AP: Israel hints at a full-scale invasion

[heyholetsgogrant]

By HUSSEIN DAKROUB, Associated Press Writer 16 minutes ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli troops met fierce resistance from Hezbollah guerrillas Thursday as they crossed into Lebanon to seek tunnels and weapons for a second straight day, and
Israel hinted at a full-scale invasion. Meanwhile, U.N. Secretary-General
Kofi Annan told the Security Council that "hostilities must stop" between Israel and Hezbollah.
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Israeli warplanes also launched new airstrikes on Beirut's southern suburbs, a Hezbollah stronghold, shortly after daybreak, followed by strikes in the guerrillas' heartland in the south and eastern Bekaa Valley.

The strikes followed bombings Wednesday that killed as many as 70 people, according to Lebanese television, making it the deadliest day since the fighting began July 12.

Annan also condemned Israel's "excessive use of force" against Lebanon.

"There are serious obstacles to reaching a cease-fire or even to diminishing the violence quickly," Annan said.

He added that the fighting had triggered a humanitarian crisis.

Russia sharply criticized Israel over its onslaught against Lebanon, now in its ninth day, sparked when Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers. The Russian Foreign Ministry said Israel's actions have gone "far beyond the boundaries of an anti-terrorist operation" and repeating calls for an immediate cease-fire.

At least 306 people have been killed in Lebanon since the Israeli campaign began, according to the security forces control room that collates casualties. In Israel, 29 people have been killed, including 14 soldiers. The U.N. has said at least a half- million people have been displaced in Lebanon.

About 40 U.S. Marines landed in Beirut to help Americans onto the USS Nashville, which will carry 1,200 evacuees bound for Cyprus in the second mass U.S. exodus from Lebanon. Thousands of Europeans also fled on ships — continuing one of the largest evacuation operations since World War II. An estimated 13,000 foreign nationals have been evacuated.

Israel's series of small ground forays across the border have aimed to push back Hezbollah guerrillas who have continued firing rockets into northern Israel despite more than a week of massive bombardment — raising the question of whether air power alone can suppress them. Guerrillas fired 25 rockets into Israel on Thursday, which caused no casualties.

But the guerrillas have been fighting back hard on the ground, wounding three Israeli soldiers Thursday, a day after killing two. An Israeli unit sent in to ambush Hezbollah guerrillas also had a fierce gunbattle with a cell of militants.

In another clash, just across the border from the Israeli town of Avivim, guerrillas fired a missile at an Israeli tank, seriously wounding one soldier. Hezbollah said its guerrillas destroyed two tanks trying to enter the Lebanese border village of Maroun al-Ras, across from Avivim.

Israel has mainly limited itself to attacks from the air and sea, reluctant to send in ground troops on terrain dominated by Hezbollah.

But an Israeli army spokesman refused to rule out the possibility of a full-scale invasion. Israel broadcast warnings Wednesday into south Lebanon, telling civilians to leave the region — a possible prelude to a larger Israeli ground operation.

"There is a possibility — all our options are open. At the moment, it's a very limited, specific incursion but all options remain open," Capt. Jacob Dallal, an Israeli army spokesman, told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Leaflets dropped Wednesday night warned the population that any trucks traveling in Lebanese towns south of the Litani River would be suspected of carrying weapons and rockets and could be targeted by Israeli forces.

The Lebanese government is under international pressure to deploy troops in the south to rein in Hezbollah guerrillas — but even before the fighting, many considered it too weak to do so without deeply fracturing the country.

An Italian newspaper quoted Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora on Thursday as making his strongest statement yet against the Shiite militant group. But Saniora's office quickly said he was misquoted.

The Milan-based Corriere della Sera quoted him as saying in an interview that Hezbollah has created a "state within a state," adding: "The entire world must help us disarm Hezbollah. But first we need to reach a cease-fire."

Saniora later issued a statement denying the remarks. He said he told the paper the international community must help press Israel from Chebaa Farms, a small border area that Lebanon claims and Hezbollah points to as proof of the continued need for armed resistance.

