Cowboys, Pro Bowl TE Witten agree on six-year deal

[HeHateMe]

Dallas' most important move of the offseason comes 6 days before training camp.

Now extend Williams, and hopefully James, and its an incredible offseason.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2527120

Updated: July 22, 2006, 6:16 PM ET

Cowboys, Pro Bowl TE Witten agree on six-year deal

By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com

Two-time Pro Bowl tight end Jason Witten, who has emerged with the Dallas Cowboys as one of the league's elite young players at the position, on Saturday reached agreement on a new six-year contract, ESPN.com has learned.

The deal, in the works for most of the offseason, addresses one of Dallas' most important priorities, which was securing the three-year veteran for the long term. Witten was entering the final season of the original four-year contract he signed with the Cowboys as a third-round choice in the 2003 draft, and was scheduled to have a base salary of $1.573 million in 2006.

Without the new deal, Witten would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring. The goal of both sides was to have a new deal in place before the Cowboys reported for training camp next week. Talks between the Cowboys and agent Jimmy Sexton were ramped up over the past few days.

The new contract is worth about $28 million to $29 million, and it includes $12 million in guarantees, which are split between an initial signing bonus of $6 million and a guaranteed option bonus of $6 million that is due next spring. The deal both reflects and reinforces Witten's status now among standout tight ends in the league. A former University of Tennessee star, Witten has played in the Pro Bowl each of the past two seasons.

Although he has played three seasons, Witten is only 24 years old, and he continues to improve every year.

His breakthrough came in 2004, when Witten had 87 receptions for 980 yards and six touchdowns. From a statistical standpoint, it was one of the top 12 seasons in NFL history for a tight end. He did not reach those numbers in 2005, catching 66 passes for 757 yards and six touchdowns, but Witten continued to grow into the position and clearly established himself as one of the NFL's premier middle-range receivers.

Witten also raised the level of his blocking over the last two seasons.

The Cowboys plan to use a two-tight end set as their base formation in 2006, with second-round draft choice Anthony Fasano of Notre Dame projected as a starter, and so Witten will continue to have a very prominent role in the Dallas offensive design. In the recrafted offense, Witten might be used more as an H-back, rather as a conventional tight end.

In three seasons, Witten has appeared in 47 games, with 38 starts. He has 188 receptions for 2,084 yards and 13 touchdowns.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

[909997]

good 6 more seasons getting jacked up by marcus washington......;)

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

That's good for the Cowgirls. He's a good player.

[jrockster21]

He ain't no Chris Cooley**





























**I love being controversial

[CowboysForLife]

He's better than Cooley...

[DWinzit]

He's better than Cooley...
Oh Witten is good but.......NOT THAT GOOD!

[Pocono]

Whether he's better than Cooley or not it's helping to set the market for extensions for Cooley and other young TE's and with 12M in SB money being thrown around all TE's should be very very happy. TE used to be one of the lowest paid positions.

[BigDFan5]

the Cowboys handed a seven-year, $29 million contract to their Pro Bowl tight end, conceivably keeping him in the plans through the 2012 season.

Witten, who was entering the final season of his original four-year contract he signed in 2003, will earn nearly $13 million over the next eight months. Not only did he receive a $6 million signing bonus on Saturday, but he will also get another guaranteed $6 million option bonus next March, not to mention a base salary of about $500,000 this season.

credit cowboys.com

[HeHateMe]

Whether he's better than Cooley or not it's helping to set the market for extensions for Cooley and other young TE's and with 12M in SB money being thrown around all TE's should be very very happy. TE used to be one of the lowest paid positions.

Until it became one of the more important spots on the roster.

Thanks to players like Heap, Shockey, Gates and now Witten and Cooley (although technically Cooley is listed as an HB).

[HeHateMe]

He ain't no Chris Cooley**

**I love being controversial

Oh you. :laugh:

[jrockster21]

Until it became one of the more important spots on the roster.

Thanks to players like Heap, Shockey, Gates and now Witten and Cooley (although technically Cooley is listed as an HB).


Exactly....Cooley will be listed as a TE this season though...and will be playing Gonzo's role. :)

[tr1]

Hey, yeah...just "incredible" off-season...

Any word on Parcells? Is he still breathing?

[HeHateMe]

Exactly....Cooley will be listed as a TE this season though...and will be playing Gonzo's role. :)

Aww man. Thats sucks for him.

Now he'll never make the Pro Bowl if he's listed as TE. ;)

[HeHateMe]

Hey, yeah...just "incredible" off-season...

Any word on Parcells? Is he still breathing?

Yep. And he's doing better than ever.

[tr1]

Yep. And he's doing better than ever.


You guys really should try to coax Jimmy Johnson out of retirement.

[HeHateMe]

You guys really should try to coax Jimmy Johnson out of retirement.

When Parcells does leave for upstate New York, I wouldnt mind bringing back Johnson at all.

Too bad Jones would.

[tr1]

You mean next year...or maybe during the season, don't you?

[HeHateMe]

You mean next year...or maybe during the season, don't you?

Could be next year, sure.

During the season? Not in a million years.

[CowboysForLife]

Oh Witten is good but.......NOT THAT GOOD!

Come on man, I was about to think of you as a realistic person...

Ask just about any non-Skin fan, and they'd tell you Witten is better...

[tr1]

Could be next year, sure.

During the season? Not in a million years.

Oh, you underestimate TO...remember, Billy didn't bring him in...

[HeHateMe]

Oh, you underestimate TO...remember, Billy didn't bring him in...

Whenever you'd like to make a wager, I'm all ears.

[tr1]

Come on man, I was about to think of you as a realistic person...

Ask just about any non-Skin fan, and they'd tell you Witten is better...

Let's see, Cooley was on a 10-6 team last year. Beat the pukes twice. And the Skins went to the playoffs.

Cooley had one more touchdown...

So, based on last year, Cooley is better...not by much, but, yes, better.

[mrtacconi]

too many cowgirl fans in here, it is rather annoying. witten's career willl be over in '07. Bledsoe is done this year, is Romo the future?

[tr1]

Whenever you'd like to make a wager, I'm all ears.

If the pukes lose three in a row before game 8, Billy quits.

[HeHateMe]

If the pukes lose three in a row before game 8, Billy quits.

Interesting contingency to try and cover yourself.

So I'm now ready for two wagers.

One that Dallas wont lose 3 in a row before Philly.

And one that EVEN IF Dallas does lose 3 in a row before Philly, he wont quit.

[tr1]

Interesting contingency to try and cover yourself.

So I'm now ready for two wagers.

One that Dallas wont lose 3 in a row before Philly.

And one that EVEN IF Dallas does lose 3 in a row before Philly, he wont quit.

Hey, I don't want to take your money...it would be like stealing. Never bet on TO having good behavior...you've already experienced an off-season with him. Has it been fun?

[HeHateMe]

too many cowgirl fans in here, it is rather annoying. witten's career willl be over in '07. Bledsoe is done this year, is Romo the future?

Excellent breakdown of how Witten's career will unfold.

[HeHateMe]

Hey, I don't want to take your money...it would be like stealing. Never bet on TO having good behavior...you've already experienced an off-season with him. Has it been fun?

First, I'd never make a monetary bet on this site.

Second, if I did, you wouldnt pay, so I wouldnt bother.;)

Third, the stakes will be an b*tch avatar (if the mods approved of course) or something along the likes of that. Perhaps a custom sig of choice to be displayed for a certain period of time on the losers posts.

To me, it wouldnt be betting on T.O.'s behavior.

It would be betting on knowing Parcells and Dallas wont lose 3 in a row before Philly and would be knowing even if they did, it would T.O. to go, not Parcells.

So, hows bout it?

[jrockster21]

When Parcells does leave for upstate New York, I wouldnt mind bringing back Johnson at all.

Too bad Jones would.

Jimmy was nothing special...a monkey could have coached that team to a championship. Oh wait...Switzer did...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

First, I'd never make a monetary bet on this site.

Second, if I did, you wouldnt pay, so I wouldnt bother.;)

Third, the stakes will be an b*tch avatar (if the mods approved of course) or something along the likes of that. Perhaps a custom sig of choice to be displayed for a certain period of time on the losers posts.

To me, it wouldnt be betting on T.O.'s behavior.

It would be betting on knowing Parcells and Dallas wont lose 3 in a row before Philly and would be knowing even if they did, it would T.O. to go, not Parcells.

So, hows bout it?

You're starting to sound a lot like WB36...

Did you happen to catch my statement about TO not being able to block a lick? Any ideas how Billy's gonna feel about that?

[tr1]

And aren't you tired about reading about TO and his interviews for his book, yet?

It's just begun, my friend.

Tick...tick....tick...

[HeHateMe]

Jimmy was nothing special...a monkey could have coached that team to a championship. Oh wait...Switzer did...:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ahh, yes, true, but it was Johnson who helped craft that dynasty.

[HeHateMe]

You're starting to sound a lot like WB36...

Did you happen to catch my statement about TO not being able to block a lick? Any ideas how Billy's gonna feel about that?


First, dont ever insult me like that again. :laugh:

Second, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

But if youre so concerned, and convinced it will happen, you should know by the Philly game right?

[DWinzit]

Come on man, I was about to think of you as a realistic person...

Ask just about any non-Skin fan, and they'd tell you Witten is better...
Don't lose faith in me being realistic.... As stated prior, Witten is good. He also has one year more experience than Cooley, so stats should definitely favor Witten. Yet, Cooley caught more passes, had more yards and touchdowns. Then add into next years equation your team added a TE in the second round. He'll take some of the receptions from Witten.
Realistic.....yes, and I guess what all those non-Skin fans think, isn't that important to me!

[tr1]

Ahh, yes, true, but it was Johnson who helped craft that dynasty.

Yeah, him and Minnesota's FO.

[HeHateMe]

Yeah, him and Minnesota's FO.

