Randle El overrated?

[gostanford]

I was at training camp the other day and I saw ARE drop quite a few EASY passes. I really think people think too much of him just because of what he did in the super bowl and in the bengals game... I actually think Patten should be #3 and Randle El #4... sure hes got speed... but his pass catching ability isn't good enough in my opinion.

[cannonshogs44]

Lets see how pre-season goes first

[SkinsFTW]

Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?

[H-O-G]

Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?


wow...close the thread now, NAILED IT

:notworthy

[terpfan]

Yeah, because the one day you saw means more than the years of game tape the coaches watched before they signed him...

[ouvan59]

I saw Tom Brady throw two interceptions in his last game. Thank god we didn't end up with him.

[XxSpearheadxX]

It really isn't his speed that seperates him anyway, its his sick juking moves, he can start and stop even better than Santana I think, isn't nearly as fast as Moss, but he's one the best, if not the best, slot WR in the game.

[philal0102]

patten will be #3... el.... #4

[[[ghost]]]

i think its more hype than over rated. although the two can go hand in hadn, who here actually expects to see randel el catcha ton of passes? i dont. i expect him to be great on ST and to catch teh occasional pass out of the slot.

[headhunter39]

randle el is not a #1 receiver, but hes definetly not over rated.

[LiveStrongSkins]

I dont agree with the people saying Patten will take over the #3 spot. No matter who says what theres always politics. Randle-El being paid what he is would probably cause a big thing through the media about not getting enough balls and what not. On top of that, I think he is better suited for the number 3 spot anyways. He'll constantly be matched up against a nickelback and will rarely have to worry about safety help with Moss and Lloyd on the outside. I'm kinda nervous though about our wideouts. In Randle-El's press conference he was very quick and firm when saying he was brought here to be the #2 wideout. I hope theres no controversy this season with those guys. Everyone should get their fair share.

[terje]

I saw him today at camp and I didn't see him drop any passes. He will be number 3. the play calling you can make with him in the game almost gurantees the number 3 slot. teams have to respect the reverse and if it goes to him even the throw. And I still have yet to see patten do anything to take the spot from him. And we didn't pay that much for a #4

[XxSpearheadxX]

I dont agree with the people saying Patten will take over the #3 spot. No matter who says what theres always politics. Randle-El being paid what he is would probably cause a big thing through the media about not getting enough balls and what not. On top of that, I think he is better suited for the number 3 spot anyways. He'll constantly be matched up against a nickelback and will rarely have to worry about safety help with Moss and Lloyd on the outside. I'm kinda nervous though about our wideouts. In Randle-El's press conference he was very quick and firm when saying he was brought here to be the #2 wideout. I hope theres no controversy this season with those guys. Everyone should get their fair share.

I'm pretty sure El said he was brought here to "start" didn't he? That is what he said on the NFL network, post press conference. Did he actually say #2? We'll he'd have to be stupid to think he is a better #2 than B-Lloyd.

ARE is like a mini Warrick Dunn playing WR to me, he may not have the spectacular catches and the burner speed but once the ball is in his hands - watch the hell out because he can take it the distance any time he wants to.

Dude Patten is not better than ARE. Not at ALL.

[Califan007]

Yeah, because the one day you saw means more than the years of game tape the coaches watched before they signed him...
:laugh: ...WHY in the world people do not tell themselves this little piece of logic, I don't know...

[LiveStrongSkins]

I'm pretty sure El said he was brought here to "start" didn't he? That is what he said on the NFL network, post press conference.

ARE is like a mini Warrick Dunn playing WR to me, he may not have the spectacular catches and the burner speed but once the ball is in his hands - watch the hell out because he can take it the distance any time he wants to.

Dude Patten is not better than ARE. Not at ALL.

I never said he was better. I was just saying I dont think things would ever work out to where Randle-El would be the 4th wideout, no matter how good Patten looks. Randle-El will end up doing alot of damage as the slot where he can do just about anything except punt the ball...:laugh:

As far as the press conference, he did say he was told he was going to be the #2 wideout. Thats what was kinda worryin me.

[XxSpearheadxX]

I never said he was better. I was just saying I dont think things would ever work out to where Randle-El would be the 4th wideout, no matter how good Patten looks. Randle-El will end up doing alot of damage as the slot where he can do just about anything except punt the ball...:laugh:

As far as the press conference, he did say he was told he was going to be the #2 wideout. Thats what was kinda worryin me.

