news on patrick ramsey,including pics [Archive]

chow184

July-29th-2006, 08:53 AM

from reading jets forums ramsey looked really good in his first day of training camp

guess who's winning the QB race? http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/54_349747.jpg

other pics of ramsey
http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/c111.jpg
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http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/gallery/files/3/2/0/1/b14.jpg
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Hooper

July-29th-2006, 10:02 AM

We must have been reading different posts. On ganggreen.com and the Jets insider site you linked to, the consensus was --

Pennington started off terrible but improved as day one went on. His surgically-repaired arm apparently needs time to warm up before he can throw the ball more than five yards.

"Ramsey has an arm and no touch." He threw some nice balls... and overthrew Coles a couple of times. BTW, does anyone miss LC? Didn't think so.

Clemens clearly looked the best. Just like he did in mini-camp. Described by practice watchers as having "Chad's head with Ramsey's arm."

CPstretch

July-29th-2006, 11:39 AM

he just looks weird in a jets uni

JoeSkins

July-29th-2006, 12:25 PM

he just looks weird in a jets uni

Agreed, it's just unnatural. I liked Patrick and hope he wins a job there. Hopefully he won't get chased out of town by a youngster (specifically Clemons) like he did in the past with Losman and Campbell.

July-29th-2006, 12:30 PM

Regardless of the fundky colors and all the exhausting history ... gotta admit it's good to see Pat on a football field again. Even if the helmet they gave him IS like two sizes too big.

Sweet Sassy Molassy

July-29th-2006, 12:50 PM

Regardless of the fundky colors and all the exhausting history ... gotta admit it's good to see Pat on a football field again. Even if the helmet they gave him IS like two sizes too big.
I agree, I will actually clap for him when I see him at the PreSeason game. He's been nothing but class, and I respect that he did his best to help this team win ... even if it wasn't the outcome.

Warhead36

July-29th-2006, 12:58 PM

I hope GW takes it easy on him in preseason.

Tommy-the-Greek

July-29th-2006, 12:59 PM

Here in Central NJ I get to see all the Jet games on regular TV. I will be watching the Jet games this year that aren't opposite Skin games and cheering Patrick on. All the Jet fans I talk to say Patrick will start the season, but Clemens will eventually be the long term starter.

Raub

July-29th-2006, 01:01 PM

I still think that hammering he took under Spurrier set him back a few years. I like Patrick and hope he does well this year.

MikeSellers45

July-29th-2006, 02:43 PM

I feel sorry for Patrick. I thought he was going to be big for us but the Redskins killed his early career. Spurrier din't have an O-line to protect his QB, changed the QB every couple of games, and had a college offense in the pros. Then when Gibbs came, everything looked good because he announced him as the future of the team but then brought in a veteran so Ramsey didn't even have a chance at starting. I can't believe he put up with the Skins for that long. Hopefully he can turn hs career around and become a great QB with the Jets. I will root for him, except against the Skins, because he seems like a good and classy guy. Best of luck to you Pat in New York.

Skins4481

July-29th-2006, 02:49 PM

SkinsNatsFan

July-29th-2006, 03:07 PM

Go Patrick! Sounds good so far. I hope by the end of the preseason he's the unquestioned starter!

And yes, that helmet look big. I wonder if he's got extra padding inside.

illone

July-29th-2006, 04:07 PM

Me thinks Kellen Clemens is the best QB to have graced the Jets sidelines in a long time and me thinks that's going to be proven on the field very soon.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-29th-2006, 04:13 PM

DieselPwr44

July-29th-2006, 05:51 PM

Sweet Sassy Molassy

July-29th-2006, 05:54 PM

Mass_SkinsFan

July-29th-2006, 06:49 PM

Well you're just quite the sunshine today, aren't you? ;)

I'm a ray of sunshine EVERY day SSM.

Patricia Ramsey is one of the few people to ever play for the Redskins that I've actively rooted against even while they were playing for us. One of the few people on the team I love who I've rooted for to get injured.

David Patten and Christian Fauria are on that list as well.

chow184

July-29th-2006, 08:07 PM

dfbovey

July-29th-2006, 09:17 PM

Patricia Ramsey is one of the few people to ever play for the Redskins that I've actively rooted against even while they were playing for us. One of the few people on the team I love who I've rooted for to get injured.

David Patten and Christian Fauria are on that list as well.

What's it like to be a waste of human flesh?

Something I would expect to hear from battery throwing Eagles fans.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-29th-2006, 09:44 PM

chow & dfbovey,

I'm a different sort of fan than you are, obviously. I understand that YES, the game IS life and death. Actually, that's not true. It's MUCH MORE important than life and death. Patricia Ramsey was a huge sea anchor on this franchise. She was a bum when we drafted her in the first round. She was a bum when she couldn't beat out a pair of never were's from Florida for the starting QB position. She was a turnover and loss machine whe she was on the field. Last year she couldn't even beat out a has been and a rookie for the starting QB position. Patricia Ramsey did nothing but bring this team down simply by being on the roster. She was a friggin virus destroying this team from the inside.

I'm sorry but I expect quite a bit out of First Round Draft Picks, regardless of whether they're the #1 pick or the #32 pick. Ramsey never even came close to meeting those expectations. Mr. Campbell is getting close to earning my wrath as well, for similar reasons. We traded too much away for him to be able to draft him at #25 for him to be the #3 QB again this year.

project myu

July-29th-2006, 09:57 PM

:doh: :doh:

whatmeworry

July-29th-2006, 10:14 PM

Ah, Patrick Ramsey.... the single biggest waste of a first round pick in Redskins history. .

did you forget

Michael Westbrook
Rod Gardner
Desmond Howard

or

Heath Shuler????

illone

July-29th-2006, 10:28 PM

Mr. Campbell is getting close to earning my wrath as well, for similar reasons. We traded too much away for him to be able to draft him at #25 for him to be the #3 QB again this year.