No, actually that was Jerry Jones that swindled Minnesota and allowed Johnson to have the chance to craft that dynasty.

[tr1]

Don't lose faith in me being realistic.... As stated prior, Witten is good. He also has one year more experience than Cooley, so stats should definitely favor Witten. Yet, Cooley caught more passes, had more yards and touchdowns. Then add into next years equation your team added a TE in the second round. He'll take some of the receptions from Witten.
Realistic.....yes, and I guess what all those non-Skin fans think, isn't that important to me!

All very good points that Cowboy fans will ignore.

[DWinzit]

All very good points that Cowboy fans will ignore.
Yes, they need to remove those homer blinders!

[jrockster21]

Don't lose faith in me being realistic.... As stated prior, Witten is good. He also has one year more experience than Cooley, so stats should definitely favor Witten. Yet, Cooley caught more passes, had more yards and touchdowns. Then add into next years equation your team added a TE in the second round. He'll take some of the receptions from Witten.
Realistic.....yes, and I guess what all those non-Skin fans think, isn't that important to me!


To be fair, Witten's numbers dropped significantly last year because he had to stay in and block a lot. Their oline was horrendous last season.

My honest response is that Witten and Cooley are probably about equal. Witten can stretch the field better, but Cooley just has a knack for getting open. Once open, he NEVER gets taken down by one tackler. He's simply a beast. Just ask Newman how hard it is to bring him down!! :D :D :D

I can't wait to see what kind of numbers Cooley puts up in Saunders' offense...should be fun to watch.

[DWinzit]

I can't wait to see what kind of numbers Cooley puts up in Saunders' offense...should be fun to watch.
I agree it'll be fun and he should come up with nice numbers! I'm not sure CowboysForLife would agree ;)

[XxSpearheadxX]

He's better than Cooley...


You bring up an arguable point.

Sporting News Warroom has Witten ranked as the 7th best TE and Cooley as the 4th, mainly because he led all TEs in the league in YAC, and ranked 6th over all in the category.

On the other hand, SI ranked Cooley 7th and Witten 4th, so take your pick.

I've always been a Sporting News fan, much better insight IMO.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Exactly....Cooley will be listed as a TE this season though...and will be playing Gonzo's role. :)

And he played TE last year, all TEs in the league play "HB" now anyway, there really is very little difference usually since the TE is often pulling and lead blocking, something previously credited to hybrid backs only.

[jrockster21]

I agree it'll be fun and he should come up with nice numbers! I'm not sure CowboysForLife would agree ;)

:laugh: It won't matter once Cooley has another couple multiple-TD performances against the Boys...he'll have to take notice then! :)


And he played TE last year, all TEs in the league play "HB" now anyway, there really is very little difference usually since the TE is often pulling and lead blocking, something previously credited to hybrid backs only.

Not all TEs...Saunders definitely used Gonzo in that way, but he was pretty unique. Gates some times split out, but not frequently, but the key to being an H-Back is lining up in the backfield and lead-blocking, something Gates and Gonzo never do. That's a Gibbs offensive thing only!! :)

But Cooley won't be doing that anymore...but he will go in motion a lot, and split out sometimes as well.

[THEHEREAFTER]

How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see. :pimp:

[XxSpearheadxX]

:laugh: It won't matter once Cooley has another couple multiple-TD performances against the Boys...he'll have to take notice then! :)



Not all TEs...Saunders definitely used Gonzo in that way, but he was pretty unique. Gates some times split out, but not frequently, but the key to being an H-Back is lining up in the backfield and lead-blocking, something Gates and Gonzo never do. That's a Gibbs offensive thing only!! :)

But Cooley won't be doing that anymore...but he will go in motion a lot, and split out sometimes as well.


True True, but other guys do it and really how many times did Cooley lead block up the gut? 4 or 5? He wasn't very good at it, he is a much better in line blocker or a blocker on a stretch or counter IMO.

Gates doesn't, but other guys do. Either way, who cares, Cooley is just damn good and getting better at pretty much everything he does.

I can't believe Cooley was 6th in the league in YAC, including all RBs and WRs as well.

[jrockster21]

How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see. :pimp:

Cooley is Brunell's favorite target...and with the offensive success the Skins are gonna have this season, there will be plenty of balls to go around!! :)

Cooley will have 800+ yards and 10TDs this year. :)

[bubba9497]

How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see. :pimp:



:laugh: yeah 41 catches & 469 yards in 9 games before Patten's & Thrash's injury didn't count.... even though Patten ony had 22 catches at the time.



I guess Witten's totals were because the OL was so bad Bledsoe had to throw quick & short a great deal of the time :doh:





you need to do better

[Ken]

All very good points that Cowboy fans will ignore.
Not bad beating a guy who's first responsibilty for the majority of the season was pass blocking...

Let me know when When Cooley has a season like Witten had 2 years ago...

[Warhead36]

Good move for the Cowboys. Also helps us out when it comes time to negoiate Cooley's deal.

[Buford]

I think that's a good signing for Dallas. He's a really good TE.

Whether Cooley is better or equal to Witten is up for debate I guess. But, I remember some Cowboy fans calling their rookie "Our Cooley". While, I can't think of another team that says "Our Witten"

[bubba9497]

arguing over whose better between Cooley & Witten is like arguing over favorite colors

they are both great young TE's, and should both have great careers

[DWinzit]

Let me know when When Cooley has a season like Witten had 2 years ago...
Better yet, we'll have Cooley show you the ring he earns this season!

[bubba9497]

Not bad beating a guy who's first responsibilty for the majority of the season was pass blocking...

Let me know when When Cooley has a season like Witten had 2 years ago...



oh please spare us the lame excuses, it's an insult to Witten's ability, and our intellegence

[Phixius]

Aww man. Thats sucks for him.

Now he'll never make the Pro Bowl if he's listed as TE. ;)


Wait and see

[HeHateMe]

Keep in mind what it took to get each of them as well.

Dallas drafted Witten in the 3rd round.

Washington had to give up a 2nd round pick and 5th round pick (I think) to trade up into the 3rd round to get Cooley.

Not a bad deal looking back, but it did cost quite a bit more to land Cooley.

[jrockster21]

Not bad beating a guy who's first responsibilty for the majority of the season was pass blocking...

Let me know when When Cooley has a season like Witten had 2 years ago...


Cooley's season last year was everything but the yards. He had one more touchdown, the same number of 1st downs (on 16 less catches), but 12.9 yards per game less. Pretty much identical.

But hey, let us know when Witten gets more than 6 TDs in a season, okay? And let us know when Witten gets 6th or better out of all receivers in yards after the catch. Thanks...

Good ol' Ken...you never disappoint! ;)

EDIT: Just for you, Ken, I looked up Witten's "amazing" 2004 season YAC ranking...he didn't even crack the top 20 (22). :(

[THEHEREAFTER]

:laugh: yeah 41 catches & 469 yards in 9 games before Patten's & Thrash's injury didn't count.... even though Patten ony had 22 catches at the time.



I guess Witten's totals were because the OL was so bad Bledsoe had to throw quick & short a great deal of the time :doh:





you need to do better

Bubba, I merely asked a simple and fair question (How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see.) Does my presence get you agitated that easily? :laugh:

You need to pick your battles better. :laugh:

[jrockster21]

Bubba, I merely asked a simple and fair question (How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see.) Does my presence get you agitated that easily? :laugh:

You need to pick your battles better. :laugh:

Honestly, I believe Cooley's numbers are going to increase. His receptions may go down, but with a more spread field, he'll have more room to run after the catch. I think with only one defender on him (not like the two or three last year) he'll get more big-gainers after breaking a tackle. Also, I think his touchdown numbers will go up, because Brunell hunts for him in the red-zone...:)

[Lil Kenzo]

I think Cooley's numbers will be between 700-750 yards and 6-9 TDs. Don't get me wrong, Cooley is very good, but we have a lot of targets this year with Moss, ARE and Lloyd. Then you mix in Sellers and Portis out of the backfield. I am just as excited as the next person about what this Redskins offense will look like on opening day, but I also worry that Cooley's numbers will never reach the elite level.

I really like having Cooley on our team, but I know that with all these weapons and all these targets, he will never get the recognition that he deserves.

[jrockster21]

Keep in mind what it took to get each of them as well.

Dallas drafted Witten in the 3rd round.

Washington had to give up a 2nd round pick and 5th round pick (I think) to trade up into the 3rd round to get Cooley.

Not a bad deal looking back, but it did cost quite a bit more to land Cooley.

They did not have a 3rd rounder that year, and were worried he might not slip to the 4th. And it was a future 2nd rounder...which happened to occur in a weak draft. :whoknows:

Both Witten and Cooley would be 1st rounders if they were drafted all over again...

[Major Harris]

good move for the boys....smart move. hopefully, we'll lock cooley up before his rookie deal expires.

bubba has it right, cooley and witten are both great players, and arguing over who's better will do nothing but show if you're a 'skins fan or 'boys fan.

[bubba9497]

Bubba, I merely asked a simple and fair question (How will adding Lloyd & ARE factor in Cooley's production? Were Cooley's #'s inflated at all due to the skins utter lack of a productive receiving threat outside of Moss last year? We'll see.) Does my presence get you agitated that easily? :laugh:

You need to pick your battles better. :laugh:


again you totally avoid the point, are you so intimidated by my mere presence you cower and refuse to directly face the issue?

:laugh:


You simply tried to imply something that wasn't true (as I easily pointed out, but you yet again fail to acknowledge), Most of Cooley's catches came when the skins had a second and third WR opposite Moss, and while Cooley's production was still impressive the last 7 games...the loss of Patten & Thrash actually hurt his production as well as Moss.. 1. He too attracted double coverage, and 2. The Skins threw the ball about 40% fewer times, relying more on Portis and the run game.