Yo, if ARE did a drop kick in the redzone next year, I wouldn't be surprised. I love watching Randle El juke guys out, it is so funny - he makes more guy's lose their jock each season than a poorly trained equipment intern.

When did we trade for Brandon?

[LiveStrongSkins]

Yo, if ARE did a drop kick in the redzone next year, I wouldn't be surprised. I love watching Randle El juke guys out, it is so funny - he makes more guy's lose their jock each season than a poorly trained equipment intern.

When did we trade for Brandon?

I'm not sure as to exactly when but both guys knew they were being courted. They both were at the Wizards game together with Archuletta, remember?

[JetSkins]

it depends on what you expect from him, hes not Moss but hes still does the little things to help the team out, and a gadget play here and there

[RonArtest15]

Theory: Maybe that #82 jersey still has some of Antonio Brown's soul attached to it....was it the pre-season game last year when he dropped like 4-5 balls? Man....then the fumble vs. the Bears in week 1.....seriously, ARE better have a priest stop by Ashburn and sprinkle some of that Holy Water on his jersey to get the demons out....

[Ant15fromNJ]

If we use Randel El as a regular WR and line him up yes he will be a bust but he will use him spotty and be good.

[manicd]

Yeah, I used to think the same thing about practice. If these guys are dropping passes without people ready to maul them, how good can they be? But, all QBs are going to throw with different velocity, angles, and spin. That is what continuity is all about. Once the starters are set, there will be a rythm, and I think Skins recievers will kick some ass. I saw something on the idiot box not too long ago, and even Jerry Rice said it was an adjustment going from Montana to Young, just because Young threw left handed. They'll be fine.

[bubba9497]

Sign him up as our new Player personnel director. :laugh:

seriously, one two hour practice the first week of training camp is the not the defining test of a players ability.

We have know what he's done in college and a pro up to now, and I would give him at least a complete season with the Skins before I would even begin rate his value to the Redskins

[fansince62]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?

[ntotoro]

ARE was said to be one of the biggest names in Free Agency after the Pro Bowl.

Then we signed him and suddenly he became overrated, overpaid, etcetera and so on.

[GestMuddaTruckaEver]

I think, isn't nearly as fast as Moss, but he's one the best, if not the best, slot WR in the game.

I believe brandon stokely has that title. he has a pretty decent qb to throw to him tho. . .

[turbodiesel#44]

Over-rated or not, no one can deny he is an improvement to the team. Go#82.

[fansince62]

geeez.....we aren't even a week into training camp. if he helps us beat dallas...it's a great pick-up!

[Indiana_Skins_Fan]

Please stop this nonsense...El is a competitor (ala Gary Clark) and will star as a starter or a part-timer. Of course I got a chance to watch him carry his college team on his back for 4 years so I am biased...but...in my opinion, easily the best acquisition of the 2nd Joe Gibbs era.
:logo:

[gostanford]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?
right on...

[Peregrine]

Which day of practice was this? I know for a fact that there were a few problems during the night practice. Because of the extreme heat we have been happening, when the temperature drops in the evening, the humidty goes up(and things get wet). I remember hearing from a number of players that things were fairly slick out there, so that could easily explain some of the drops on night practices.

[IrishOrange15]

Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?

David Patten. Brunnel (stunk in '04 and while good in '05, I don't think he's played to the level he's been paid), Casey Rabach (second in penalty yards allowed by centers in '05). You could make a case for Portis as well considering how far below his numbers are from his years in Denver.


Rich.........

[Warhead36]

Overrated by who?

People use the term overrated loosely.

Randle El is who he is: a great slot receiver, gadget man, and kick returner. If anyone else thinks hes anything more than they're mistaken.

[Smoot Point Really]

ARE is here to stretch the field sideline to sideline... Moss and Lloydd will be the deep threats, but Randel El will be there to catch the short stuff and keep Linebackers and Safeties heads on a pivot. Patten is decent, but he doesn't have the speed of Moss, the size of Lloydd, or the magic of ARE. He's a good player and I'm glad we have him though.

[9_to_42_td]

He is a Brian Mitchell type of player and will break some big plays for us.

[Craig]

Yeah, because the one day you saw means more than the years of game tape the coaches watched before they signed him...

