1 Pick Left To Go : Eagles Sign 2nd Rd Pick Justice

[Number5]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9558901



PHILADELPHIA -- Second-round draft pick Winston Justice signed a four-year contract with the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday, leaving only their first-round pick unsigned heading into training camp.

[The-Rock]

WHY AER ALL THEESE EAGLES FANS POSTING ON EXTREEM SKINS? I MEAN WE DONT WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE EAGLES FROMT HE EAGLES FANS ON THE REDSKIN FORUM!!!

There now that I have covered the "I dont know what im talking about because im a Stadium-going homer with under 100 posts that accidentially wandered into the around the NFL forum" post, Justice could be a good player in the future I was shocked he fell out of the first round actually...who is the 1 FA left for Philly to sign?

[The-Rock]

Double post by accident, for those of you who dont get my first post I can put on the [Sarcasm] tags so you dont get confused ;)

[Maggio]

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9558901



PHILADELPHIA -- Second-round draft pick Winston Justice signed a four-year contract with the Philadelphia Eagles on Monday, leaving only their first-round pick unsigned heading into training camp.

Yup, you guys have one more to sign until Thursday...Why do you guys start camp so early anyways?

[Number5]

Yup, you guys have one more to sign until Thursday...Why do you guys start camp so early anyways?


To answer Rock....Bunkley has yet to sign..but is expected before Thursday.

To answer Maggio.....it's because they play the HOF Game against Oakland.

[Number5]

Some outside thoughts about the team as well......

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=51185


John Clayton says....

"The Eagles are a playoff-caliber team in a division that has four playoff-caliber teams. I have to think that Donovan McNabb, who I still think is the best quarterback in the NFC, obviously gives hope, and now the question is whether the receivers can come through enough to at least get them past the Redskins, or get them past the Cowboys. "

[TerpsEagles]

Rock ~ good stuff man.

Also, I didn't want to start another Eagles thread here, but they also made an extension offer to Dawkins. From what I read it's in the neighborhood of ~4 mill for the next 2 years, maybe 3 mill guaranteed... SB of 1.5 ... don't quote me on any of that...

I would have liked to see it a bit higher, but I think it's a starting point considering his age and the deal that Lawyer M. got. I hope that they will sweeten that for #20 if he requests. That will keep him under contract through '08 and prob. allow him to retire an Eagle. THat MUST happen.

[AKM311]

Rock ~ good stuff man.

Also, I didn't want to start another Eagles thread here, but they also made an extension offer to Dawkins. From what I read it's in the neighborhood of ~4 mill for the next 2 years, maybe 3 mill guaranteed... SB of 1.5 ... don't quote me on any of that...

I would have liked to see it a bit higher, but I think it's a starting point considering his age and the deal that Lawyer M. got. I hope that they will sweeten that for #20 if he requests. That will keep him under contract through '08 and prob. allow him to retire an Eagle. THat MUST happen.

2 years 4 mil? Thats ridiculousy low for Dawkins. He has been the heart and soul of your defense. Im shocked that they would even do that. That has to piss him off.

[jrockster21]

Some outside thoughts about the team as well......

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=51185


John Clayton says....

"The Eagles are a playoff-caliber team in a division that has four playoff-caliber teams. I have to think that Donovan McNabb, who I still think is the best quarterback in the NFC, obviously gives hope, and now the question is whether the receivers can come through enough to at least get them past the Redskins, or get them past the Cowboys. "

Man I can't wait for this season to show up!!! :)

[jrockster21]

Rock ~ good stuff man.

Also, I didn't want to start another Eagles thread here, but they also made an extension offer to Dawkins. From what I read it's in the neighborhood of ~4 mill for the next 2 years, maybe 3 mill guaranteed... SB of 1.5 ... don't quote me on any of that...

I would have liked to see it a bit higher, but I think it's a starting point considering his age and the deal that Lawyer M. got. I hope that they will sweeten that for #20 if he requests. That will keep him under contract through '08 and prob. allow him to retire an Eagle. THat MUST happen.

Man....seems like they are severely low-balling him. I'd hate to see Dawk's career go the way of Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent's...fade into obscurity on some crappy team. :( He deserves better than that.

[dockeryfan]

Rock ~ good stuff man.

Also, I didn't want to start another Eagles thread here, but they also made an extension offer to Dawkins. From what I read it's in the neighborhood of ~4 mill for the next 2 years, maybe 3 mill guaranteed... SB of 1.5 ... don't quote me on any of that...

I would have liked to see it a bit higher, but I think it's a starting point considering his age and the deal that Lawyer M. got. I hope that they will sweeten that for #20 if he requests. That will keep him under contract through '08 and prob. allow him to retire an Eagle. THat MUST happen.
That offer is only being reported by Eckel right now.
Wasn't Eckel the guy saying LeCharles Bentley was at the Novacare Center RIGHT NOW hammering out a deal?
When it gets reported by another source I'll take it more seriously.
Dawkins deserves more money than Lawyer Milloy BTW.

[tr1]

Seems awfully low....even for the Eagles.

[DWinzit]

Seems awfully low....even for the Eagles.
Actually seems right on, for the eagles!

[tr1]

Oh Gawd! They low balled him, too!

Eagles reportedly offer Dawkins 2 more years
By Bob Brookover
Inquirer Staff Writer

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/15054042.htm

The Eagles, according to a published report, have made Brian Dawkins a two-year offer for a contract extension that would keep the veteran safety with the team through the 2008 season.

Quoting an unidentified source, the Trenton Times said Dawkins is considering a deal that would pay him $4.5 million over two years, including a $2 million signing bonus. Dawkins is in the final year of a deal that he signed in 2003 and is scheduled to make $3 million this season.

The Eagles do not comment on player contracts.

Dawkins, a five-time Pro Bowler, is entering his 11th season with the Eagles and is the longest tenured player on the team. During one of the team's minicamps early last month, Dawkins addressed his contract situation.

"I want to be here and they know that," he said. "When that time comes for us to talk and get those things accomplished, hopefully we will get it ironed out."