Saniora told the paper that "the continued presence of Israeli occupation of Lebanese lands in the Chebaa Farms region is what contributes to the presence of Hezbollah weapons. The international community must help us in (getting) an Israeli withdrawal from Chebaa Farms so we can solve the problem of Hezbollah's arms," the statement said. There was no immediate comment from the newspaper.

On Wednesday, Saniora appealed for a cease-fire, saying Lebanon "has been torn to shreds." Warplanes pounded southern areas where Hezbollah operates, but civilian residential neighborhoods bore the brunt, with dozens of houses destroyed.

Dallal said Israel had hit "1,000 targets in the last eight days — 20 percent were missile-launching sites and the rest were control and command centers, missiles and so forth."

Brig. Gen. Ido Nehushtan insisted the Israeli army never targets civilians but has no way of knowing whether they are in an area it is striking. "Civilians might be in the area because Hezbollah is operating from civilian territory," Nehushtan said.

He said that Hezbollah has fired more than 1,100 rockets at civilian areas in Israel since the fighting began and that 12 percent — or about 750,000 people — of Israel's population lives in areas that can be targeted by the guerrillas.

Israel said its airstrikes so far have destroyed about half of Hezbollah's arsenal — and it has been trying to take out its top leaders.

The Israeli military said aircraft dropped 23 tons of explosives on what it believed was a bunker for senior Hezbollah leaders in the Bourj al-Barajneh neighborhood of Beirut between 8 p.m. and 9 p.m. Wednesday.

Hezbollah said none of its members was hurt and denied a leadership bunker was in the area, saying a mosque under construction was hit. It has a headquarters compound in Bourj al-Barajneh that is off limits to Lebanese police and army, so security officials could not confirm the strike.

Israel's U.N. Ambassador Dan Gillerman told CNN his country would not comment about the attack until it is sure of all the facts. But he added, "I can assure you that we know exactly what we hit. ... This was no religious site. This was indeed the headquarters of the Hezbollah leadership."

On Thursday, Israeli jets struck houses believed used by Hezbollah officials in the town of Hermel in the western Bekaa Valley, wounding at least three.

Israeli warplanes also destroyed a five-story residential and commercial building that reportedly once held a Hezbollah office in the Bekaa Valley city of Baalbek, a Hezbollah stronghold, witnesses said. There was no immediate word on casualties.

Two civilians were killed late Wednesday in strikes on bridges in Lebanon's far north, near Tripoli, the National News Agency said.

Israeli jets also raided a detention center in the southern town of Khiam Thursday, witnesses and local TV said. The notorious Khiam prison, formerly run by Israel's Lebanese militia allies during its occupation, was destroyed in four bombing runs, they said.

International pressure mounted on Israel and the United States to agree to a cease-fire. The destruction and rising death toll deepened a rift between the U.S. and Europe.

The Bush administration is giving Israel a tacit green light to take the time it needs to neutralize Hezbollah, but the Europeans fear mounting civilian casualties will play into the hands of militants and weaken Lebanon's democratically elected government.

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour criticized the rising toll, saying the shelling was invariably killing innocent civilians.

"International law demands accountability," she said in Geneva. "The scale of the killings in the region, and their predictability, could engage the personal criminal responsibility of those involved, particularly those in a position of command and control."

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Associated Press reporters Joe Panossian in Beirut and Maria Sanminiatelli in Larnaca, Cyprus, contributed to this report.

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[gbear]

I can't help but think that with a cease-fire, the world will promptly forget about the entire situation. It will faid from the news and Hezbollah will claim victory and go right back to rocket attcks and kidnappings saying "look we survived the worst Israel can do."

I hate to say it, but condemnation of Israel is probably a better alternative for them than the world's inattention and indifference. If I were them, I would attack too. How far did they get complaining about Hezbollah's attacks before this? Yeah ok, they got a UN resolution telling Hezbollah to disarm. What became of that, more attacks?

[DCsportsfan53]

I can't help but think that with a cease-fire, the world will promptly forget about the entire situation. It will faid from the news and Hezbollah will claim victory and go right back to rocket attcks and kidnappings saying "look we survived the worst Israel can do."