Coaches saw game tape of Heath Shuler too before they drafted him....

[THEHEREAFTER]

Sign him up as our new Player personnel director. :laugh:

seriously, one two hour practice the first week of training camp is the not the defining test of a players ability.

We have know what he's done in college and a pro up to now, and I would give him at least a complete season with the Skins before I would even begin rate his value to the Redskins

I love catching skins fans conversing amongst themselves. They say the darndest things! This is when the real stuff comes out! I'm always lurking bubba! :laugh:

[Swift]

I was at training camp the other day and I saw ARE drop quite a few EASY passes. I really think people think too much of him just because of what he did in the super bowl and in the bengals game... I actually think Patten should be #3 and Randle El #4... sure hes got speed... but his pass catching ability isn't good enough in my opinion.

You know, I remember seeing one of our coaches salivate at the thought of ARE matching up against opposing teams' nickelbacks and LB's. You would think, especially after watching the guy in practice and watching his game film, that our coaches would be able to pick up on simple things, like the fact that ARE can't catch a football.

Man, our coaches suck. :(

[worstSeat]

You could make a case for Portis as well considering how far below his numbers are from his years in Denver.

That's going to be a hard one, seeing how he now holds the team record for yards.

And for Craig -- 1.) They saw college tape of Shuler, sure. 2.) Don't recall Gibbs watching that tape. ;^)

[turbodiesel#44]

Coaches saw game tape of Heath Shuler too before they drafted him....

Not with NFL level competition.

[JHair]

I hope you remember this thread when Randle El is running into the endzone vs. Minnesota week 1

[mcarey032]

I can tell you that the redskins aren't paying him money to sit there and be brought in on gadget plays. They want him to play and if that means they have to play him at the 2 slot, then that is what they are going to do. He might even get some special teams looks would be my guess as well. I doubt patten will be on top of ARE.

[JHair]

I can tell you that the redskins aren't paying him money to sit there and be brought in on gadget plays. They want him to play and if that means they have to play him at the 2 slot, then that is what they are going to do. He might even get some special teams looks would be my guess as well. I doubt patten will be on top of ARE.
You're right man, plus, not that he can help it or anything but missing the first week or so of camp with this meningitis isn't helping him either in the runnings

[SkinsFTW]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?


You proved my point. None of those were huge signings and none really sucked compared to expectations. Barrow should have been very good but he got injured. Not exactly my idea of sucking and underachieving. Brunell sucked in 04, but he was injured too. Name some starters instead of listing the nobodies that we picked up after no other team showed interest.

What I remember from 2004 was all the complaining about the players we overpaid. Griffen, Washington, Daniels, etc. Last year it was Moss who was overpaid, right? This year it's Randel el and Arch. Another season, another list of **** for whiners to complain about.

[terpfan]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?
Come on, none of those guys were big name players other than Barrow. And he got injured. They were pretty much all guys we just decided to give a shot. ARE is a proven vet that we put alot of money into.

[Jumbo]

David Patten. Brunnel (stunk in '04 and while good in '05, I don't think he's played to the level he's been paid), Casey Rabach (second in penalty yards allowed by centers in '05). You could make a case for Portis as well considering how far below his numbers are from his years in Denver.

Rich.........


I've seen that case made before by the rare specimen. It carries immediate negation of any intellectual credibility the presenter was ever hoping to establish. Welcome to that select group.

[SkinsFTW]

David Patten. Brunnel (stunk in '04 and while good in '05, I don't think he's played to the level he's been paid), Casey Rabach (second in penalty yards allowed by centers in '05). You could make a case for Portis as well considering how far below his numbers are from his years in Denver.


Rich.........

All 3 of those guys are major upgrades over the scrubs they replaced. Brunell should have been in the Pro Bowl since he had the 2nd or 3rd best numbers in the conference, same with Portis. Rabach isn't paid as an elite lineman and shouldn't be expected to play as one in his first season on the team but he is still much better than the revolving doors we had at center in 04.

Nice reach though. I mean, nothing like in 2000 when you could list every signing as a bust, but good try.

[gostanford]

I hope you remember this thread when Randle El is running into the endzone vs. Minnesota week 1
Thats definitely possible... but just because a player scores a touchdown doesnt mean hes amazing. Robert Royal scored a few TDs last year.. but he was horrible overall

BTW- I doubt he will score anyway

[[[ghost]]]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?