Now will Witten's catches go down now that the Pokes signed TO, and drafted a pass catching TE from Norte Dame? For Cooley, Al Saunders likes the TE position, and it is used in various ways, and one can only conclude that by the way Gonzales was used in KC.. Cooley will continue to be a threat for opposing defenses, if not even more dangerous.

BTW, constantly correcting your error, and stamping out your feeble attempts at jibes and insults to stir up the board is actually amusing. you fill a void left by Westy. but you really need to step it up and present more of a challenge, so far defeating you is like shooting fish in a barrel.

you are hardly a threat, especially when you never backup your points with anything tangible other than opinion if that, and refuse to directly address the points I and other's debate, either take only one part of it, or twist the point completely.

However your constant little jabs and insults at me, kind of proves it is you who gets agitated by my presence. :D

[bubba9497]

Keep in mind what it took to get each of them as well.

Dallas drafted Witten in the 3rd round.

Washington had to give up a 2nd round pick and 5th round pick (I think) to trade up into the 3rd round to get Cooley.

Not a bad deal looking back, but it did cost quite a bit more to land Cooley.

or if you want to analis it in another way

when you consider that Witten was projected to be a late first round pick, & Mel Kiper had him the top TE in the draft for most of the year, it wasn't much of a stretch for Dallas to pick him up in the third round

Where Parcell's flat out told Cooley he'd never make it, and many experts scratch their head why the Skins made a trade to give up a 2nd for a third... for Cooley. But we didn't have any picks available to pick him before another team grabbed him.... time has shown it was a wise move.

[THEHEREAFTER]

again you totally avoid the point, are you so intimidated by my mere presence you cower and refuse to directly face the issue?

:laugh:


You simply tried to imply something that wasn't true (as I easily pointed out, but you yet again fail to acknowledge), Most of Cooley's catches came when the skins had a second and third WR opposite Moss, and while Cooley's production was still impressive the last 7 games...the loss of Patten & Thrash actually hurt his production as well as Moss.. 1. He too attracted double coverage, and 2. The Skins threw the ball about 40% fewer times, relying more on Portis and the run game.

Now will Witten's catches go down now that the Pokes signed TO, and drafted a pass catching TE from Norte Dame? For Cooley, Al Saunders likes the TE position, and it is used in various ways, and one can only conclude that by the way Gonzales was used in KC.. Cooley will continue to be a threat for opposing defenses, if not even more dangerous.

BTW, constantly correcting your error, and stamping out your feeble attempts at jibes and insults to stir up the board is actually amusing. you fill a void left by Westy. but you really need to step it up and present more of a challenge, so far defeating you is like shooting fish in a barrel.

you are hardly a threat, especially when you never backup your points with anything tangible other than opinion if that, and refuse to directly address the points I and other's debate, either take only one part of it, or twist the point completely.

However your constant little jabs and insults at me, kind of proves it is you who gets agitated by my presence. :D


Wow, somebody is in gear for the season! Insults? Stirring the board up? I simply asked a fair question which was by no means a shot at Cooley or you for that matter. Even when thrash and patten were healthy and "contributing" they didn't prove to be much of a threat for opposing defenses. Further, I was moreso looking towards next season and the additions of Lloyd, who in your opinion is better than T.O., and ARE and how the production will be distributed. Not an insult but rather a simple question. Will Wittens catches go down because of our other threats? FAIR QUESTION but I believe he'll have his best season as far as impact.

[CowboysForLife]

Ok, Ok, fine, it's too hard to tell whether Witten is better than Cooley or not. I'd pick Witten, but that's just me. I'm sure you'd pick Cooley, but that's because they play for our teams. There's no way I could convince any of you that Witten is better, or even equal to Cooley, and there's no way you could do the same to us.

In reference to the person who heard other fans say "We've got our Cooley", that was probably us when we got Fasano. He'll be more in the mold of a Cooley-type guy, so that's why we called him "our Cooley".

I'm just saying, ask NFL fans across the league, and most will tell you that Witten is better. That might be because of name recognition, but I'm just throwing that out there.

[jrockster21]

Ok, Ok, fine, it's too hard to tell whether Witten is better than Cooley or not. I'd pick Witten, but that's just me. I'm sure you'd pick Cooley, but that's because they play for our teams. There's no way I could convince any of you that Witten is better, or even equal to Cooley, and there's no way you could do the same to us.

Well, seeing as the majority of us in this thread are conceding that the two are equal (except the big time homers, i.e. Ken) you would have no problems "convincing" us of that fact.


I'm just saying, ask NFL fans across the league, and most will tell you that Witten is better. That might be because of name recognition, but I'm just throwing that out there.

You may have a point...Witten is more well known and has made a pro-bowl. Cooley got stiffed in the pro-bowl voting, because he was listed as a FB. Then he had his biggest game of the season the weekend after voting closed (I'm pretty sure you remember that game :silly: ). Anyway, he definitely deserved a pro-bowl last season, and hopefully will make one this season.

[kingfish50]

They overpaid for him. He's not worth that amount of money. There goes Jerry trying to buy a Super Bowl again.
Sound familiar?

[tr1]

Not bad beating a guy who's first responsibilty for the majority of the season was pass blocking...

Let me know when When Cooley has a season like Witten had 2 years ago...

You really should do some homework. Here, let me help you out.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492912

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/396134

Almost the same production...that impressive year you talk about isn't much different than last year for Cooley. Certainly in average and TDs. :doh:

[tr1]

I'm just saying, ask NFL fans across the league, and most will tell you that Witten is better. That might be because of name recognition, but I'm just throwing that out there.

This is just a bull**** statement, especially after last year when we got into the playoffs and you got to go home.

I suppose you do polling, eh? :doh:

Please, take this somewhere else.

[tr1]

Wow, somebody is in gear for the season! Insults? Stirring the board up? I simply asked a fair question which was by no means a shot at Cooley or you for that matter. Even when thrash and patten were healthy and "contributing" they didn't prove to be much of a threat for opposing defenses. Further, I was moreso looking towards next season and the additions of Lloyd, who in your opinion is better than T.O., and ARE and how the production will be distributed. Not an insult but rather a simple question. Will Wittens catches go down because of our other threats? FAIR QUESTION but I believe he'll have his best season as far as impact.

If anything, Whitten gets doubled and TO gets doubled. Look for Glenn to have the big year.

As for Cooley, I think Saunders has made potential HOF players out of TE's he's worked with in the past.

[DWinzit]

hopefully, we'll lock cooley up before his rookie deal expires.
:fingersx:
I sure hope they don't wait until the last minute like many times in the past. He is a major team cog and a huge fan favorite, even with some no-Skins fans :D

[dallasfanforlife]

If anything, Whitten gets doubled and TO gets doubled. Look for Glenn to have the big year.

As for Cooley, I think Saunders has made potential HOF players out of TE's he's worked with in the past.

Saunders coached in SD for three years as wr coach....is he the reason K.Winslow is a beast TE? Gonzales is a beast no matter who coached/coaches him...better the Witten and Cooley by far....who esle has Saunders made into a HOF TE?

I thought The Skins were going to be more like the 2000 Rams, anyway? Who did the Rams have as a HOF TE?

[DWinzit]

Saunders coached in SD for three years as wr coach....is he the reason K.Winslow is a beast TE? Gonzales is a beast no matter who coached/coaches him...better the Witten and Cooley by far....who esle has Saunders made into a HOF TE?
I thought The Skins were going to be more like the 2000 Rams, anyway? Who did the Rams have as a HOF TE?
I don't know about the Rams look being the way the Skins are going. Every team is different and takes on it's own look and personality. They will look like the 2006 Skins and Cooley will be the starting TE.
Saunders was more than a WR coach for 3 years with Winslow:
"Saunders would go with Coryell to NFL when Coryell became the Head Coach of the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers).
From 1983-1986, Saunders was the wide receivers coach for the Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers). He was tapped as the Charger's Interim Head Coach (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Interim_Head_Coach&action=edit) when Coryell resigned during the middle of the 1986 season. Saunders would eventually replace Coryell as the Head Coach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_Coach) from 1986-1988." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Saunders Coryell began coaching the Chargers in 1978.
Talented as Gonzo is, without proper coaching any player can flounder in a poor system. Saunders helped Gonzo create his legacy and potential HOF status.

[THEHEREAFTER]

They overpaid for him. He's not worth that amount of money. There goes Jerry trying to buy a Super Bowl again.
Sound familiar?

I guess IF we're talking about shelling out a blockbuster deal for a 30 catch, 1 TD WR brought in as a FA? :whoknows:

Last time I checked Witten is a two time pro-bowl TE who has certainly earned his contract? :(

[Chachie]

I was hoping he'd gone mad, stark-raving maaaaad I tell you, and somehow decided take a last-minute train to the CFL.

[HeHateMe]

or if you want to analis it in another way

when you consider that Witten was projected to be a late first round pick, & Mel Kiper had him the top TE in the draft for most of the year, it wasn't much of a stretch for Dallas to pick him up in the third round

Glad we agree then that Witten was the steal of that draft.

[HeHateMe]

Where Parcell's flat out told Cooley he'd never make it, and many experts scratch their head why the Skins made a trade to give up a 2nd for a third... for Cooley. But we didn't have any picks available to pick him before another team grabbed him.... time has shown it was a wise move.

But a costly one, nonetheless.

[tr1]

Saunders coached in SD for three years as wr coach....is he the reason K.Winslow is a beast TE? Gonzales is a beast no matter who coached/coaches him...better the Witten and Cooley by far....who esle has Saunders made into a HOF TE?

I thought The Skins were going to be more like the 2000 Rams, anyway? Who did the Rams have as a HOF TE?