Dawkins, who will turn 33 in October, refused to put a number on how many more years he wants to play in the league, but he has also said in the past that he'd love to retire as a member of the Eagles.

"I'm at 11 years and I feel great," he said. "So I can't put a number on it. I really can't. I'm still running, and I'm still able to get to the ball. I still have a desire to stick my nose in things... and as long as that desire is there... then I'm going to continue to play this game."

In addition to Dawkins, the Eagles will probably have some sort of contract discussions with fellow starting safety Michael Lewis during training camp. Lewis is also on the final year of his contract, a five-year deal he signed as a rookie in 2002, but talks in the past between the two sides have not been fruitful.

The Eagles open training camp Thursday when rookies and selected veterans are scheduled to report to Lehigh University. The team's primary concern between now and then is getting rookies Brodrick Bunkley and Winston Justice signed. The Birds' top two draft picks, they are the Eagles' only remaining unsigned draft picks.

[whitskins]

That is a pretty amazing low ball offer to Dawkins. It sounds like one of those "Well, we tried..." offers that the team uses to cover their tracks when the guy leaves.

[Fred Jones]

In addition to Dawkins, the Eagles will probably have some sort of contract discussions with fellow starting safety Michael Lewis during training camp. Lewis is also on the final year of his contract, a five-year deal he signed as a rookie in 2002, but talks in the past between the two sides have not been fruitful.

Will the Eagles resign Lewis? I think that is the bigger question. Dawkins is on the downside, but Lewis still has many years ahead of him.

[Birdlives]

When have the eagles ever shown their aging veterans any respect in this regard? That Dawkins gets a low offer shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I'm so glad Winston Justice signed.... now we wont have to wait for a long holdout before the donut eating contest between Winston and FatButt Andrews

[Birdlives]

:laugh: I'm so glad Winston Justice signed.... now we wont have to wait for a long holdout before the donut eating contest between Winston and FatButt Andrews:laugh:

[jrockster21]

I'm so glad Winston Justice signed.... now we wont have to wait for a long holdout before the donut eating contest between Winston and FatButt Andrews

Don't forget super fatbutt Max Jean-Gilles....:laugh:

[sableholic]

Good news about Justice, troublesome news about Dawkins. But as mentioned he is getting up there agewise and thats how the Eagles have done it recently. No player is different which is sort of one good thing about how the Eagles are run. They won't overpay and generally it seems they get them back in a year after some other team overpays for them anyways.

[Pocono]

Don't forget super fatbutt Max Jean-Gilles....:laugh:

I think that's who the joking poster meant because Justice is anything but a lardass so Bird earlier you were laughing at something that doesn't make a bit of sense.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10406&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d10406

[jrockster21]

I think that's who the joking poster meant because Justice is anything but a lardass so Bird earlier you were laughing at something that doesn't make a bit of sense.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10406&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d10406


I think your sense of humor needs a tuneup...

[Birdlives]

I think that's who the joking poster meant because Justice is anything but a lardass so Bird earlier you were laughing at something that doesn't make a bit of sense.

:rolleyes:

Whatever makes you feel better pal.





I think your sense of humor needs a tuneup...


He's just mad cause I bagged him while we were arguing about AA.

[Pocono]

:rolleyes:

Whatever makes you feel better pal.

He's just mad cause I bagged him while we were arguing about AA.

Come on Bird. There you were giggling like a schoolgirl who just saw a guy naked for the first time or worse yet like TR1 when he sees an article about the Eagles and instead of being humorous all it did was prove that you and the comic didn't know the difference between Justice and Gilles. It's like making a joke about a fat woman and using Calista Flockhart as the butt of the joke. BTW....To the Rockster....the Rockmeister...Rockapella...I'd send my sense of humor out for a tune-up like you did prior to your ES sign-up date of 11/04 but I'm afraid I'd end up like you and never get it back from the shop.

BUT....if you guys want to know what I think is funny it is fans of a team who only have 2 players on their second large Redskin contract[none longer than that] criticizing the Eagles on how they will pay a S who will be 34 when the extension begins on his 4th Eagle contract. I mean you guys openly appluad Danny boy because his players will never see the final years of their contracts and you find fault with the Eagles who have lived up to their end of the bargain on every contract Dawk has signed. Snyder does treat older players well.......if they are coming from another team[see Barrow Brunell Fauria Collins ect]...You've got only Samuels and Jansen on their second large contract and the Eagles have McNabb Westbrook Pinkston Thomas Runyan Andrews Walker Rayburn Trotter Brown Akers[3rd contract] and Sheppard.

[TerpsEagles]

Anybody here ever actually been involved in a negotiation ? Seriously. You sure don't act like it. The offer is a little low, but it isn't rediculously low. And it's a starting point for, ready for this... n-e-g-o-t-i-a-t-i-o-n-s.

As for the comments about the Eagles lack of respect for aging players.... give me a break.... who is one of the most beloved Skins around here.... a guy that you people cry and whine over every freakin year when the HOF voting comes up. That's right, good 'ol Art Monk. Where did he finish up his career again?

oh, that's right, with the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Birdlives]

Both Pocono and Terpseagles deserve a....

:rolleyes: .....

and nothing more.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[TerpsEagles]

Both Pocono and Terpseagles deserve a....

:rolleyes: .....

and nothing more.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

only if you have no answer to our posts. Which apparently, you don't.

Serioulsy, you all huff and puff and talk about how the Eagles disrespect their aging players, yet can only offer up a freakin smilie when somebody brings up the Skins doing the exact same thing.

I at least expect you to try and spin how Art Monk caught his last pass in the NFL for the Eagles. Broke his arm, but damn if he didn't hold onto the ball. It was for a 1st down no less. How did that make you feel birdlives ?
Monk was named one of the "70 Greatest Redskins", right ?

[AKM311]

only if you have no answer to our posts. Which apparently, you don't.

Serioulsy, you all huff and puff and talk about how the Eagles disrespect their aging players, yet can only offer up a freakin smilie when somebody brings up the Skins doing the exact same thing.