Walt harris didn't underachieve. he was brought in as the nickel, behind smoot. he was forced into starting after smooty left. but when rogers took up his won, harris was fine.


barrow? he didn't even suit up for us. not that thats any better than underachieving, but you can't call it that.

kozlowski was brought in as a blocking TE, what the hell did oyu expect?

that one play gave us teh lead against the cards. tha score gave us teh first of 6 wins.

[bubba9497]

I love catching skins fans conversing amongst themselves. They say the darndest things! This is when the real stuff comes out! I'm always lurking bubba! :laugh:



more like stalking :paranoid:


enlighten me, what is the point of your mindless quip? :whoknows:


you do go the long way around trying to make a point.... or I assume that is what you are trying to do.

[bubba9497]

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?


Maybe two names on that list were paid above the minimum, RALPH BRWON :doh:...talk about reaching to find something to complain about.

Harris first year he played great in the role of Nickel back, but when forced to start, he was exposed.

Kozo was a veteran brought in as a backup, blocking TE..... and did his job
Tony Dixon???? did he even get any money for the brief time he was in camp :laugh:

Barlow, injured, Holdman started 7 games, and played in the rest, not great but underachieved? He was signed as a backup to begin with, and was coming off a serious injury while in Cleveland. He was a weak link last season... but I can't say he underachieved, in the same sense as being applied in this thread.

Maybe if you said David Patten, you might have gotten a better response. Even though he was injured, and Moss total dropped when he got hurt, his production before being injured was not very good for the amount he signed for.

[moose0225]

[QUOTE=Swift]You know, I remember seeing one of our coaches salivate at the thought of ARE matching up against opposing teams' nickelbacks and LB's. You would think, especially after watching the guy in practice and watching his game film, that our coaches would be able to pick up on simple things, like the fact that ARE can't catch a football.

Man, our coaches suck. :([/

Now I've heard it all. :doh:

[sparkosaurus]

patten will be #3... el.... #4


I haven't been to camp (I'm in San Fran) but it sounds like Espy is crushing some of the field out there...while I heard Patten had been rocking for a while I think the virus might set him too far back (although his contract might keep him in the top 4 WR's)...if Espy is as good as what's been reported, I'd say Jacobs and Farris' days are certainly numbered.

[qcraftsman]

you haven't even seen him play in a redskins game yet and your already putting him out. NO WAY!!!

[sparkosaurus]

While there were flashes of brilliance, I would consider Matt Bowen an underacheiver...not a bust...he didn't suck...but I expected a lot more...anyone else agree??

Oh...and I'm sorry to say Taylor Jacobs...

but I can't recall if both of those players were signed before or after 2004...but it was close...

it's 5 am here in San Fran...my brain isn't awake yet!

[dallasfanforlife]

not sure about over rated...he hasnt played a game yet for the Skins. I would say "unknown"......gosh peolpe get jumpy this time of year.


keep this in mind though...no one fumbles like ARE, he puts that ball down like no other..

[turbodiesel#44]

not sure about over rated...he hasnt played a game yet for the Skins. I would say "unknown"......gosh peolpe get jumpy this time of year.


keep this in mind though...no one fumbles like ARE, he puts that ball down like no other..

He'll be putting the ball down in your end zone plenty.

[dallasfanforlife]

He'll be putting the ball down in your end zone plenty.

suuuure:rolleyes:

whatever you say, this from a guy that caught two td's all of last season and 1 was in the opener...

he did have 2 returns for TD's so hey a guy that had 4 TD's in 16 games is going to have plenty of scores in the two against Dallas......

:koolaid:

[Swift]

[QUOTE=Swift]You know, I remember seeing one of our coaches salivate at the thought of ARE matching up against opposing teams' nickelbacks and LB's. You would think, especially after watching the guy in practice and watching his game film, that our coaches would be able to pick up on simple things, like the fact that ARE can't catch a football.

Man, our coaches suck. :([/

Now I've heard it all. :doh:

:laugh:

I hope you didn't sign onto ES just to write that - my post was intended to be sarcastic. Anyway, wlecome to the boards...

:cheers:

[bbuzz1962]

Randle El, is a option player. He has many talents other than catching the football as a receiver. Remeber, he passed for a touchdown in the Superbowl. He is a fantastic special teams player, and can play quarterback if he had to in an emergency.


