Eagles vs Raiders

[misterfan]

Did anybody watch the Eagles tonight. I thought the Raiders looked pathetic on offense and defense in the first quarter rather than the Eagles looked good.

The Raiders defense is clearly either old and tired(Sapp) or inexperienced. They just looked out of position as the Eagles offense ran down the field. Yet Chris Collingsworth couldn't say enough good things about the Eagles.

Anyway just wondering how everyone else viewed the Philthy Eagles tonight since they are on our schedule twice.

[Hooper]

All I know is the Steelers first-stringers looked horrible last preseason, couldn't get a first down.

Preseason means jack.

[CoachingWinsChampionships]

All I'll say is that when the Eagles can have consistent success running the ball up the middle against your defense, you're in big trouble.

Darren Howard looked good for the Eagles though. Surprised me. Also, that kid Irons(#96, the one that Madden said had the same body as his father) is one heck of a ballplayer. Raw, but he has great power and determination and hustle.

[SUSkinsFan]

If I was an Oakland player I would be embarassed to face my children. The way that Westbrook ran over them was just horrible.

:dallasuck :eaglesuck :gaintsuck

[ragemdw]

man i feel bad for bruce perry. hope he turns out alright. never want to see that happen to a guy..esp a terp.

[Mr. S]

it's the first game, i mean, can't really gauge much by that. It is why there is preseason. I don't think the Eagles looked that great either, with Garcia at QB I mean.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

You guys are missing the point..... FOOTBALL IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOO

And preseason means nothing but working out kinks and giving backups playing time to see who deserves a roster spot....

[OWUeagleMD]

Preseason means nothing.

I'd rather see McNabb go 3/3 with a little bit of a showing from the recievers than go 0/3, but, realistically there is very little worth taking from any preseason game.

[jrockster21]

The Eagles are good enough to stomp out an inferior opponent, which is what the Raiders are. They aren't good enough to win the division though...:)

[MissU28]

ew. Hard to root for either team, but if I had to, of course it would be anyone playing the eagles.

[Seabee1973]

Lots of losses for both teams. Did you guys see that the raiders offensive coordinater hasnt coached in 12 yrs?

[InTikiITrust]

Lets hope the Raiders line really stinks, cuz if they prove to be somewhat decent, everyone is in trouble. Westbrook looked like freakin Barry Saunders tonight.

[TheREALJBird]

Westbrook looked like freakin Barry Saunders tonight.

Never heard of em :D

[No_Pressure]

I was sitting with my brother watching it and he isnt much of a big football fan, I mean he watches Redskins games with us but he doesnt keep up with major NFL news and teams rosters or anything...all I remember is he looked over at me after the Eagles ran right down the field and he said:

"Alright, either the Eagles are amazing, or the Raiders defense is one of the worst in the NFL"

I'm still not sure if its one or the other or both...

[SackMachine]

The 1st stringers Eagles offence dominated the Raiders 1st stringers defence. Although both teams were just trying out plays and making sure their timing was right.

[DWinzit]

The Raiders are in the middle of a Norv hangover!

[jrockster21]

Lets hope the Raiders line really stinks, cuz if they prove to be somewhat decent, everyone is in trouble. Westbrook looked like freakin Barry Saunders tonight.

#1. Warren Sapp, their "anchor," is old and way past his prime. They lost Big Ted Washington, so their DLine is just bad. I think that Irons kid has some potential at DE, and Burgess is good as well, he just can't play the run well. Other then that, poor. Westbrook will not look like that playing in the NFC East.

#2. Who the hell is Barry Saunders?? Is that Al's illegitamate love child?? :whoknows:

[jrockster21]

Oh, and is Hank Baskett really the starter at this point?? Or did he just get the nod to see what he's got??

[Westbrook36]

Baskett is the starter right now because Pinky looks done, at least for this year. McCants and Lewis and even Gaffney are more slot type guys. I like Baskett, but the guy is a UDFA. Don't look now, but the Eagles/Lelie rumors are getting a little stronger. I think AR realizes he needs an elite deep threat since Pinky won't be of much use this year.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/15215809.htm


Last night, the NFL rumor mill was churning again with reports that the Birds were involved with Denver in a possible trade for wide receiver Ashley Lelie. An Eagles source confirmed the Birds have talked to Denver about Lelie, but denied that anything was imminent. Eagles sources say there is no chance the Birds will trade for Oakland's Jerry Porter...