Mass,

Come on now. You can't even compare Ramsey with Campbell, and I'll give you a great reason: Gibbs.

Gibbs would have never taken Patricia to begin with.:laugh:

It's safe to assume Ramsey's entire career would have turned out different if Gibbs had drafted him, too. No way would he have been thrust into starting detail so soon as he would have been on the shelf learning and growing the same way Jason is currently.

Just hold off on judging Jason for right now. I hope you see the flaw in what you typed. As for the rest of your post, I agree. Pat was a waste. Even if it's Spurriers fault what's done is done and Pat had every opportunity here to step up and become the QB many here though he was to begin with. So for that I am glad he's gone. Million dollar arm with a 10¢ head.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Clemens, a 2nd round pick, pass Ramsey this season. That should once and for all seal the deal on Ramsey.

jimster

July-29th-2006, 10:34 PM

Ramsey didn't even have a chance at starting.

This time last year he was named the starter. - It was his job to lose and he lost it.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 08:48 AM

Mass,

Come on now. You can't even compare Ramsey with Campbell, and I'll give you a great reason: Gibbs.

Gibbs would have never taken Patricia to begin with.:laugh:

I disagree. The coach really isn't that important in all of this, so far as I am concerned. We are talking about a pair of First Round Draft Picks. So far as I am concerned, a First Round Draft Pick should be able to come in and contribute to the team IMMEDIATELY, regardless of whether we're talking about a long snapper or a quarterback. If there's some sort of physical issue in the rookie season, that's one thing, and they better be making serious contrubutions to the team in the second season then.

Yes, I know and understand that Coach Gibbs does not even entertain the idea of starting rookie quarterbacks. I'm well aware of that. Which is why I don't believe we should have been drafting a QB in the First Round to begin with.

It's safe to assume Ramsey's entire career would have turned out different if Gibbs had drafted him, too. No way would he have been thrust into starting detail so soon as he would have been on the shelf learning and growing the same way Jason is currently.

Again, so far as I am concerned if a First Round Draft Pick isn't good enough to be on the field and contributing IMMEDIATELY, they shouldn't be a First Round selection, regardless of whether we're talking about #1 or #32. There is no longer the luxury of holding onto a player for two or three years before they are productive in the new era NFL. These players have to be able to come in and contribute from Day #1. Whether it's Jason Campbell or Patricia Ramsey.

Just hold off on judging Jason for right now. I hope you see the flaw in what you typed. As for the rest of your post, I agree. Pat was a waste. Even if it's Spurriers fault what's done is done and Pat had every opportunity here to step up and become the QB many here though he was to begin with. So for that I am glad he's gone. Million dollar arm with a 10¢ head.

This is Year #2 for Campbell. We traded away two picks to move up to #25 in the First Round last year; we better get some sort of return on that investment this year or he's going in the "bust" category with Ramsey for me.

Regardless of the circumstances it's the quarterback's job to take the team on their shoulders and make them win. Patricia never could do that. Hell, he never even bothered to try and take the team on his shoulders.

I
wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Clemens, a 2nd round pick, pass Ramsey this season. That should once and for all seal the deal on Ramsey.

Actually, not that he's gone I really couldn't care all that much what Ramsey does. He's no longer part of the team I root for, and I'm a fan of the Redskins, not the NFL so what becomes of him is really not my concern.

DieselPwr44

July-30th-2006, 09:45 AM

This is Year #2 for Campbell. We traded away two picks to move up to #25 in the First Round last year; we better get some sort of return on that investment this year or he's going in the "bust" category with Ramsey for me.

So if he wins the #2 spot this year and then next year becomes the starter for the next ten years, is he still a bust??

Ever consider decompressing just a little bit??

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 09:58 AM

So if he wins the #2 spot this year and then next year becomes the starter for the next ten years, is he still a bust??

Actually, if Campbell were to go out and WIN the #2 spot in training camp and push Brunell a little for the #1, I wouldn't be too concerned. I wouldn't be HAPPY, but I wouldn't consider him a bust just yet.

Unfortunately from the things I have read to this point, he's still #3 on the depth chart behind a QB whose parents arrived in the United States on the Mayflower and a career backup whose sole credential to be #2 is that he played under our new OC with his prior team. Where's the kid with the big arm and quick feet that we drafted last year? You know, the guy who learned four different offenses in four years in college. The guy who was supposed to be able to pick up any system thrown at him? Hmmmm?

If Campbell remains at #3 on the depth chart going into this season he's a bust in my mind. That's two full offseasons as a professional and he still doesn't know enough to even be the #2 guy. Oh, and YES, if he reaches that "bust" level in my mind, it's permanent. I've said it about Ramsey in the past... He could have won us 10 Super Bowls, his initial performance in DC made him a bust in my mind and he never would have been anything else.

Ever consider decompressing just a little bit??

Nope. It's that level of "compression" as you see it that keeps a person on their toes and ready for whatever life throws at them.

Sweet Sassy Molassy

July-30th-2006, 10:13 AM

If Campbell remains at #3 on the depth chart going into this season he's a bust in my mind. That's two full offseasons as a professional and he still doesn't know enough to even be the #2 guy. Oh, and YES, if he reaches that "bust" level in my mind, it's permanent. I've said it about Ramsey in the past... He could have won us 10 Super Bowls, his initial performance in DC made him a bust in my mind and he never would have been anything else.

Holy **** you're dumb as ****! I'm sorry, but that was the most asinine thing I've ever read.

So, basically you're saying that if someone starts off badly, but turns it around and becomes great, it doesn't matter, those first few years make them a bust. By that logic Rod Gardner is the best ever, judging by his first 2 years with the team.

You know, I look at your posts, and I say, "Well that's just him, why even be surprised anymore?", but then you dig even deeper into the bag of stupidity that you call your brain, and come up with a doozy like this.