I hate to say it, but condemnation of Israel is probably a better alternative for them than the world's inattention and indifference. If I were them, I would attack too. How far did they get complaining about Hezbollah's attacks before this? Yeah ok, they got a UN resolution telling Hezbollah to disarm. What became of that, more attacks?

Nothing like a good old "please don't do that" from the UN to fix a situation. Works every time :rolleyes:

[skinsbuck]

The UN has no real power. Terrorists don't belong to any world organization and don't report to any outsider. The only thing they understand is death and war. Even then they don't care if they have either. This conflict will never go away.

[boobiemiles]

The UN has no real power. Terrorists don't belong to any world organization and don't report to any outsider. The only thing they understand is death and war. Even then they don't care if they have either. This conflict will never go away.
This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......

[skinz4evr]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......

[skinz4evr]

-Unquote---50 years of fighting. Uhh no- someone or another has been involved in fighting Muslims in the Middle East for over a thousand years. They need wars to validate their militant religion(Islam)Do you really think if we gave up the land Israel occupies, let them bastardize more shrines and "holy places" their mentality would change? HAH! How well are things in Pakistan and Afghanistan and Iran? These people live poorly in mountainous/desert regions which barely sustain them , cling to ancient ideology, and BLAME THE WESTERN WORLD for their decrepitude and the state in which they choose to live. Even when we have left them alone they have commited a host of terrorist attacks from within whatever refuge we allow them. I can't believe some people think,"If we ignore them and leave them alone all the problems will go away", like putting your head in the sand and thinking no one can see you. Thanks for reminding me I have to have these debates to find out who has courage, and won't lay down and let someone else have their way with them as you would prefer.

[Cskin]

A cease-fire just gives the Islamofacists a moment to breathe. I say go, "call the ball", and crush them wherever they are hiding in Lebanon. Don't stop until there are none claiming allegiance to Hezbollah without bullets in their brains.

Boobie... I can't even reply to your post.... I haven't the words to describe how illogical your post appears. It's a top fiver... top five most incoherent and bassawkawards post I've read here.

[frankbones]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......


What a ****ing moron you are.

[Seabee1973]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......


It goes a lot deeper than that its not that we support them we are supporting them in arab terratory. why you think isreal is constantly harrassed arabs want that whole area to themselves

[DCsportsfan53]

What a ****ing moron you are.


I agree with this statement 110%.

[CurseReversed]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......

Wow you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about do you. Did you really just say "thanks jewish people" wow. I cant even begin to point out the utter ubsurdity of your logic or the insanity of your conclusions. Please go hide somewhere (preferrably the middle east) and dont come back....

[nelms]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......
Interesting comments about "the Jews" ... I've heard this from someone before ... who was that? .... it's on the tip of my tongue .... oh that's right, now I remember ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/images/hitler_adolf.jpg

[LD0506]

Now, now, we have to maintain some decorum here even when someone says something really REALLY stupid.


I liked this....

Russia sharply criticized Israel over its onslaught against Lebanon, now in its ninth day, sparked when Hezbollah militants captured two Israeli soldiers. The Russian Foreign Ministry said Israel's actions have gone "far beyond the boundaries of an anti-terrorist operation" and repeating calls for an immediate cease-fire.

Considering the lengths to which Russia went against the Chechens this strikes me as rank hypocrisy.

[rincewind]

Some anti-semitic garbage.


Riggoreincarnated is that you???

[skinthemboys]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......
Kiss my ass

[FuriousD]

Can the bunker-busting bombs over Iran's nuclear facility be far behind? I hope not! That's what I wanna see. Back into the stoneage, you bastards!!!

[Duckus]

Now I don’t agree with what boobiemiles said AT ALL, I want to make that very clear.

And maybe this is getting off topic, but I have always found it interesting that when someone criticize the Israel or the Jewish people in general they are Hitler and anti-Semitic. However, on this very board over the past few years I have read some of the most racist and ignorant things towards Arabs and Muslims, generalizing all of them as terrorist and anti-western. When someone says "**** those Arabs and we should bomb the entire region" some people put up clapping icons and smiley faces. What boobiemiles has said is WEIRD and CRAZY, but I would say 25% of everything in Tailgate is just as crazy. So lets not go calling him Hitler now....