[DWinzit]

#2. Who the hell is Barry Saunders?? Is that Al's illegitamate love child?? :whoknows:
You know....... at camp Al runs around the field like Barry!

[DWinzit]

the Eagles/Lelie rumors are getting a little stronger. I think AR realizes he needs an elite deep threat since Pinky won't be of much use this year.
This would make sense, otherwise too many slot receivers, not enough slots.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Whoever was on here givin' props to Jeff Garcia as some incredible QB is a fool.

[Birdlives]

Whoever was on here givin' props to Jeff Garcia as some incredible QB is a fool.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[macnoke03]

even though it didn't count, its always fun to see the Eagles lose...they better get used to it :eaglesuck

[hkHog]

For a team that is always supposed to draft so well the Eagles have terrible depth. Once the starters left the game they were really pathetic. They have some good starting players at a few positions but they are definately not as deep as the Redskins.

[dockeryfan]

The game was only on in the background at a party, so I only watched a little, but...
I thought the Eagles first units looked sharp.

1) They obviously were intent on practicing running. Reid started the game with two running plays. And unfortunately they looked good. Very good push.
2) Darren Howard. Good player. They lined him up on the inside one play with Cole I think on the outside. The Raiders were completely over matched. I think someone else was talking about them using Howard on the inside, and we definitely saw that last night.
3) Gaffney made a poor route/poor effort and caused the ball to be intercepted.
4) Justice is still a rookie. In with the second team and lots of mistakes. He was getting pushed around a little on the plays I watched.
5) Bruce Perry sucks donkey balls. And now he has a concussion. Couple fumbles.

They need a short down runner. If Moats is still out and Buckhalter's knees are made of styrofoam, they have to find another threat. No way Westy takes a pounding every game AND continues to catch the same amount of balls.
They need a deep threat. Personally I think they will be disappointed in Lelie, but that looks like the only option right now.

Even still, if I was an Eagles fan, I would have been pretty happy with what I saw.
:eaglesuck

[Number5]

The game was only on in the background at a party, so I only watched a little, but...
I thought the Eagles first units looked sharp.

1) They obviously were intent on practicing running. Reid started the game with two running plays. And unfortunately they looked good. Very good push.
2) Darren Howard. Good player. They lined him up on the inside one play with Cole I think on the outside. The Raiders were completely over matched. I think someone else was talking about them using Howard on the inside, and we definitely saw that last night.
3) Gaffney made a poor route/poor effort and caused the ball to be intercepted.
4) Justice is still a rookie. In with the second team and lots of mistakes. He was getting pushed around a little on the plays I watched.
5) Bruce Perry sucks donkey balls. And now he has a concussion. Couple fumbles.

They need a short down runner. If Moats is still out and Buckhalter's knees are made of styrofoam, they have to find another threat. No way Westy takes a pounding every game AND continues to catch the same amount of balls.
They need a deep threat. Personally I think they will be disappointed in Lelie, but that looks like the only option right now.

Even still, if I was an Eagles fan, I would have been pretty happy with what I saw.
:eaglesuck


I agree....


In my eyes, I was most impressed with the young LBs specifically Gaither, McCoy, and the #49 kid. Gaffney and Lewis didn't really do anything, but Avant showed that he can be a quality possesion receiver who has a bit of burst and some elusiveness......

[InTikiITrust]

Whoops! That's my mistake....too busy reading reports about your boy Al!

Barry Sanders*

[drowland]

The guy I noticed for the Eagles was Shawn Andrews. He was crushing the Raiders interior DL. It was pretty embarressing.

And speaking of embarressing, Robert Gallery really sucks. I remember the one knock on him coming out of college that people didn't really talk about was his short arms. He doesn't have the reach to get his hands on speed rushers and keep them infront of him.

[Who Del]

The guy I noticed for the Eagles was Shawn Andrews. He was crushing the Raiders interior DL. It was pretty embarressing.

And speaking of embarressing, Robert Gallery really sucks. I remember the one knock on him coming out of college that people didn't really talk about was his short arms. He doesn't have the reach to get his hands on speed rushers and keep them infront of him.

