Ramsey being "left out" at Jets training camp practices [Archive]

UpNorth

August-1st-2006, 09:05 PM

Apparently some of the time his isn't even working in the same group with the other QBs, but instead is off with a different group doing something else. And today, he got about 5 reps total in 9 on 9 and 11 on 11 combined. In the press conferences, coach Mangini has mention the other 3 Qbs and their progress but I cannot recall hearing anything about Pat...this is weird because if he isn't gonna get any reps and thus not be given a legitimate shot at making the team...then why not release him now?

Here is some of what I have read:

From Today's practices:
Ramsey had 4 snaps. That was it. Ramsey also continues to be left out of the 3 QB rotation drill, where 3 QB's take a snap, and each throw to a different reciever in different patterns. Ramsey is off playing fake QB with a different group altogether. This is three straight practices now that Ramsey has been excluded. He might have thrown 5 passes all day, but it's obvious there is nothing wrong with his arm.

From Monday:
Now, this is a bit strange, but I have to mention it. Ramsey always seems to be away from the other QB's. Even when stretching. Pennington, Clemens and Bollinger are always together. Ramsey is two players away from them. This was on Friday, today, and over the weekend too. Today, they did this drill (Friday too) where 3 QB's take the snap from a coach, with 3 recievers going into a pattern. The 3 recievers run the same patterns each time, but the QB's switch spots.... the QB on the right hits an out. The QB in the middle hits a crossing pattern, The QB on the left throws a fade. But.... Ramsey was with the RB's practicing trick plays, but lined up as a slot reciever or a wide out. It just seems ...a little wierd to me.

Oh Patty...:doh:

Newera

August-1st-2006, 09:10 PM

Interesting.

Rdskns2000

August-1st-2006, 09:11 PM

Shouldn't this be moved. The Stadium should be about Redskins not Jet players. Or soon to be ex-Jet players. :laugh:

tr1

August-1st-2006, 09:14 PM

uh, oh....if true, this isn't good for PR.

Pete

August-1st-2006, 09:15 PM

Shouldn't this be moved. The Stadium should be about Redskins not Jet players. Or soon to be ex-Jet players. :laugh:

Your wish is my command. POOF...off to around the NFL

This to bad, I've always been a big fan of Ramsey and hoped for the best for him

Rdskns2000

August-1st-2006, 09:21 PM

Your wish is my command. POOF...off to around the NFL

This to bad, I've always been a big fan of Ramsey and hoped for the best for him

Can't poof me a million dollars now??

Ramsey should've never agreed to this trade. He should've let the Skins just cut him and he may have had a better shot else where. That Clemmons kid is probably going to eventually be the Jets QB.

Where could Patrick go? Let's see:

Buffalo- their current roster of qb's isn't that great.
Kansas City- Trent Green is getting old, he could eventually take over.
Dallas- yes, our hated enemy needs a post Bledsoe solution and it won't be Hensen.

Minnesota- They need someone to succeed Brad Johnson.

Detroit- was a possibility in the offseason, not now.

whatmeworry

August-1st-2006, 09:31 PM

Normally I don't care that much about players no longer with the team but I liked Pat. Looks like he's getting worked over at the Jets camp too. Found this on their board. It's a shame.

http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121046

An earful for shaky Ramsey

BY RICH CIMINI
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer is only 32, but he's not shy about tearing into a player. Yesterday, QB Patrick Ramsey incurred the wrath of Schottenheimer. "Damn it, get another quarterback in the game," Schottenheimer screamed when Ramsey took too long to get a play off.
In came Brooks Bollinger, out went Ramsey.

Ramsey, in his second chance to work with the starting unit, was spotty in the day's only practice. In red-zone drills, he was intercepted twice and overthrew an open Jerricho Cotchery. Ramsey rallied late in the practice, hooking up with Justin McCareins for a TD on a nice fade route.

No one has dominated the four-way QB competition. It still appears to be Chad Pennington's job to lose.

TD_washingtonredskins

August-1st-2006, 09:36 PM

But.... Ramsey was with the RB's practicing trick plays, but lined up as a slot reciever or a wide out.

Finally a team is going to take advantage of Patrick's raw, athletic ability. I was hoping he wouldn't be misused on another team!

;)

Also, it sounds like he couldn't even get in and out of the huddle. That isn't surprising considering even during his "highlight" game last year (vs. the Giants) he had to burn two timeouts before he threw that errant pass that Santana turned into a 70-yard TD play. :2cents:

Hooper

August-1st-2006, 09:36 PM

Where's AJ?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

But seriously, if Pat can't beat out Brooks Bollinger, I mean who can he beat out?

