehow proved that he has the ability to play in the NFL already. But he hasnt done that.

Instead, we are comparing a guy that has very little talent and hasnt played, to a guy with a lot of talent and hasnt played.

It doesnt get any more black and white, really.

First off, you're doing what many (not all) es members love to do which is to get off track and start an argument where there really shouldn't be one. Not once in this thread did I declare that I would prefer either QB as you want me to. I simply stated that I don't believe it's a "homerific" debate to speculate as to which QB might turn out better given the uncertainty of the position. Also, I think Romo's experience on an NFL roster may even the debate a little given JC's physical skills.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

First off, you're doing what many (not all) es members love to do which is to get off track and start an argument where there really shouldn't be one. Not once in this thread did I declare that I would prefer either QB as you want me to. I simply stated that I don't believe it's a "homerific" debate to speculate as to which QB might turn out better given the uncertainty of the position. Also, I think Romo's experience on an NFL roster may even the debate a little given JC's physical skills.

First off, the original post had a link to a thread where cowboy fans were claiming that they would rather have romo than jason campbell.

second of all, several people on this thread have said that they think romo will turn out better than campbell. to me, that is akin to saying you would rather have romo than campbell. If you can explain how saying you think one guy will be better doesnt mean you would rather have him, then go for it.

finally, while certainly qb is the hardest position to "project," there is no way anyone who is not a cowboys fan projects tony romo to ever be a starting qb. and there is no one who is not a cowboys fan that projects romo to be a better qb than jason campbell. i'm sorry, it is blind homerism to say that romo has an advantage in any way.

[THEHEREAFTER]

This is why this conversation is stupid. While it is a fact that neither player has played much in the NFL, you readily admit that Campbell has more physical talent. So in essence we are comparing a player with a lot of talent and no experience to a player with minimal talent and no experience. and somehow in all the cowpuke fans' minds you are picking the guy with minimal talent and no experience.

It's not so black and white and "talent" is a very delicate and subjective term when projecting QB's. Are we speaking "measurables" (i.e. height, weight, arm strength etc.), intelligence, speed, experience? Wait a minute? Can a QB be measured on these qualitites alone or is there something else involved which is difficult to simulate LIKE ACTUALLY PLAYING IN NFL GAMES OF CONSEQUENCE????? :doh: :laugh:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

It's not so black and white and "talent" is a very delicate and subjective term when projecting QB's. Are we speaking "measurables" (i.e. height, weight, arm strength etc.), intelligence, speed, experience? Wait a minute? Can a QB be measured on these qualitites alone or is there something else involved which is difficult to simulate LIKE ACTUALLY PLAYING IN NFL GAMES OF CONSEQUENCE????? :doh: :laugh:


seriously dude, HAS ROMO PLAYED IN GAMES OF CONSEQUENCE?

Your argument might begin to hold water if Romo had displayed any intangibles or anything that you are talking about. But he hasnt either. the only thing that you can weigh these two on is their measurables and their college careers. And Campbell has him on both accounts.

So keep saying that there are intangibles that go along with playing qb, but just dont say that you have any reason to believe that Romo has them. Because you don't.

[Bryan_Randall]

Comparing 2 unproven NFL commodities at this point is mundane. Campbell is much more likely to be successful than Romo due to better natural talent... but then again Akili Smith was much more likely to be successful than Tom Brady. Until either of them even throw a regular season pass, this is an effing stupid debate. Most football saavy people including myself would pick Campbell in an instant... but until the truth is revealed that's just going off of collegiate displays (in which Campbell was subpar until his senior year) and raw talent.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Comparing 2 unproven NFL commodities at this point is mundane. Campbell is much more likely to be successful than Romo due to better natural talent... but then again Akili Smith was much more likely to be successful than Tom Brady. Until either of them even throw a regular season pass, this is an effing stupid debate. Most football saavy people including myself would pick Campbell in an instant... but until the truth is revealed that's just going off of collegiate displays (in which Campbell was subpar until his senior year) and raw talent.


AND THE TRUTH HAS SET YOU FREEEEEEEE!

I agree 100% with this post. Stupid argument, if you had to pick one RIGHT NOW, you would pick Campbell.