Trent Cole beat Robert Gallery so bad on one play. It wasn't even funny. Well.. ok.. yes it was.

[JohnLockesGhost]

I don't know what everyone is talking about. Oakland won 16-10. What a battle though. :)

[eagles78]

Whoever was on here givin' props to Jeff Garcia as some incredible QB is a fool.He played about 2 quarters of the first pre-season game; don't get me wrong, I wasn't any where near impressed with him, but still.......

[Taylor 36]

He played about 2 quarters of the first pre-season game; don't get me wrong, I wasn't any where near impressed with him, but still.......

.....he looked horrible. So, when McNabb goes down with another injury, look for Eagle Felons, I mean Fans, to start booooooing and throooowing crap all over that prison they call a stadium, because is not going to be pretty for them. For us, it will be like an island sunset though.:laugh:

[eagles78]

.....he looked horrible. So, when McNabb goes down with another injury, look for Eagle Felons, I mean Fans, to start booooooing and throooowing crap all over that prison they call a stadium, because is not going to be pretty for them. For us, it will be like an island sunset though.:laugh:
Garcia is still the best back up QB in the division by a lot. But that's okay, let's judge him by the little playing time he got in the first pre-season game of the year with a new team and offense. You should be more concerned with what happens if Brunell goes down than you are with McNabb.

[tr1]

Garcia is still the best back up QB in the division by a lot. But that's okay, let's judge him by the little playing time he got in the first pre-season game of the year with a new team and offense. You should be more concerned with what happens if Brunell goes down than you are with McNabb.

You gotta be kidding.

Garcia was throwing at people's feet, had no zip on the ball, and looked scared most of the night.

The guy was bad last year...the year before that...and the year before that.

Just hope McNabb stays standing straight up.

[eagles78]

You gotta be kidding.

Garcia was throwing at people's feet, had no zip on the ball, and looked scared most of the night.

The guy was bad last year...the year before that...and the year before that.

Just hope McNabb stays standing straight up.So are you saying that Garcia isn't the best back up QB in the division? Lemme guess, you think Campbell is, right?:rolleyes:

And let's not forget, if Garcia came into a game for an injured McNabb, he'd be playing with starters; not second teamers.

[DWinzit]

So are you saying that Garcia isn't the best back up QB in the division? Lemme guess, you think Campbell is, right?:rolleyes:

And let's not forget, if Garcia came into a game for an injured McNabb, he'd be playing with starters; not second teamers.
I'm sorry but presently your receivers and Garcia look like second teamers. And Detmer :doh:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Garcia is still the best back up QB in the division by a lot. But that's okay, let's judge him by the little playing time he got in the first pre-season game of the year with a new team and offense. You should be more concerned with what happens if Brunell goes down than you are with McNabb.



Saying Garcia is the best back up in the division ain't really saying much at all. He was way off on some of those throws.


Personally, I think Collins might be able to come in and manage the game pretty well in the event that Campbell isn't deemed ready. Collins may not make many highlight throws, but I think he can keep our Oline from being a hinderance to our defense.

Campbell, if he passes Collins on the depth chart before we start the season, he could very well bring more to the table than anybody here expects.

Hopefully Brunell stays healthy though. That way he can rest the last two games of the season before we take to Fedex and bring the pain.

[Westbrook36]

I thought Collins last played during the Clinton Administration. Someone help me out here. ;)

[Who Del]

When do we get to watch the Skins ****ty backups play?

[dockeryfan]

When do we get to watch the Skins ****ty backups play?
funny. You'll get your chance.

[jrockster21]

Baskett is the starter right now because Pinky looks done, at least for this year. McCants and Lewis and even Gaffney are more slot type guys. I like Baskett, but the guy is a UDFA. Don't look now, but the Eagles/Lelie rumors are getting a little stronger. I think AR realizes he needs an elite deep threat since Pinky won't be of much use this year.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/football/15215809.htm

I'm glad they aren't going after Porter -- I think Philly would be the right situation for him to flourish. Lelie is a speedy but inconsistent receiver; he'll fit right in with the Eagles current corps. :silly:


In my eyes, I was most impressed with the young LBs specifically Gaither, McCoy, and the #49 kid. Gaffney and Lewis didn't really do anything, but Avant showed that he can be a quality possesion receiver who has a bit of burst and some elusiveness......