Saunders was WR coach with the Rams. :doh:

Here's a bit of reading for you...you seem not to know who Saunders is:

" Embarking on his 36th season in the coaching ranks this year, Saunders owns 23 years of NFL coaching experience and is beginning his 15th coaching campaign with Kansas City. He previously served a 10-year stint as assistant head coach/wide receivers coach under head coach Marty Schottenheimer from ‘89-98. During that 10-year span, he was part of a Chiefs coaching staff which helped guide Kansas City to three AFC West titles and seven playoff berths. In total, Saunders has been associated with 10 postseason appearances, five division crowns and a World Championship during his NFL tenure.

In 2004, the Chiefs led the NFL in total offense for the first time in franchise history, accumulating a franchise-record 6,695 yards or an average of 418.4 ypg. In the process, Kansas City established an NFL record with 398 first downs, breaking the previous mark of 387 set by the ‘84 Dolphins.

In total, the 2004 Chiefs ranked in the NFL’s top five in each of the four major offensive categories for the first time in team history: total offense (1st - 418.4 ypg), scoring offense (2nd - 30.2 ppg), pass offense (4th - 275.4 ypg) and rush offense (5th - 143.1 ypg). Last season, Kansas City also led the NFL in 24 different offensive categories, while tying or breaking 18 different single-season team records, including marks for offensive TDs (58), third-down conversion percentage (47.2%), most games with 400 or more yards of total offense (nine) and most consecutive 400-yard games (five).

Under Saunders, the Chiefs have also continued their unprecendented production in the running game. Kansas City tied a 42-year-old NFL record by registering 63 rushing TDs over the 2003-04 seasons, a two-season mark originally established by the ‘61-62 Packers. Those numbers were bolstered by three-time Pro Bowl running back Priest Holmes who registered an NFL-record 27 rushing TDs in 2003. The 2004 Chiefs owned the distinction of becoming the first team in league history to have three different backs produce a 150-yard rushing game in a season and were the initial NFL squad to ever rush for eight TDs in a league contest.

Simply put, Saunders has presided over the NFL’s most prolific scoring offense over the last four seasons. During that span, no NFL team has registered more points than the 1,754 accumulated by the Chiefs, an average of 27.4 ppg. In 2004, Kansas City scored 30+ points in five consecutive games, a first in team history. The Chiefs led the NFL in scoring in both 2002 and 2003, becoming the first AFC team to lead the league in scoring in back-to-back seasons since San Diego in ‘81-82. During the 2003 season alone, the Chiefs piled up a franchise-record 484 points after registering a league-high 467 points in 2002. "

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:IyZUYS4UL0IJ:www.kcchiefs.com/coach/al_saunders/+al+saunders&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Be afraid.

[CowboysForLife]

This is just a bull**** statement, especially after last year when we got into the playoffs and you got to go home.

I suppose you do polling, eh? :doh:

Please, take this somewhere else.

Uh, what the hell?

Go on an NFL forum, and they'll tell you who's better. I even said that it's probably because more people know Witten and Cooley is still a bit unknown.

Calm down, man, take those pills, and get a good sleep...

[DWinzit]

I even said that it's probably because more people know Witten and Cooley is still a bit unknown..
Correct, but he's known now and they'll hear much more from Mr. Cooley with Saunders. You must admit he was screwed out of the pro bowl last season.

[CowboysForLife]

Correct, but he's known now and they'll hear much more from Mr. Cooley with Saunders. You must admit he was screwed out of the pro bowl last season.

Listen, I don't know what's up with Mr. Homer tr1 right now, but all I said was that Witten was more recognized around hte league as being a better player, alot of NFL fans will tell you that. That doesn't mean Witten is better, because, well, is Michael Vick better than (insert any QB that barely missed the Pro Bowl)?

I've heard Cooley will have to switch from the H-back to the TE position under Saunders, and if he performs as well as he did last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cooley and Witten both in the Pro Bowl.

If Michael Vick makes it to the Pro Bowl, I honestly don't care who made the Pro Bowl. It's just a popularity contest. If Witten and Cooley had the same production, but Cooley was better known, then Cooley would get the Pro Bowl, while Witten would sit at home watching. Same vice versa.

But come on, how is it a BS statement to point out that Witten is better known, obviously getting recognition as the better player. IDK who's better. In my opinion, it's Witten, in your opinion, Cooley. IMO, Witten is better than his yardage last year suggested, because he often had to stay back and block, because of a turd named Torrin Tucker, instead of being able to go out for the catch.

You guys can think what you want, but I do not think I'm full of BS just because I believe Witten is slightly better. Witten and Cooley are so close though, that any difference between them doesn't matter at all.

Like one redskin fan pointed out, if you're a redskins fan, Cooley is better, and if you're a cowboys fan, Witten is better.

Are you starting to understand what I'm saying? By no means am I saying that Cooley sucks, I'm just saying that I would rather have Witten (probably because of my loyalty to the Cowboys).

tr1 just needs that long nap I told him about...

[BigDFan5]

Saunders was WR coach with the Rams. :doh:

Here's a bit of reading for you...you seem not to know who Saunders is:





Do you know who Saunders is? In your rush to try and make someone look bad you made your self look foolish. Saunders was the WR coach for the Chargers from 1983-1986 He was then the head coach of the chargers from 1986-1988

Maybe you should check your facts before trying to act superior to anyone.

[tr1]

Do you know who Saunders is? In your rush to try and make someone look bad you made your self look foolish. Saunders was the WR coach for the Chargers from 1983-1986 He was then the head coach of the chargers from 1986-1988

Maybe you should check your facts before trying to act superior to anyone.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

A reference was made to Saunder's stay in the Rams' offense.

" En route to their World Championship in ‘99, the Rams paced the NFL with 6,412 yards of total offense, good for a remarkable 400.8 ypg average. St. Louis also led the league in passing offense with 272.1 yards per game and topped the NFL in scoring by averaging 32.9 points per contest. The 526 total points amassed by the ‘99 squad ranked as the fourth-highest tally in NFL annals.

The St. Louis receiving corps under the direction of Saunders was responsible for a large portion of those record-setting numbers. WR Isaac Bruce made the Pro Bowl in each of his seasons working with Saunders and led the Rams in 2000 with 87 receptions, while garnering 1,471 yards and nine TDs. WR Torry Holt had a breakout year under Saunders’ tutelage in 2000, leading the league in receiving yards (1,635) and yards per catch (19.9) while earning his first Pro Bowl appearance after grabbing 82 receptions and scoring six TDs. WR Az-Zahir Hakim also made significant progress during Saunders’ stay in St. Louis. After producing just 20 catches for 247 yards and one score as a rookie in ‘98, by the 2000 campaign he had grabbed 53 balls for 734 yards and four TDs. Bruce, Holt and Hakim join a stellar list of receivers tutored by Saunders, a group that includes Pro Football Hall of Famers Charlie Joiner and Kellen Winslow (San Diego) and Lynn Swann (Southern California). "

I didn't reference anything about his SD tenure.

Look, if you're gonna try and jump in, try to say something intelligent.

[BigDFan5]

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

A reference was made to Saunder's stay in the Rams' offense.

" En route to their World Championship in ‘99, the Rams paced the NFL with 6,412 yards of total offense, good for a remarkable 400.8 ypg average. St. Louis also led the league in passing offense with 272.1 yards per game and topped the NFL in scoring by averaging 32.9 points per contest. The 526 total points amassed by the ‘99 squad ranked as the fourth-highest tally in NFL annals.

The St. Louis receiving corps under the direction of Saunders was responsible for a large portion of those record-setting numbers. WR Isaac Bruce made the Pro Bowl in each of his seasons working with Saunders and led the Rams in 2000 with 87 receptions, while garnering 1,471 yards and nine TDs. WR Torry Holt had a breakout year under Saunders’ tutelage in 2000, leading the league in receiving yards (1,635) and yards per catch (19.9) while earning his first Pro Bowl appearance after grabbing 82 receptions and scoring six TDs. WR Az-Zahir Hakim also made significant progress during Saunders’ stay in St. Louis. After producing just 20 catches for 247 yards and one score as a rookie in ‘98, by the 2000 campaign he had grabbed 53 balls for 734 yards and four TDs. Bruce, Holt and Hakim join a stellar list of receivers tutored by Saunders, a group that includes Pro Football Hall of Famers Charlie Joiner and Kellen Winslow (San Diego) and Lynn Swann (Southern California). "

I didn't reference anything about his SD tenure.

Look, if you're gonna try and jump in, try to say something intelligent.



Asks who the TE for the Rams was and instead of replying you post a copy paste job that had nothing to do with what was asked? Ok I gotcha

[DWinzit]

Listen, I don't know what's up with Mr. Homer tr1 right now, but all I said was that Witten was more recognized around hte league as being a better player, alot of NFL fans will tell you that. That doesn't mean Witten is better, because, well, is Michael Vick better than (insert any QB that barely missed the Pro Bowl)?

I've heard Cooley will have to switch from the H-back to the TE position under Saunders, and if he performs as well as he did last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see Cooley and Witten both in the Pro Bowl.

If Michael Vick makes it to the Pro Bowl, I honestly don't care who made the Pro Bowl. It's just a popularity contest. If Witten and Cooley had the same production, but Cooley was better known, then Cooley would get the Pro Bowl, while Witten would sit at home watching. Same vice versa.

But come on, how is it a BS statement to point out that Witten is better known, obviously getting recognition as the better player. IDK who's better. In my opinion, it's Witten, in your opinion, Cooley. IMO, Witten is better than his yardage last year suggested, because he often had to stay back and block, because of a turd named Torrin Tucker, instead of being able to go out for the catch.

You guys can think what you want, but I do not think I'm full of BS just because I believe Witten is slightly better. Witten and Cooley are so close though, that any difference between them doesn't matter at all.

Like one redskin fan pointed out, if you're a redskins fan, Cooley is better, and if you're a cowboys fan, Witten is better.