Birdlives

July-30th-2006, 10:14 AM

Ah, Patrick Ramsey.... the single biggest waste of a first round pick in Redskins history. The man who couldn't have beat out a has been and a never was to win the starting job in Washington.

There's only two things I have to say about Patrick Ramsey....

1. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!!!!

2. I hope he gets the crap kicked out of him every time he steps on the field.

Actually, you should be applying this post to Heath Shuler, not Ramsey.

Pat Ramsey is and was a true class act. He didn't work out here, I wish him the best of luck in NY.

DieselPwr44

July-30th-2006, 10:17 AM

Nope. It's that level of "compression" as you see it that keeps a person on their toes and ready for whatever life throws at them.

It's that level of compression that lands you with a heart attack by age 45.....

Gallntfox

July-30th-2006, 10:17 AM

Ah, Patrick Ramsey.... the single biggest waste of a first round pick in Redskins history.

Peope don't often mention 1st round pick Andre Johnson out of Penn State from the 1996 draft. We tend to think of the players that actually made it on to the field and didnt meet expectations. The Skins were looking for a big left tackle to step in for Lachey and they actually gave up the 7th pick in the 2nd round and their 3rd rounder to Dallas to move from the 7th pick in the 2nd round to the 30th pick in the first round where they selected Johnson. In 96 he was inactive for 15 games and didn't play the only game he dressed. Norv Turner waived Johnson in August of '97 after a horrible preseason outing without him ever having played in a regular season NFL game.

Now....what's the single biggest waste of first round pick? Not to mention a 3rd rounder thrown in to move up less 9 spots so they could draft Johnson?

illone

July-30th-2006, 10:23 AM

Actually, if Campbell were to go out and WIN the #2 spot in training camp and push Brunell a little for the #1, I wouldn't be too concerned. I wouldn't be HAPPY, but I wouldn't consider him a bust just yet.

Mass,

This is what I meant by "waiting to pass judgement". I'm under the assumption that camp will answer many of the unknowns about Campbell. Even lately when Gibbs was asked about Jason he commented that it would be an open competition in camp. I expect Campbell should emerge as the locked #2 QB, breathing down the neck of Brunell for the starting job.

In other words I'll start to be concerned if there isn't some sort of QB controversy in the near future:laugh:. This is what I meant by holding off judgement.

Gibbs is important to the discussion. You can't just ignore the facts that already brought us three Lombardi trophies. Those same concepts apply here. I'm sure you wouldn't trade those trophies we have in the case simply to get a QB on the field. You don't rush a QB's development simply because you traded up in the draft for him. Regardless of how he was attained he's still a guy on the roster playing the most important position in football. Would it be so bad if Gibbs turned Campbell into a Theismann, or a Doug Williams?

Would you be upset if he sat on the bench for another two seasons, then came in and won a Superbowl for us?

I understand your concern about the price we paid for Jason, I just don't understand why Gibbs track record doesn't put you more at ease about it.

Regardless, Campbell should emerge as the locked #2 and if there isn't a good ol QB controversy this pre-season between Brunell and Jason then I'll start to worry.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 10:31 AM

Pat Ramsey is and was a true class act. He didn't work out here, I wish him the best of luck in NY.

I don't care if he was Mother Theresa or Hannibal Lector, HE DIDN'T GET THE JOB DONE. That's all that matters. He was a First Round pick and he couldn't get the job done. If he'd been a 4th or 5th round pick, where his talent level indicates he SHOULD have been selected, there wouldn't be such a problem in my mind. We had like the #15 pick in the First Round that year. We traded down twice, so I have to assume that Ramsey is who they wanted from the start. We could have had our pick from a much broader selection of players at #15 but we traded down and got a steaming pile of :pooh: instead.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 10:38 AM

Holy **** you're dumb as ****! I'm sorry, but that was the most asinine thing I've ever read.

SSM, if that's the most asinine thing you've ever read, you haven't read as many of my posts as you think you have. Ask someone like Predicto, who used to know me when I was on another board. They'll give you some whoppers and a quick search through my posts here should find a couple others as well.

So, basically you're saying that if someone starts off badly, but turns it around and becomes great, it doesn't matter, those first few years make them a bust. By that logic Rod Gardner is the best ever, judging by his first 2 years with the team.

Basically I'm saying that a First Round pick has to be able to come in and make an IMMEDIATE POSITIVE IMPACT on the team. If they can't do that, they should not have been drafted in the First Round. It's that simple. When you pay for a Rolles Royce you can't accept a Yugo in its place.

You know, I look at your posts, and I say, "Well that's just him, why even be surprised anymore?", but then you dig even deeper into the bag of stupidity that you call your brain, and come up with a doozy like this.

SSM, I really couldn't care any less what you or anyone else here thinks about my views. I thought I had made that abundantly clear over time.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 10:41 AM

It's that level of compression that lands you with a heart attack by age 45.....

That's fine with me. I accepted that I was never going to be the Oldest Living American a number of years ago. If the life I lead means I go at age 45 via heart attack, so be it. I live my life my way and I'll never regret a moment of it. But thank you for the concern anyway.

LD0506

July-30th-2006, 10:51 AM

Well damn! I mean..... ummm..... well just dayum!

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 10:56 AM

This is what I meant by "waiting to pass judgement". I'm under the assumption that camp will answer many of the unknowns about Campbell. Even lately when Gibbs was asked about Jason he commented that it would be an open competition in camp. I expect Campbell should emerge as the locked #2 QB, breathing down the neck of Brunell for the starting job.

I'll believe that when I see it, illone. I have seen and read nothing that would lead me to believe that Jason Campbell has ANY shot at all of being on the field for us once the regular season begins.

In other words I'll start to be concerned if there isn't some sort of QB controversy in the near future:laugh:. This is what I meant by holding off judgement.

I'm already concerned that there isn't a controversy. Either between Brunell and Gibbs or between the fans and Campbell.