I really wanted the Skins to draft McCoy a year ago, because I knew he was gonna be good. He looked really good out there, and will solidify the LB corps for a long time in Philthy. Good thing we got our own Matt McCoy undrafted (Spencer Havner).

[TheREALJBird]

Jeff Garcia is a DECENT QB but come on now....he couldn't carry that team if Mcnabb went down

Not necessarily saying Campbell or Collins could, but they'd be in a lot better situation than Garcia

[ArmchairRedskin]

I thought Collins last played during the Clinton Administration. Someone help me out here. ;)



Ha!


Well he's been in Saunders' system long enough and I'm sure he knows where to go with the ball. All we gotta do is protect him on passing downs and hand off to Portis. I think we'd be alright.

[jrockster21]

Ha!


Well he's been in Saunders' system long enough and I'm sure he knows where to go with the ball. All we gotta do is protect him on passing downs and hand off to Portis. I think we'd be alright.

Long term, I don't think Collins would be okay. So if Brunell went down week 5 for the season, Collins would have to give way to Campbell and start the JC era. But if Collins had to fill in for a couple games, I don't think we'd miss a beat. We have to see what he does in live competition first, but I think we'd be okay.

[Fred Jones]

Long term, I don't think Collins would be okay. So if Brunell went down week 5 for the season, Collins would have to give way to Campbell and start the JC era. But if Collins had to fill in for a couple games, I don't think we'd miss a beat. We have to see what he does in live competition first, but I think we'd be okay.


I agree. I don't have any problem with Collins coming in for a few games if needed. He won't light it up, but he would manage the game, don't make stupid mistakes and make enough throws to keep the defense honest.

Not hoping Mcnugget gets hurt, but if he goes down the Eagles will have a long season. Garcia just won't get the job done.

The Eagles defense looked good yesterday and looks to back in form. They are going to cause many problems for teams this season.

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

The guy I noticed for the Eagles was Shawn Andrews. He was crushing the Raiders interior DL. It was pretty embarressing.

Shawn is going to be the best linemen in the NFC East this season. :D

[eagles78]

Jeff Garcia is a DECENT QB but come on now....he couldn't carry that team if Mcnabb went down

Not necessarily saying Campbell or Collins could, but they'd be in a lot better situation than GarciaTodd Collins? Has Campbell ever taken a reg. season snap? I'm sorry, but I'll take a 3 time pro bowler over both of those guys.

[JStone2126]

That is a stretch saying Andrews is going to be the best OL for the East this season.
A REALLY HUGE streeeeeeeetch.

[eagles78]

That is a stretch saying Andrews is going to be the best OL for the East this season.
A REALLY HUGE streeeeeeeetch.It's not a stetch to say he'll be the best guard.

[JStone2126]

We will see, maybe the 2nd best guard in the East. Thomas is going to be hard to beat out.

[Westbrook36]

We will see, maybe the 2nd best guard in the East. Thomas is going to be hard to beat out.

Are you kidding? The physical skills and abilities of Thomas and Andrews can't even be compared. In his first season of playing, he was a PB alternate. He will start this year, and dominate everyone he faces.

[Eaglesfanfromfrance]

Did anybody watch the Eagles tonight. I thought the Raiders looked pathetic on offense and defense in the first quarter rather than the Eagles looked good.

The Raiders defense is clearly either old and tired(Sapp) or inexperienced. They just looked out of position as the Eagles offense ran down the field. Yet Chris Collingsworth couldn't say enough good things about the Eagles.

Anyway just wondering how everyone else viewed the Philthy Eagles tonight since they are on our schedule twice.

That was just a preseason game. That means nothing. I'm waiting the regular season.

[jrockster21]

Todd Collins? Has Campbell ever taken a reg. season snap? I'm sorry, but I'll take a 3 time pro bowler over both of those guys.

That's because you're a homer.


Are you kidding? The physical skills and abilities of Thomas and Andrews can't even be compared. In his first season of playing, he was a PB alternate. He will start this year, and dominate everyone he faces.

Hoooooooommmmmeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr....

[Westbrook36]

I agree. I don't have any problem with Collins coming in for a few games if needed. He won't light it up, but he would manage the game, don't make stupid mistakes and make enough throws to keep the defense honest.