Are you starting to understand what I'm saying? By no means am I saying that Cooley sucks, I'm just saying that I would rather have Witten (probably because of my loyalty to the Cowboys).

tr1 just needs that long nap I told him about...
This post is mostly reiteraton and I have replied to most. Really the only new items are Torrin Tucker is a turd and TR1 needs a nap. I agree with you on the first and I like TR1 a bit tired and awnry!
Your repetition would lead one to think it is you who requires a nap!;)

[CowboysForLife]

This post is mostly reiteraton and I have replied to most. Really the only new items are Torrin Tucker is a turd and TR1 needs a nap. I agree with you on the first and I like TR1 a bit tired and awnry!
Your repetition would lead one to think it is you who requires a nap!;)

Maybe I do need a nap...the only reason that I'm reiterating is because you guys obviously are misreading what I'm trying to say...

Cooley and Witten are really close as of now. As for the Pro Bowl, there are many players that get "cheated", including our very own Terence Newman. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, so its all based on league-wide recognition.

Look, in my last post, I've said that Cooley and Witten are basically equal. What do you want me to say? That Cooley sucks?

[DWinzit]

Maybe I do need a nap...the only reason that I'm reiterating is because you guys obviously are misreading what I'm trying to say...

Cooley and Witten are really close as of now. As for the Pro Bowl, there are many players that get "cheated", including our very own Terence Newman. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, so its all based on league-wide recognition.

Look, in my last post, I've said that Cooley and Witten are basically equal. What do you want me to say? That Cooley sucks?
I haven't misread you, I've been with you every step of the way.
Good night oh tired one!

[tr1]

Asks who the TE for the Rams was and instead of replying you post a copy paste job that had nothing to do with what was asked? Ok I gotcha

Ok, he worked with Winslow and Gonzales. In the two years with the Rams, he worked as WR coach (notice that he wasn't a TE coach, nor was he the head coach). :doh:

[2233boys]

He ain't no Chris Cooley**





























**I love being controversial
You are right he is 1000 times better than Cooley... You moron...

[2233boys]

Maybe I do need a nap...the only reason that I'm reiterating is because you guys obviously are misreading what I'm trying to say...

Cooley and Witten are really close as of now. As for the Pro Bowl, there are many players that get "cheated", including our very own Terence Newman. The Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, so its all based on league-wide recognition.

Look, in my last post, I've said that Cooley and Witten are basically equal. What do you want me to say? That Cooley sucks?
You are an idiot, because Witten is better than Cooley there is no close about it... Trying to be diplomatic on an opposing fans website is one thing, but being a complete ass monkey is another...

[Birdlives]

You are an idiot, because Witten is better than Cooley there is no close about it... Trying to be diplomatic on an opposing fans website is one thing, but being a complete ass monkey is another...


You are right he is 1000 times better than Cooley... You moron...

Wow. Your ability to debate and argue is profound.

Cooley and Witten are very close. I give Witten the edge for right now because he's been in the league a little longer and therefore produced more. It is, however, VERY close. You are being a cowboys homer if you don't believe that. Cooley and Witten are the two best up and coming TE's in the league and very close in ability and talent. When you can debate without calling people names maybe you'll get a little credit, until then, we'll just call you troll.

[WeownU]

Witten is better. No doubt about it. I"m curious to see how Cooley plays this year lining up as a true TE. His numbers could drastically go down. People will account for him if he lines up as a tight end. He got alot of YAC last year because he'd take a dump off pass and go for extra yardage. He could do this because nobody accounted for him.

[dfos81]

Witten is better. No doubt about it. I"m curious to see how Cooley plays this year lining up as a true TE. His numbers could drastically go down. People will account for him if he lines up as a tight end. He got alot of YAC last year because he'd take a dump off pass and go for extra yardage. He could do this because nobody accounted for him.
NO, actually Dallas is the only team that allowed him to go BUCK WILD! Lol 4 tds in 1 half. Witten may be a better talent, but Cooley is old school, and always seems to play good against the Cowgirls. All the other teams accounted for him, Dallas on the other hand forgot he was playing :laugh: and when they remembered he was wearing a Skins jerysey, they forgot how to tackle :laugh:
Just the fact that Cowboy fans are trying to compare the 2 speaks volumes for Cooley and his play of late. He's only a 4th rd pick, right?

[ArmchairRedskin]

Witten is better. No doubt about it. I"m curious to see how Cooley plays this year lining up as a true TE. His numbers could drastically go down. People will account for him if he lines up as a tight end. He got alot of YAC last year because he'd take a dump off pass and go for extra yardage. He could do this because nobody accounted for him.



How is there no doubt about it? Nobody accounted for him? Are you seriously saying a professional football team with countless hours of film on every player simply leaves players unaccounted for? Come on man. Stop making stuff up. There is no way you can prove without a doubt that Witten is better. They're so close it's not even funny.

[kingfish50]

I guess IF we're talking about shelling out a blockbuster deal for a 30 catch, 1 TD WR brought in as a FA? :whoknows:

Last time I checked Witten is a two time pro-bowl TE who has certainly earned his contract? :(
Yes, but is he really worth that amount of money?

[Jumbo]

First, my compliments to both sides of this sprited little thread. Good give-and-take stuff, regarding two very good players.


You are right he is 1000 times better than Cooley... You moron...


You are an idiot, because Witten is better than Cooley there is no close about it... Trying to be diplomatic on an opposing fans website is one thing, but being a complete ass monkey is another...

And the above is how not to do it. Popping into the thread late, contributing nothing BUT the silly insults of some 12 year old ---some such is often allowed in such threads on such topics with other team posters when it's in the context of other good posting arguments and evenly distributed without crossing too many lines.

The comments are also not helped by being so far off the mark, or your past warning. So it's a big lose-lose for 2233. See you in 30.

Carry on, men. :cheers:

[jrockster21]

Witten is better. No doubt about it. I"m curious to see how Cooley plays this year lining up as a true TE. His numbers could drastically go down. People will account for him if he lines up as a tight end. He got alot of YAC last year because he'd take a dump off pass and go for extra yardage. He could do this because nobody accounted for him.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

You make strides, but then you post something like this and totally regress back to trolldom. Are you SERIOUS???? :doh:

The TE position in Saunders' offense is basically an HBack -- the only difference is that he doesn't line up in the backfield.

I can't believe you said nobody accounted for Cooley last season. Yeah, that's it...:rolleyes: Where do you come up with this stuff??? :laugh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

Yes, but is he really worth that amount of money?

Top 5 Pro-Bowl TE! No doubt about it and are you really asking me if a player was worth what was shelled out? :)

[dfos81]

Top 5 Pro-Bowl TE! No doubt about it!

I've heard this before? I guess we'll see who's better on the field of play. Lets just hope your Cowgirls don't let a 4th rounder playing the H-back position get 4 tds in 1 game on you again :laugh:
Just that you guys are arguing the fact that Witten's better says alot about how far Cooley has come in only 2 seasons in the league. Lets just hope Dallas remembers to hold him and when they see him catch it, lets hope they know to tackle next :laugh: , b/c it seems to me that Dallas was the only team that couldn't figure out that we only had two guys to pass to last year :laugh:
Dallas fans that have to prove to us that Wittens better, sorry but you guys are sad :( . I know Wittens a better talent, bigger, more athletic...but thats the great thing about Gibbs coached teams, he doesn't need the biggest, fastest guys to win Superbowls. Can't wait to see this play out on the field! :dallasuck :point2sky

[THEHEREAFTER]

I've heard this before? I guess we'll see who's better on the field of play. Lets just hope your Cowgirls don't let a 4th rounder playing the H-back position get 4 tds in 1 game on you again :laugh:
Just that you guys are arguing the fact that Witten's better says alot about how far Cooley has come in only 2 seasons in the league. Lets just hope Dallas remembers to hold him and when they see him catch it, lets hope they know to tackle next :laugh: , b/c it seems to me that Dallas was the only team that couldn't figure out that we only had two guys to pass to last year :laugh:
Dallas fans that have to prove to us that Wittens better, sorry but you guys are sad :( . I know Wittens a better talent, bigger, more athletic...but thats the great thing about Gibbs coached teams, he doesn't need the biggest, fastest guys to win Superbowls. Can't wait to see this play out on the field! :dallasuck :point2sky


Woaaah Woaaaah. Did I argue who was better in this thread? Someone asked was Witten worth the money and I answered with a definitive yes! We Cowboy fans actually do have different screen names. Settle down there buddy. :doh: BTW, didn't Cooley score 3 and not 4 TD's against us?

[jrockster21]

I've heard this before? I guess we'll see who's better on the field of play. Lets just hope your Cowgirls don't let a 4th rounder playing the H-back position get 4 tds in 1 game on you again :laugh:
Just that you guys are arguing the fact that Witten's better says alot about how far Cooley has come in only 2 seasons in the league. Lets just hope Dallas remembers to hold him and when they see him catch it, lets hope they know to tackle next :laugh: , b/c it seems to me that Dallas was the only team that couldn't figure out that we only had two guys to pass to last year :laugh:
Dallas fans that have to prove to us that Wittens better, sorry but you guys are sad :( . I know Wittens a better talent, bigger, more athletic...but thats the great thing about Gibbs coached teams, he doesn't need the biggest, fastest guys to win Superbowls. Can't wait to see this play out on the field! :dallasuck :point2sky

Dog...Cooley was a 3rd rounder who scored 3TDs against them...not 4. Sellers scored the other TD that half. :doh:

[Live4Skins]

LOL I love threads like this one. "Hey man, my D*@k is bigger!


Cant wait to see what happens next.

:munchout:

Peace, HTTR & TITY!!!

[portis&taylor]

alright lets resign cooley now

[Dirk Diggler]

Witten is better. No doubt about it. I"m curious to see how Cooley plays this year lining up as a true TE. His numbers could drastically go down. People will account for him if he lines up as a tight end. He got alot of YAC last year because he'd take a dump off pass and go for extra yardage. He could do this because nobody accounted for him.