I at least expect you to try and spin how Art Monk caught his last pass in the NFL for the Eagles. Broke his arm, but damn if he didn't hold onto the ball. It was for a 1st down no less. How did that make you feel birdlives ?
Monk was named one of the "70 Greatest Redskins", right ?

Monk was released because we were over the cap like 30 mill that year. We let go of everyone! This is a new age of people. Plus, there is a difference when a new coaching staff comes in. Such as Spurrier letting go of Stephen Davis.

But what will start happening to the Eagles is, players will start thinking to themselves, there is no security there once you hit 29. They won't pay you what your worth and so people will no longer sign long term contracts with you. Everything is a dominio effect in this league, and it will catch up to you. Why do people come to the Skins asking to be signed, because we pay them money they deserve. Did we pay too much for AA? Probably, but if he sucks, were committed to $5mill to him. Thats it! Not the $30mill thats been reported. But if he does well, he will be here for a while and happy.

Dawk is you heart and soul of the defense. Why mess with the one guy EVERYONE respects in the locker room?

And yes I negotiate everyday! You are right, you start low to find middle ground on prices. But guess what? If you knew about negotiations, when you have a LOYAL client and someone who you have a great relationship with, you don't negotiate with them. You create ways to KEEP them happy. Thats the #1 rule in client relationships. Never ruin a relationship over money!

[TerpsEagles]

AKM ~ are you saying that Skins NEVER mess w/ a player that everybody respects. Be real clear here.

[jpgirth]

Come on Bird. There you were giggling like a schoolgirl who just saw a guy naked for the first time or worse yet like TR1 when he sees an article about the Eagles and instead of being humorous all it did was prove that you and the comic didn't know the difference between Justice and Gilles. It's like making a joke about a fat woman and using Calista Flockhart as the butt of the joke. BTW....To the Rockster....the Rockmeister...Rockapella...I'd send my sense of humor out for a tune-up like you did prior to your ES sign-up date of 11/04 but I'm afraid I'd end up like you and never get it back from the shop.

BUT....if you guys want to know what I think is funny it is fans of a team who only have 2 players on their second large Redskin contract[none longer than that] criticizing the Eagles on how they will pay a S who will be 34 when the extension begins on his 4th Eagle contract. I mean you guys openly appluad Danny boy because his players will never see the final years of their contracts and you find fault with the Eagles who have lived up to their end of the bargain on every contract Dawk has signed. Snyder does treat older players well.......if they are coming from another team[see Barrow Brunell Fauria Collins ect]...You've got only Samuels and Jansen on their second large contract and the Eagles have McNabb Westbrook Pinkston Thomas Runyan Andrews Walker Rayburn Trotter Brown Akers[3rd contract] and Sheppard.
Is it Pinnochio?

[Birdlives]

only if you have no answer to our posts. Which apparently, you don't.

Serioulsy, you all huff and puff and talk about how the Eagles disrespect their aging players, yet can only offer up a freakin smilie when somebody brings up the Skins doing the exact same thing.

I at least expect you to try and spin how Art Monk caught his last pass in the NFL for the Eagles. Broke his arm, but damn if he didn't hold onto the ball. It was for a 1st down no less. How did that make you feel birdlives ?
Monk was named one of the "70 Greatest Redskins", right ?

Firstly, you need to check yourself. I was not arguing with you in any way. I am well aware that the Redskins have let go of more than one player. The eagles however are famous for doing it. Don't be so defensive, the eagles ditch aging players all the time. You know it, and I know it. Bringing the Skins into the argument is just avoiding the argument itself. So yeah, all you get from me is a....

:rolleyes:

....because you're trying to pick a fight where there is none.

[TerpsEagles]

Firstly, you need to check yourself. I was not arguing with you in any way. I am well aware that the Redskins have let go of more than one player. The eagles however are famous for doing it. Don't be so defensive, the eagles ditch aging players all the time. You know it, and I know it. Bringing the Skins into the argument is just avoiding the argument itself. So yeah, all you get from me is a....

:rolleyes:

birdlives.... care to list "aging" players the Eagles have "ditched" that have gone on to do ANYTHING w/ their next teams ? Feel free. It'll be a very short list.

Perhaps you haven't seen me post a lot. My post wasn't defensive at all. When I read a post that makes some claim or a generallization that I don't agree with, I challenge that post or give an example of the Almighty Skins doing the exact same thing. You gave me a smilie in response. Great stuff.

So go ahead.... tell me which aging players the Eagles were wrong to release. No fight here man, just some offseason discussion.

[Birdlives]

birdlives.... care to list "aging" players the Eagles have "ditched" that have gone on to do ANYTHING w/ their next teams ? Feel free. It'll be a very short list.

Perhaps you haven't seen me post a lot. My post wasn't defensive at all. When I read a post that makes some claim or a generallization that I don't agree with, I challenge that post or give an example of the Almighty Skins doing the exact same thing. You gave me a smilie in response. Great stuff.

So go ahead.... tell me which aging players the Eagles were wrong to release. No fight here man, just some offseason discussion.

Let's see, I said the offer to Dawkins was typical eagles policy and now you think I'm having a discussion with you. What generalization did I make that was untrue? What was it I claimed again? Oh yeah:

When have the eagles ever shown their aging veterans any respect in this regard? That Dawkins gets a low offer shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

Sorry, but you won't be pulling me in. As for the smiley face, it obviously pissed you off, so...

:silly:

[TerpsEagles]

Let's see, I said the offer to Dawkins was typical eagles policy and now you think I'm having a discussion with you. What generalization did I make that was untrue? What was it I claimed again? Oh yeah:



Where did I say you said anything "untrue". I said I call posts that "I don't agree with"

So forget I mentioned the fact that Art Monk, one of the "70 Greatest Redskins" finished his career in Eagles green.

What examples do you have that the Eagles have never shown their aging veterans any respect ? If you are going to try and fall back on Duce, Taylor, Vincent and the like, than please explain WHY, in your opinion, the Eagles should have kept them.