Let the man setlle in, and find his groove here guys. I think you will see some big plays from him, starting early in the season.

[SkinsFTW]

suuuure:rolleyes:

whatever you say, this from a guy that caught two td's all of last season and 1 was in the opener...

he did have 2 returns for TD's so hey a guy that had 4 TD's in 16 games is going to have plenty of scores in the two against Dallas......

:koolaid:

To be honest your team will have to score some points on our D for him to even have to. We seemed to do fine with just Cooley and Moss who outscored your entire team 5TD's to 2TD's in the 2 games. Hell, Betts and Sellers equalled Glenn and Witten and you would have been blown out 35-0 if not for the team laying off in garbage time. :D :D :D How's the Koolaid now?

[sag1277]

fellow fans,lets just be happy we are talking about are and patten instead of gardner and westbrook

[JPM285181]

I was at training camp the other day and I saw ARE drop quite a few EASY passes. I really think people think too much of him just because of what he did in the super bowl and in the bengals game... I actually think Patten should be #3 and Randle El #4... sure hes got speed... but his pass catching ability isn't good enough in my opinion.Randel El certainly has achieved much more than the Bengals/Superbowl game and if you followed him at all you would know that. That being said ARE is a total X-factor type of player. 1 game he will appear non existent the next he seems to dominate, with all of our weapons he will probably continue this trend thus making us harder to game plan for.

[jnhay]

nevermind.

[Christblvr]

He'll do fine this year. I think we'll see more from him then we've ever seen before. His responsibilities with us will increase. I predict his game will rise similar to what Santana did when he came from the Jets. I would also like to remind everybody that practice and game time can be completely differrent. Yes practice is important. But trust me, you really start to evaluate guys when they match up against other teams. We just need to calm down and let the season handle itself.

[Mister Happy]

He's only gotten significant playing time in the last 2 years. The Steelers were dead last in pass attempts for both of those years. Hines Ward didn't even get 1000 yards last year, and he barely got 1000 in 2004. Plax had less than 700 yards in 2004.

His stats are pretty good considering the lack of opportunities he gets.

People were saying Moss was a #2 WR at best based on his stats, and Moss gave the same reason. (The Jets were 30th in pass attempts for 2004.)

Even if Randle El is the #2 WR and he gets 500-600 yards, that is still a major improvement. If he does it as a #3 (like in 2004), that's even better.

[cscmtp]

I say we start whoever Gibbs and Saunders think we should start. ;)

[redskinsforlife]

micahel barrow

[ArmchairRedskin]

I love catching skins fans conversing amongst themselves. They say the darndest things! This is when the real stuff comes out! I'm always lurking bubba! :laugh:



Why're you always so condescending? http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_emoticons/default/boxing.gif

[SteelHack]

Randle El is a very solid player...but I never understood why the Redskins paid what they did to get him...especially when he is probably nothing more than a #3 WR for you.

Here is exactly why the Steelers drafted ARE.

His 40 time was good...but not lightning fast....

But when timed running a 40...sideways (ie facing forward....and running laterally) his 40 time was the exact same time....nobody does that....everyone is slower running sideways....but ARE was right there.

That being said...I think ARE is solid...and will put up ok numbers with the skins....his real value will be if he takes 2 punts to the house.

HACK

[bubba9497]

Why're you always so condescending? http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_emoticons/default/boxing.gif


especially when he has no reason to be :laugh:

I like how he always tries to allude to something without having the balls to come out and say it. Of course if he did, he would be horse laughed for making stuff up. :laugh:

[XxSpearheadxX]

I've seen that case made before by the rare specimen. It carries immediate negation of any intellectual credibility the presenter was ever hoping to establish. Welcome to that select group.
:laugh: :rotflmao:

Man my house was so humid until I read that, your wit so dry and harsh it sucked the moisture right out of the room!



But when timed running a 40...sideways (ie facing forward....and running laterally) his 40 time was the exact same time....nobody does that....everyone is slower running sideways....but ARE was right there.

That being said...I think ARE is solid...and will put up ok numbers with the skins....his real value will be if he takes 2 punts to the house.