So lemme get this straight for the records- 3000+ yards for Brunell and they were mostly screens to Moss and dump offs to Cooley?

[dfos81]

Witten's going to get nothing but body aches and heart aches playing against the Skins twice a yr. Sorry about saying Cooley had 4 tds in 1 game against the Cowgirls, he only had 3 in 1 game. Really 1 half though :laugh:
We all know who the better talent is, too bad talent doesn't equal success for the Cowgirls.

[dfos81]

Heres some stats for thought,

Witten has started in 38 games total out of his 3 yr career, he has
13 tds.
Cooley, on the other hand has started 25 games in his 2 yr career and has 13 tds.

Cooley had the highest catch pct of balls thrown his way last season of any TE in the league w/ 69%.

Now I understand why Cowboy fans get so offended when we try and compare the two. They expect Witten to be as good if not better then Cooley :laugh:

1 question Cowgirl fans, What will you guys say when Cooley has the best yr of his career this season? I see most teams focusing in on Portis 1st, Moss 2nd, Lloyd 3rd. The only problem that we'll have is deciding on where we'll throw after the defense covers our 1st 3 options and we got ARE in the Slot and Cooley playing the TE. All I got to say is, GOOD LUCK stopping this yrs team. You guys couldn't stop last years team, what makes you so sure you'll be able to hang w/ an even more explosive team/coaches this year?

[SWFLSkins]

[QUOTE=dfos81]Heres some stats for thought,

Witten has started in 38 games total out of his 3 yr career, he has
13 tds.
Cooley, on the other hand has started 25 games in his 2 yr career and has 13 tds.

Cooley had the highest catch pct of balls thrown his way last season of any TE in the league w/ 69%.

WOW, THE REDSKINS REALLY HAVE A BARGAIN :whippin: :nutkick:

[Pocono]

:doh: :doh: :doh:

You make strides, but then you post something like this and totally regress back to trolldom. Are you SERIOUS???? :doh:

The TE position in Saunders' offense is basically an HBack -- the only difference is that he doesn't line up in the backfield.


Could you go into this in more depth Rockster because the standard definition of an H-Back is a combo of a TE and a FB so how can a TE be like an H-Back if he doesn't line up in the backfield?

BTW.....Anybody have any stats who how many balls Cooley caught when he lined up in the backfield as opposed to how many he caught when lined up as a traditional TE like Witten?

[tr1]

Could you go into this in more depth Rockster because the standard definition of an H-Back is a combo of a TE and a FB so how can a TE be like an H-Back if he doesn't line up in the backfield?

BTW.....Anybody have any stats who how many balls Cooley caught when he lined up in the backfield as opposed to how many he caught when lined up as a traditional TE like Witten?

Immaterial, Cooley and Witten are equal...though, Cooley is younger and plays for a better coach.

[AdamJT13]

Cooley had the highest catch pct of balls thrown his way last season of any TE in the league w/ 69%.

Witten's catch percentage was 74.2 percent.

There were five tight ends with higher catch percentages than Cooley -- Witten, Wiggens, Miller, Clark and Kinney.

[CowboysForLife]

You are an idiot, because Witten is better than Cooley there is no close about it... Trying to be diplomatic on an opposing fans website is one thing, but being a complete ass monkey is another...


Listen, last year, Cooley was almost as important to the Redskins as Witten was to the Cowboys. Yes, IMO, Witten is better. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I can see why others think Cooley is better.

Cooley had better numbers last year (IIRC), but that was because Witten had to stay in to block. I know Witten's better, but I don't know how MUCH better...

If we get a good OL, maybe we'll be able to finally figure that out. Until then, I'm saying Witten gets a close edge.

Come now, do we really have to be at each other's throats for this? This is some stupid offseason discussion. Don't let it get to your head...

[jrockster21]

Could you go into this in more depth Rockster because the standard definition of an H-Back is a combo of a TE and a FB so how can a TE be like an H-Back if he doesn't line up in the backfield?

BTW.....Anybody have any stats who how many balls Cooley caught when he lined up in the backfield as opposed to how many he caught when lined up as a traditional TE like Witten?


Sigh.......I miss Westbrook. At least his arguing was legible and he had some football knowledge...Sigh.....

I don't have the time to explain to you, Pocono, just search and you'll discover the truth.

[BigDFan5]

I've heard this before? I guess we'll see who's better on the field of play. Lets just hope your Cowgirls don't let a 4th rounder playing the H-back position get 4 tds in 1 game on you again :laugh:
Just that you guys are arguing the fact that Witten's better says alot about how far Cooley has come in only 2 seasons in the league. Lets just hope Dallas remembers to hold him and when they see him catch it, lets hope they know to tackle next :laugh: , b/c it seems to me that Dallas was the only team that couldn't figure out that we only had two guys to pass to last year :laugh:
Dallas fans that have to prove to us that Wittens better, sorry but you guys are sad :( . I know Wittens a better talent, bigger, more athletic...but thats the great thing about Gibbs coached teams, he doesn't need the biggest, fastest guys to win Superbowls. Can't wait to see this play out on the field! :dallasuck :point2sky



Are you sure you are a Skins fan? I mean you dont know when Cooley was drafted, you dont know how many TDs he scored in that game last year. kind of basic stuff

[Arsenic]

Let's see...

Witten is better than Cooley...

Glenn is better than Moss...

Parcells is better than Gibbs...

Ware was a better draft pick than Rogers...

Roy Williams is better than Sean Taylor...

Dallas has better depth at runningback...

Yet the Redskins somehow find a way to sweep the Cowboys last year. It's amazing how the Skins kept last years games competititive. Something doesn't add up here.

I guess it was due to all the injuries the Cowboys had. :doh:

[BigDFan5]

Cooley had the highest catch pct of balls thrown his way last season of any TE in the league w/ 69%.



Where do you get your stats because the ones I am looking at have him in 7th, Witten ranked 4th with 73%

[BigDFan5]

Immaterial, Cooley and Witten are equal...though, Cooley is younger and plays for a better coach.


Cooley is 2 months younger and 2 pro bowls lighter than Witten

[CowboysForLife]

Cooley is 2 months younger and 2 pro bowls lighter than Witten

Don't worry about tr1, he's too much of a homer to know anything...

It's impossible to convince them that Witten is better. Every non skins homer knows that Witten is better. You might as well just "succumb" to the great Chris Cooley and say that he's great. I found out the hard way that it's better to "agree" with the homers than actually argue a correct point...

[jrockster21]

Don't worry about tr1, he's too much of a homer to know anything...

It's impossible to convince them that Witten is better. Every non skins homer knows that Witten is better. You might as well just "succumb" to the great Chris Cooley and say that he's great. I found out the hard way that it's better to "agree" with the homers than actually argue a correct point...

Sigh...you were doing so well, but you regressed into homer-talk. Please, do us a favor and STFU about arguing with the homers...Cowboyszone is just as bad.

[CowboysForLife]

Sigh...you were doing so well, but you regressed into homer-talk. Please, do us a favor and STFU about arguing with the homers...Cowboyszone is just as bad.

Look at the threads that are talked about in "The Stadium" in ES. All of them are basically saying the same thing. "We will win the division, and win the Super Bowl." They've basically said that they've already won the Super Bowl, and now they worry about what commentators will say.

Listen, at CowboysZone, we won't take any crap from flamers like you. I've seen threads from you guys, "What can we do to piss them off? Oh, I know, I'll come up with *enter derogatory Cowboys comment* here!!!! That'll make them mad!!!!! And while we're at it, let's tell them that Lloyd is better than Owens!!!"

We make fun of the homers at CZ. You celebrate the ones here at ES.

Plus, just because you got thrown around like an unwanted ragdoll in any Cowboys/Redskins discussion there doesn't mean you have to hate us...:)

[THEHEREAFTER]

The funniest thing here is that a Cowboy fan cannot post a thread about an important signing in the NFL forum without a Witten vs. Cooley debate. Roy vs. ST, Brunell vs. Bledsoe so on and on.... it never ends.. :cool:

[TheKeyBlue]

Let's see...

Witten is better than Cooley...

Glenn is better than Moss...

Parcells is better than Gibbs...

Ware was a better draft pick than Rogers...

Roy Williams is better than Sean Taylor...

Dallas has better depth at runningback...

Yet the Redskins somehow find a way to sweep the Cowboys last year. It's amazing how the Skins kept last years games competititive. Something doesn't add up here.

I guess it was due to all the injuries the Cowboys had. :doh:


So your telling me that since the Skins lost to the Giants, every player on the Giants must be better? Some teams just don't match up well but have the better players. Skin homers, I love em. so quick to mention the sweep, but didnt want to hear it when they got swept 5 years in a row.

[jrockster21]

Look at the threads that are talked about in "The Stadium" in ES. All of them are basically saying the same thing. "We will win the division, and win the Super Bowl." They've basically said that they've already won the Super Bowl, and now they worry about what commentators will say.

Listen, at CowboysZone, we won't take any crap from flamers like you. I've seen threads from you guys, "What can we do to piss them off? Oh, I know, I'll come up with *enter derogatory Cowboys comment* here!!!! That'll make them mad!!!!! And while we're at it, let's tell them that Lloyd is better than Owens!!!"

We make fun of the homers at CZ. You celebrate the ones here at ES.

Plus, just because you got thrown around like an unwanted ragdoll in any Cowboys/Redskins discussion there doesn't mean you have to hate us...:)


The funniest thing here is that a Cowboy fan cannot post a thread about an important signing in the NFL forum without a Witten vs. Cooley debate. Roy vs. ST, Brunell vs. Bledsoe so on and on.... it never ends.. :cool:


Spare us. :rolleyes:

Leave it to Cowboys fans..."ES is filled with homers, but CZ.com is filled with 100% objective posters!" PLEASE. Its homertown over there, and you know it. As far as making fun of the homers, 5Stars posts the most ridiculously flaming things on CZ.com and gets applauded. But we celebrate homers here....right. :rolleyes:

If you don't like it, GTFO! Thanks in advance...