Pocono gave some great examples that Eagles, in fact, have many many players on their 2nd, 3rd, etc. contracts. You had no response to that either.

And no, the smilie didn't piss me off at all. I've been a member here for several years.... smilies, when used AS an answer, are the first sign that the poster actually has no answer.

It's a message board, people comment on other people's posts all the time....

[jrockster21]

Come on Bird. There you were giggling like a schoolgirl who just saw a guy naked for the first time or worse yet like TR1 when he sees an article about the Eagles and instead of being humorous all it did was prove that you and the comic didn't know the difference between Justice and Gilles. It's like making a joke about a fat woman and using Calista Flockhart as the butt of the joke. BTW....To the Rockster....the Rockmeister...Rockapella...I'd send my sense of humor out for a tune-up like you did prior to your ES sign-up date of 11/04 but I'm afraid I'd end up like you and never get it back from the shop.

Uhhhh....:doh: That was the least funny thing I've ever read.


Anybody here ever actually been involved in a negotiation ? Seriously. You sure don't act like it. The offer is a little low, but it isn't rediculously low. And it's a starting point for, ready for this... n-e-g-o-t-i-a-t-i-o-n-s.

At this point in his career, does Dawk need to be jerked around with negotiations? Just askin'...with 80 go-zillion dollars in cap-room, the Eagles have no incentive not to offer Dawk a fiar contract right off the bat.

[portis&taylor]

who cares? :doh:

[The-Rock]

How do you know they screwed Dawkins? Maybe Dawkins asked for that amount...remember when Darrell Green took a pay cut and restructured so we could have some extra cap room? He could just be a good team player.

[Birdlives]

It's a message board, people comment on other people's posts all the time....

Reading comprehension is your friend. Don't feel free to continue this conversation with yourself.

[tr1]

How do you know they screwed Dawkins? Maybe Dawkins asked for that amount...remember when Darrell Green took a pay cut and restructured so we could have some extra cap room? He could just be a good team player.

Were this true, it would have been a signing announcement....that's hardly the case.

[tr1]

The Eagles take pride in dumping on their star players.

The Eagles' FO and owner want everyone to know that they are more important than the players. They are the Eagles...not the players.

And that's fine.

But that doesn't mean they aren't cheap...

As the little birdie says...cheap...cheap...cheap.

Will some of you Eagles fans please stand up for Dawkins!

[Who Del]

Dawk has gone on record saying he would take less to stay in Philly. So he either knows that Jeffy and Joey were/are going to lowball him or he just really likes Philly.

The track record of players they've let go has been good. No one has done much.. if anything. But to let the leader of your defense for years go is unexcusable. If Dawkins leaves because of Jeff Lurie's cheapskate ways then I'll be ready (more than I already am) to send that ***** walking.

[tr1]

Dawk has gone on record saying he would take less to stay in Philly. So he either knows that Jeffy and Joey were/are going to lowball him or he just really likes Philly.

The track record of players they've let go has been good. No one has done much.. if anything. But to let the leader of your defense for years go is unexcusable. If Dawkins leaves because of Jeff Lurie's cheapskate ways then I'll be ready (more than I already am) to send that ***** walking.

"Less money" is one thing...this offer, if true, is humiliating...I mean really.

[jrockster21]

Dawk has gone on record saying he would take less to stay in Philly. So he either knows that Jeffy and Joey were/are going to lowball him or he just really likes Philly.

The track record of players they've let go has been good. No one has done much.. if anything. But to let the leader of your defense for years go is unexcusable. If Dawkins leaves because of Jeff Lurie's cheapskate ways then I'll be ready (more than I already am) to send that ***** walking.

I think Jim Johnson (like Gregg Williams) is really good at picking players who will excel in his scheme (Gregg tends to find UDFAs because we never have any draft picks :silly: ). So what the Eagles end up with are players who are very successful in the puke green, but when they leave, they aren't as good as their stats would indicate. (see: Trotter, Jeremiah). :laugh:

[bubba9497]

Some outside thoughts about the team as well......

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/homeNewsDetail.jsp?id=51185


John Clayton says....

"The Eagles are a playoff-caliber team in a division that has four playoff-caliber teams. I have to think that Donovan McNabb, who I still think is the best quarterback in the NFC, obviously gives hope, and now the question is whether the receivers can come through enough to at least get them past the Redskins, or get them past the Cowboys. "



I have to disagree with the Great Gazoo on this one

[dockeryfan]

BTW....To the Rockster....the Rockmeister...Rockapella...I'd send my sense of humor out for a tune-up
It's a good idea to send your sense of humor out for a tune up.
Go with that.

[dockeryfan]

birdlives.... care to list "aging" players the Eagles have "ditched" that have gone on to do ANYTHING w/ their next teams ? Feel free.
Derrick Burgess.
OK he's not old, but he finished his 4 year deal, and the Eagles didn't want to "overpay".
Based on his production last year, that was a mistake. It might be a case of hindsight, but there it is.

[Who Del]

I think Jim Johnson (like Gregg Williams) is really good at picking players who will excel in his scheme (Gregg tends to find UDFAs because we never have any draft picks :silly: ). So what the Eagles end up with are players who are very successful in the puke green, but when they leave, they aren't as good as their stats would indicate. (see: Trotter, Jeremiah). :laugh:

Probably true.

But one thing Jim Johnson can't do is pick linebackers to save his life. See: Mark Simoneau, Dhani Jones and any other JV player you can think of we've had on the team.

Oh, Keith Adams and Mike Labinjo.

[Who Del]

Derrick Burgess.
OK he's not old, but he finished his 4 year deal, and the Eagles didn't want to "overpay".
Based on his production last year, that was a mistake. It might be a case of hindsight, but there it is.

The guy was the most injured player other than Correll Buckhalter. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. Won't fault a cheap Eagles management for this one. It seemed like the smart thing to do. He had a great season. Good for him. Lets see if he can do that consistently now.

