WorldNetDaily: Where are the Christians? (Pat Buchanan on Israel/Lebanon)

[Destino]

When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed.

First came capitulation on the Bush Doctrine, as Pyongyang and Tehran defied Bush's dictum: The world's worst regimes will not be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Then came suspension of the democracy crusade as Islamic militants exploited free elections to advance to power and office in Egypt, Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq and Iran.

Now, Israel's rampage against a defenseless Lebanon – smashing airport runways, fuel tanks, power plants, gas stations, lighthouses, bridges, roads and the occasional refugee convoy – has exposed Bush's folly in subcontracting U.S. policy out to Tel Aviv, thus making Israel the custodian of our reputation and interests in the Middle East.

The Lebanon that Israel, with Bush's blessing, is smashing up has a pro-American government, heretofore considered a shining example of his democracy crusade. Yet, asked in St. Petersburg if he would urge Israel to use restraint in its airstrikes, Bush sounded less like the leader of the Free World than some bellicose city councilman from Brooklyn Heights.

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[bird_1972]

Pretty interesting article. He raises some good points. Even if it is Pat Buchanan.

[70th Week]

I believe all policy is out the window when it comes to Israel.Let them do what they please.they have a sort of "get out of jail free" card with us as well they should.

[Kilmer17]

It's full of half truths, innaccuracies and outright lies.

Starting with the first sentence.

"When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed."

He didnt accuse Lebanon of an act of war, he accused (correctly) Hezbollah.

And another snipet-

To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

That wasnt a puishment, it was acting on Israeli rules not to give money to ANY terrorist organization.

Buchanan hates Israel. I wont go as far as calling him an Anti-Semite as others are doing, because I dont think that's the case at all. He's an Isolationist to the core. And sees the money we send to Israel and goes bonkers.

[Destino]

It's full of half truths, innaccuracies and outright lies.

Starting with the first sentence.

"When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed."

He didnt accuse Lebanon of an act of war, he accused (correctly) Hezbollah.

And another snipet-

To punish these people for the crime of electing Hamas, Olmert imposed an economic blockade of Gaza and the West Bank and withheld the $50 million in monthly tax and customs receipts due the Palestinians.

That wasnt a puishment, it was acting on Israeli rules not to give money to ANY terrorist organization.

Buchanan hates Israel. I wont go as far as calling him an Anti-Semite as others are doing, because I dont think that's the case at all. He's an Isolationist to the core. And sees the money we send to Israel and goes bonkers.I think you are splitting hairs in both of those examples Kilmer. I do however agree with your conclusion that old Pat is an isolationist but I don't think it's the money that concerns him as much as his perception that Israel has too much influence on what we do in the middle east.

The interesting part of that article IMO was that a fairly level headed American was pointing out specific actions Israel is taking to make life hard for civilians and contrasting it with how the US does things. I'm not sure what to make of it but it is an interesting point.

[gchwood]

All I gotta say is Hezzbolah brought this on their country, they kidnapped a couple of Israelli soldiers. Israel has the best intelligence program in the world I am sure that they can make Hezzbolah sorry for screwing with them.

[Kilmer17]

I agree it's interesting, but Israel isnt the US. They have a different way of doing things (Stemming from living in a constant state of war with murderous thugs who blow up buses of children for decades).

There's a reason Muslim terrorists would rather be captured by US forces than Israeli forces. We'll give them 3 squares and a pillow. Israel will give them 100 volts and needles.

Israel gets it. They understand the threat in the world and arent afraid to confront it head on. I think they've show remakable restraint to be as specific and tactical as they have been thus far.

[Destino]

Israel gets it. They understand the threat in the world and arent afraid to confront it head on. I think they've show remakable restraint to be as specific and tactical as they have been thus far.
I wouldn't say anyone in a decades long state of perpetual war "gets it". Not blaming Israel for it but results are what they are.

[bird_1972]

I think you are splitting hairs in both of those examples Kilmer. I do however agree with your conclusion that old Pat is an isolationist but I don't think it's the money that concerns him as much as his perception that Israel has too much influence on what we do in the middle east.

The interesting part of that article IMO was that a fairly level headed American was pointing out specific actions Israel is taking to make life hard for civilians and contrasting it with how the US does things. I'm not sure what to make of it but it is an interesting point.
That's how I read it.