Not hoping Mcnugget gets hurt, but if he goes down the Eagles will have a long season. Garcia just won't get the job done.

The Eagles defense looked good yesterday and looks to back in form. They are going to cause many problems for teams this season.

What do you have to carry you in Collins defense other than blind hope? Help me out here. Garcia is better than Collins, lock the thread.

[jrockster21]

What do you have to carry you in Collins defense other than blind hope? Help me out here. Garcia is better than Collins, lock the thread.

Why do you continue to overlook the obvious? Collins knows the system like the back of his hand. From what we've seen in practice and the scrimmage so far, he can hit the short to intermediate throws with no problem. That, combined with Portis, is plenty to "hold down the fort" for a few games. :rolleyes:

Man...I guess they don't make you any smarter while you prepare for deployment...

[ArmchairRedskin]

Are you kidding? The physical skills and abilities of Thomas and Andrews can't even be compared. In his first season of playing, he was a PB alternate. He will start this year, and dominate everyone he faces.



Yeah, just like last year when he gave up 3.75 sacks, had 5 false starts and 4 holding penalties. Thomas had 1 false start, no holding penalties and gave up 1 sack.

[ArmchairRedskin]

What do you have to carry you in Collins defense other than blind hope? Help me out here. Garcia is better than Collins, lock the thread.



Have you watched any of Garcia lately? Any of his games in Cleveland, or even his preseason throws against the Raiders? He stinks.

[DWinzit]

Have you watched any of Garcia lately? Any of his games in Cleveland, or even his preseason throws against the Raiders? He stinks.
Stating Garcia's play stinks is being civilized. I'm certain his last few teams would agree. Detmer on the other hand sucks.
Collins looked good when I saw him in camp. Bramlet looked better than Detmer.

[tr1]

Garcia is better than Collins, lock the thread.

:doh: :doh: :doh:

Garcia has steadily declined since he left SF.

He looked terrible the other night...in the Eagles' loss.

He has trouble with hand-offs, which isn't too bad...being an Eagle, he won't have to do that too often. His accuracy, however, should concern you.

[BigRay]

All I know is the Steelers first-stringers looked horrible last preseason, couldn't get a first down.

Preseason means jack.



:applause: :applause: :applause: amen

[eagles78]

That's because you're a homer.


:rolleyes: You've really got to be kidding me. If anything, you're an extreme homer. I know some Skins fans can be bad, but this is amazing.

Todd Collins sucks. Period. His career numbers are as follows: 55.3 completion %, 17 TDs, 19 INTs, and a 70.4 QB rating.

Call me when Campbell gets some PT.

And oh yeah, Detmer knows our offense like the back of his hand, so?

So, in conclusion I'm a homer b/c I'll take a 3 time pro bowler over a career back up and a young QB who's never taken an NFL snap. Gotcha.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Guys,

There's no way to dispute that Garcia is EASILY the best backup QB in the East this year. Now, if Collins has to come in and he plays well, then fine (same with Campbell). But based on experience and using all information we have at our disposal right now, it's not even a contest.

One thing that we have in our favor is that the Redskins as a team might be less QB-centric. I think the Eagles will miss McNabb more than we'll miss Brunell...but that's a different issue.

[eagles78]

One thing that we have in our favor is that the Redskins as a team might be less QB-centric. I think the Eagles will miss McNabb more than we'll miss Brunell...but that's a different issue.I can definitely agree with this. We would certainly be in more trouble if McNabb were to go down.

[jrockster21]

There's no way to dispute that Garcia is EASILY the best backup QB in the East this year. Now, if Collins has to come in and he plays well, then fine (same with Campbell). But based on experience and using all information we have at our disposal right now, it's not even a contest.

Garcia has played terribly in his past 4 stops. Yeah, he made probowls in San Fran, but then he lost his starting job to Rattay. RATTAY!! In Detroit he was awful, and in Cleveland he was awful. Its not much to go on, but he was awful in the preseason game against Oakland as well...and when you look at his past 4 stops, how can you say he's worth anything as a QB in the NFL??


One thing that we have in our favor is that the Redskins as a team might be less QB-centric. I think the Eagles will miss McNabb more than we'll miss Brunell...but that's a different issue.