[dockeryfan]

The guy was the most injured player other than Correll Buckhalter. Good riddance as far as I'm concerned. Won't fault a cheap Eagles management for this one. It seemed like the smart thing to do. He had a great season. Good for him. Lets see if he can do that consistently now.
If you look at past posts, I was OK with letting him go as well.
But it is a case of Management whiffing on this one. The Raiders saw something the Eagles didn't.

[TerpsEagles]

Derrick Burgess.
OK he's not old, but he finished his 4 year deal, and the Eagles didn't want to "overpay".
Based on his production last year, that was a mistake. It might be a case of hindsight, but there it is.

Dock, Burgess doesn't fit birdlives contention and you know it. You yourself have said you agreed w/ the Eagles decision, at the time, to not throw the $$ the Raaaaaiiiiiders did at him.

[dockeryfan]

Personally, I think they would have been a better team if Duce stayed.
Taylor, Vincent, even Mayberry. All could be replaced.
I also think they would have been in better shape if Emmons stuck around. They haven't had a real SAM since.
My gut tells me that the line would have been much better with Simon. Or maybe that was Simon's gut. He didn't look great in 2005, but he would have produced in Philly.
Those are three good examples of players they lost where if they had stayed, the team would have been better.

[AKM311]

AKM ~ are you saying that Skins NEVER mess w/ a player that everybody respects. Be real clear here.

No I didn't say that. But what we have done has also caught up to us with certain players bashing us in the media.

All I am saying is, it will happen to you shortly as well. The difference is, Danny will still pony up money to whoever he feels deserves it.

[bigyim]

Pocono gave some great examples that Eagles, in fact, have many many players on their 2nd, 3rd, etc. contracts. You had no response to that either.


Well, I wouldn't call Trotter a great example of resigning veterans...he was very vocal about the disrespect he felt he got from the Eagles a few years ago.

It DID work out for you, however, as he got overpaid by the Skins, got injured & came back to play for the Eagles at a modest salary.

I wouldn't be as defensive about the whole contract issue, if I were you... the Eagles FO has done quite well with holding to their principles & not overpaying for veteran talent. I would hope for your sake, however, that they come up substantially on the Dawkins offer...they have the cap room and, while he's no youngster, the Defense would be substantially less formidable without him this year.

[jrockster21]

It's a good idea to send your sense of humor out for a tune up.
Go with that.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

See Pocono, now THAT was funny. :laugh:

[Pocono]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

See Pocono, now THAT was funny. :laugh:

Hey I'm a big Dockeryfan fan so I'm not going to give him any grief and if playing straight man for him makes your time in that hellhole of Waikiki Hawaii more bearable I'm willing to do it. I'm mean it must be a horrible place with nothing else to do for the Rockster to spend so much time on here.

I am a big DF-fan but if he's suggesting that the constantly injured Staley and Emmons and the constantly porky Simon would have made a huge difference then he should send his football sense in for a tune-up and should go with that*.


If one can't make up their own humor than the next best move is to steal someone elses.

[TerpsEagles]

"Less money" is one thing...this offer, if true, is humiliating...I mean really.

and as always tr1, you are just so accurate.....especially when it comes to Eagles news. [/sarcasm]

looks like Dawkins isn't as upset as you claim he should be. Sorry.
By the way, don't expect him to sign until probably late October or early November. See any number of threads from last year when WB and I told you repeatedly that it would happen for Westbrook's deal. That's the Eagles M.O. and I would think the two sides will come to a mutual agreement about then. Feel free to bookmark this post if you wish. Though it may happen sooner w/ Dawk.

Eagles Notes | Dawkins confirms talks over contract BETHLEHEM, Pa. - Brian Dawkins confirmed upon his arrival at Lehigh University yesterday that his agent, Jim Steiner, has been talking to the Eagles about a contract extension.

He declined, however, to say what he thought about his initial talks with the Eagles. It was reported that the team offered Dawkins a two-year extension worth $4.5 million, including a $2 million signing bonus.

Dawkins is in the final year of a deal that will pay him $3 million this season.

"We've talked about a contract extension, but as far as numbers, I'm not going to get into that," Dawkins said. "We want to keep the marriage going and we want to come to a common ground and get it done. It was definitely something that I wanted and they wanted also."

Dawkins said he did not think the contract talks would be a distraction because he has been through the process before.

"I know what to expect," he said. "I let Jim handle it."

Dawkins, who will turn 33 in October, declined to say how long he would like the extension to be. He did say that this would not necessarily be his final contract.

"Whatever this extension is, it by no means is going to be the end of my career," Dawkins said. "I'm not going to put a number on how many years I'm going to play."

Dawkins' fellow safety Michael Lewis can be a free agent after this season, but Lewis said he has not had any contract talks with the team since this time last year.

"In a way, you can say it's a little disappointing because of the things I feel I've done for this organization, but at the same time you've got to understand it's a business and things like this happen," Lewis said. "There are no ill feelings."

I'm sure you'll find something to read in between the lines though.... have fun little buddy.

[eagles78]

I'm so glad Winston Justice signed.... now we wont have to wait for a long holdout before the donut eating contest between Winston and FatButt Andrews
pic # 9



http://inquirer.philly.com/slideshows/Sports/060724Eagles/:shhh:

[tr1]

Eagles dick Westbrook around, Eagles dick Runyan around, Eagles dick Dawkins around, Eagles dick TO around...uh, oops, TO dicks Eagles around.

[TerpsEagles]

Eagles dick Westbrook around, Eagles dick Runyan around, Eagles dick Dawkins around, Eagles dick TO around...uh, oops, TO dicks Eagles around.

Westbrook
Runyan
Dawkins

hmmmm, all CURRENT Eagles. Who WANTED to stay.... otherwise, they wouldn't have SIGNED a contract and would have gone elsewhere.

try again buddy

[dockeryfan]

pic # 9



http://inquirer.philly.com/slideshows/Sports/060724Eagles/:shhh:
Andrews must have taken cheeseburger out of his vocabulary.