[CrabR]

I believe all policy is out the window when it comes to Israel.Let them do what they please.they have a sort of "get out of jail free" card with us as well they should.

Why do they get a "get out of jail free" card , why should they get special consideration ?

Are yolu saying Israel can do anything they want and not pay the piper ?

[Kilmer17]

This what happens.

Muslim terrorists throw rocks at Israelis for months. Israel uses guns to make them stop. The Muslim terrorists call for a cease fire. Then cry that the "dirty jews" arent playing fair.

Then they use guns and bombs to attack innocent Iraelis. So Israel responds with bulldozers and tanks to destroy the terrrorists camps. The Muslim Terrorists call for a cease fire. Then complain that the "dirty jews" arent playing fair.

Then the Muslim terrorists use rockets and artillery to attack innocent Israelis and kidnap people. So ISrael responds with warships, airstrikes and incursions. The Muslim terrorists call for a cease fire and complain that the Jews arent fighting fair or the PC media word "proportionately".

See the pattern emerging? Think it will stop if Israel stops and agrees to a cease fire this time?

Israel doesnt have to pay the piper. They've already paid that bill thousands of times over.

[70th Week]

Why do they get a "get out of jail free" card , why should they get special consideration ?

Are yolu saying Israel can do anything they want and not pay the piper ?


um,yes. ;) they are sick and tired of U.N. resolutions that gets ignored and proposals that get swept under the red tape.The idiots in this country
bash them for destroying civilian sites like airports but all they are doing is making sure Hezbollah doesnt leave the country or more get in Lebanon.It may suck for Lebanon but that is the steps they are taking to ensure the safety of thieir country,like it or not.Israel is tired of talk and half-measures so let them do what they need to do like Bush is doing.

[Prosperity]

Israel's response was to abduct half of the Palestinian cabinet and parliament and blow up a $50 million U.S.-insured power plant. That cut off electricity for half a million Palestinians. Their food spoiled, their water could not be purified, and their families sweltered in the summer heat of the Gaza desert. One family of seven was wiped out on a beach by what the IDF assures us was an errant artillery shell.

Let it be said: Israel has a right to defend herself, a right to counter-attack against Hezbollah and Hamas, a right to clean out bases from which Katyusha or Qassam rockets are being fired and a right to occupy land from which attacks are mounted on her people.

But what Israel is doing is imposing deliberate suffering on civilians, collective punishment on innocent people, to force them to do something they are powerless to do: disarm the gunmen among them. Such a policy violates international law and comports neither with our values nor our interests. It is un-American and un-Christian.
Buchanon is spot on here.

Collective punishment is nothing new to Israel, and neither are Israel's current problems. They are unethical and they apparantly don't work.

Kilmer is right Israel is NOT America. Thus we shouldn't treat it as if it was a part of America.

[70th Week]

This what happens.

Muslim terrorists throw rocks at Israelis for months. Israel uses guns to make them stop. The Muslim terrorists call for a cease fire. Then cry that the "dirty jews" arent playing fair.

Then they use guns and bombs to attack innocent Iraelis. So Israel responds with bulldozers and tanks to destroy the terrrorists camps. The Muslim Terrorists call for a cease fire. Then complain that the "dirty jews" arent playing fair.

Then the Muslim terrorists use rockets and artillery to attack innocent Israelis and kidnap people. So ISrael responds with warships, airstrikes and incursions. The Muslim terrorists call for a cease fire and complain that the Jews arent fighting fair or the PC media word "proportionately".

See the pattern emerging? Think it will stop if Israel stops and agrees to a cease fire this time?

Israel doesnt have to pay the piper. They've already paid that bill thousands of times over.


well said :) and to add to that,if you disarm Israel(which you wont)you think Hezbollah would stop?would be the next holocaust.... :2cents:

[Buford]

Come on. When there is an attack in Israel. Its usually a bus, or a place where people get together for entertainment. Movies, Club, etc.

Then Israel responds by going after the folks who are basically strapping women and children as vests. That's when they scream foul. Meanwhile, the 1st attack wasn't anything military.

After hundreds of attacks within Israel, compared to how few were military targets. I don't think they could wait anymore.

If Terrorists in Beruit or even Iran want to hid in neighborhoods and hospitals. Then they are cowards and are willing to kill their own people before themselves.