This was my point. Collins could take over for a few games and we wouldn't skip a beat. The Skins don't rely on quarterbacks as heavily as other teams. This is why Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs.

[jrockster21]

:rolleyes: You've really got to be kidding me. If anything, you're an extreme homer. I know some Skins fans can be bad, but this is amazing.

Todd Collins sucks. Period. His career numbers are as follows: 55.3 completion %, 17 TDs, 19 INTs, and a 70.4 QB rating.

Garcia's last 3 seasons are as follows:
57.7%, 31 TDs, 28 INTs, and a 76 QB rating. His QB ratings the past 3 seasons were 80.1, 76.7 and 65.1, steadily declining. He's finished.


Call me when Campbell gets some PT.

You're the biggest homer ever if you say you'd rather have Garcia backing up McNabb then Campbell. JC is young with all the physical tools and loads of potential, while Garcia is in his last season or two, and playing TERRIBLE. Who cares if he has 3 probowls?? Johnny Unitas went to 10 probowls...would you want him QBing the Eagles??? :rolleyes:


And oh yeah, Detmer knows our offense like the back of his hand, so?

And so did AJ Feeley. He did pretty well, don't ya think? But its obvious he sucks, as he's been kicked around like a beer can ever since he left Philthy.


So, in conclusion I'm a homer b/c I'll take a 3 time pro bowler over a career back up and a young QB who's never taken an NFL snap. Gotcha.

This is a what have you done for me lately league, and Garcia has done nothing but look atrocious lately. Not playing >> playing HORRIBLY.

[Who Del]

Is Johnny Unitas available? ****... his corpse is already better than Detmer and Chang.

[drowland]

The arguement over backup QBs is kinda silly. Yeah, Garcia's not very good. But JC hasn't played a single snap and Todd Collins hasn't started a game since 1997. I guess I'll give the Skins the upper hand using the "what you don't know can't hurt you" rule.

[Westbrook36]

Why do you continue to overlook the obvious? Collins knows the system like the back of his hand. From what we've seen in practice and the scrimmage so far, he can hit the short to intermediate throws with no problem. That, combined with Portis, is plenty to "hold down the fort" for a few games. :rolleyes:

Man...I guess they don't make you any smarter while you prepare for deployment...

jrock, can we please keep personal shots out of this football discussion. Because, if need be, I'll put my accomplishments in the hardest branch of the US military against ANYTHING you have ever done in your life. That being said....

Collins knows the system like the back of his hand is your answer to why he is a better option that a 3 time ProBowler? And we are homers?!!? :laugh:

[ArmchairRedskin]

jrock, can we please keep personal shots out of this football discussion. Because, if need be, I'll put my accomplishments in the hardest branch of the US military against ANYTHING you have ever done in your life. That being said....

Collins knows the system like the back of his hand is your answer to why he is a better option that a 3 time ProBowler? And we are homers?!!? :laugh:

You might have a point if this was 2002

[Westbrook36]

What is 2002? The last time Collins made an NFL roster? :confused:

[JStone2126]

Are you kidding? The physical skills and abilities of Thomas and Andrews can't even be compared. In his first season of playing, he was a PB alternate. He will start this year, and dominate everyone he faces.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK:rolleyes:

[ArmchairRedskin]

What is 2002? The last time Collins made an NFL roster? :confused:



2002 was a time when Garcia was up the pro bowl level you keep talking about. 2006.....not so much.

[jrockster21]

EDIT: Not having this pissing contest...


Collins knows the system like the back of his hand is your answer to why he is a better option that a 3 time ProBowler? And we are homers?!!? :laugh:


You might have a point if this was 2002

EXACTLY. Eagle fans want to dimiss his performance the past three years, but it has been dismal. HE LOST HIS JOB TO TIM RATTAY. He was struggling winning the starting job in Detroit over no-talent Harrington before he injured his leg. He's washed up.

[jrockster21]

What is 2002? The last time Collins made an NFL roster? :confused:


You know, the last time Garcia resembled anything close to a decent QB??

[JStone2126]

You Philly fans refuse to admit that Garcia, in reality, just blows right now. He is on a DECLINE. Collins may be old, but he hasnt faced the abuse Garcia has over the years.
Collins is healthier, KNOWS THE SYSTEM, and thats why I would rather have him than
Garcia.