HACK

I'm sorry man but NOBODY I mean NOBODY runs a 40 sideways the same speed they run it from a sprinting position. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Why're you always so condescending? http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_emoticons/default/boxing.gif


Just for kicks man. :laugh:

[blloyd33]

Gentlemen
Get a grip.
I'm not a big believer in stats, but does anyone have El's numbers on punt return average? Maybe yards per catch? I believe that he had 35 catches last year, not many chances really. Yards after catch? Total yards?

As for his salary, small minds worry about what others are being paid before they understand the contribution that is being compensated.

I personally will wait until I see how he is used and how he performs beforeI express an opinion.

Cheers

[Jumbo]

"And kicks just keep getting harder to find."


---Paul Revere and The Raiders.




:silly:

[Mooka]

Maybe we should just go with Taylor Jacobs and Jimmy Farris again? :whoknows:


:laugh:

Stop complaining, we have a real WR core now.

[HoyaSkins28]

i agree that randle el is overrated but i also think that patten is certainly not better than him. i agree with the Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Patten... etc

[XxSpearheadxX]

i agree that randle el is overrated but i also think that patten is certainly not better than him. i agree with the Moss, Lloyd, Randle El, Patten... etc

What is it that makes you think he is overrated? I am trying to find all these analysts and experts and mediots who are acting like he is more than he is?

[JPM285181]

"And kicks just keep getting harder to find."


---Paul Revere and The Raiders.




:silly:Just follow THEHEREAFTER long enough and you will get all the kicks you need

[bulldog]

Randle El is only overrated if the argument is whether he is a top receiver in the NFL.

Of course based on his numbers he has not to this point been a top player.

What he has been using a comparison to the NBA is a top 'sixth man'........a guy that comes off the bench and gives a team a boost offensively with his punt returns, catches, runs and throwing ability.

Yes, for the contract he signed it was a rich deal for a 40 catch receiver.

But for the Redskins, whose receipts are the highest in the NFL, why not make this move to gather in a player that can help win a championship? :)

Let's not pretend this hasn't happened in the past.

Teams regularly bring in veteran players that fit a particular niche to help them win in the postseason.

[bubba9497]

"And kicks just keep getting harder to find."


---Paul Revere and The Raiders.




:silly:


I like Cheorkee Nation :)

[Pocono]

"And kicks just keep getting harder to find."


---Paul Revere and The Raiders.




:silly:

Listen Gumbo...I don't know if you're just trolling or intimating that El has failing eyesight but he has never had a problem finding kicks in the past so they shouldn't be "harder to find" in the future. What may apply though is..

"And kicks just keep getting harder to return"

because he's going from the Cowher system of special teams to the Danny Smith system and Danny Smith may be the worst ST coach of all time. You see when he was hired by Ray Rhodes as the Eagle's ST coach Rhodes didn't check his resume closely and didn't notice that he coached Special Olympics and not Special Teams at Edinboro State. Smith belongs in a coaching meeting with Gibbs Saunders and Williams about as much as Ruth Bader Ginsburg belongs among the Juggies on The Man Show.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

He'll be putting the ball down in your end zone plenty.

Thank you for putting Dallas in their place. Reminder to put all everything Dallas in proper trash receptacle before leaving stadium. Thank you.
:dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :applause:

[Skins4481]

Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?

David Patten.

[Skins4481]

Please stop this nonsense...El is a competitor (ala Gary Clark) and will star as a starter or a part-timer. Of course I got a chance to watch him carry his college team on his back for 4 years so I am biased...but...in my opinion, easily the best acquisition of the 2nd Joe Gibbs era.
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:laugh:

I understand that he played for Indiana but damn dude. You seem to forget about players like Marcus Washington, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Mark Brunell...I think you get the point.

[JoeSkins]

What is it that makes you think he is overrated? I am trying to find all these analysts and experts and mediots who are acting like he is more than he is?

I think it's just the fact that he got an $11 million bonus to be a kick returner and spot wideout. Hell I thought Chad Morton was overpaid. :laugh:

[sparkosaurus]

fellow fans,lets just be happy we are talking about are and patten instead of gardner and westbrook


:cheers:

[sparkosaurus]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg belongs among the Juggies on The Man Show.


Thanks a lot Pocono...looks like I'll have to wait for breakfast to eat again.... :puke:

[SteelHack]

:laugh: :rotflmao:

Man my house was so humid until I read that, your wit so dry and harsh it sucked the moisture right out of the room!