Gibbs is important to the discussion. You can't just ignore the facts that already brought us three Lombardi trophies. Those same concepts apply here. I'm sure you wouldn't trade those trophies we have in the case simply to get a QB on the field. You don't rush a QB's development simply because you traded up in the draft for him. Regardless of how he was attained he's still a guy on the roster playing the most important position in football. Would it be so bad if Gibbs turned Campbell into a Theismann, or a Doug Williams?

Gibbs brought us three Lombardi's working under a very different system in 1982, 1987, and 1991. Back then if a draft pick didn't work out you cut his worthless *** and moved on. Nowadays, especially with top picks, that's not a feasible option. You HAVE TO get something out of these guys and you can't wait three or four years to decide whether they can do it or not. Kinda like horse racing. You train them as rookies, they prove they can win as two year olds and you win the Triple Crown when they're three. Any longer than that and they're headed to the glue factory (I own horses and hate what the racing system does to the animals so don't get into a snit over the analogy). In this day and age I don't believe you can sit there and wait for these kids to develop. Especially not one who you invested so much in as Jason Campbell.

Would you be upset if he sat on the bench for another two seasons, then came in and won a Superbowl for us?

Yes, I would.

I understand your concern about the price we paid for Jason, I just don't understand why Gibbs track record doesn't put you more at ease about it.

As I mentioned earlier, Gibbs' track record is in a different day and age. It's my understanding that after the Week 11 loss to Dallas in 1991 Gibbs called the entire team together during a practice and threatened to cut every single player on the team if they didn't get their acts together. Today's players would laugh it off and be on their cell phones to their agents about filing an "unhealthy work environment" claim through the NFLPA.

Regardless, Campbell should emerge as the locked #2 and if there isn't a good ol QB controversy this pre-season between Brunell and Jason then I'll start to worry.

I'm already worried.

Sweet Sassy Molassy

July-30th-2006, 10:58 AM

SSM, if that's the most asinine thing you've ever read, you haven't read as many of my posts as you think you have. Ask someone like Predicto, who used to know me when I was on another board. They'll give you some whoppers and a quick search through my posts here should find a couple others as well.

Basically I'm saying that a First Round pick has to be able to come in and make an IMMEDIATE POSITIVE IMPACT on the team. If they can't do that, they should not have been drafted in the First Round. It's that simple. When you pay for a Rolles Royce you can't accept a Yugo in its place.

SSM, I really couldn't care any less what you or anyone else here thinks about my views. I thought I had made that abundantly clear over time.

Actually, I've made it a point to stay out of most discussions that you're involved in.

As far as immediate impact goes. Yes, we all want rookies to come in and make an immediate impact. But I think most would prefer more than just a flash in the pan. There is a learning curve when entering the NFL as a rookie. So, you can't say that he should just jump in the fire without missing a beat. Much like Illone said, this year I think we are all looking for him to make some strides in regards to stepping in and contributing. If he doesn't do that, then I'll worry. It's very rare that you have guys like Ben Roethlisberger who come in and lead the team to the playoffs in their rookie season. I look for JC to make some strides this year, and we'll actually start to see the amount we paid for him, start to pay off.

illone

July-30th-2006, 11:03 AM

I'll believe that when I see it, illone. I have seen and read nothing that would lead me to believe that Jason Campbell has ANY shot at all of being on the field for us once the regular season begins.

Patience buddy, patience! Camp starts tomorrow so I suppose you won't have to wait long:).

The interview with Gibbs talking about Campbell is on Redskins.com if you'd like me to find it for you I can check. But, then again it's ALWAYS a competition in training camp and even though Ramsey was named the starter last year Gibbs admitted he lost sleep over Brunell's performance in the pre-season and camp.

Also, Gibbs track record picking players speaks for itself, regardless of the era. Don't tell me you think Gibbs treats people any different than he did back in 1991. Like he always says, the game itself has changed but people are the same. Leading people is like it's always been and Gibbs seems to have a knack for that;).

TaylorPickSix

July-30th-2006, 12:22 PM

Patrick was always a class act here. I wish him the best in new york and I will be rooting him on as long as he doesn't play us.
Or the Colts.

JetSkins

July-30th-2006, 12:37 PM

Ramsey definately has the chance to be a starter, Chad has not been great in camp so far

RedskinInExile

July-30th-2006, 12:47 PM

I will actually clap for him when I see him at the PreSeason game. He's been nothing but class, and I respect that he did his best to help this team win ... even if it wasn't the outcome.

Yeah, I'll clap for him, too. He tried his damndest during some pretty rough years, it's too bad it never worked for him here. I hope he sees a lot of time and success this year... so long he never plays the Skins when it counts. I also repsect he had the common courtesy to leave the NFC East, unlike some other douchey former Skins...

RedskinInExile

July-30th-2006, 01:03 PM

If Campbell remains at #3 on the depth chart going into this season he's a bust in my mind. That's two full offseasons as a professional and he still doesn't know enough to even be the #2 guy. Oh, and YES, if he reaches that "bust" level in my mind, it's permanent. I've said it about Ramsey in the past... He could have won us 10 Super Bowls, his initial performance in DC made him a bust in my mind and he never would have been anything else.

Yeah, i'm gonna have to agree with Sweet Sassy on this one; this doesn't make a damn bit of sense. I understand you take football serious, and even understand the whole root-for-our-crappy-players-to-get-hurt thing (even though it's ****ed up), but a player that starts off slow not being able to redeem himself? Especially before he even takes the field? Thats the craziest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

For the time being, we can afford to let him learn the system and the players, and if that means he doesn't see the field again this year, fine by me. Immediate gratification is overrated, anyhow. Coach Gibbs has seen a lot of QBs in his day and knows what he's doing. Have a little faith.

Dirk Diggler

July-30th-2006, 01:12 PM

Basically I'm saying that a First Round pick has to be able to come in and make an IMMEDIATE POSITIVE IMPACT on the team. If they can't do that, they should not have been drafted in the First Round. It's that simple. When you pay for a Rolles Royce you can't accept a Yugo in its place.