[smalex41]

Did anybody watch the Eagles tonight. I thought the Raiders looked pathetic on offense and defense in the first quarter rather than the Eagles looked good.

The Raiders defense is clearly either old and tired(Sapp) or inexperienced. They just looked out of position as the Eagles offense ran down the field. Yet Chris Collingsworth couldn't say enough good things about the Eagles.

Anyway just wondering how everyone else viewed the Philthy Eagles tonight since they are on our schedule twice.Pre-season, who cares ? !!! :(

[smalex41]

All I know is the Steelers first-stringers looked horrible last preseason, couldn't get a first down.

Preseason means jack.Less than that !!! :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

Garcia is an upgrade over Detmer. That's all that really matters.

[dockeryfan]

Honestly, I'd rather have Collins, given the choice.
He is able to teach Brunell and Campbell in a way coaches cannot. And Saunders wanted him for that reason. He'll be a fine backup. The Skins just ask their QB not to lose.

Garcia OTOH knows something about the WCO, so he was a fit for the Eagles. He didn't look good at all. He's an OK backup. But the Eagles ask way more of their QB. So the Eagles are much worse off if they need him to play in the regular season.

[eagles78]

Garcia's last 3 seasons are as follows:
57.7%, 31 TDs, 28 INTs, and a 76 QB rating. His QB ratings the past 3 seasons were 80.1, 76.7 and 65.1, steadily declining. He's finished.



You're the biggest homer ever if you say you'd rather have Garcia backing up McNabb then Campbell. JC is young with all the physical tools and loads of potential, while Garcia is in his last season or two, and playing TERRIBLE. Who cares if he has 3 probowls?? Johnny Unitas went to 10 probowls...would you want him QBing the Eagles??? :rolleyes:
What in the world is wrong with you? Of course I would want garcia over campbell at this point. This isn't who would take for the future!! We're talking this season. campbell has never even played in a regular season game. Get real.

[tr1]

jrock, can we please keep personal shots out of this football discussion. Because, if need be, I'll put my accomplishments in the hardest branch of the US military against ANYTHING you have ever done in your life. That being said....

Collins knows the system like the back of his hand is your answer to why he is a better option that a 3 time ProBowler? And we are homers?!!? :laugh:

WB plays the military card. :doh:

[tr1]

For those of you who haven't seen Garcia play during the last four years, I have.

He sucked...

I hope he plays this year for the Eagles.

[ArmchairRedskin]

What in the world is wrong with you? Of course I would want garcia over campbell at this point. This isn't who would take for the future!! We're talking this season. campbell has never even played in a regular season game. Get real.



Well, that's the homer in you. If you watched Garcia in that pre season game, there is nothing at all to indicate that he'd be better for the Eagles than Campbell at this point.


Whatever floats your boat, though. If Garcia as a back up makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, then more power to ya. I'm sure if McNabb goes down your former pro bowler can lead you to the promised land. :thumbsup:

[DWinzit]

Garcia is an upgrade over Detmer. That's all that really matters.
I can't see anyone arguing your point, not even Detmer.

[Westbrook36]

WB plays the military card. :doh:

I'm not the one who brought my personal life and professional abilities into this conversation. If you expect me not to defend myself, then you don't know me well.

[eagles78]

Well, that's the homer in you. If you watched Garcia in that pre season game, there is nothing at all to indicate that he'd be better for the Eagles than Campbell at this point.


Whatever floats your boat, though. If Garcia as a back up makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, then more power to ya. I'm sure if McNabb goes down your former pro bowler can lead you to the promised land. :thumbsup:He played all of a quarter and half with the second team! How can you sit there and honestly say Campbell is better option than Garcia? He has absolutely no experience.:doh:

[eagles78]

EDIT: Not having this pissing contest...





EXACTLY. Eagle fans want to dimiss his performance the past three years, but it has been dismal. HE LOST HIS JOB TO TIM RATTAY. He was struggling winning the starting job in Detroit over no-talent Harrington before he injured his leg. He's washed up.With all due respect, this isn't Cleveland or Detroit.

[OWUeagleMD]

For those of you who haven't seen Garcia play during the last four years, I have.

He sucked...

I hope he plays this year for the Eagles.

For those of you who haven't seen Todd Collins or Jason Campbell play in the last 9 years, you aren't alone.