[THEHEREAFTER]

First off, the original post had a link to a thread where cowboy fans were claiming that they would rather have romo than jason campbell.

second of all, several people on this thread have said that they think romo will turn out better than campbell. to me, that is akin to saying you would rather have romo than campbell. If you can explain how saying you think one guy will be better doesnt mean you would rather have him, then go for it.

finally, while certainly qb is the hardest position to "project," there is no way anyone who is not a cowboys fan projects tony romo to ever be a starting qb. and there is no one who is not a cowboys fan that projects romo to be a better qb than jason campbell. i'm sorry, it is blind homerism to say that romo has an advantage in any way.

I'm not one of the Cowboy fans who said that Romo will be better so you made an incorrect assumption. I guess this is where our confusion lies? I'm just suggesting that the issue is atleast debatable that's all which IMO doesn't make me a homer. I hope this clears our confusion.

[THEHEREAFTER]

seriously dude, HAS ROMO PLAYED IN GAMES OF CONSEQUENCE?

Your argument might begin to hold water if Romo had displayed any intangibles or anything that you are talking about. But he hasnt either. the only thing that you can weigh these two on is their measurables and their college careers. And Campbell has him on both accounts.

So keep saying that there are intangibles that go along with playing qb, but just dont say that you have any reason to believe that Romo has them. Because you don't.

I'M NOT SAYING THAT TONY ROMO WILL BE BETTER! CAN YOU READ? IS ENGLISH A SECOND LANGUAGE? :doh:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Can you read? Did I say that you said Romo was better?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Look THF, the thread was started in response to Cowboys fans saying that they would rather have Romo than Campbell. That's what I'm talking about. At this point, I dont know what your point is other than you think Campbell has nothing going for him. That's fine.

All I'm saying is in response to the original post in this thread, it is silly to say that anyone would rather have Romo than Campbell. If you say intangibles are part of being a qb in a thread about people comparing Romo and Campbell, I'm gonna assume that you think Romo has those intangibles. I dont think that's that big a leap.

If you say that though, IF you say that, Im going to laugh though b/c Romo has never played in any of these games of consequence that you talk about.

So, all I'm talking about is the original post and the people who said that they would Rather have Romo than Campbell. And, I think its a silly thing to say with no basis at all.

[THEHEREAFTER]

AND THE TRUTH HAS SET YOU FREEEEEEEE!

I agree 100% with this post. Stupid argument, if you had to pick one RIGHT NOW, you would pick Campbell.

Most everyone would pick Campbell but that was never my debate. Who I or anyone else "should" pick. If it makes you feel better, I would pick Campbell at this point but this means absolutely NOTHING. I don't think it's homerific to speculate given the position and the experience of both. How each ends up wouldn't surprise me either way!

[CowboysForLife]

Yes, a Cowboys fan who says that want TR over JC for no apparent reason is a homer.

However, I also think that those Redskins fans who are immediately like, "JC for President", or "JC is soooo much better than Brunell, get rid of him!", or, "Bledsoe sucks, JC is sooo much better than him!"

Right now, for this one season, ONE season only, would you rather have Bledsoe, or Campbell? (The Ultimate Homer Test)

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Bledsoe or Campbell? I would have to go with Bledsoe. But I would also make a play in which I tell all the O lineman to let everyone get through unblocked so that Bledsoe gets his leg broke :)

[THEHEREAFTER]

Can you read? Did I say that you said Romo was better?

Then what are we arguing about? What do you want from me?

[THEHEREAFTER]

Look THF, the thread was started in response to Cowboys fans saying that they would rather have Romo than Campbell. .

This was the confusion. I just simply entertained the idea of the debate itself without siding with anyone or even reading the thread from that site in detail.

[illone]

Romo sucks.

End of discussion.

It isn't known what Campbell can do but I'm going to roll with Joe Gibbs track record on that one.

I could be wrong on this but I can't think of one QB that Gibbs picked (draft or FA) that hasn't done well for the Skins.

Gibbs gets the most out of his QBs.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Romo sucks.

End of discussion.

It isn't known what Campbell can do but I'm going to roll with Joe Gibbs track record on that one.

I could be wrong on this but I can't think of one QB that Gibbs picked (draft or FA) that hasn't done well for the Skins.

Gibbs gets the most out of his QBs.

There it is. Discussion settled. :cheers:

[dfos81]

seriously dude, HAS ROMO PLAYED IN GAMES OF CONSEQUENCE?

Your argument might begin to hold water if Romo had displayed any intangibles or anything that you are talking about. But he hasnt either. the only thing that you can weigh these two on is their measurables and their college careers. And Campbell has him on both accounts.