PS -- please read back to where I corrected dfos in this thread, a Redskin fan. I've done that many other times in this forum as well.

[CowboysForLife]

Spare us. :rolleyes:

Leave it to Cowboys fans..."ES is filled with homers, but CZ.com is filled with 100% objective posters!" PLEASE. Its homertown over there, and you know it. As far as making fun of the homers, 5Stars posts the most ridiculously flaming things on CZ.com and gets applauded. But we celebrate homers here....right. :rolleyes:

If you don't like it, GTFO! Thanks in advance...

PS -- please read back to where I corrected dfos in this thread, a Redskin fan. I've done that many other times in this forum as well.

Because, 5Stars posts things in favor of the Cowboys. You have posters who flame things against the Cowboys (so it's in favor of the Redskins), and nothing happens to them. Things happen that way when you're posting IN FAVOR OF THE BOARD's TEAM!

Ok, for example. On CZ, HH31 is always beaten like a rented mule, but bubba, basically his exact counterpart, is hailed as the ES God...even when he spews out ridiculous statements like "Lloyd is a better receiver than T.O." (BTW, clear as day, he did say that, don't spin it.)

We like it here for entertainment. That's about it though...

[jrockster21]

Because, 5Stars posts things in favor of the Cowboys. You have posters who flame things against the Cowboys (so it's in favor of the Redskins), and nothing happens to them. Things happen that way when you're posting IN FAVOR OF THE BOARD's TEAM!

Ok, for example. On CZ, HH31 is always beaten like a rented mule, but bubba, basically his exact counterpart, is hailed as the ES God...even when he spews out ridiculous statements like "Lloyd is a better receiver than T.O." (BTW, clear as day, he did say that, don't spin it.)

Bubba is widely known as a homer, but does make valid points from time to time. He has been with the site for a long time, and for awhile was the primary news-hound on the site. This is why he is a superstar over here, not because of his football knowledge.

Basically, you hit the nail on the head. It depends on what board you're on. There are plenty of homers and flamers on CZ.com, just like there are here. You just happen to agree with the homers over there. We happen to agree with the homers over here. I go to CZ.com for entertainment as well....its damn funny to read the homeristic BS that gets posted on the regular. But I try to take the site seriously, whereas you seem to just want to flame over here.


We like it here for entertainment. That's about it though...

Do us all a favor and go rent a movie or something instead....thanks.

[CowboysForLife]

Bubba is widely known as a homer, but does make valid points from time to time. He has been with the site for a long time, and for awhile was the primary news-hound on the site. This is why he is a superstar over here, not because of his football knowledge.

Basically, you hit the nail on the head. It depends on what board you're on. There are plenty of homers and flamers on CZ.com, just like there are here. You just happen to agree with the homers over there. We happen to agree with the homers over here. I go to CZ.com for entertainment as well....its damn funny to read the homeristic BS that gets posted on the regular. But I try to take the site seriously, whereas you seem to just want to flame over here.



Do us all a favor and go rent a movie or something instead....thanks.


There is one thing though. You won't get more than 30 people on CZ saying the Cowboys will go to the Super Bowl. 80% of you believe you will go to the Super Bowl

Movies aren't as interactive as angry Redskins fans...

[jrockster21]

There is one thing though. You won't get more than 30 people on CZ saying the Cowboys will go to the Super Bowl. 80% of you believe you will go to the Super Bowl

1) I highly doubt only 30 CZ.com members think the Boys will go to the superbowl. :rolleyes:

2) 80% of Skins fans do think that?? Come on now...stop making stuff up. It makes you look worse than you already did.

3) Skins fans who do believe that this or next year is the year, have good reason. You at CZ.com like to discredit those reasons, simply because its the Skins, and you hate us. That's cool...when we have great success this year again, and the Cowboys are watching from home, remember this thread.


Movies aren't as interactive as angry Redskins fans...

Then go find an arcade near your house...I know you're only 15, but maybe mommy will drop you off...

[dallasfanforlife]

Do us all a favor and go rent a movie or something instead....thanks.

I just sat through Pulp Fiction and Seven, two of my all time favs, then i couldnt sleep so i see whats going on with the crazies at es...and i tell ya, this is more entertaining.....there is homers, and there is nut jobs...then off in the distance from nut jobs you can find es members.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Spare us. :rolleyes:

Leave it to Cowboys fans..."ES is filled with homers, but CZ.com is filled with 100% objective posters!" PLEASE. Its homertown over there, and you know it. As far as making fun of the homers, 5Stars posts the most ridiculously flaming things on CZ.com and gets applauded. But we celebrate homers here....right. :rolleyes:

If you don't like it, GTFO! Thanks in advance...

PS -- please read back to where I corrected dfos in this thread, a Redskin fan. I've done that many other times in this forum as well.


Not accusing you of anything man.. :laugh: What's gotten into you and Bubba man? Testy, testy... Just finding the irony and the humor in the inevitable Witten/Cooley, Bledsoe/Brunell, and of course the infamous Roy/ST debates that seem to start at the very mention of one of the players names no matter the intent of what was spoken and yes these very same debates exist over on CZ! Shheessh! I can't imagine what the debates will be like when Dallas spanks the skins week 2.. :D

[Who Del]

You guys haven't seen homers til you've been on the official Eagles board.

TATErs are the worst.

[CowboysForLife]

Then go find an arcade near your house...I know you're only 15, but maybe mommy will drop you off...

Is this the best you've got? I've seen worse.

[jrockster21]

Not accusing you of anything man.. :laugh: What's gotten into you and Bubba man? Testy, testy... Just finding the irony and the humor in the inevitable Witten/Cooley, Bledsoe/Brunell, and of course the infamous Roy/ST debates that seem to start at the very mention of one of the players name no matter the intent of what was spoken and yes these very same debates exist over on CZ! Shheessh! I can't imagine what the debates will be like when Dallas spanks the skins week 2.. :D

I'm ****ing tired of hearing about how ES is filled with homers and CZ is not. Its ****ing ridiculous. The Skins have improved EVERY WEAKNESS this offseason, and have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs, and even win it all. Nobody can tell what will happen during the season, so its all speculation. But we've got every right to speculate.

[dallasfanforlife]

I'm ****ing tired of hearing about how ES is filled with homers and CZ is not. Its ****ing ridiculous. The Skins have improved EVERY WEAKNESS this offseason, and have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs, and even win it all. Nobody can tell what will happen during the season, so its all speculation. But we've got every right to speculate.


yep, as long as you know....its just spekle.....ation.

And Dallas fans have that same right. We feel (at least i do) that we are every bit as good as Wash, NY and Philly coming into the season. Now as Cowboyfanforlife pointed out.....less Boys fans in the Zone think we are going to the SB, then ES fans do (well you guys seem to have your tickets in hand), and as it was pointed out in many threads the so-called-experts agree with us........(as far as winning the nfc east that is)..

[CowboysForLife]

I'm ****ing tired of hearing about how ES is filled with homers and CZ is not. Its ****ing ridiculous. The Skins have improved EVERY WEAKNESS this offseason, and have a legitimate shot to go deep into the playoffs, and even win it all. Nobody can tell what will happen during the season, so its all speculation. But we've got every right to speculate.

So do we, right?

[Arsenic]

I just think it's ironic that all of these superior players and coaches reside in Dallas - in the eyes of Dallas fans and the media - all of these pro bowlers, superior draft picks, and superior free agent additions are added, over the last two years, yet, somehow the Skins managed to compete with the Cowboys last year. (Compete is an understatement)

Honestly, I wasn't trying to gloat about the sweep, I was using it as an example to prove my point.

It just doesn't add up. Call me crazy...


So your telling me that since the Skins lost to the Giants, every player on the Giants must be better? Some teams just don't match up well but have the better players. Skin homers, I love em. so quick to mention the sweep, but didnt want to hear it when they got swept 5 years in a row.

I wouldn't make the comparison with the Giants, because we destroyed the Giants at the end of the season, and we made it further than they did in the playoffs.

As far as the 5 year streak, do you think we havn't heard about that? Every national newspaper and radio station in the country talked about that streak for many years; unfortunately, for Cowboy fans, that's all they have on the Skins' these days - the distant past.

[Jumbo]

Just out of curiosity, TheHereAfter, and I'll trust you to be honest, if a couple of ES'ers were on CZ in a thread calling the board out as repeatedly as being full of the worst homerz, or being a joke of a place, or that the only reason they drop by is because the site is so ridiculous and the members so laughable...as two of our visitors here keep doing...would the mods do anything?

[jrockster21]

Just out of curiosity, TheHereAfter, and I'll trust you to be honest, if a couple of ES'ers were on CZ in a thread calling the board out as repeatedly as being full of the worst homerz, or being a joke of a place, or that the only reason they drop by is because the site is so ridiculous and the members so laughable...as two of our visitors here keep doing...would the mods do anything?

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

I'm curious about the same thing...

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Kosher Ham]

Why do so many of these Cowboys fans sign up here under different names ? I have never understood that.

Good signing of Witten. Now you have a TE locked up.

Is Williams next or will he move on to wherever the bigger dollars are?

[Pocono]

Sigh.......I miss Westbrook. At least his arguing was legible and he had some football knowledge...Sigh.....

I don't have the time to explain to you, Pocono, just search and you'll discover the truth.

I wasn't arguing Rockster. Just asking a question about a point that didn't make much sense to me. I see in reviewing your point it didn't make much sense to you either so instead of admitting it you attack. I miss Westbrook too and hope he's doing well in Iraq. At least when Westbrook was posting we had someone posting from Hawaii that knew his ass from a Volcano. You certainly don't.