[tr1]

Westbrook
Runyan
Dawkins

hmmmm, all CURRENT Eagles. Who WANTED to stay.... otherwise, they wouldn't have SIGNED a contract and would have gone elsewhere.

try again buddy

Westbrook had his bags packed...only TO's tantrums kept him an Eagles. Runyan made a promise to his family...and the Eagles still dicked him around...and Dawkins...well, it ain't over til it's over is it?

The Eagles' FO loves to show their players' who the boss is...very sad.

[TerpsEagles]

Westbrook had his bags packed...only TO's tantrums kept him an Eagles. Runyan made a promise to his family...and the Eagles still dicked him around...and Dawkins...well, it ain't over til it's over is it?

The Eagles' FO loves to show their players' who the boss is...very sad.

Art Monk caught his last pass in the NFL.... a Hall of Fame career according to about 99% around here.. in Eagles green.

It was for a first down. I remember the game. Do you ?

See, all your "hypotheticals" about bags packed and family promises, well, they're just that... hypotheticals.

Mine, 'eh, I have hard evidence and photographic and historic proof.

So Sad. So sad indeed.

I have a picture of Monk in his Eagles jersey... should I post it ?
Remind me again... wasn't Art Monk named one of the .... ready for this... "70 Greatest Redskins" ?

Damn tr1, wasn't Brian Mitchell on that list too... damn, he did some GREAT work for the Eagles.... I sure as heck have a pic of BMitch in Eagles green..

SO freakin' nice of the Skins to send their best up I95. David Akers thanks you to this day...

[Who Del]

TE post that pic of Monk in Kelly Green. I'd love to see that.

[TerpsEagles]

I'm off tomorrow my friend... I will go through the collectibles and scan it... you ask.. you will receive...

[Who Del]

I'm off tomorrow my friend... I will go through the collectibles and scan it... you ask.. you will receive...

Sweeeet!! Can't wait to see that. I bet ES can't either.

:)

[TerpsEagles]

Sweeeet!! Can't wait to see that. I bet ES can't either.

:)

Well.. I'm not one to disappoint my friends.....

tr1, enjoy... brother.

buuuut instead of a pic.... how about some good 'ol fashioned VIDEO...

Art Monk --------->>>>>>> EAGLE (http://www.eaglesendzone.com/download/Eagles Video Clips/1995 Season/4th-n-One - 13. Peete Hits Art Monk Who Fights For Yards.wmv)

Got to love the line: "That's while we'll be seeing him in the HOF 5 years after the day he retires."

tr1, what's better... that line ? Or the voice of the E-A-G-L-E-S, .. Merrill Reese announcing Art Monk's consecutive game streak continuing....

[TerpsEagles]

One of the "70 Greatest Redskins"....

and by the way... if you don't like my posts... by ALL MEANS.. put me on
I-G-N-O-R-E

[Who Del]

The video is nice but we need that picture!!!

[TerpsEagles]

Post deleted by me.

TE

[TerpsEagles]

my drunk ass is going to bed...

delete and edit by TE..... sorry if I offended anybody

[Who Del]

TerpEagles made fun of me. WTF.

[TerpsEagles]

TerpEagles made fun of me. WTF.

Please accept my apologies Who Del. And also please accept my apologies to the regs around here.

I posted after going out and celebrating something.... and I learned long ago that alcohol, the internet, and NFC East trash talk.... do not a friendly combo make.

I've edited my posts and toned them down. Way down.

Sorry guys. That wasn't my style.

[tr1]

Nice. Come to ES and talk trash about Monk...very nice.

Classy.

[Number5]

Nice. Come to ES and talk trash about Monk...very nice.

Classy.


You just mad cause he chumped you......see, in the Around The NFL forum....with the exception of people's personal lives and they mommas, I believe that nothing is truely out of the realm of trash talk.

You better than anyone else should know this because not a day goes by that you don't trash talk about the Eagles....and to make matters worse, one of your greatest Redskins, played for the Eagles....and we have video of him doing it...... :laugh: :laugh:


Drunk or not drunk...got work TE!

Hit my PM, we gotta finish jrock reviews....

[dockeryfan]

and to make matters worse, one of your greatest Redskins, played for the Eagles....and we have video of him doing it...... :laugh: :laugh:

It's a great effort by Monk. We need to post more of these on youtube etc and get people to remember his play. He won't be promoting himself.

As an aside, I really like M Reese. He's got an old school sound that's just great on radio. Plus, he knows what he's talking about more than most.

And as for Monk playing as an Eagle, meh.
That list of Redskins-Eagles is as long as my...
Well it's long.
Sonny J
Mark Moseley
David Akers
B Mitchell
Mark Rypien
Woodchoppa
ND Kalu

the list goes on and on

[TerpsEagles]

Nice. Come to ES and talk trash about Monk...very nice.

Classy.

um... I didn't talk any trash about Monk. The trash talk was at you little buddy. And I had the "Class" to come back and delete it, very early this morning, before it got quoted and was then part of the public domain. You see, even as an Eagles fan, I remember how this board used to be. I joined when there were less then 2,500 people here. You didn't have people like yourself that posted for the sole purpose of getting a reation from others. Usually you try for a negative reaction. You should be proud. And if there was a poster that did that, they were quickly weeded out by the regs and mods around here. Now forwhatever reason they seem to have given you free reign... so that's fine. You amuse me. You do enough to make yourself look foolish but from time to time I'll be more than happy to jump right in and help you look even more foolish. It's fun and if I do say so myself, I'm really pretty good at it. :D

I'll bet you anything that those on this board that remember the way it used to be, just wish you would stop w/ that posting style. That would be my guess.

You want to talk football, great. But you incite a fan base, and you'll get what you're after. Attention. Did you not get enough as a child ?

I've treated ES w/ more class than you my friend. You are a troll on your own board.