What immediate positive impact did Carson Palmer make in Cincy?

Walking Deadman

July-30th-2006, 01:18 PM

Yeah, I'll clap for him, too. He tried his damndest during some pretty rough years, it's too bad it never worked for him here. I hope he sees a lot of time and success this year... so long he never plays the Skins when it counts. I also repsect he had the common courtesy to leave the NFC East, unlike some other douchey former Skins...

I will also be cheering Patrick when he enters the game vs US (I believe he'll probably be #2 on the depth chart). He has done nothing but compliment the team and the fans since he left.
I don't know what will happen to him in the future (sounds like he still has a strong arm, but accuracy problems) but I 'll sum him up in 1 word......CLASS.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 01:19 PM

Yeah, i'm gonna have to agree with Sweet Sassy on this one; this doesn't make a damn bit of sense. I understand you take football serious, and even understand the whole root-for-our-crappy-players-to-get-hurt thing (even though it's ****ed up), but a player that starts off slow not being able to redeem himself? Especially before he even takes the field? Thats the craziest ****ing thing I've ever heard.

That's fine. As I said to SSM, I really couldn't care less what anyone else thinks of my viewpoints. I'm pleasantly surprised to see that you understand at least part of my philosophy, though it's more a "root for our players I don't like to get hurt" thing than a "crappy player" thing. For what these First Round picks are gettng paid, the high profile and attention they draw, and the fact that if they don't work our the current CBA makes cutting most of them an impossibility for the first several years, I believe they have to make an immediate impact. If it takes them three or four years to develop, then they shouldn't have been First Round selections to begin with.

For the time being, we can afford to let him learn the system and the players, and if that means he doesn't see the field again this year, fine by me. Immediate gratification is overrated, anyhow. Coach Gibbs has seen a lot of QBs in his day and knows what he's doing. Have a little faith.

No we can't afford to let him sit around. We are one solid hit on Mark Brunell from the season being over before it starts. Todd Collins couldn't lead this team to Dairy Queen, never mind the playoffs. Jason Campbell apparantly doesn't have the abilities, seasoning, or whatever to be even the #2 guy on the depth chart. So if Brunell goes down, which is a serious possibility, we're screwed worse than a $2 whore working in an AIDS clinic.

As for "faith", it's a concept I don't believe in. I belive in PROOF. Physical, material, tangible PROOF. There isn't any out there that indicates Jason Campbell can be an NFL Quarterback. Until there is, he'll be bordering on a bust with me. If he doesn't provide some sooner rather than later, he'll step over that line and his career will be done so far as I'm concerned.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-30th-2006, 01:21 PM

What immediate positive impact did Carson Palmer make in Cincy?

Don't know. Don't care. I'm a Redskins fan, not an NFL fan, and DEFINITELY not a Bengals fan. They're one of the franchises that I could never root for under any circumstances.... like the Cardinals and Patriots to name a couple others.

RDSKNfaithfull

July-30th-2006, 11:39 PM

Hell no I dont miss LC. That guy was way overrated. He and Gardner took turns dropping balls. He also couldnt go deep. I was so excited when I heard we traded him for Moss.

Carefull now L.C. is like Hines Ward with a bad QB and a bad toe. He is tough as they come. Him and Moss together would be crazy.... O well

illone

July-30th-2006, 11:47 PM

Don't know. Don't care. I'm a Redskins fan, not an NFL fan, and DEFINITELY not a Bengals fan. They're one of the franchises that I could never root for under any circumstances.... like the Cardinals and Patriots to name a couple others.

If the Cowboys happened to play them late in the year while fighting for a playoff spot I'd sure be a Bengals fan that weekend:laugh:

TheLongshot

July-31st-2006, 12:03 AM

No we can't afford to let him sit around. We are one solid hit on Mark Brunell from the season being over before it starts. Todd Collins couldn't lead this team to Dairy Queen, never mind the playoffs. Jason Campbell apparantly doesn't have the abilities, seasoning, or whatever to be even the #2 guy on the depth chart. So if Brunell goes down, which is a serious possibility, we're screwed worse than a $2 whore working in an AIDS clinic.

As for "faith", it's a concept I don't believe in. I belive in PROOF. Physical, material, tangible PROOF. There isn't any out there that indicates Jason Campbell can be an NFL Quarterback. Until there is, he'll be bordering on a bust with me. If he doesn't provide some sooner rather than later, he'll step over that line and his career will be done so far as I'm concerned.

Funny that you contradict yourself in these two paragraphs. You say you need proof, yet you believe that if Brunell goes down, that we are screwed. Fact is, you don't know that either. That is negative faith on your part. Reality is, we have one veteran QB who knows the system very well, and a young talent who has a year of learning under his belt. Certainly, there would be a dropoff, but with the talent on this team, the dropoff may not be much. With talent like this on both sides of the ball, you don't need your QB to win games for you.

As for your views on Ramsey, let me just say that attitudes like that not only make you an embarresment amonst Redskins fans, but the human race as well. To wish harm on a guy who never had any association with you personally, really makes me question your value as a human being.

Course, from previous threads, it was pretty obvious that your values are highly skewed from the normal, so this shouldn't surprise me at all.

Jason

-mando-

July-31st-2006, 12:36 AM

ramsey owns you all :silly:

Califan007

July-31st-2006, 05:00 AM

I'm a ray of sunshine EVERY day SSM.

Patricia Ramsey is one of the few people to ever play for the Redskins that I've actively rooted against even while they were playing for us. One of the few people on the team I love who I've rooted for to get injured.

David Patten and Christian Fauria are on that list as well.
Considering Fauria hasn't played a single down for the Skins yet it would be pretty difficult for you to have "actively rooted against" him already...and considering that the passing game took a nosedive last season once David Patten was injured, I'd suggest you rethink your method of being a fan.