I'm sorry man but NOBODY I mean NOBODY runs a 40 sideways the same speed they run it from a sprinting position. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a while.

Here are the things that I remember from the time the Steelers drafted EL....they were things that really stood out.

He was timed at around 4.42 seconds in the 40, but it was his quickness and elusiveness that made him stand out. At the combine he was tested in the cone drill and his time was so fast that scouts thought they mistimed him. So he did it again, and his time was even faster.

When he ran his lateral 40...it was slower than his straight ahead...but not by much...and again was asked to run it again.....and again ran a very impressive run (I should not have typed that it was exactly the same...but my point was that it was so close...no one believed it)

and at 5-10....his hands were the same size at 6-5 Plaxico Burress

HACK

[SkinsDukes]

Coaches saw game tape of Heath Shuler too before they drafted him....

Not these coaches....just for the record. ;)

[kingarthur65]

I think we're going to see a lot of 3WR sets this year. If ARE can be a reliable #3 he will see a lot of playing time. If he can't catch the ball over the middle, we'll go with a more reliable option... Patten.

[Pocono]

Thanks a lot Pocono...looks like I'll have to wait for breakfast to eat again.... :puke:

Come on....Justices on trampolines.....Picture it....Aren't folks like you from SF used to seeing the unusual?

BTW....For those thinking El will come in here after leaving the Steelers and run wild on punt returns. Here are the results of Danny Smith's work in Washington and the two years before that with Williams in Buf.

02 30th 5.2 yds per return
03 31st 6.0
04 20th 7.9
05 28th 6.0

[FootballGuy2677]

Yes, Randle El is overrated. I'm still happy we picked him up though. He can catch/run/throw the ball from the Slot and will make defenses think. Not to mention he can do KR/PR.

[JoeSkins]

02 30th 5.2 yds per return
03 31st 6.0
04 20th 7.9
05 28th 6.0

Danny Smith has had such gamebreaker returners as Nate Clements, Charlie Rogers, James Thrash and Antonio Brown in the past five years. It's not all about how you set up the return. In fact, with punt returns more so than kickoff returns, the pure athletic and return capabilities of your ball carrier are the biggest factor after your opponent's punter's skill. Danny Smith hasn't had anyone with Randle El's potential.

I'm not saying Randle El isn't overrated and overpaid, but he's still a definite upgrade over what we've had here both at wideout and at returner. Granted, he's only got a 9.5 career punt return average over four years, but he's got four punt return touchdowns (and a kick return touchdown the only season he did so full time) which counts for something in my book.

[blloyd33]

Not to sound harsh but, 11.5 million that Randle El reportedly recieved is guarantee money it is not a signing bonus. Know the difference?

[cmorina69]

randle el is not a #1 receiver, but hes definetly not over rated.


nailed it, hes good at what he does, witch is KR/ PR

[JimmyWilliamsFanClub]

Youre not a speller.

In order to be 'overrated' people must say that you are good, or above really good.

I never hear the media saying ARE is great, they just say he is versatile. That's it.

[MondayNightCowboyKilla89]

Theory: Maybe that #82 jersey still has some of Antonio Brown's soul attached to it....was it the pre-season game last year when he dropped like 4-5 balls? Man....then the fumble vs. the Bears in week 1.....seriously, ARE better have a priest stop by Ashburn and sprinkle some of that Holy Water on his jersey to get the demons out....

Do not forget this TD return against Arizona that couldn't have come at a better time. We were playing like **** that game and that pretty much was the catalyst for our winning streak

[blloyd33]

Sorry about the spelling.
My 2 year old is on my lap helping me type.

[Red Indian]

Im not sure if you all's aware of this but, according to most Steeler fans i've talked to, Randle 'El was the most UNDER thrown receiver in the NFL! For some reason Big Ben could never really hit him in full stride, which says to me that this guy is really quick and fast because Ben has a arm! Anyone remember this play last year in the playoffs? http://www.stillustronic.com/PIonEl.movRandle 'El flew right past Marlin Jackson but because the ball was under thown it wasn't a touchdown.
(Btw, you need quicktime in order to download this video. You can download it here http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html)

[rdsknfan]

My hope is that he will fit in nicely with the organization. If he is overrated, then it will show and adjustments will be made to compensate for that. I am just glad that we have more than just two receivers from last year (Moss, Cooley) to help open up the middle and provide opportunities for more deep pass options.