[WizSkinsO's]

This is the reason this whole thing is bs. No body knows what they are talking about. Let me put this question to you: "if somebody came to your home and said, due to Imminent Domain, you have to move some where else", what would you do? Would you move, sure, but would you feel betrayed; and have feeling of resentment, of course you would. What really strikes me about this whole thing is the Jews lost their kingdom before. They couldn't ask the Eqyptians to help them with the Philistien (people of the sea I think I spelled that right), or Assyria when the Romans occupied them for help. But the Good ole USA is more than eager to help them set up shop, and as a result 50 some odd years of fighting have ensued. Without the Jews crying about Israel, we would have good relationship with the Middle East, there wouldn't be the " hate the Americans" slogans every where. Gas would probably cost a $1.00 a gallon. But because of the people that have the very audacity to say "they are the people of God", we have a whole region hating our guts. Thanks Jewish people. And I just want to say that Christians do not need the Jews to validate their religion, religion is validated by faith. And Isis was the first to endorse the One God theory......its just the Ancient Eqyptians didn't take to the whole concept to well. In a word, who cares about either the Jews or Arabs? They are both jerks to me. Stop the antics and just get along. The children of Abraham are acting up again, how cute. I just wish we could give them a spanking and send them to their rooms......
You're a freaking psycho.

[CounterTrey]

I would like to compare the Israel/Palistine situation to the Indan repsonse from a few days ago cause it seem to draw some interesting parralles.

Most of the comments...are well predictably (i.e. i refer to those who are in line with this administration and continue to state like a broken record that "israel has a right to defend itself") are exactly why india will not have a crisis of global anti-indian sentiment, or have to encounter the immensely negative political fallout the US is embrioled in today. i would say our stoic strength stems from our billity as a people to fight quietly and intelligently...to WAGE PEACE if you will. Gandhis movement of non-violence and the fact that the Indian people have been the only nation thus far to combat violence with non-violence, war & occupation with peace. we are not being passive or selfish or apathetic - we are being strong and intelligent. anyone who thinks otherwise really doesnt know india or understand indians. we will do something, i have faith in that, something far more effective than the policies of the Bush adminstration or the Israeli government...of course there will be bumps along the way but no difficult path is without its obstacles.

My cousin wrote this to me in an e-mail today - She works with the Aspen institute in DC who work closely with the White House to shape US Middle Eastern Foreign policy.



"I fundamentally disagree with your arguments with respect to current US and Israeli actions. I reccommend you study the issues and political evolutions on the ground not just going back weeks or days but months and years and then judge whether US and Israeli actions can come close to being justified, legally and otherwise. There is good reason why the EU, the UN, Arab League and the international community at large - outside of course the the US and Israel - condemn what is being done using terms like "war crimes" and "disproportionalilty". In fact on the Lehrer Report last evening an American based human rights group stated that (whose name escapes me right now) according to their analysis of the political situation and latest estimates damages on the ground Israeli actions amount to war crimes, and they plan on taking Israeli leaders to the Hague once the dust settles. Jus ad bellum and Jus in Bello. How quickly we forget the Gaza Beach bombing that occured a week and a half before the first soldier was taken prisoner - when the IDF killed an innocent palestinian family having a picnic on a beach leaving an 8 yr old girl orphaned (an American group concluded post-investigation that it had to be Israeli artillery despite Israeli trying to assert otherwise - along with Kofi Anand and the UN stating they were *suspicious* of the Israeli assertion). Or days before when two ambulances carrying civilians were bombed and 11 Palestinian children were killed among more. I am working on a timeline with a colleague of mine in the UN security council and the EU - perhaps I will send it across once we've published.

Excuse the aggressive response but it seems necessary in Washington where not only are people being fed a totally one sided view by CNN, MSNBC and other US media sources (surprise, surprise, the demise of US media neutrality since 9/11 is well known) - European papers are far more balanaced, and so are Asian papers (more reliable news sources) - but the lack of honest discourse in Washington about what is going on currently is frankly astounding. So much for the political epi centre of global politics.