Seriously, how could anyone be this stupid and still work a keyboard??... :doh:

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 07:50 AM

If the Cowboys happened to play them late in the year while fighting for a playoff spot I'd sure be a Bengals fan that weekend:laugh:

Actually, no I wouldn't be. I don't watch or follow games that don't directly involve the Redskins. As I said earlier in this thread, I'm not a fan of the NFL, just the Washington Redskins.

Dirk Diggler

July-31st-2006, 09:20 AM

Actually, no I wouldn't be. I don't watch or follow games that don't directly involve the Redskins. As I said earlier in this thread, I'm not a fan of the NFL, just the Washington Redskins.

A fan who roots for his own players to be injured. I'm sure Gibbs and Co. are proud to have you aboard! :thumbsup:

Switchgear

July-31st-2006, 09:28 AM

Ah, Patrick Ramsey.... the single biggest waste of a first round pick in Redskins history. The man who couldn't have beat out a has been and a never was to win the starting job in Washington.

There's only two things I have to say about Patrick Ramsey....

1. GOOD RIDDANCE TO BAD RUBBISH!!!!!

2. I hope he gets the crap kicked out of him every time he steps on the field.

Actually, not that he's gone I really couldn't care all that much what Ramsey does. He's no longer part of the team I root for, and I'm a fan of the Redskins, not the NFL so what becomes of him is really not my concern.

I think this is all a Pittman4Two style act. At least I hope no Redskins fan is actually this stupid.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 10:22 AM

Funny that you contradict yourself in these two paragraphs. You say you need proof, yet you believe that if Brunell goes down, that we are screwed. Fact is, you don't know that either. That is negative faith on your part. Reality is, we have one veteran QB who knows the system very well, and a young talent who has a year of learning under his belt. Certainly, there would be a dropoff, but with the talent on this team, the dropoff may not be much. With talent like this on both sides of the ball, you don't need your QB to win games for you.

No contradiction at all. Yes, I do need proof that Joe Gibbs and Jason Campbell are going to get things done here in DC. The last time Joe Gibbs won anything on a football field I was a Senior in High School. Jason Campbell has never even taken a single snap of NFL football. I already HAVE the proof that this team isn't going anywhere without Brunell... a backup who's only played in 41 games in a 12 year career and an emergency QB who has never taken an NFL snap. That's more than enough proof for me.

As for your views on Ramsey, let me just say that attitudes like that not only make you an embarresment amonst Redskins fans, but the human race as well. To wish harm on a guy who never had any association with you personally, really makes me question your value as a human being.

The embarassment in my mind is anyone who thinks the NFL has the sort of management and operating system that should be emulated by other sports and/or fans who root for a league or multiple teams instead of just one rooting interest.

Oh, and I question the value of the entire human species on a daily basis, so you're in good company with that.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 10:29 AM

A fan who roots for his own players to be injured.

No. A fan who roots for players who shouldn't be on his team to be injured.

I'm sure Gibbs and Co. are proud to have you aboard! :thumbsup:

I really couldn't care any less what Joe Gibbs and Company think of the way I see things. Gibbs hasn't proven anything other than the fact that he can cash a paycheck since returning to the NFL.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 10:33 AM

I think this is all a Pittman4Two style act. At least I hope no Redskins fan is actually this stupid.

I'm not sure who this Pittman4Two person is, but NO this isn't an act. It is truly what I believe. If you don't agree with it, that's fine. I never said you had to.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 11:04 AM

Considering Fauria hasn't played a single down for the Skins yet it would be pretty difficult for you to have "actively rooted against" him already...and considering that the passing game took a nosedive last season once David Patten was injured, I'd suggest you rethink your method of being a fan.

Actually as Fauria was a member of the New England Patriots, a team that I have HATED for my entire lifetime, yes I have rooted against him, but that's another story.

Both Patten and Fauria lost any ability for me to ever root for them when they put that Patriots jersey on in the past. They sold their souls when they signed the contract with that disgusting organization. There's no forgiveness for that in my mind.

This is the type of fan I am. That's never going to change.

TheLongshot

July-31st-2006, 01:02 PM

I already HAVE the proof that this team isn't going anywhere without Brunell... a backup who's only played in 41 games in a 12 year career and an emergency QB who has never taken an NFL snap. That's more than enough proof for me.

That isn't proof of anything. Trent Green had 5 years of experience sitting on the bench before he got his opportunity, then tore it up with 23 TDs and 11 Ints. If it was a situation where you had someone like Rob Johnson or Danny Wureful as a backup, then yes, I'd feel nervous about our depth. But, since Al Saunders feels good about Collins, after coaching him for years, I feel good about it as well. At least until training camp starts and he proves otherwise. Camp is where you find out about these things.

I can understand being uncertain about our depth, but I can't understand feeling like we are doomed with our depth, when really you don't know what we have.

The embarassment in my mind is anyone who thinks the NFL has the sort of management and operating system that should be emulated by other sports and/or fans who root for a league or multiple teams instead of just one rooting interest.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about here. I think it may have something to do with talking about rooting for other teams when your team's playoffs is at stake. Well, rarely to teams win every game (hasn't happened since 1972) and often teams require help from other teams, if not to make the playoffs, then to get home field advantage. This is true in most sports. While some things are in the hands of the team, often some things are out of their hands and depend on other teams.

So, there is going to be some scoreboard watching going on.

Jason

TheLongshot

July-31st-2006, 01:03 PM

I think this is all a Pittman4Two style act. At least I hope no Redskins fan is actually this stupid.

Believe me, MikeNelms, this guy is for real. I've read enough of his threads to know this. I had a hard time believing it myself.