So keep saying that there are intangibles that go along with playing qb, but just dont say that you have any reason to believe that Romo has them. Because you don't.

That should halt all of the Romo homerism. :applause:

[Bryan_Randall]

Truth be told, I'm lower on Romo than most Cowboys fans. I don't see a lick of talent in him. I'm holding onto the hope that eventually Jerry will break down and draft a damn QB in the first round.

[illone]

There it is. Discussion settled. :cheers:


:cheers:

[Eternal_Cowboy]

Truth be told, I'm lower on Romo than most Cowboys fans. I don't see a lick of talent in him. I'm holding onto the hope that eventually Jerry will break down and draft a damn QB in the first round.

I am of the opinion that he can and will develop into a solid backup one day, and is certainly better than Drew Henson. However, to say he is better than Jason Campbell, a first round pick, is silly until he does something to prove it.

[Bacon]

It really goes without saying, but 1st round picks can be overrated. (Were any Tom Bradys or Kurt Warners drafted in the first 32, or at all?)

Still, I've got to say Jason Campbell is the better prospect. I don't see how you can't think that. Even the homerest of Cowboy homers should agree with that.

[Plane Thrower]

Absolutely true...however, some people are more blinded to reality than others, as proven by countless posts on this site.Sort of like Bubba saying that Lloyd is a better reciever than Owens. Not only homerism at it's finest, but sheer idiocy.

[ouvan59]

Truth be told, I'm lower on Romo than most Cowboys fans. I don't see a lick of talent in him. I'm holding onto the hope that eventually Jerry will break down and draft a damn QB in the first round.

Campbell is better than the guy you are going to draft!!! :D

[portis&taylor]

What a bunch of b*llsh*t

[thespaniard]

This thread got me wondering how many first rond QBs are starting in the NFL and how many were diamonds in the rough (2nd or later). If there is a camp battle I omitted the team, although most battles are between a first round pick and a veteran (ex. Volek vs. Vince Young in Tenn). So if those battles come out 50/50, it shouldn't affect the numbers:

Buffalo Bills Omitted
Miami Dolphins Culpepper (1st)
New England Patriots Brady (6th)
New York Jets Omitted
Baltimore Ravens McNair (1st)
Cincinnati Bengals Palmer (1st)
Cleveland Browns Frye (3rd)
Pittsburgh Steelers Roethlisberger (1st)
Houston Texans Carr (1st)
Indianapolis Colts Manning (1st)
Jacksonville Jaguars Leftwich (1st)
Tennessee Titans Omitted
Denver Broncos Plummer (2nd)
Kansas City Chiefs Green (8th)
Oakland Raiders Brooks (4th)
San Diego Chargers Rivers (1st)

Dallas Cowboys Bledsoe (1st)
New York Giants Manning (1st)
Philadelphia Eagles McNabb (1st)
Washington Redskins Brunell (5th)
Chicago Bears Grossman (1st)
Detroit Lions Kitna (UDFA)
Green Bay Packers Favre (2nd)
Minnesota Vikings Johnson (9th)
Atlanta Falcons Vick (1st)
Carolina Panthers Delhomme (UDFA)
New Orleans Saints Brees (2nd)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Simms (3rd)
Arizona Cardinals Warner (UDFA)
St. Louis Rams Bulger (6th)
San Francisco Smith (1st)
Seattle Seahawks Hasslebeck (6th)

1st rounders: 14
Other: 15

Omitted: 3 (Jets, Bills and Titans)

They both have an equal chance. So stop arguing :silly:

[CowboysForLife]

This thread got me wondering how many first rond QBs are starting in the NFL and how many were diamonds in the rough (2nd or later). If there is a camp battle I omitted the team, although most battles are between a first round pick and a veteran (ex. Volek vs. Vince Young in Tenn). So if those battles come out 50/50, it shouldn't affect the numbers:

Buffalo Bills Omitted
Miami Dolphins Culpepper (1st)
New England Patriots Brady (6th)
New York Jets Omitted
Baltimore Ravens McNair (1st)
Cincinnati Bengals Palmer (1st)
Cleveland Browns Frye (3rd)
Pittsburgh Steelers Roethlisberger (1st)
Houston Texans Carr (1st)
Indianapolis Colts Manning (1st)
Jacksonville Jaguars Leftwich (1st)
Tennessee Titans Omitted
Denver Broncos Plummer (2nd)
Kansas City Chiefs Green (8th)
Oakland Raiders Brooks (4th)
San Diego Chargers Rivers (1st)