UpNorth

August-1st-2006, 09:56 PM

Shouldn't this be moved. The Stadium should be about Redskins not Jet players. Or soon to be ex-Jet players. :laugh:

I just see alot of off-topic posts in here so I figured it wouldn;t be that bad of an offence...

UpNorth

August-1st-2006, 10:01 PM

But seriously, if Pat can't beat out Brooks Bollinger, I mean who can he beat out?

Yeah good point...I saw almost every Jets game last season and Brooks is a backup QB, period. Not a solid backup even...he can probably only stay on a team as a backup if that team is in the bottom half od QB corps in the league.

He is a great guy and a hard worker and a real gamer but he just doesn't have the natural abilities....in my opinon there's no way that Ramsey can't be ahead of this guy. If he isntt he really much be stinkin it up. Word has it that he was the worst QB in mini camp and OTAs too...

Whiskeypeet

August-1st-2006, 10:07 PM

Where's AJ?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I thought the same.

bubba9497

August-1st-2006, 10:08 PM

He's rubbed someone the wrong way, he deserves better treatment

JetSkins

August-1st-2006, 10:49 PM

its pretty sad that he can't beat out someone for the job who had two torn rotator cuffs. But I'm pullin for Chad anyway

UpNorth

August-1st-2006, 10:52 PM

Apprently Chad has been trying to make clear that it is one torn rotator cuff and one torn soemthign else...not a rotator cuff muscle apparently.....but in the shoulder nonetheless.

chow184

August-1st-2006, 11:19 PM

apperantly he pissed off the O-coordinator

HittinSkinz

August-1st-2006, 11:54 PM

wow... thats bad for PR

herrmag

August-1st-2006, 11:58 PM

This is nothing but a ploy by PR to start up an insane number of threads on extremeskins.com. :doh:

No, honestly, PR handled everything with class while he was here, and I honestly wished him well. That's too bad, and I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he does get his shot as an NFL starter one day. :(

RunPortisRun

August-2nd-2006, 12:44 AM

What!? Ramsey is such a class act...Ramsey is not getting a fair chance.

Yusuf06

August-2nd-2006, 12:49 AM

Brooks freaking Bollinger?? Geez.:rolleyes: This sux for PRam. Hopefully it's just him needing more time to adjust to the Jest offensive scheme and he'll improve as time goes on.

-mando-

August-2nd-2006, 01:21 AM

hes gotten on someones bad side there i think, the first two practices they were talking about how he looked tons better than he did back in mini camp and then poof, hes not even getting reps, odd

kevinklein

August-2nd-2006, 02:46 AM

Patrick Ramsey is the next Antwaan Randle El. Pure athleticism and mobility. QB, WR, you name it and Pat is there!

:)

kingfish50

August-2nd-2006, 05:14 AM

Maybe all of this just proves that Joe Gibbs new what he was doing when he pulled Ramsey out of that first game last year.

IM A REDSKIN FAN

August-2nd-2006, 05:41 AM

Poor Pat Ramsey...

SkinsGuy

August-2nd-2006, 06:19 AM

Maybe all of this just proves that Joe Gibbs new what he was doing when he pulled Ramsey out of that first game last year.

Exactly.

Gibbs knows QBs. This quote from the article sums up how frustrating Ramsey's play is:

Ramsey, in his second chance to work with the starting unit, was spotty in the day's only practice. In red-zone drills, he was intercepted twice and overthrew an open Jerricho Cotchery. Ramsey rallied late in the practice, hooking up with Justin McCareins for a TD on a nice fade route.

It seems nothing has changed with Ramsey. For every decent play he makes, he also makes 2 or 3 bone-headed ones.

Also, it's said he's still slow to get out of the huddle and slow to get a play off. :doh:

I like Ramsey too. He seems like a nice guy who didn't act like a baby and bad-mouth the Redskins when he left.

I was hoping Ramsey would've been that young QB that would lead the Redskins to a great future, but as this article shows, Ramsey just didn't have it, and probably never will.

While I'm not happy he's failing in NY, I do hope articles like this will silence Gibbs' most ardent critics that claim he "...never gave Ramsey a fair chance."

ntotoro

August-2nd-2006, 06:21 AM

Poor Pat Ramsey...

I wouldn't feel too badly for the guy. Even if he is relegated to becoming a career backup for various teams, many of us would love to have that opportunity. He never really seemed like a "natural" QB, rather he was the kid with the strong arm that someone tried to mold into a QB.