Jason

dinamo

July-31st-2006, 01:20 PM

I hope Ramsey wins the job. Unfortunately, he never got a fair chance herein DC. He got a lot of beating for Spurrier and somehow never was a Gibbs's guy. He simply deserves the chance to be Jets' #1 QB.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 01:50 PM

That isn't proof of anything. Trent Green had 5 years of experience sitting on the bench before he got his opportunity, then tore it up with 23 TDs and 11 Ints. If it was a situation where you had someone like Rob Johnson or Danny Wureful as a backup, then yes, I'd feel nervous about our depth. But, since Al Saunders feels good about Collins, after coaching him for years, I feel good about it as well. At least until training camp starts and he proves otherwise. Camp is where you find out about these things.

I look at the backup situation a little differently. Unless the backups are former starters or have a long term track record of being able to play, I don't take them seriously. Neither of these QB's fall into that category. Saunders also hasn't done anything to earn my trust as of yet either.

Not sure what the hell you are talking about here. I think it may have something to do with talking about rooting for other teams when your team's playoffs is at stake. Well, rarely to teams win every game (hasn't happened since 1972) and often teams require help from other teams, if not to make the playoffs, then to get home field advantage. This is true in most sports. While some things are in the hands of the team, often some things are out of their hands and depend on other teams.

Actually the topic of that paragraph is somewhat off topic. It does have a small connection to watching other teams games, but only marginally. I've discussed my feelings on the way the NFL is run around here previously and that's a large part of what I was commenting on. In short, I believe the NFL has the WORST player financial and player acquisition system of the major sports. Additionally, I am not a fan of the NFL, but of the Washington Redskins; therefore if a Redskins game isn't on I'm not watching NFL football. Regardless of the importance of the game. THAT's what I believe REAL fans do. Hope that clears it up a bit for you.

Switchgear

July-31st-2006, 02:03 PM

Saunders also hasn't done anything to earn my trust as of yet either.

On reading that line, I just had to laugh. Seriously, you sound so full of yourself it's hilarious and yet sickening. I have noticed in this thread that whenver someone points out your flaws you come back with something along the lines of "I don't care what you think". Well let me respond in kind. I don't care that you don't care what I think of you, I'll tell you anyway. You are pathetic. Nothing you think or say has any bearing on the outcome of the season, and you are an embarassment to any reasonable fan. Actually, no one on this board will have any effect on the season, but I don't see any other posters engaging in such self-aggrandizement. To quote a show I like, "You think you're hot **** in a champagne glass, but you're really just cold diarrhea in a dixie cup".

Isifhan

July-31st-2006, 02:30 PM

I have noticed in this thread that whenver someone points out your flaws you come back with something along the lines of "I don't care what you think".

Well, you see this is his MO. He says that he doesn't care what anyone thinks of his position, yet spends twenty five posts explaining his thoughts and debating or rather beating everyone over the head with the merits of his thoughts. Not sure why he would do that if he really didn't care what anyone thought. It's actually fairly annoying that every football realated thread this guy ends up in gets derailed from the original topic and instead becomes "I'm Mass Skins Fan and I'm going to spend the next seven pages telling you why I hate everything about the NFL and teams not dominating anymore".

It would be great if he could keep his comments relevant to the threads original topic but alas...

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 04:15 PM

On reading that line, I just had to laugh. Seriously, you sound so full of yourself it's hilarious and yet sickening.

Yes I am full of myself. When I was younger I had my sense of humor surgically removed so that there was enough space for my ego to grow to full size.

I have noticed in this thread that whenver someone points out your flaws you come back with something along the lines of "I don't care what you think". Well let me respond in kind. I don't care that you don't care what I think of you, I'll tell you anyway. You are pathetic.

Then I have a suggestion for you... If you left click on my name in the top left corner of this post, you'll get a list of options. Among them is "add Mass_SkinsFan to your ignore list". I heartily suggest you use it, because my beliefs and posting style are not going to change.

Oh, Isifhan, I think you might do well to take the suggestion also.

Isifhan

July-31st-2006, 04:19 PM

Oh, Isifhan, I think you might do well to take the suggestion also.

Why? I see your schtick for what it is. It doesn't bother me. I just wish you would stop derailing threads with your tirades and try and stay on topic.

Mass_SkinsFan

July-31st-2006, 04:43 PM

Why? I see your schtick for what it is. It doesn't bother me. I just wish you would stop derailing threads with your tirades and try and stay on topic.

Believe it or not, I do try to stay on topic most of the time. Unfortunately I'm not over here on the Stadium side often enough for people to have learned not to bother attempting to change my mind on anything and that's generally where most of the problems start. I know I need to be a little more on topic at times. Believe me, I try.

Though I would like to know what "schtick" you're talking about. These are actually the things I believe.

Jethrodsp

July-31st-2006, 07:17 PM

Is this guy Mass_Skins serious?

I cant believe he just hijacked this thread to spew such hate toward Pat.

Go Pat go. Get that job.

Isifhan

July-31st-2006, 09:18 PM

Though I would like to know what "schtick" you're talking about. These are actually the things I believe.

Ok, if you say so.

ciresolstice

July-31st-2006, 09:39 PM

I wholeheartedly wish Pat the best and hope he prospers in the league. Seemed like a really good guy that took many setbacks in stride.

ciresolstice

July-31st-2006, 09:42 PM

And the award for the T.O. of ExtremeSkins goes to... *drumroll*

mboyd784

August-1st-2006, 01:44 AM

All love to Ramsey. The kid is a gamer and tough as nails!

Thanos

August-1st-2006, 08:33 AM

The Jets are garbage and he'll get punished by their non existant O-line.

Hooper

August-1st-2006, 10:18 AM

Even with his one year extension, Ramsey could be in real trouble of not making the team. Chad is a lock, as is Clemens. So it's between Bollinger and Ramsey -- and Bollinger is reportedly outplaying him.