Neither of them have. Not in the NFL, at least.

[tr1]

For those of you who haven't seen Todd Collins or Jason Campbell play in the last 9 years, you aren't alone.

Neither of them have. Not in the NFL, at least.

OWUMD...you're too clever.

Garcia looked horrible in the HOF game. McNabb is a real qb. Garcia wasn't well liked at the end of his career in SF (see TO). He's slower, has a weak arm and plain awful

Why the Eagles haven't drafted a young qb is beyond me. McNabb isn't going to last forever.

[eagles78]

You Philly fans refuse to admit that Garcia, in reality, just blows right now. He is on a DECLINE. Collins may be old, but he hasnt faced the abuse Garcia has over the years.
Collins is healthier, KNOWS THE SYSTEM, and thats why I would rather have him than
Garcia.And Gracia isn't familiar with WCO at all.:laugh: And it's not like he's playing for his former O coordinater in SF or anything.....

[OWUeagleMD]

OWUMD...you're too clever.

Garcia looked horrible in the HOF game. McNabb is a real qb. Garcia wasn't well liked at the end of his career in SF (see TO). He's slower, has a weak arm and plain awful

Why the Eagles haven't drafted a young qb is beyond me. McNabb isn't going to last forever.

I'm not the biggest Garcia supporter in the world. I just wanted to point out the logical flaw in your argument.

There's no need for the Eagles to draft a young QB yet, unless it's a late round pick like A.J. Feeley who can be groomed and traded for a higher draft pick.

The ideal time for a young QB to wait in the wings behind a veteran is 1-2 years. McNabb has much more time than that left in the league, so drafting a QB on day 1 is simply asking for a disgruntled player.

Well, obviously I'd love to have a backup like Matt Schaub, and I'd be more than willing to use a 2nd round pick on him. I just can't imagine many young QBs being too excited to come to a city where they know they won't play for 5-6 years.

[ArmchairRedskin]

He played all of a quarter and half with the second team! How can you sit there and honestly say Campbell is better option than Garcia? He has absolutely no experience.:doh:



He has no experience, but Garcia does and he stunk it up the last couple of years in different cities and in that pre season game. At least Campbell has some potential.

[eagles78]

He has no experience, but Garcia does and he stunk it up the last couple of years in different cities and in that pre season game. At least Campbell has some potential.So just b/c he has potential he'll live up to it? Tell that to Leaf. Listen, I'm not saying that Campbell won't be a good QB. What I've been saying all along is that if McNabb were to go down, I want Garcia over both Campbell and Collins. Perhaps Collins is better for your offense, but I'm talking about the Eagles offense, and I'd take Garcia all day. This season at least.

[ArmchairRedskin]

So just b/c he has potential he'll live up to it? Tell that to Leaf. Listen, I'm not saying that Campbell won't be a good QB. What I've been saying all along is that if McNabb were to go down, I want Garcia over both Campbell and Collins. Perhaps Collins is better for your offense, but I'm talking about the Eagles offense, and I'd take Garcia all day. This season at least.


Well you go ahead and take Garcia. Just don't be surprised if you suck again.

[OWUeagleMD]

He has no experience, but Garcia does and he stunk it up the last couple of years in different cities and in that pre season game. At least Campbell has some potential.

Potential is one of the last things to enter an equation for a desirable backup QB.

It seems plenty reasonable to me that Todd Collins is a better option for the Redskins as a backup QB, and Jeff Garcia is a better option as an Eagles backup QB. Both for the same reasons as well: extensive experience in the offense, history with offensive coordinator, veteran presence for a team with high expectations.

[eagles78]

Well you go ahead and take Garcia. Just don't be surprised if you suck again.Is that all you've got? Seriously, give me a good reason why I'd want Collins or Campbell over Garcia IN THE EAGLES OFFENSE.

[OWUeagleMD]

Well you go ahead and take Garcia. Just don't be surprised if you suck again.

If Garcia needs to start more than 2 games we are doomed. No question there.

Same goes for the Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Bengals, Giants, Cowboys, Seahawks, Chargers and Bucs.

The Redskins are one of the few contenders excluded from this group because, as mentioned in this thread, they demand less from their quarterbacks than most teams.

The Falcons are one of the few contenders whose chances would improve if their starter suffered an injury.