And let me just add that hasn't waging the "war on terror" ("heany hand" and all) really done wonders on addressing the problem of terrorism in the world today post 9/11, 7/7 or 7/11 right? Don't we live in a muuucch more safe and peaceful world with American popularity at its peak? Right.

End of note. "

As an Indian American I am torn right now on many fronts. I just want to see these terrorist bastards brought to justice ASAP, but killing innocent people by the hundreds, many of whom don;t even support hezbollah is extremely unfortunate. This figthing has to stop and I can't even imagine people on here now saying we should attack Iran. Lets focus on the mess we've made in iraq considering we've started a civil war in that country.

[Thiebear]

Yep its the Jews fault...
They are occupying a rhode island type sliver of land surrounded by people that wish to kill them.
They continue to give up land for peace... and get no peace.
They won't trade 400 detainee's for 2 soldiers.
They put crazy things on the table like:
Lebanon put your soldiers on the border because Hezbollah is there right now shooting rockets at us: The same land we vacated. WITH THE UN standing 8 feet away.
Give us back the 2 soldiers...

I mean really how can you deal with those outrageous demands...

Boobiemiles is absolutely correct, if we just let all the jews die we could be at peace.
They would then accept us with open arms, if we import a mullah or two....And convert.

So whose fault is this fighting again? Oh thats right Hezbollah's, as its their fault why it continues. But their entire existance is to kill all of Israel so what do you expect....

Who offered 97% of the land back from the previous war?
Who said no, because then there would be no outrage?

[boobiemiles]

Before the establishment of Israel, was there ever any Terrorism aimed at US interest, endorse by Arab states? I was wondering. Before the establishment of Israel, was there the thought of the big bad muslim?

[boobiemiles]

Yep its the Jews fault...
They are occupying a rhode island type sliver of land surrounded by people that wish to kill them.
They continue to give up land for peace... and get no peace.
They won't trade 400 detainee's for 2 soldiers.
They put crazy things on the table like:
Lebanon put your soldiers on the border because Hezbollah is there right now shooting rockets at us: The same land we vacated. WITH THE UN standing 8 feet away.
Give us back the 2 soldiers...

I mean really how can you deal with those outrageous demands...

Boobiemiles is absolutely correct, if we just let all the jews die we could be at peace.
They would then accept us with open arms, if we import a mullah or two....And convert.

So whose fault is this fighting again? Oh thats right Hezbollah's, as its their fault why it continues. But their entire existance is to kill all of Israel so what do you expect....

Who offered 97% of the land back from the previous war?
Who said no, because then there would be no outrage?
Well first I never said death to the Jews, please untie the knots in your panties. Stop getting so emotional, that is a female trait. Second, I only infering to the hypocracy that made this situation in the first place. The facts are the Palestinians are a displaced people. There was no reason that they should have been displaced in the first place. It just strikes me that the "people of god" are so willing to inflict hell on other people. I mean two solidiers leads to an all out conflict. Hasn't any one heard about diplomacy, and negotiations? Two solidiers?! I think that Israel was just waiting to start a fight. Why not fortify those outfits with more protection if they are in the path of danger from the Hezbollah. Once again we can look to the people that brought us the "Tora" (which is a narration of Jewish statehood) to bring us peace, I mean since they are "the people of god". Thank god they got Gentiles in foreign lands waiting to take up their cause, but why? For democracy.......wasn't the Hezbollah and Hamas officials democratically elected?

[Thiebear]

Well first I never said death to the Jews, please untie the knots in your panties. Stop getting so emotional, that is a female trait. Second, I only inferring to the hypocrisy that made this situation in the first place. The facts are the Palestinians are a displaced people. There was no reason that they should have been displaced in the first place. It just strikes me that the "people of god" are so willing to inflict hell on other people. I mean two soldiers leads to an all out conflict. Hasn't any one heard about diplomacy, and negotiations? Two soldiers?! I think that Israel was just waiting to start a fight. Why not fortify those outfits with more protection if they are in the path of danger from the Hezbollah. Once again we can look to the people that brought us the "Tora" (which is a narration of Jewish statehood) to bring us peace, I mean since they are "the people of god". Thank god they got Gentiles in foreign lands waiting to take up their cause, but why? For democracy.......wasn't the Hezbollah and Hamas officials democratically elected?