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[skinny21]

[QUOTE=moose0225]

:laugh:

I hope you didn't sign onto ES just to write that - my post was intended to be sarcastic. Anyway, wlecome to the boards...

:cheers:

Now that's class... well done. I also thought your post was amusing (I find myself wondering if certain people just don't really get sarcasm- no offense moose! welcome to the club!), so again, well done.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

"Who has been signed by the Redskins since 2004 that has sucked and underachieved?"

uhhhh...Holdman?!!

maybe....Walt Harris?

perhaps...Ralph Brown?

possibly...Mike Barrow?

errrrr.....Brian Kozlowski?

except for one play...Antonio Brown?

well....Tony Dixon?
Where are those guys? Geee....I don't see 'em anywhere. Holdman didn't contribute but he didn't lose games or huge assignments in games last year. I think he's underachieved, but he's still a great player, you'll see. Besides him, where are those other players? Right, you got it....gone. You're trying to make a point with scrubs from the last two years and you can only name a handful...you're not making a very strong case, are you?
So hey Mr. 18 year old kid who started the thread, where you playing college ball this fall? I figured since you know so much more than Gibbs and co. about Randle El you'd enlighten us with your expertise as to why one practice heavily outweighs a professional's overall re'sume'. I missed balls, baskets, and assignments in sports and I'm not playing professionally, but then again I guess one of the reasons is because I didn't help a professional football franchise win a Super Bowl Ring last year :whoknows: Give the guy a chance Pee Wee ;)
HTTR!

[jeronimobrat]

As far as what I've heard- ARE will just be our utility man! Bring him in for the Kickoffs, punts and slots!

[BigRay]

Youre not a speller.

In order to be 'overrated' people must say that you are good, or above really good.

I never hear the media saying ARE is great, they just say he is versatile. That's it.


You hit it right on the head :applause: .

[Langford78]

It really isn't his speed that seperates him anyway, its his sick juking moves, he can start and stop even better than Santana I think, isn't nearly as fast as Moss, but he's one the best, if not the best, slot WR in the game.

I agree. I saw a highlight clip of ARE and on a kick/punt return, he put a SICK move on the kicker that had me laughing my *** off. He didn't even have to break stride and the poor kicker never came close to laying a hand on him.

[pjfootballer]

I saw Tom Brady throw two interceptions in his last game. Thank god we didn't end up with him.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yeah thank God we had Jeff George and Heath Shuler and Sage Rosenfelds and Brad Johnson and Tony Banks and Danny Weurhful and Patrick Ramsey and any one else to take over for Brady.

[The Animal Trainer]

Is anyone here really rating ARE that highly??? He's at best going to be our #3 wide reciever, punt returner, maybe kick returner, and gadget play guy. I think he's going to be a good #3 wideout and will benifit from being matched up against nicklebacks and linebackers in the slot. If nothing else, he's a guy out there that teams have to cover, and that's an improvement from last year. Who did we have in the playoffs to take the heat off Santana..Jimmy Farris? James Thrash? I'd say we did well in picking up ARE. He fits under the cap, he WILL make some big plays, and it improves our team. I haven't overrated him. Maybe the author of this post did.

[Isifhan]

I think it's just the fact that he got an $11 million bonus to be a kick returner and spot wideout.

So you are positive that's all he's going to be huh? A spot wideout? Glad you know our playbook, just do us a favor and don't go yapping to the rest of the division.

How about you reserve judgement until you actually see what he does during the regular season.

[bbuzz1962]

ENOUGH ALREADY!! Can we please see the man play a game in a Redskin uniform before we rate him? The man has a great head on his shoulders, he has multiple talents on the football field, and he will help this team achieve it's goal.


There have been at least 10 threads started about this topic, and I haven't responded to any of them until this one. Quit the microscopic anylization, and wait until you see him ont the playing field before you make your mind up about on if it was a good move to go after him.

I think he will be dynamic on the field, and will surprise even the harshished critics. He played for a running team, who had a rookie quarterback, who was asked not to make throwing mistakes. So cut him some slack.

[pjfootballer]

Yeah, this is my first year on ES, but I can feel the chicken little "the sky is falling" threads everywhere. I just don't understand all the worry.