[CurseReversed]

I think you are splitting hairs in both of those examples Kilmer. I do however agree with your conclusion that old Pat is an isolationist but I don't think it's the money that concerns him as much as his perception that Israel has too much influence on what we do in the middle east.

The interesting part of that article IMO was that a fairly level headed American was pointing out specific actions Israel is taking to make life hard for civilians and contrasting it with how the US does things. I'm not sure what to make of it but it is an interesting point.
I dont think hes splitting hairs at all, the first sentence struck me as being the beginning of an ill thought out, barely accurate piece of garbage IMO

[bird_1972]

[i]
I dont think hes splitting hairs at all, the first sentence struck me as being the beginning of an ill thought out, barely accurate piece of garbage IMO
Please elaborate.

[Prosperity]

Come on. When there is an attack in Israel. Its usually a bus, or a place where people get together for entertainment. Movies, Club, etc.

Then Israel responds by going after the folks who are basically strapping women and children as vests. That's when they scream foul. Meanwhile, the 1st attack wasn't anything military.

After hundreds of attacks within Israel, compared to how few were military targets. I don't think they could wait anymore.

If Terrorists in Beruit or even Iran want to hid in neighborhoods and hospitals. Then they are cowards and are willing to kill their own people before themselves.

Sometimes that is the case there are other times when Israel denies housing permits to Muslim or Christian Arabs, then after they are done building the houses they send in the bulldozers and demolish them. Or sometimes things as simple as water are used to punish. Israel takes much water from the westbank either from the river and the ground and allows the Israelis to use 4x as much per person as Palestinians, despite Palestinians being much more reliant on water since their economies are much more based on agriculture while Israel's is more industrial. Often times a settlement is built right next to a Palestinian town, and the villagers can use as much water as they want, even filling up pools and whatever yet the Palestinians a few km's away sometimes don't even get enough to drink.

It isn't all about terrorism, some of it is out of plain old malice.

quick google search:

http://www.bobmay.info/oct102002demolitions.htm
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/water.html
http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=615

[Buford]

Sometimes that is the case there are other times when Israel denies housing permits to Muslim or Christian Arabs, then after they are done building the houses they send in the bulldozers and demolish them. Or sometimes things as simple as water are used to punish. Israel takes much water from the westbank either from the river and the ground and allows the Israelis to use 4x as much per person as Palestinians, despite Palestinians being much more reliant on water since their economies are much more based on agriculture while Israel's is more industrial. Often times a settlement is built right next to a Palestinian town, and the villagers can use as much water as they want, even filling up pools and whatever yet the Palestinians a few km's away sometimes don't even get enough to drink.

It isn't all about terrorism, some of it is out of plain old malice.

quick google search:

http://www.bobmay.info/oct102002demolitions.htm
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/water.html
http://fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node.php?id=615

Look, I can appreciate all the shades of grey on this topic.

But, the bottom line is that Israel is surrounded by enemies who in the past, have attacked them....and lost. Why should the losers get a do over?

If the United States were attacked by our neighbors. You better believe the goal wouldn't be the same boundaries. We'd take a chunk of their turf to push them even further back. That's the price of losing.

[Prosperity]

Look, I can appreciate all the shades of grey on this topic.

But, the bottom line is that Israel is surrounded by enemies who in the past, have attacked them....and lost. Why should the losers get a do over?

If the United States were attacked by our neighbors. You better believe the goal wouldn't be the same boundaries. We'd take a chunk of their turf to push them even further back. That's the price of losing.

My post had nothing to do with territory, it had to do with other people not being treated with some basic level of human dignity.

[Buford]

Which people? The people who attack them now? the people who attacked them in the past?

Do you think Jews could be elected officials in the countries surrounded Israel? How do you think they would be treated when it comes to Human Dignity if they were living in neighbors country?

[Prosperity]

Which people? The people who attack them now? the people who attacked them in the past?

Do you think Jews could be elected officials in the countries surrounded Israel? How do you think they would be treated when it comes to Human Dignity if they were living in neighbors country?

What does any of that have to do with anything I posted? By your logic Israel would be within its right to kill every man woman and child in the West Bank.

Perhaps you weren't so interested in the shades of gray after all.

[Buford]

Perhaps you shouldn't say that about me. Because it would make you look foolish....Perhaps.