1. I use the facts, no knot needed....
2. Can you list all the places they were displaced from? (the Palestinians)...
3. Can you list the diplomacy/negations in the past: Hezbollah has stated they will not give the soldiers back without the 400 for 2 transfer (still)....
4. You have the people of God thing going, why not just go with "people".

Although I appreciate your attempts at humor and snide remarks you post drivel and thoughtless remarks with no knowledge of history... Didn't Israel try to give back 97% of the land they won after the war? Didn't Israel leave Lebanon only to have Hezbollah get closer and the United Nations watch?
Didn't Israel leave the Gaza strip? Until they hare eyeball deep in the Ocean Hezbollah will not be happy.. That was the remark to the death of all... Anything short for Hamas/Hezbollah will be unacceptable.

[boobiemiles]

1. I use the facts, no knot needed....
2. Can you list all the places they were displaced from? (the Palestinians)...
3. Can you list the diplomacy/negations in the past: Hezbollah has stated they will not give the soldiers back without the 400 for 2 transfer (still)....
4. You have the people of God thing going, why not just go with "people".

Although I appreciate your attempts at humor and snide remarks you post drivel and thoughtless remarks with no knowledge of history... Didn't Israel try to give back 97% of the land they won after the war? Didn't Israel leave Lebanon only to have Hezbollah get closer and the United Nations watch?
Didn't Israel leave the Gaza strip? Until they hare eyeball deep in the Ocean Hezbollah will not be happy.. That was the remark to the death of all... Anything short for Hamas/Hezbollah will be unacceptable.
Why don't you go mold a cow out of gold or something. I'll tell you what history has taught me. Joseph own family didn't like him. Sure he had a nice coat, and was his fathers favorite, but his own brothers picked him up and threw him down a well. And when the stubborn guy wouldn't die, they sold him into slavery to an Egyptian, a wise man, whatever. Joseph goes to Egypt, and during his time of servitude, he was able to maintain his identity (no forgetful tree in egypt, maybe a oaisis or two). Due to his talents to interpret dreams he does the American thing, and pulls himself up by his own boot straps, and becomes a Viser (overseer, diplomat, whatever). After that due to the turbulent climate in Canaan due to the Nabakaner (spelling) and the might of Babylon (current day Iraq) guess who comes to dinner, Joseph's brothers. Joseph is so hooked up that they don't recognize him. He goes on to play with their emotions, until he sees his little brother, then he reviels himself as the once poor younger brother that was hated on by his own brothers. They all offer olive branches and doves, and live in Egypt, assimilate into ints civilization in accordance with the people that came through the gates at Ellis Island, with their culture intact, for 300 years. Once Egypt goes through a dry spell, Ramseys is pissed. He's not a good man, too ambitous, and oppressive. The people of Canaan (not Jewish yet) decide its time to bounce, it's time to establish their own civilization. They want to go home, or back to where they came from. Besides they lived in one of the greatest empires of all time and were able to thrive, and develope a monothestic (my spelling sucks) ideal, that worships one god. Isis was the originator, but due to stage in man's development of his place in the universe and the things that effects his daily living, Isis ideas conflicted with the idea of Gods such as Horus and such gods rulling over provinces like Themopolis (i think that's the name) for rain, pregancy etc., Isis was seen as crazy.....little did the ancients know huh? Anyway from the struggle of the Jews (officially at this time) to establish statehood, the Tora was made. A great narrative of how god aided them in defeating Goliath, the Walls of Jericoch (spelling suck for real), blah blah blah, all colminating with Mesada( well that isn't in the Tora but it is in your history books.....well deep in your history books). They thing that strikes me is that the Egyptians didn't conquer Canaan, Babylon did, but it didn't matter. In the eyes of the Jews (officially) the Egyptians were protrayed as the oppressors, and big bad Ramseys needed to get swallowed up by the sea. But history has shown us that the Egyptians were not an oppressive state, and Ramseys was not so bad. There is two sides to every story. I just not blinded by the the notion of the poor helpless Israelis. Now look at where we are, Assyria (the creators of astrology and reading the stars) are the snarling crazy out of control Muslim, and Iran (one Mesopotania I think where the ideas of Eden are spawned) is the Nuke crazy folks out to destroy everybody.......it all started there, I guess it's fitting it ends in that region too. But I heard there is some good beach fronts in Africa, I think I'm going back. Come with?