JetSkins

August-2nd-2006, 09:27 AM

Brooks freaking Bollinger?? Geez.:rolleyes: This sux for PRam. Hopefully it's just him needing more time to adjust to the Jest offensive scheme and he'll improve as time goes on.

Brooks will be cut

ouvan59

August-2nd-2006, 09:37 AM

Anybody want to drag out the Gibbs or Ramsey poll from last September?

ouvan59

August-2nd-2006, 09:40 AM

Can't poof me a million dollars now??

Ramsey should've never agreed to this trade. He should've let the Skins just cut him and he may have had a better shot else where. That Clemmons kid is probably going to eventually be the Jets QB.

Where could Patrick go? Let's see:

Buffalo- their current roster of qb's isn't that great.
Kansas City- Trent Green is getting old, he could eventually take over.
Dallas- yes, our hated enemy needs a post Bledsoe solution and it won't be Hensen.

Minnesota- They need someone to succeed Brad Johnson.

Detroit- was a possibility in the offseason, not now.

I'm sorry but he has just as good of a shot with the Jets as he does with those jobs. This isn't something where he is losing reps to superstars.

ouvan59

August-2nd-2006, 09:44 AM

They just announced on WTEM that Pennington has been named the starter.

GSF

August-2nd-2006, 09:51 AM

He's rubbed someone the wrong way, he deserves better treatment

We agree on a lot of things Bubba, but this time I think you're off, only b/c Ramsey is such a classy, respectful guy, I just can't see him rubbing anybody the wrong way. That's why Gibbs had such a hard time benching him, I think gibbs really liked him. Unfortunately for Pat, I think he just doesn't recognize things and make decisions fast enough. He's always had problems with getting plays off, finding the open guy, and holding the ball too long. If Pennington is healthy, Pat might wind up being the odd man out b/c the Jets like Brooks, and are very high on their rookie QB. I'm a huge fan of PR, and really pulling for him, but I wonder how much success he's going to have in the NFL. He needs to play for a team that has a simple offense that likes to run the ball and throw deep. He should have gone to the Raiders.

Birdlives

August-2nd-2006, 11:15 AM

Just posted on ESPN that Pennington has won the job as starter.

chiplohmillers#1

August-2nd-2006, 11:46 AM

Alright Pat. Crying your way out of DC only to visit Cuttsville USA in Jets Training camp. Odd's that Ramsey will be holding a clip board in NFL Europe????

Barney B

August-2nd-2006, 11:52 AM

This is sad. Pat's a smart kid with a good arm and character. It'd be nice to see him catch on in the league.

According to Bram Weinstein, Redskins insiders privately claimed that Ramsey lacks the "instincts" to be an NFL starter - maybe they were right, and the Jets are getting frustrated with his lack of progress?

Let's hope he catches on eventually, but if he gets cut, well, maybe he could start in Europe? At least he'd get playing time - it certainly didn't hurt Curt Warner's career.

RunPortisRun

August-2nd-2006, 12:07 PM

I think Ramsey should run for Mayor.

TaylorPickSix

August-2nd-2006, 12:09 PM

Ouch man. I'm a huge Ramsey fan and I'm wishing him the best. Maybe he shoulda gone to cleveland.

Hooper

August-2nd-2006, 12:19 PM

He's just not that good and he lacks the football instincts to ever be good. Lots of qbs have been in bad situations -- and when they get their chance, the good ones don't take forever to get a play off and they don't consistently look skittish in the pocket.

He seems like a great guy, definitely an easy guy to root for. But overall, he just hasn't improved.

I think he's out of the league sooner than later. But I hope I'm wrong.

sableholic

August-2nd-2006, 12:22 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2537001

Quote:
Cheer up Patrick Ramsey, Kellen Clemens and Brooks Bollinger. The Jets' starting quarterback job could still be yours after all.

A source with knowledge of the situation told ESPN that a Newark Star-Ledger report that Chad Pennington had won New York's starting quarterback job was incorrect.

wilbur58z

August-2nd-2006, 12:37 PM

We agree on a lot of things Bubba, but this time I think you're off, only b/c Ramsey is such a classy, respectful guy, I just can't see him rubbing anybody the wrong way. That's why Gibbs had such a hard time benching him, I think gibbs really liked him. Unfortunately for Pat, I think he just doesn't recognize things and make decisions fast enough. He's always had problems with getting plays off, finding the open guy, and holding the ball too long. If Pennington is healthy, Pat might wind up being the odd man out b/c the Jets like Brooks, and are very high on their rookie QB. I'm a huge fan of PR, and really pulling for him, but I wonder how much success he's going to have in the NFL. He needs to play for a team that has a simple offense that likes to run the ball and throw deep. He should have gone to the Raiders.