[dallasfanforlife]

Why do so many of these Cowboys fans sign up here under different names ? I have never understood that.

Good signing of Witten. Now you have a TE locked up.

Is Williams next or will he move on to wherever the bigger dollars are?

Not sure if Williams is next to sign or not...i hope he is, but you never know. I love the guy and what he stands for and i hope he is a Cowboy for life!

Not sure about what you mean with Cowboy fans and different names? I signed up here to get something more out of a fan forum then just homer fans talking about how great Dallas is and how they will go to the SB.....I am not one to just gush and gush and gush over the Cowboys........now then i came here and its at a whole other level.

[Kosher Ham]

Not sure about what you mean with Cowboy fans and different names? I signed up here to get something more out of a fan forum then just homer fans talking about how great Dallas is and how they will go to the SB.....I am not one to just gush and gush and gush over the Cowboys........now then i came here and its at a whole other level.

Are you a member of CZ ?

[dallasfanforlife]

I register last night...err this morning at 1:00 am. I havent read it or posted on it yet. why?

[Birdlives]

:rolleyes:

Y'all need to get over yourselves. There are just as many if not more cowboys homers on here and in CZ as there are ES memebers. The only reason most of you are over here is because CZ is like a desert. Way more activity over here. I saw a CZ homer complaining about the stringent regime of the CZ mods. I also saw more cowboys homers projecting the cowboys into the playoffs and SB than you could imagine. By there estimation every hole has been filled with pro bowl caliber players. Let go of the myth and embrace the reality.

:laugh:

[WeownU]

Heres some stats for thought,

Witten has started in 38 games total out of his 3 yr career, he has
13 tds.
Cooley, on the other hand has started 25 games in his 2 yr career and has 13 tds.




Quit comparing touchdowns. Touchdowns are the most useless stat there is in determining who is a better player. This isn't fantasy football. Who gets to score has more to do with what scheme's your offensive coordinator likes to run in the redzone. Walter Payton has 0 touchdowns in the superbowl. Refrdigerator Perry has 1 td in the superbowl. Does that make the fridge a better runningback?

Here's a stat for you since you likes TD stats so much

Clinton Portis 11 td's
Shuan ALexander 27 td's

Does that make Alexander a better runningback? Nope. It means when the Seahawks get close, they hand the ball off to Shaun........alot. Even is Shuan is better than Clinton, which you could make the case, he most certainly isn't 16 TD's per year better.

Same thing holds true for Cooley vs Witten.

Look at the complete picture not just td's. Over the last 2 years

Witten 1700+ yards
20 plays over 20+ yards
1 play over 40 yards
88 first downs

Cooley
1100 yards
9 plays over 20+ yards
0 plays over 40 yards
67 first downs.

Sorry, they're not close. Witten is better.

Cooley is a great young talent, but don't put him in Canton yet.

[dfos81]

Quit comparing touchdowns. Touchdowns are the most useless stat there is in determining who is a better player. This isn't fantasy football. Who gets to score has more to do with what scheme's your offensive coordinator likes to run in the redzone. Walter Payton has 0 touchdowns in the superbowl. Refrdigerator Perry has 1 td in the superbowl. Does that make the fridge a better runningback?

Here's a stat for you since you likes TD stats so much

Clinton Portis 11 td's
Shuan ALexander 27 td's

Does that make Alexander a better runningback? Nope. It means when the Seahawks get close, they hand the ball off to Shaun........alot. Even is Shuan is better than Clinton, which you could make the case, he most certainly isn't 16 TD's per year better.

Same thing holds true for Cooley vs Witten.

Look at the complete picture not just td's. Over the last 2 years

Witten 1700+ yards
20 plays over 20+ yards
1 play over 40 yards
88 first downs

Cooley
1100 yards
9 plays over 20+ yards
0 plays over 40 yards
67 first downs.

Sorry, they're not close. Witten is better.

Cooley is a great young talent, but don't put him in Canton yet.

yeah but Wittens started 13 more games. Just admit it Cooley's better :D

[SeanTaylor]

COOOOOOOOOLLEEEYYYYYYYY

[THEHEREAFTER]

Just out of curiosity, TheHereAfter, and I'll trust you to be honest, if a couple of ES'ers were on CZ in a thread calling the board out as repeatedly as being full of the worst homerz, or being a joke of a place, or that the only reason they drop by is because the site is so ridiculous and the members so laughable...as two of our visitors here keep doing...would the mods do anything?

It all depends on their tenure and tone Jumbo. Honestly, I haven't witnessed anyone get banned over at CZ although I know it happens. If a visitor is warned yet continues to push too I'm thinking the mods would have to act on it?

[Birdlives]

It all depends on their tenure and tone Jumbo. Honestly, I haven't witnessed anyone get banned over at CZ although I know it happens. If a visitor is warned yet continues to push too I'm thinking the mods would have to act on it?

Sort of misleading isn't it? No one witnesses a ban unless the Mods care to disclose the banning. People just disappear.

[Jumbo]

It all depends on their tenure and tone Jumbo. Honestly, I haven't witnessed anyone get banned over at CZ although I know it happens. If a visitor is warned yet continues to push too I'm thinking the mods would have to act on it?

Thanks THA. Tenure and tone has a lot to do with it here, for me.

My default position comes from not being stupid: most of the better NFL boards are going to be more the same than not, including the "type" of fanbase and how they are moderated. I think this one has the best basic features for its fans and the best access to the team of any I've seen.

Most kinds of team vs. team smack don't bother me at all, but just reaction wise, I feel like someone is really disrespecting my house when they come to this site and crap on this site , especially without offering much else. I get that old feeling that I wish I was actually in a room with them when I see too much of that, and I never say that kind of stuff for effect. :laugh: Its good to still be glandular at times ;) .

[bubba9497]

Bubba is widely known as a homer, but does make valid points from time to time. He has been with the site for a long time, and for awhile was the primary news-hound on the site. This is why he is a superstar over here, not because of his football knowledge.
.


I am just the board's lovable old coot

time to time?

:doh: et tu jrock?

[Who Del]

I am just the board's lovable old coot

time to time?

:doh: et tu jrock?

If it makes you feel any better I've always thought you were a home and a lovable old coot. The best of both worlds bubba

[THEHEREAFTER]

Sort of misleading isn't it? No one witnesses a ban unless the Mods care to disclose the banning. People just disappear.

I wasn't trying to deceive you Birdlives. :rolleyes: I just don't follow who gets banned and who doesn't. For the most part, the skins posters at CZ are pretty cool.

[bubba9497]

If it makes you feel any better I've always thought you were a home and a lovable old coot. The best of both worlds bubba


:laugh:

[WeownU]

No disrespect Bubba, but just out of curiosity, where do you find so much time to have 44,000 posts? You must be independantly wealthy or something.

I find that I spend way too much time on this site and not enough time on work. So I look at your post tally and think "whoa", now there's a guy who is either retired, or doesn't get much work done.

As far as this site vs the CZ site, I think there are defintely more homers here, than over there, but that could just be my perception. The fact is, this is a better message board than that one. Hands down, not even close.

[tr1]

No disrespect Bubba, but just out of curiosity, where do you find so much time to have 44,000 posts? You must be independantly wealthy or something.

I find that I spend way too much time on this site and not enough time on work. So I look at your post tally and think "whoa", now there's a guy who is either retired, or doesn't get much work done.

As far as this site vs the CZ site, I think there are defintely more homers here, than over there, but that could just be my perception. The fact is, this is a better message board than that one. Hands down, not even close.

Bubba is Bill Gates.

[WeownU]

:laugh:
Bubba is Bill Gates.

[bubba9497]

No disrespect Bubba, but just out of curiosity, where do you find so much time to have 44,000 posts? You must be independantly wealthy or something.

I find that I spend way too much time on this site and not enough time on work. So I look at your post tally and think "whoa", now there's a guy who is either retired, or doesn't get much work done.

As far as this site vs the CZ site, I think there are defintely more homers here, than over there, but that could just be my perception. The fact is, this is a better message board than that one. Hands down, not even close.


I am retired and now work from home, and do most of my stuff online, so I always have ES up in a window.

Since I am my own boss (when the wife isn't home) I don't have to worry about someone looking over my shoulder.

Plus I have several computers all over the house online, so no matter what I am doing, I have access to ES :D (except the bathroom, before someone makes a joke)


but don't let that post count fool you, 3/4 of those are where I used to post news in fed-ex, and Breaking news... I would get two hits each time I posted an article. That kind of skews the scale :silly:

[bubba9497]

Bubba is Bill Gates.



I wish :wish:

[MondayNightCowboyKilla89]

He's better than Cooley...

Funny.. i don't remember Witten running over OUR d-backs for three touchdowns during a crucial playoff stretch :dallasuck :helmet: :logo:

[WeownU]

I am retired and now work from home, and do most of my stuff online, so I always have ES up in a window.

Since I am my own boss (when the wife isn't home) I don't have to worry about someone looking over my shoulder.

Plus I have several computers all over the house online, so no matter what I am doing, I have access to ES :D (except the bathroom, before someone makes a joke)


but don't let that post count fool you, 3/4 of those are where I used to post news in fed-ex, and Breaking news... I would get two hits each time I posted an article. That kind of skews the scale :silly:

Gotcha. I figured you had to do something at home with that many posts. Even if you divided by two......thats alot of posts.

Working at home sounds like a heckuva deal. Actually that would probably be a good thread to start....what people do for a living. I would think that most of the members here would be able to find great business contacts, in the DC area anyway since the majority of the people live up there, maybe you all can help each other out somehow.

[MondayNightCowboyKilla89]

When Parcells does leave for upstate New York, I wouldnt mind bringing back Johnson at all.

Too bad Jones would.

That's because Jones is a shmuck

[CowboysForLife]

That's because Jones is a shmuck

Hey now...he's a SUCCESSFUL schmuck.