Look, yes or no. Does the Palestinian leadership right now wish for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth?

Just a simple yes or no?

Does Hamas want that?

[Prosperity]

Perhaps you shouldn't say that about me. Because it would make you look foolish....Perhaps.

:laugh: Maybe, but then you post this:




Look, yes or no. Does the Palestinian leadership right now wish for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth?

Just a simple yes or no?

Does Hamas want that?

Hamas does not. Fatah did. (recognize Israel)

Now, since you are a fan of these questions.

Do Palestinians deserve adaquate supplies of water. Water from where they live.

Yes/No

Its ok you can admit there have been mistakes on both sides, maybe one has more than the other but no one is innocent.

[Kilmer17]

Do Palestinians deserve adaquate supplies of water. Water from where they live.

No. They dont deserve for ISRAEL to provide that for them. Anymore than the US deserves Canada to provide it for us.

[Buford]

:laugh: Maybe, but then you post this:




Hamas does not. Fatah did. (recognize Israel)

Now, since you are a fan of these questions.

Do Palestinians deserve adaquate supplies of water. Water from where they live.

Yes/No

Its ok you can admit there have been mistakes on both sides, maybe one has more than the other but no one is innocent.

Yes, there have been mistakes on both sides.

Israel's biggest mistake was not defending themselves a lot stronger over the past 50+ years. A lot of these people in surrounding areas have their parents to thank for attacking back when Israel was created. The land was offered to them 1st, and they passed. Then all the sudden they wanted it? You lose to a newly formed nation right away? that's a tough one to accept.

[Prosperity]

No. They dont deserve for ISRAEL to provide that for them. Anymore than the US deserves Canada to provide it for us.

Firstly, that is assuming that Palestinians have their own country doesn't it? Secondly the water supply in that area is very limited. If it is used by settlements (which are almost universally agreed upon to be illegal) then the nearby Palestinians can't use it, regardless of infrastructure, which is often limited by Israeli forces inside the West Bank through walls, road blocks, and off limits areas, etc.

[Prosperity]

Yes, there have been mistakes on both sides.

Israel's biggest mistake was not defending themselves a lot stronger over the past 50+ years. A lot of these people in surrounding areas have their parents to thank for attacking back when Israel was created. The land was offered to them 1st, and they passed. Then all the sudden they wanted it? You lose to a newly formed nation right away? that's a tough one to accept.

Israel's mistake was treating the people it conquered with contempt and malice. How much stronger could they have defended themselves? You want their armies to have gone all the way to Cairo or Damascus? You think that would in anyway shape or form have changed anything for the better today?

[Buford]

If Israel had lost, they wouldn't exist today. That simple.

The folks who attacked them and lost got a much better deal for it.

Believe me. If Israel have offered the Gaza Strip to Egypt so they could work with the Palestinians, and the West Bank to Jordan so they could do the same. Think those countries would want to deal with those folks?

[Prosperity]

If Israel had lost, they wouldn't exist today. That simple.

yes, but that doesn't really have anything to do with what we are talking about.



The folks who attacked them and lost got a much better deal for it.

the nation states did do well for losers, but I doubt a tiny country like Israel could really have handled more territories to occupy anyway. The refugees did not do so well, neither did the people stuck in the West Bank or Gaza.



Believe me. If Israel have offered the Gaza Strip to Egypt so they could work with the Palestinians, and the West Bank to Jordan so they could do the same. Think those countries would want to deal with those folks?

"Deal with those folks" No they are poor refugees now and would be a great burden to their economies. Though I do think Jordan's population is now 60% from Palestinians refugees so they did a lot.

[Buford]

Yeah, Jordan did great, especially with their own series of murdering Palestinians.

I think is reasonable to expect the destruction of Hezbollah right now.

They came into another country, kidnapped people, took them wherever. Then went to hide in South Lebenon behind innocents. Either they are part of their Gov't, or they're not. So, what hasn't their own Gov't done more to return the hostages?

and back to what I said before. This IS all about Israel existing. Its always about that. The Palestinians used to show their children maps of the region without Israel on there. They might still do that today. Hezbollah is believed to have connections to Syria and Iran, both of which aren't pro-any of these people, more than they are Anti-Israel and Anti-United States.