Dallas Cowboys Bledsoe (1st)
New York Giants Manning (1st)
Philadelphia Eagles McNabb (1st)
Washington Redskins Brunell (5th)
Chicago Bears Grossman (1st)
Detroit Lions Kitna (UDFA)
Green Bay Packers Favre (2nd)
Minnesota Vikings Johnson (9th)
Atlanta Falcons Vick (1st)
Carolina Panthers Delhomme (UDFA)
New Orleans Saints Brees (2nd)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Simms (3rd)
Arizona Cardinals Warner (UDFA)
St. Louis Rams Bulger (6th)
San Francisco Smith (1st)
Seattle Seahawks Hasslebeck (6th)

1st rounders: 14
Other: 15

Omitted: 3 (Jets, Bills and Titans)

They both have an equal chance. So stop arguing :silly:

Actually, I'd hate to disagree, correct me if i'm wrong, but Romo was Undrafted, and there were only 3 undrafted starting QBs.

Therefore, Campbell has a better chance than Romo. Stranger things have happened though.

[thespaniard]

Actually, I'd hate to disagree, correct me if i'm wrong, but Romo was Undrafted, and there were only 3 undrafted starting QBs.

Therefore, Campbell has a better chance than Romo. Stranger things have happened though.

I understand that. The argument as I understood it was that some people think JC is a better prospect because he was a 1st round pick and had tons of success in college and Romo wasn't/didn't.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

So half of the qb's selected in the first round make it? That sounds like good odds. Especially when you consider that Alex Smith and Aaron Rodgers havent exactly lit it up

[thespaniard]

So half of the qb's selected in the first round make it? That sounds like good odds.

No, half of the teams in the NFL have a first round pick for a QB. You would have to assume that there were only 32 first round QBs in the NFL to say that half get a starting job.

[ouvan59]

I understand that. The argument as I understood it was that some people think JC is a better prospect because he was a 1st round pick and had tons of success in college and Romo wasn't/didn't.

Your research shows that he is by a 14-3 margin.

Since 2000 there have been 16 QBs chosen in the first round. 10 of those are listed as the current starter for the team that drafted them (I'm counting Rivers and Manning as playing for their original team since they were never really with the other team). Of the 6 that are not the starter 2 haven't had a real shot yet (Campbell and Rodgers). 7 of those 10 have started a playoff game with their team.

2000 -- Pennington
2001 -- Vick
2002 -- Carr, Harrington, Ramsey
2003 -- Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2004 -- Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Losman
2005 -- Campbell, Smith, Rodgers

I don't have the time but there have been far more UDFA's in that time frame and only three are listed as starters.

[thespaniard]

Your research shows that he is by a 14-3 margin.

Since 2000 there have been 16 QBs chosen in the first round. 10 of those are listed as the current starter for the team that drafted them (I'm counting Rivers and Manning as playing for their original team since they were never really with the other team). Of the 6 that are not the starter 2 haven't had a real shot yet (Campbell and Rodgers). 7 of those 10 have started a playoff game with their team.

2000 -- Pennington
2001 -- Vick
2002 -- Carr, Harrington, Ramsey
2003 -- Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman
2004 -- Manning, Rivers, Roethlisberger, Losman
2005 -- Campbell, Smith, Rodgers

I don't have the time but there have been far more UDFA's in that time frame and only three are listed as starters.

UDFA QBs? I'd have to look into how many are brought in every year..

[Skins4481]

I understand that. The argument as I understood it was that some people think JC is a better prospect because he was a 1st round pick and had tons of success in college and Romo wasn't/didn't.

umm...having the better college career and being a first round draft pick DOES make you the better prospect. :doh:

[Riggo#44]

umm...having the better college career and being a first round draft pick DOES make you the better prospect. :doh:

The only reason Romo is on that team is b/c he reminds PArcells of someone he grew up with...he is nothing more than a journeyman back up

[CowboyzSuckAzz]

:laugh: The best HUMOR has some truth to it and Bubba what does your statement have anything to do with you NOT being homers? Save some energy for the season Bubba. :rolleyes: You'll need it for spin control. :cool:



<----------------Homer! Right here! :ciao: :logo: :point2sky :dallasuck

[CowboyzSuckAzz]

']Come on, can we just admit already that we all have "homer" tendencies when it comes to our teams?

I already have a looooooooooong time ago! I even got prescription sunglasses in "Redskins Burgundy."