[TerpsEagles]

And as for Monk playing as an Eagle, meh.
That list of Redskins-Eagles is as long as my...
Well it's long.
Sonny J
Mark Moseley
David Akers
B Mitchell
Mark Rypien
Woodchoppa
ND Kalu

the list goes on and on

winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Tell that your fellow fan tr1... in his mind it's only the big bad cheap nasty Iggles that let players go. Those meanies.

(And Monk always made great effort, but help me out here, did he break Harod Carmichael's consecutive game w/ a catch streak... or did Steve Largent also break it briefly, then Monk broke that ? I'm a little fuzzy on that ?)

[tr1]

You just mad cause he chumped you......see, in the Around The NFL forum....with the exception of people's personal lives and they mommas, I believe that nothing is truely out of the realm of trash talk.

You better than anyone else should know this because not a day goes by that you don't trash talk about the Eagles....and to make matters worse, one of your greatest Redskins, played for the Eagles....and we have video of him doing it...... :laugh: :laugh:


Drunk or not drunk...got work TE!

Hit my PM, we gotta finish jrock reviews....

And as always, a classic reply by #4....thanks for your input.

Hey, I guess I shouldn't get bothered by Eagles fans talking trash about one of our greatest players on a Redskins' board. :doh:

This stuff is nothing short of trolling...

If I posted what I post here on an Eagles' board, yeah, I'd be a troll...but, I like to give you guys a reality check...much as you dislike it.

But, hey, give me your best shots....'cause I love you guys...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

I've treated ES w/ more class than you my friend. You are a troll on your own board.

Now, let me ask you...did you write this when you were drinking or sober?

Just askin'

And, I love you, man. I'll try to give you some love every day.

[Number5]

And as always, a classic reply by #4....thanks for your input.

Hey, I guess I shouldn't get bothered by Eagles fans talking trash about one of our greatest players on a Redskins' board. :doh:

This stuff is nothing short of trolling...

If I posted what I post here on an Eagles' board, yeah, I'd be a troll...but, I like to give you guys a reality check...much as you dislike it.

But, hey, give me your best shots....'cause I love you guys...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Dude get the f**k off your high horse! Monk was great....and he also played for the Eagles as well so don't give me your "Cry For Me Argentina" speech, it belittles you! Really it does.


And you talk more sh*t up here than most people do so you really need to can your trap and take it like a man! And if you've ever been on the EMB in the AROUND THE NFL section...that is the norm!


P.S.....for all of your trash talk about McNabb and his "problems" for someone to say something about Monk and for you to get a "tampon-ey" (if there was such a word) shows that you can dish out the trash talk, but not take it......kinda like T.O....


That's it, your new name is T.O.1 because you can talk about everyone else, but when someone gets in your grill and talks about you, it's a "personal attack"...... :doh:

[tr1]

Dude get the f**k off your high horse! Monk was great....and he also played for the Eagles as well so don't give me your "Cry For Me Argentina" speech, it belittles you! Really it does.


And you talk more sh*t up here than most people do so you really need to can your trap and take it like a man! And if you've ever been on the EMB in the AROUND THE NFL section...that is the norm!


P.S.....for all of your trash talk about McNabb and his "problems" for someone to say something about Monk and for you to get a "tampon-ey" (if there was such a word) shows that you can dish out the trash talk, but not take it......kinda like T.O....


That's it, your new name is T.O.1 because you can talk about everyone else, but when someone gets in your grill and talks about you, it's a "personal attack"...... :doh:

Let...me...type...a...bit...slower.

Consider where you are.

[Who Del]

I ain't mad at you TE. I thought it was funny.

:D

[tr1]

If anyone has any information on the where abouts of this individual, you are asked to immediately notify the Eagles.

http://www.the700level.com/images/bunkley_gal_060429.jpg

[Who Del]

If anyone has any information on the where abouts of this individual, you are asked to immediately notify the Eagles.

http://www.the700level.com/images/bunkley_gal_060429.jpg

Didn't know you were watching WB's stuff while he was in Iraq.

just jokes!!!

[TerpsEagles]

And as always, a classic reply by #4....thanks for your input.

Hey, I guess I shouldn't get bothered by Eagles fans talking trash about one of our greatest players on a Redskins' board. :doh:

This stuff is nothing short of trolling...


I did nothing but commend Art Monk. Always have. I went to his football camp as a kid. Have an autographed pic of him in my bar. He was an Eagle for a year. I have nothing but respect for the man.

You came to this board AFTER I had deleted some ish I wrote directly at you. Don't get this confused. You saw the edit and made a big, and wrong, assumption. Not a surprise.

tr1, do you understand me right now ? I trashed talk YOU. Not Art Monk. Again, do you understand that ?

Unless you can post anything that I said that can be even remotely considered trash talk towards Monk, then zip it.

I think you truly are having a lot of trouble keeping up w/ your own shyt you post out here.

tr1, you are 50 year old, grown man... and yet you have the posting style/tactics and comprehension of 16 year old. You've become nothing but a charicature of yourself here. Good stuff. Be proud.

[tr1]

I did nothing but commend Art Monk. Always have. I went to his football camp as a kid. Have an autographed pic of him in my bar. He was an Eagle for a year. I have nothing but respect for the man.

You came to this board AFTER I had deleted some ish I wrote directly at you. Don't get this confused. You saw the edit and made a big, and wrong, assumption. Not a surprise.

tr1, do you understand me right now ? I trashed talk YOU. Not Art Monk. Again, do you understand that ?

Unless you can post anything that I said that can be even remotely considered trash talk towards Monk, then zip it.

I think you truly are having a lot of trouble keeping up w/ your own shyt you post out here.


TE, back off. If you don't like what I post, just ignore it.

I'm glad I didn't see your posts...probably better that way...I tend to skip over yours anyway.

Now, how many missed days of practice does it take for one to be considered a holdout?

[Number5]

Let...me...type...a...bit...slower.

Consider where you are.


Let...me...type...even...slower...


I know where I'm at. And so does everyone else. Matter of fact, I'd be willing to say that a silent MAJORITY of this forum is sick of you.

Is it that you think that because your are a Redskins fan on a Redskins site that rules only apply to you and no one else, even fellow Redskins fans?