[Bad Man Burgendy & Gold]

Liberty it is wrong if Israel is denying water to Palestians for adequate usage however you miss some points, and this is where those who criticize Israel but will yell not one word at Israeli's surrounding neighbors make a mistake.

When Israel captured what today is Palestian territory after they were initially attacked, it is true that many Palestians had to go into refuge camps.

However what is also true is that not one NOT one of Israel's arab neighbors would accept Palestians into any of their countries, it was just easier for these neighbors to keep these Palestians in the refugee camps as these countries would tell these citizens that it was Israel's fault that they could not let them in.

Thus you have even more anger directed at Israel today, but where is the anger against Syria, Jordan and Lebannon. Also contrary to popular myth, Israel is a country where many Arabs not only live, but live happily, there are even arabs in the Israeli government, but yet you never see any Jews being allowed to hold positions in any arab countries. Not only that but Hezbellah is hurt their own people even inside Israel as a missle killed two arab kids in Israel

[Baculus]

"When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert unleashed his navy and air force on Lebanon, accusing that tiny nation of an "act of war," the last pillar of Bush's Middle East policy collapsed."

He didnt accuse Lebanon of an act of war, he accused (correctly) Hezbollah.

Tha is true, and that is the issue - Israel is bombing Lebanon as if they did declare war on them. And not only that, but they are bombing a nation that is supposedly an American ally, though Bush hasn't said much other than that he hopes they show restraint. And they are bombing a nation that has (or had) tens of thousands, which now have to be evacuated. And this does not mention the thousands of other foreign nationals, including many Westerners (and friends such as Canada) that are having to be evacuated. (I hope the plan to force these evacuated Americans to pay for their own evacuation cost was indeed scrapped.)

Wouldn't we usually react in a different manner if some foreign power were bombing areas where thousands of our fellow citizens were living or staying? And this does not include the Lebanese civilians, who have died in recent events, who were not Hezbollah.

Yes, Israel does receive special treatment. And yes, Israel can defend itself, but to what limits to the deteriment to a nation such as Lebanon, whose sovereignty seems to be trampled by Syria, Hezbollah, AND Israel?

This all better not be for naught, and that Israel actually can accomplish its objectives without ever needing to this again, for the betterment of both Israel and Lebanon.

[Dallsux]

I agree it's interesting, but Israel isnt the US. They have a different way of doing things (Stemming from living in a constant state of war with murderous thugs who blow up buses of children for decades).

There's a reason Muslim terrorists would rather be captured by US forces than Israeli forces. We'll give them 3 squares and a pillow. Israel will give them 100 volts and needles.

Israel gets it. They understand the threat in the world and arent afraid to confront it head on. I think they've show remakable restraint to be as specific and tactical as they have been thus far.


:applause: 100% agreed!

[Ellis]

Buchanan is the type of guy that I read blogs about to keep my opinions grounded. This particular article I read a few days ago. I liked what he had to say, but I don't agree with much of it.

[Dallsux]

Buchanan is the type of guy that I read blogs about to keep my opinions grounded. This particular article I read a few days ago. I liked what he had to say, but I don't agree with much of it.


:whoknows:


What? I'm confused. How can you like what someone says, but not agree with much of it?

[Ellis]

:whoknows:


What? I'm confused. How can you like what someone says, but not agree with much of it?

It's pretty simple... like I said, his opinion and take on things keeps MY opinions grounded.

When he compared Israel invading over 2 kipnapped soldiers and our lack of response to 2 of our soldiers being butchered in Iraq, I didn't agree with it.

For one... Israel was not at war with anyone when their 2 soldiers were kidnapped. Thus an invasion/reaction was necessary. For us however, we wre already at war. So when our soldiers were kidnapped and butchered, we were already there doing things in response. He's compared apples to oranges, so I don't agree with him. For one, they crossed the border and kinapped the Israeli soldiers. And the American soldiers were actively in a war in Iraq. How he can he even compare the two?

Pat also accuses the US of subcontracting the war-on-terror to Israel. Ummmm... no. Israel has been dealing with terrorism much longer than us.

Pat says Israel has the right to defend herself and then criticizes how they do it. ??? There's no right way to have a war. War is war. It's ugly. It's brutal. And civilians die.