<----------------Homer! Right here! :ciao: :logo: :point2sky :dallasuck

[thespaniard]

umm...having the better college career and being a first round draft pick DOES make you the better prospect. :doh:

I agree, and perhaps I should have reworded my post. While JC may be a better prospect, I was looking at how that translates to actual NFL success. I agree with THEHEREAFTER that the QB position is the hardest one to judge, and that NFL success does not depend on measurables and physical talent for a QB as much as it does in other positions. Because so much of the game is mental, I think it is at least a fair discussion to debate whether Romo, who is a lesser prospect, may have as much or more success in the NFL as JC.

[CowboyzSuckAzz]

:doh: Skin'd alive, this is exactly why I do it! :laugh: Not worth addressing but I will. First, please show me where I indicated which QB I'd rather have? Stay on target. JC could become the next McNair while Romo is selling insurance next year OORRRRRRRRR Romo could become the next Delhomme and JC the next Akili Smith? We just don't know do we? It's a worthy discussion. Not rocket science!


No. No matter what, Romo will always suck & Campbell will always rule as long as they are where they are! :point2sky










Ok, in all seriousness...I agree with this logic...unfortunately. It is impossible to stack these 2 guys against each other. I like Campbell because I have read & seen things that made me giddy like a schoolgirl. BUT, in all fairness, we have yet to see him to a snap in an NFL game & what he did in college don't mean squat now. I BELIEVE that Campbell will be a better QB than McNabb over time. BUT, that remains to be SEEN!


:dallasuck

[Skins4481]

The only reason Romo is on that team is b/c he reminds PArcells of someone he grew up with...he is nothing more than a journeyman back up

Is that really why he is on the team?

[Skins4481]

I agree, and perhaps I should have reworded my post. While JC may be a better prospect, I was looking at how that translates to actual NFL success. I agree with THEHEREAFTER that the QB position is the hardest one to judge, and that NFL success does not depend on measurables and physical talent for a QB as much as it does in other positions. Because so much of the game is mental, I think it is at least a fair discussion to debate whether Romo, who is a lesser prospect, may have as much or more success in the NFL as JC.

I agree with what you say now.

[DallasRocks!!]

so its agreed, we all take Romo over JC

[FedExFielder]

so its agreed, we all take Romo over JC


What up with all these Dallas fans pulling up old threads today??

[DallasRocks!!]

What up with all these Dallas fans pulling up old threads today??

only bringing back the smart things that were said here

[mcterry7]

only bringing back the smart things that were said here


This is a Redskins forum, what did you expect.

[FedExFielder]

only bringing back the smart things that were said here

Care to take a dip into December of 05?:laugh:

[Tom [Giants fan]]

This won't stop until the Cowboys are eliminated from the playoffs. The sleeping giant that is A Dallas Cowboy fan has been awaken. Have mercy on us all!!! :doh:

[IrishOrange15]

I hate myself for saying this: THA is right. :doh:


Romo and Campbell are equally unproven commodities. Either could be a star. Either could be a complete bust.

I have to admit, it concerns me a little that going into his third NFL season, a first-round pick is third on the depth chart. I wonder if Coach Gibbs has found something he didn't expect, or if he's just being really cautious with Campbell.

Watch out, you may just get crucified for critquing Campbell.

As a Cowboys fan, my biggest worry about Campbell was him being able to ride the bench and fully develop when he's named the starter. Sitting on the bench is usually the way to go in today's NFL for QB's. People forget that Romo's closest similarity in the way he was brought into the league was Chad Pennington, who was superb before all of the injuries.

I was afraid that Campbell would get that 3 years to ride the bench and come out blazing like Pennington and Romo did. Campbell could very easily be a good QB in this league, but I've seen obvious reasons why Gibbs preferred to start Brunnell over him until Washington was all but eliminated from postseason.



YAKUZA

[DallasRocks!!]

Care to take a dip into December of 05?:laugh:

i dont live in the past, only the present!:applause:

[FedExFielder]

i dont live in the past, only the present!:applause:

You're joking right? You brought a thread back from July dude.

[skinsngibbs4life]

i dont live in the past, only the present!:applause:

of course, you all come crawling out of your whole when the cowboys start to win. Pretty easy to come to an opposing teams board and troll when their team is horrible.

Funny how there were only 1 or 2 dallas fans around here last year at this time, and yet, their whole fan base seems to want to come out and play now.

coincidence?