You remind me of the guy in your office who tries to make friends by saying the opposite of whatever everyone else says. Then on Friday nights instead of going drinking with his buddies, he sits at home and watch Star Trek re-runs....dude, you are so patheitic that you can't even admit it cause you'd hurt your own feelings. Damn T.O.1, stop blaming everyone else and start excepting things like the rest of the human race does. :2cents:

[tr1]

Let...me...type...even...slower...


I know where I'm at. And so does everyone else. Matter of fact, I'd be willing to say that a silent MAJORITY of this forum is sick of you.

Is it that you think that because your are a Redskins fan on a Redskins site that rules only apply to you and no one else, even fellow Redskins fans?

You remind me of the guy in your office who tries to make friends by saying the opposite of whatever everyone else says. Then on Friday nights instead of going drinking with his buddies, he sits at home and watch Star Trek re-runs....dude, you are so patheitic that you can't even admit it cause you'd hurt your own feelings. Damn T.O.1, stop blaming everyone else and start excepting things like the rest of the human race does. :2cents:


Number 5, I'm flattered that you've taken time out to address me personally, as have many of your Eagles fans friends. I know you've started call-out threads about me in the past and I'm glad you've stopped doing that.

My only 'beef' with Eagles fans who post on this board, is their penchant for bravado, inaccuracies and general disregard for the place they are.

Most of my posts are sarcastic and sardonic...perhaps you've missed their intent. If they incite, please, just disregard. I'm not here to piss anyone off.

And frankly, I could care less what you think of me.

Just ignore my posts...really. It's easy to do.

Now let's talk football.

Since this is about Eagles' signings, is Bunkley an official holdout?

[Taylor21_INT_4_TD]

justice is a thug

[eagles78]

justice is a thug:laugh: Yeah, he sure is.......:rolleyes:


Now Sean Taylor on the other hand.........

[dockeryfan]

(And Monk always made great effort, but help me out here, did he break Harod Carmichael's consecutive game w/ a catch streak... or did Steve Largent also break it briefly, then Monk broke that ? I'm a little fuzzy on that ?)
Largent broke Carmichaels record of 127 in 1986, I believe.
Monk started his streak in 1983, so it would have been a number of years for him to get up to 127.

Largent's streak always overshadowed Monks. Largent kept his going until 1989.
Monk ended up breaking Largent's record as a Jet in 1994 and he kept it going until he retired as an Eagle, finishing with 183, which is amazing.

Rice bested them both in 1998 and kept it going for almost another hundred games :notworthy to end at 274 consecutive.

It was uneventful for a lot of people which was a little sad. Kind of like Ellard going over 10000 while he was here. Or Bruce Smith breaking the sack record. Actually that one I didn't care about at all. I hated Bruce Smith when he was here. Selfish.

[zEnder1241z]

Number 5, I'm flattered that you've taken time out to address me personally, as have many of your Eagles fans friends. I know you've started call-out threads about me in the past and I'm glad you've stopped doing that.

My only 'beef' with Eagles fans who post on this board, is their penchant for bravado, inaccuracies and general disregard for the place they are.

Most of my posts are sarcastic and sardonic...perhaps you've missed their intent. If they incite, please, just disregard. I'm not here to piss anyone off.

And frankly, I could care less what you think of me.

Just ignore my posts...really. It's easy to do.

Now let's talk football.

Since this is about Eagles' signings, is Bunkley an official holdout?

See, the thing is, if the Eagles had started their TC when all the other teams do, I don't think he'd miss that much time. I expect him to be signed in the next 3-4 days, hopefully.

[TerpsEagles]

Thanks Dockery. Appreciate the info.

[TerpsEagles]

Now, how many missed days of practice does it take for one to be considered a holdout?

Why do you keep bringing this up ? We're just fans. We have no control over any situation. The guy isn't signed and now has more questions about him. What is it you expect ?

He'll play eventually. You better hope he holds out until at least Nov. 13th. Karma's a real funny thing sometimes.... and while I don't wish injury on any player from any team, it would sure be a funny turn around to see Bunkley have a career day vs. the Skins. Crazier things have happened.

BTW ~ as always, you skip real football questions posed to you. But since your new Eagles hard on is Bunkley's status, remind me again how Corey Simon's hold out his rookie year affected his play on the field ? 38 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles.... yup, a hold out by a DT must mean a wasted rookie year.

tr1, what is it like to follow a team that has never had a hold out ? Oh... what's that.... The Washington Redskins have had players hold out also ? Can't be.. ... can it ?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Largent broke Carmichaels record of 127 in 1986, I believe.
Monk started his streak in 1983, so it would have been a number of years for him to get up to 127.

Largent's streak always overshadowed Monks. Largent kept his going until 1989.
Monk ended up breaking Largent's record as a Jet in 1994 and he kept it going until he retired as an Eagle, finishing with 183, which is amazing.

Rice bested them both in 1998 and kept it going for almost another hundred games :notworthy to end at 274 consecutive.

It was uneventful for a lot of people which was a little sad. Kind of like Ellard going over 10000 while he was here. Or Bruce Smith breaking the sack record. Actually that one I didn't care about at all. I hated Bruce Smith when he was here. Selfish.

didn't monk break that record on a monday night football game at rfk?

[GSF]

I think most of the moves the Iggles have made letting players like Vincent, Duce, Taylor have turned out to be good moves. These moves just seem shocking b/c these guys were all popular with the fans. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Dawkins wound up playing somewhere else, like maybe KC. I didn't really follow the Eagles draft, but I assume they have already drafted his replacement.

The one guy I was really surprised they didn't keep around was Simon. He made a big impact on that Indy defense, and the Eagles seemed to miss him last year.

[dockeryfan]

didn't monk break that record on a monday night football game at rfk?
Jets @ Patriots
12/4/94
Ties record with 177 games

Jets vs. Lions
12/10/94
Monk breaks Largent's record with 178 straight games

http://nflhistory.net/linescores/pdf/1994.pdf