Ramsey rubbed Gibbs the wrong way in 2004 when he whined about the Brunell acquisition. He reportedly pointed at Gibbs and demanded a trade if he wasn't given a fair shot to win the starting job. At the time, I think Gibbs had a problem with Ramsey's attitude.

Looking back on it now, such behavior is downright hilarious. He can't even beat out Brooks Bollinger for the 3rd spot on the Jets roster. Two years ago, Ramsey was acting like he was Brett Favre.

I shudder when I think it was guys like Ramsey and Arrington that this team was built around at the time. Thankfully those days are over.

That said, Ramsey kept his mouth shut last year and suddenly Gibbs started speaking highly of him. I think at some point, possibly the 2004 preseason when he struggled and conceded he didn't play better than Brunell, Ramsey realized he maybe wasn't the player he thought he was. Since that point his demeanor has been more in line with a player of his talent level right now.

I'm sort of surprised he hasn't done better with New York because it seemed like he ate some humble pie before leaving DC and I thought that would improve his chances to turn his career around.

JerseyGator

August-2nd-2006, 08:51 PM

I don't think Ramsey is NFL starter material on most teams. Defenses are just too smart and quick. Given their offensive line, I don't know if I'd want to be a starter for the Jets.

Rdskns2000

August-2nd-2006, 10:54 PM

I just see alot of off-topic posts in here so I figured it wouldn;t be that bad of an offence...

Patrick is no longer a Skin. With training camp, I'm more interested in the Skins QB than an ex-Skin QB. That's why I said Patrick should've been moved.

Seabee1973

August-2nd-2006, 11:03 PM

Finally a team is going to take advantage of Patrick's raw, athletic ability. I was hoping he wouldn't be misused on another team!

;)

Also, it sounds like he couldn't even get in and out of the huddle. That isn't surprising considering even during his "highlight" game last year (vs. the Giants) he had to burn two timeouts before he threw that errant pass that Santana turned into a 70-yard TD play. :2cents:

if you recall brunells pass wasnt much better i Think oin the Brunell pas to moss Moss had to darn near put his hands on the ground to catch it

Sarge

August-3rd-2006, 06:52 AM

That's too bad, I liked Patrick

Spurrier ruined that boy

hamptonskinsfan

August-3rd-2006, 07:16 AM

That's too bad, I liked Patrick

Spurrier ruined that boy

i truely second that opinion, i told a friend that just the other day. i'm sorry to hear about his misfortunes.
on a side note, if he does get cut, we as the redskin nation should say thank you again to the jets, this time for a "free" draft pick. :D

JetSkins

August-3rd-2006, 10:27 AM

That's too bad, I liked Patrick

Spurrier ruined that boy

he ruined many things

bulldog

August-3rd-2006, 10:33 AM

Ramsey has always thought he deserved to be a starter despite never having shown on the field that he has earned it.

Steve McNair sat on the bench for how long after being a top pick before he became the starter in Tennessee? Even Carson Palmer sat as a rookie.

Joe Theismann was 28 when he finally became the starting qb of the Redskins.

Ramsey was allowed to rule the roost during a period in which the coaching here was poor and there was no leadership.

If Gibbs had drafted Ramsey, PR like Arrington would never have developed this exaggerated sense of himself.

Pimpey42000

August-3rd-2006, 10:34 AM

Too bad for Ramsey! I feel bad for the guy hopefully he'll find success elsewhere!

jnhay

August-3rd-2006, 10:34 AM

Personally, I don't think Ramsey is a starting caliber QB anywhere. I'm rooting for him, but based on what I've seen with the Redskins, I wouldn't be that surprised if he gets cut.

bird_1972

August-3rd-2006, 10:37 AM

The Jets boards have been saying that he's having trouble making reads and anticipating where the WRs are going to be. Sounds like a problem he had while in a Skins uni. That probably has little to do with Spurrier.

Him having happy feet and looking uncomfortable in the pocket likely does have everything to do with Spurrier.

Monkart

August-3rd-2006, 11:37 AM

To hear Ramsey talk about it, everyone getting their reps.