[Plane Thrower]

of course, you all come crawling out of your whole when the cowboys start to win. Pretty easy to come to an opposing teams board and troll when their team is horrible.

Funny how there were only 1 or 2 dallas fans around here last year at this time, and yet, their whole fan base seems to want to come out and play now.

coincidence?
It's not so much that the Cowboys are winning, it's your losing that brings the Boys fans out... especially here, where we can go back and read threads from July about how great these FA's and draft picks are, how Saunders is a Godsend, Portis will blow past everyone, etc. I mean, this is like a drug for non-Redskin fans because it is a complete release from reality... along with pure comedy when the Skins lose week after week.

[Riggo#44]

It's not so much that the Cowboys are winning, it's your losing that brings the Boys fans out... especially here, where we can go back and read threads from July about how great these FA's and draft picks are, how Saunders is a Godsend, Portis will blow past everyone, etc. I mean, this is like a drug for non-Redskin fans because it is a complete release from reality... along with pure comedy when the Skins lose week after week.

You just admitted you only come here to pile on. You only come out when the Boys are winning/Redskins are struggling. You are a bandwagon, troll. You are the WORST kind of fan.

For your reference:

No trolling. Do not post messages that are inflammatory and serve solely to incite fellow members. ExtremeSkins has always prided itself on its zero tolerance policy for the common internet troublemaker. Trolls will be identified and censured, at the discretion of the ES Staff, quickly and efficiently.

[THEHEREAFTER]

I love it when people resort to the "you're a bandwagoner" and "read the rules" outlets. :)

[Riggo#44]

I love it when people resort to the "you're a bandwagoner" and "read the rules" outlets. :)

Just like I love it when Cowboys fans disappear when they are losing and then they come out in droves when they are winning.

The Cowboys America's Bandwagon Team.

[Henry]

It's not so much that the Cowboys are winning, it's your losing that brings the Boys fans out... especially here, where we can go back and read threads from July about how great these FA's and draft picks are, how Saunders is a Godsend, Portis will blow past everyone, etc. I mean, this is like a drug for non-Redskin fans because it is a complete release from reality... along with pure comedy when the Skins lose week after week.

Oh make no mistake. It's because your Cowboys are good. There was none of this in 04 when you guys sucked alongside us. This is bandwagon material, especially from new Cowboy fans who amazingly showed up this season.

[Plane Thrower]

Just like I love it when Cowboys fans disappear when they are losing and then they come out in droves when they are winning.

The Cowboys America's Bandwagon Team.Actually, I love it more when you guys talk all sorts of smack about how great your team is before a single down is even played and when it proves to be false, you hide behind namecalling and rules reciting. That is the definition of a coward, which is much worse than being a "bandwagoner".

[Plane Thrower]

Oh make no mistake. It's because your Cowboys are good. There was none of this in 04 when you guys sucked alongside us. This is bandwagon material, especially from new Cowboy fans who amazingly showed up this season.
Ummm, Henry, look at when I joined. Hardly when the Cowboys started doing good.

[Henry]

Ummm, Henry, look at when I joined. Hardly when the Cowboys started doing good.

You're not the one scouring the archives for old threads to gloat about. Look at who did in this thread. His first post was in November.

Two threads down is another one of these from a guy who joined last month.

Maybe I wasn't talking specifically about you, though you're enthusiasm in piling on with these types is obvious.

[Plane Thrower]

You're not the one scouring the archives for old threads to gloat about. Look at who did in this thread. His first post was in November.

Two threads down is another one of these from a guy who joined last month.

Maybe I wasn't talking specifically about you, though you're enthusiasm in piling on with these types is obvious.
Point taken.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Just like I love it when Cowboys fans disappear when they are losing and then they come out in droves when they are winning.


Since I've joined this site in May of '05, there have been consistent Cowboys posters whether winning or losing including myself. Skins fans are obsessed with the Cowboys and ALWAYS talking smack just like you're doing now at 4-8. It's too difficult to stay away.

[Riggo#44]

Since I've joined this site in May of '05, there have been consistent Cowboys posters whether winning or losing including myself. Skins fans are obsessed with the Cowboys and ALWAYS talking smack just like you're doing now at 4-8. It's too difficult to stay away.

Yeah - and that's why you haven't gotten the Bandwagon label. You were here last year. You were here after 22-19. You and a couple of other Cowboys fans certainly have their faults (being Cowboys fans is first and foremost), but you're at least sensible enough to give credit where credit is due.