I agree with Pat that more people--dems and the news primarily--need to speak up about what's going on. Instead of accusing the president of scandals that end up panning out to nothing, they need to bring up things that are WORTH persuing. Instead, they only seek to bash the president in any way they can. For instance, the conversation with Blair that was accidentally caught on mic is now being speculated that Blair and Bush set it up to be caught. WTF?? AND... now they're accusing Bush of grouping the German chancellor. again, no. So in light of those 2 incidents, the news stations need to talk about bigger issues instead of flavors of the week.

I also agree with Pat that how the US chooses to respond to terrorist threats abroad should be questioned more and perhaps become more thought out. But that's not to say that how we respond is wrong. Is says to me that we need to brainstorm some responses that have long-term affects on the situations occuring in the middle east instead of just bombing the hell out of everything as an "immediate cure" to terror. AND IN LIGHT OF THAT... I'm impressed that the US administration is sitting back and watching events unfold in the Lebanon area instead of immediately getting involved. All the Dems seem to see is the US dragging their feet. But in that same breath, if the US wasn't dragging their feet and had reacted immediately, the Dems would be critical of that too. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Prosperity]

Liberty it is wrong if Israel is denying water to Palestians for adequate usage however you miss some points, and this is where those who criticize Israel but will yell not one word at Israeli's surrounding neighbors make a mistake.

When Israel captured what today is Palestian territory after they were initially attacked, it is true that many Palestians had to go into refuge camps.

However what is also true is that not one NOT one of Israel's arab neighbors would accept Palestians into any of their countries, it was just easier for these neighbors to keep these Palestians in the refugee camps as these countries would tell these citizens that it was Israel's fault that they could not let them in.

Thus you have even more anger directed at Israel today, but where is the anger against Syria, Jordan and Lebannon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugee



* Gaza 923,000 refugees
* Jordan 2,540,000 refugees
* Lebanon 695,000 refugees
* Syria 584,000 refugees
* West Bank 665,000 refugees
* Egypt 70,000 refugees
* Saudi Arabia 240,000


Like I said, Jordan let in a lot (today its population is less than 6 million even with the refugees), Lebanon let in a lot too considering it isn't that large of a country either (pop. < 4 million). But you can't reasonably expect these third world countries to take all of them. Egypt did slack off, as did Saudi Arabia and to a lesser extent Syria. You can call them hypocrites, but Jordan and Lebanon did their part.

Also after these people left, their property was confiscated under the Absentee Property Law. Just because you leave your house during a war doesn't mean you forfeit your right to it. This shows an absolute disregard for property rights and human rights in general. I don't even know if they were compensated (doubt it), but I do know that they aren't allowed back and probably never will be.



Also contrary to popular myth, Israel is a country where many Arabs not only live, but live happily, there are even arabs in the Israeli government, but yet you never see any Jews being allowed to hold positions in any arab countries. Not only that but Hezbellah is hurt their own people even inside Israel as a missle killed two arab kids in Israel

I do know of Arabs in Israel. I don't know much about their condition, but I don't assume it is really bad. I am more concerned with Israel's treatment of the people in the occupied areas.

[Teller]

Hamas = Pro-American. :laugh:

[twa]

Liberty , The Arab nations(other than Jordan) have actively worked to keep the Palestinians seperate to the point of not allowing them to own property,have certain occupations or naturalize as citizens...in short they maintain the problems as a political tool.

The Jews have also suffered persecution and been forced out of Arab lands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

In 1945 there were between 758,000 and 866,000 Jews (see table below) living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,000. In some Arab states, such as Libya (which was once around 3 % Jewish), the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few hundred Jews remain.

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[Prosperity]

Liberty , The Arab nations(other than Jordan) have actively worked to keep the Palestinians seperate to the point of not allowing them to own property,have certain occupations or naturalize as citizens...in short they maintain the problems as a political tool.

I can believe that, but I would prefer a link of some sort



The Jews have also suffered persecution and been forced out of Arab lands.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_lands

In 1945 there were between 758,000 and 866,000 Jews (see table below) living in communities throughout the Arab world. Today, there are fewer than 8,000. In some Arab states, such as Libya (which was once around 3 % Jewish), the Jewish community no longer exists; in other Arab countries, only a few hundred Jews remain.

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From my understanding that all happened around 1948 when Israel was established and around the same time of the Arab exodus from Israel. You aren't going to find me defending Arab barbarism though. I have recognized their crimes.