Pennington Impresses; Ramsey Struggles --
Tue Aug 1, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com

New York Newsday reports Jets QB Chad Pennington has impressed new HC Eric Mangini early in training camp practices. "I think Chad has had a couple of good days in a row," Mangini said. "The leadership that Chad has shows up, and the presence that Chad has shows up." Mangini added, "There are obviously some reads and some throws that he needs to work on like the rest of those guys ... With that group, there are so many reps throughout practice and so many different drills, it's positives and negatives throughout the day." Meanwhile, QB Patrick Ramsey, Pennington's stiffest competition, had his second turn with the starting offense Monday and struggled. On the first play of 11-on-11 drills, Ramsey was chewed out by OC Brian Schottenheimer, who shouted, "Get me a new quarterback in there!" QB Brooks Bollinger went in for Ramsey. Ramsey missed a wide-open WR Jerricho Cotchery in the end zone on a pump-and-go that fooled CB Andre Dyson. He later hit WR Justin McCareins on a crossing pattern in the end zone, but he had two throws batted down at the line, with one intercepted in the end zone by rookie SS Eric Smith.

Peregrine

August-1st-2006, 11:16 AM

Saunders also hasn't done anything to earn my trust as of yet either.

lol, you know how people wish there was an easy way to tell stupid people apart, just by looking at them? I think they should be stamped with this quote on their forehead.

When you take a man that directed the greatest show on turf, and then the best offense in the NFL the past 3 years, and make a quote like this? Im sorry he hasnt personaly invited you to dinner to explain his gameplan to you but, somehow I think he doesnt have to earn your trust after all hes done(why does he need your trust anyway... is he babysitting for you? Your financial advisor?).

Seriously... I think that might be quote of the year.

Mass_SkinsFan

August-1st-2006, 11:30 AM

When you take a man that directed the greatest show on turf, and then the best offense in the NFL the past 3 years, and make a quote like this? Im sorry he hasnt personaly invited you to dinner to explain his gameplan to you but, somehow I think he doesnt have to earn your trust after all hes done(why does he need your trust anyway... is he babysitting for you? Your financial advisor?).

Exactly how much of that experience occured with the Washington Redskins, and with this specific set or personnel? I don't follow teams other than the Redskins, so as far as I'm concerned his previous experience in KC and St Louis have absolutely no bearing on my opinion of him. I don't want him to invite me to dinner, I want him to put a dominant, kick-*** offense on the field that is going to overpower whatever defense has the misfortune to get in our way EVERY week.

As for why he needs to earn my trust.... I don't have the time or energy to waste on a team that isn't going to WIN games. Our offense the last two years has given me no reason to have any faith in their ability to get the job done, and it's lead to me not watching many of the games. If the team wants me to pay attention (yes, I know they really don't care), they need to put a product on the field that gives me some return on that investment of time and energy. Al Saunders hasn't done anything to give me that confidence yet.

Goaldeje

August-1st-2006, 12:15 PM

Exactly how much of that experience occured with the Washington Redskins, and with this specific set or personnel? I don't follow teams other than the Redskins, so as far as I'm concerned his previous experience in KC and St Louis have absolutely no bearing on my opinion of him. I don't want him to invite me to dinner, I want him to put a dominant, kick-*** offense on the field that is going to overpower whatever defense has the misfortune to get in our way EVERY week.

As for why he needs to earn my trust.... I don't have the time or energy to waste on a team that isn't going to WIN games. Our offense the last two years has given me no reason to have any faith in their ability to get the job done, and it's lead to me not watching many of the games. If the team wants me to pay attention (yes, I know they really don't care), they need to put a product on the field that gives me some return on that investment of time and energy. Al Saunders hasn't done anything to give me that confidence yet.

You know, you actually make a couple of good points in all this. Sadly, they get lost in your diatribe of self-importance. Not having faith in Saunders yet isn't a horrible thing. The man hasn't done anything with our personel yet, and I would certainly argue he had a better foundation in KC with his O-line. That's actually not an invalid point.

But it gets lost. You can make points with being a know-it-all jerk. You should have already learned by now that is a strikingly ineffective way to communicate.

Mass_SkinsFan

August-1st-2006, 12:52 PM

You know, you actually make a couple of good points in all this. Sadly, they get lost in your diatribe of self-importance. Not having faith in Saunders yet isn't a horrible thing. The man hasn't done anything with our personel yet, and I would certainly argue he had a better foundation in KC with his O-line. That's actually not an invalid point.

But it gets lost. You can make points with being a know-it-all jerk. You should have already learned by now that is a strikingly ineffective way to communicate.

What you have to realize is that I'm not here to make anyone agree with me, goaldeje. I'm not here to have people clap me on the back, tell me how smart I am or agree with me. That may be why some people are here, but it is not my reason for posting at ES. I simply provide information in the style I'm most comfortable with. Yes, I have an ego. I always have and always will. Yes, it comes through in my conversation and my posts. I don't see that as such a terrible thing. Obviously you do.

Goaldeje

August-1st-2006, 01:44 PM

What you have to realize is that I'm not here to make anyone agree with me, goaldeje. I'm not here to have people clap me on the back, tell me how smart I am or agree with me. That may be why some people are here, but it is not my reason for posting at ES. I simply provide information in the style I'm most comfortable with. Yes, I have an ego. I always have and always will. Yes, it comes through in my conversation and my posts. I don't see that as such a terrible thing. Obviously you do.

At the risk of wasting time at work ...

I never said you should. Go back and re-read my posts for comprehension. You occassionally have good things that should be heard by people. Sadly, they're not. Instead, people get so irritated with your style that they completely tune you out, thereby missing some information that perhaps would be useful. More about disseminating information, really. And if you respond with the idea that you don't care if people get anything or any information out of your posts, why post then?

Your ego doesn't bother me, though I do find it presumptous that you assume it does. (irony, anyone?) Here's the thing: if your goal is to pass along your thoughts and opinions, go to it, have fun. But if that is really your goal, then cut the antagonistic crap. Your opinions and thoughts are necessarily discounted and ignored. If you don't care about people caring about your thoughts and opinions, stop posting.