I am referring to the number of Cowboys "fans" that haven't posted in years or are just now signing up, gloating and making outrageous claims - like Tony Romo invented the question mark, bringing up old posts from the summer, accusing chestnuts of being lazy, etc. etc.

I bet if we were to bring up the Summer of '05 it would be the inverse.

[skins4eva]

Yeah - and that's why you haven't gotten the Bandwagon label. You were here last year. You were here after 22-19. You and a couple of other Cowboys fans certainly have their faults (being Cowboys fans is first and foremost), but you're at least sensible enough to give credit where credit is due.

I am referring to the number of Cowboys "fans" that haven't posted in years or are just now signing up, gloating and making outrageous claims - like Tony Romo invented the question mark, bringing up old posts from the summer, accusing chestnuts of being lazy, etc. etc.

I bet if we were to bring up the Summer of '05 it would be the inverse.


The details of Tony Romo's life are inconsequential. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the springtime we made meathelmets.

[Riggo#44]

The details of Tony Romo's life are inconsequential. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the springtime we made meathelmets.

At the age of twelve he received his first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved his testicles. Supposedly, there really is nothing like a shorn scrotum...ask THA, WeownU or IrishOrange, I am sure they can elaborate.

[DallasRocks!!]

You're not the one scouring the archives for old threads to gloat about. Look at who did in this thread. His first post was in November.

Two threads down is another one of these from a guy who joined last month.

Maybe I wasn't talking specifically about you, though you're enthusiasm in piling on with these types is obvious.

first off Henry, ive been a member of these boards longer than that. I have about 3 names on these forums. second of all, i moved way out of the DC area right before the season so I didnt come to these boards as often because I had face to face put downs to skins fans and now I dont have that. The most fun I had during a season was watching the DC area get all pumped up about how this upcoming year was their year to take it all, just to watch the entire thing come crashing down by week 3. Now that I am 10 hours away from the area I dont get to do that anymore. But I have been at this site longer than you know.

[DallasRocks!!]

and everyone here can talk all they want about band wagon fans. I promise anyone here that I could school you on your own team. And I am not talking about who can come up with the most pointless facts or stats from 10 years ago. I told a couple skin fans that I know during the pre season why the skins would suck this year and those reasons are exactly why they suck this year. I could honestly solve about 90% of the problems the skins have but since i am a Cowboys fan i cant be right or make sense.

[Gilgamesh]

first off Henry, ive been a member of these boards longer than that. I have about 3 names on these forums. second of all, i moved way out of the DC area right before the season so I didnt come to these boards as often because I had face to face put downs to skins fans and now I dont have that. The most fun I had during a season was watching the DC area get all pumped up about how this upcoming year was their year to take it all, just to watch the entire thing come crashing down by week 3. Now that I am 10 hours away from the area I dont get to do that anymore. But I have been at this site longer than you know. You're foolish enough to admit that are you? Hope you're not too attached to this screen name...

[FedExFielder]

and everyone here can talk all they want about band wagon fans. I promise anyone here that I could school you on your own team. And I am not talking about who can come up with the most pointless facts or stats from 10 years ago. I told a couple skin fans that I know during the pre season why the skins would suck this year and those reasons are exactly why they suck this year. I could honestly solve about 90% of the problems the skins have but since i am a Cowboys fan i cant be right or make sense.

There's a difference between a fan and a realist. Fans could expect the worst and not say anything but Let's go Skins! We can win it! To this day I still say that. There are some realists out there, but of course you are gonna say the Skins will suck, you root for DALLAS of all teams. It's easy to say you were right now and call yourself football genious.

[Henry]

first off Henry, ive been a member of these boards longer than that. I have about 3 names on these forums. second of all, i moved way out of the DC area right before the season so I didnt come to these boards as often because I had face to face put downs to skins fans and now I dont have that. The most fun I had during a season was watching the DC area get all pumped up about how this upcoming year was their year to take it all, just to watch the entire thing come crashing down by week 3. Now that I am 10 hours away from the area I dont get to do that anymore. But I have been at this site longer than you know.

First off, read the forum rules. Start with rule #1.

Second of all, I'm guessing the reason you made this dupe account is because you've already been banned for trolling.

Bandwagoner ... Troll ... same difference.

and everyone here can talk all they want about band wagon fans. I promise anyone here that I could school you on your own team. And I am not talking about who can come up with the most pointless facts or stats from 10 years ago. I told a couple skin fans that I know during the pre season why the skins would suck this year and those reasons are exactly why they suck this year. I could honestly solve about 90% of the problems the skins have but since i am a Cowboys fan i cant be right or make sense.