[WizSkinsO's]

I think I'm going back.
Good. Get out of our country you loon. As a matter of fact, why don't you go stand with Hezbollah and lob rockets into Israel?

[PleaseBlitz]

Why don't you go mold a cow out of gold or something. I'll tell you what history has taught me. Joseph own family didn't like him. Sure he had a nice coat, and was his fathers favorite, but his own brothers picked him up and threw him down a well. And when the stubborn guy wouldn't die, they sold him into slavery to an Egyptian, a wise man, whatever. Joseph goes to Egypt, and during his time of servitude, he was able to maintain his identity (no forgetful tree in egypt, maybe a oaisis or two). Due to his talents to interpret dreams he does the American thing, and pulls himself up by his own boot straps, and becomes a Viser (overseer, diplomat, whatever). After that due to the turbulent climate in Canaan due to the Nabakaner (spelling) and the might of Babylon (current day Iraq) guess who comes to dinner, Joseph's brothers. Joseph is so hooked up that they don't recognize him. He goes on to play with their emotions, until he sees his little brother, then he reviels himself as the once poor younger brother that was hated on by his own brothers. They all offer olive branches and doves, and live in Egypt, assimilate into ints civilization in accordance with the people that came through the gates at Ellis Island, with their culture intact, for 300 years. Once Egypt goes through a dry spell, Ramseys is pissed. He's not a good man, too ambitous, and oppressive. The people of Canaan (not Jewish yet) decide its time to bounce, it's time to establish their own civilization. They want to go home, or back to where they came from. Besides they lived in one of the greatest empires of all time and were able to thrive, and develope a monothestic (my spelling sucks) ideal, that worships one god. Isis was the originator, but due to stage in man's development of his place in the universe and the things that effects his daily living, Isis ideas conflicted with the idea of Gods such as Horus and such gods rulling over provinces like Themopolis (i think that's the name) for rain, pregancy etc., Isis was seen as crazy.....little did the ancients know huh? Anyway from the struggle of the Jews (officially at this time) to establish statehood, the Tora was made. A great narrative of how god aided them in defeating Goliath, the Walls of Jericoch (spelling suck for real), blah blah blah, all colminating with Mesada( well that isn't in the Tora but it is in your history books.....well deep in your history books). They thing that strikes me is that the Egyptians didn't conquer Canaan, Babylon did, but it didn't matter. In the eyes of the Jews (officially) the Egyptians were protrayed as the oppressors, and big bad Ramseys needed to get swallowed up by the sea. But history has shown us that the Egyptians were not an oppressive state, and Ramseys was not so bad. There is two sides to every story. I just not blinded by the the notion of the poor helpless Israelis. Now look at where we are, Assyria (the creators of astrology and reading the stars) are the snarling crazy out of control Muslim, and Iran (one Mesopotania I think where the ideas of Eden are spawned) is the Nuke crazy folks out to destroy everybody.......it all started there, I guess it's fitting it ends in that region too. But I heard there is some good beach fronts in Africa, I think I'm going back. Come with?


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[Destino]

RUN the blocks of text are attacking!!!! AHHHHHH!!!!

[Henry]

Now, now, we have to maintain some decorum here even when someone says something really REALLY stupid.

Absolutely right guys. Tone it down a litte.

Thanks.

[twa]

Before the establishment of Israel, was there ever any Terrorism aimed at US interest, endorse by Arab states? I was wondering. Before the establishment of Israel, was there the thought of the big bad muslim?

Try reading the history of Jihad and the religon of peace ;)

[Thiebear]

Why don't you go mold a cow out of gold or something. I'll tell you what history has taught me.

Im not exactly sure how you got that rambling montage out of what we were discussing? Put the hookah down....
You never did answer any of the real questions...
Please try again...

first its get get the knot out of your panties and then, go mold a cow out of gold or something. Please don't feel the need to open with an attempt at humor...