"From my understanding, nothing has changed," Ramsey said. "We're going to continue the same way we've been doing things. I went into this camp expecting what the coaches have told us, and that's that this is a competition. It's been very evenly split up throughout camp."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2537001

TD_washingtonredskins

August-3rd-2006, 11:37 AM

Ramsey is a good backup QB. If he needs to play in a pinch, his physical tools will allow him to run a stripped-down playbook and give you a good shot to win (vs. Tennessee in 2002, vs. NY last year).

However, once he has EVERYTHING to think about, he thinks too much and isn't nearly as effective.

It's not a horrible thing in life to be a career backup QB. He'll make plenty of money, get plenty of glory, and live a good life!

RunPortisRun

August-3rd-2006, 01:31 PM

I blame everyone but Ramsey. I blame Spurrier. I blame Gibbs for not giving him a fair chance. I blame Brunell for taking his starting job and I blame the playbook.

BroSweets

August-3rd-2006, 01:36 PM

Maybe he can go to Seattle and get beat out by Gibran Hamdan.

Hooper

August-3rd-2006, 01:38 PM

Ramsey is the next Favre, alright.

But it's the Favre that threw 30 picks last year.

UpNorth

August-3rd-2006, 01:44 PM

Maybe he can go to Seattle and get beat out by Gibran Hamdan.

Who is Gibran Hamdan?

tr1

August-3rd-2006, 01:44 PM

Lombardi's_kid_brother

August-3rd-2006, 04:00 PM

I don't think coaches care whether the QB "rubs them the wrong way." I mean, when you look at some of the QBs who have won Super Bowls - Jim McMahon... our own Joe T - a lot of them come across as real, um, buttheads. Dan Marino strikes me as a terribly obnoxious person. No one ever made him go to the #2 field to run fade routes.

Patrick may just not be that skilled.

Leonard Washington

August-3rd-2006, 04:46 PM

http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=121046

Ramsey, in his second chance to work with the starting unit, was spotty in the day's only practice. In red-zone drills, he was intercepted twice and overthrew an open Jerricho Cotchery. Ramsey rallied late in the practice, hooking up with Justin McCareins for a TD on a nice fade route.

seems that ramsey stilo of being a slow starter is really hurting him.

Underwater Ally

August-3rd-2006, 08:25 PM

I blame everyone but Ramsey. I blame Spurrier. I blame Gibbs for not giving him a fair chance. I blame Brunell for taking his starting job and I blame the playbook.

I hate the playbook too.

SkinsDukes

August-3rd-2006, 11:48 PM

Who is Gibran Hamdan?

Former Redskins QB picked out of Indiana ...now playing for Seattle.

turtle

August-4th-2006, 12:33 AM

nice sig leonard!

Gamebreaker

August-4th-2006, 02:48 PM

The Jets were the best chance for him to become a starter. Their starter for the last two seasons had suffered injuries that most QBs don't really recover from, add in the fact he's never had much of an arm before the injury and you would think the team would welcome Ramsey's cannon. Then you have Bollinger, who's never going to be a starter in this league, another rookie, and you would think that Ramsey would be head and shoulders above all the other quarterbacks by the first pre-season game. Yet he's not, matter of fact, he's achieved the rare ability to play himself out of practice reps...wow.

It's pretty obvious that Ramsey just has no feel for the quarterback position. He has all the tools, yet none of the more important ones, like feel for the pocket, gameday management, or leadership qualities. He has the tools that allowed him to get drafted high and that's it. Which just shows how flawed the whole drafting process is. It's all about talent, and very little about the intangiblies. When realistically, both categories should be evaluated evenly.

ntotoro

August-4th-2006, 02:53 PM

If Gibbs had drafted Ramsey...

Gibbs would have never drafted Ramsey. Even Spurrier didn't want him.

airborneskins

August-4th-2006, 11:43 PM

Ramsey will find himself on a roster come week 1. Maybe not the Jets, but he will be ona roster somewhere.

Good Luck Pat!

herrmag

August-4th-2006, 11:51 PM

Anybody want to drag out the Gibbs or Ramsey poll from last September?

I just wish that poll showed names of who voted for who. Egg on face.

cronos190

August-5th-2006, 01:58 AM

i truely second that opinion, i told a friend that just the other day. i'm sorry to hear about his misfortunes.
on a side note, if he does get cut, we as the redskin nation should say thank you again to the jets, this time for a "free" draft pick. :D

What was the draft pick that we got for Ramsey? Wasn't it 6th or 7th round?

Who did we get with that pick?

On another note, was Spurrier's first year also Ramsey's rookie year? Bcus I remember Dan W., Shane Matthews, etc... as the starters instead of Ramsey.