Lastly, and it's amazing to me how many fans don't realize this, but the fact that your team is doing well (or your rival is doing poorly) does not suddenly make you smarter. It simply means the team you root for is doing well. Enjoy it, but try not to project their success onto your own shoulders. I promise you noone is impressed with you save you.

[kevin11]

Since I've joined this site in May of '05, there have been consistent Cowboys posters whether winning or losing including myself. Skins fans are obsessed with the Cowboys and ALWAYS talking smack just like you're doing now at 4-8. It's too difficult to stay away.

HEY!, We have room to talk smack, We beat you 22-19, so we can talk...If you sweeped us, we wouldn't even been talking...But, you guys killed us 27-10, so it goes hand-in-hand.

[Plane Thrower]

HEY!, We have room to talk smack, We beat you 22-19, so we can talk...If you sweeped us, we wouldn't even been talking...But, you guys killed us 27-10, so it goes hand-in-hand.
Hardly. If the Cowboys would have swept the Skins (which should have rightfully happened, and you know it) you guys would be screaming "Well at least we won a playoff game last year!!"... of course the response would be "Well Dallas has 5 Super Bowl trophies", and then your reply would be "We're talking about RIGHT NOW, er, I mean, LAST YEAR!!"... and no one wins.

[Fred Jones]

Hardly. If the Cowboys would have swept the Skins (which should have rightfully happened, and you know it) you guys would be screaming "Well at least we won a playoff game last year!!"... of course the response would be "Well Dallas has 5 Super Bowl trophies", and then your reply would be "We're talking about RIGHT NOW, er, I mean, LAST YEAR!!"... and no one wins.


I guess I haven't said it in a couple of days, but I just hate puke fans.

[tr1]

I guess I haven't said it in a couple of days, but I just hate puke fans.

I'm with you...let's hope they lose tonight so their fans disappear...it happened last year.

[kevin11]

Hardly. If the Cowboys would have swept the Skins (which should have rightfully happened, and you know it)

Wait, we beat you guys fairly..The cowboys were a ****ty team and they had problems(like penalties), but then they picked it up against every team from then on. And, Plane thrower, why should have you guys won? The game was tied and even if there wasn't that facemask, we would've had an OT to decide the game. Maybe, if you weren't so bias, you'd realized that there were some bad calls both ways..Like the holding calls, on the first TD that even Troy admitted.

[Riggo#44]

Sure is quiet in here today...I wonder why? Where are all the tried-and-true Cowboys fans you know the ones that have been fans for life*

*life initiated circa 1993.

[FedExFielder]

Wait, we beat you guys fairly..The cowboys were a ****ty team and they had problems(like penalties), but then they picked it up against every team from then on. And, Plane thrower, why should have you guys won? The game was tied and even if there wasn't that facemask, we would've had an OT to decide the game. Maybe, if you weren't so bias, you'd realized that there were some bad calls both ways..Like the holding calls, on the first TD that even Troy admitted.

Don't forget the fact that we missed a Field Goal to win first, then got another chance on a fair block and return

[Skins4481]

Sure is quiet in here today...I wonder why? Where are all the tried-and-true Cowboys fans you know the ones that have been fans for life*

*life initiated circa 1993.


good question.

[Skins4481]

so its agreed, we all take Romo over JC

Uhmmm...how 'bout no, troll?

[twenty-eight]

Sure is quiet in here today...I wonder why? Where are all the tried-and-true Cowboys fans you know the ones that have been fans for life*

*life initiated circa 1993.


:laugh::laugh::laugh:


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[Terence Newman 41]

Well one of us is still here :)

[Riggo#44]

Well one of us is still here :)

...and I respect that. The rest are hiding again, probably pulling out their powder-blue Tomlinson jersey pretending to be a life-long charger fan.

[Terence Newman 41]

...and I respect that. The rest are hiding again, probably pulling out their powder-blue Tomlinson jersey pretending to be a life-long charger fan.

:laugh: Wouldn't doubt it man. :doh:

[Plane Thrower]

Nope... I'm still here too. Romo was due for a bad game, just never thought it would be this bad.

[Riggo#44]

Nope... I'm still here too. Romo was due for a bad game, just never thought it would be this bad.

Yeah he's had 2 in a row.