Indy's onside kick -- a punk move?

[fight_on_til_you_have_won]

If you're watching the Indy/St. Louis preseason game as I am, then you saw that the Colts started the game with an onside kick, which they recovered. Rams coach Scott Linehan looked PISSED.

The excuse of keeping a banged-up defense off the field doesn't fly with me -- inevitably, the game balances out and they're still on the field nearly half the game anyway. I think it's a BS move -- not only is it a preseason game, but it's the first one for both teams!

(Note: It's not that I'm pissed off about it, I'm really not. But I can definitely understand being pissed off if I were the Rams.)

What do you think?

[THEHEREAFTER]

Initially I was like wow, cheap move but who cares about perception. Who says you can't practice all phases of the game in pre-season?

[Santana_Fan]

Vinatieri looks real weird playing for them lol

[Skin Them Alive]

Initially I was like wow, cheap move but who cares about perception. Who says you can't practice all phases of the game in pre-season?

It would be better if you practice it when the other team would think it is coming. What the hell is the point of doin it then? It also tells other teams that they might do that in the regular season. YOu can practice onsides against your own damn team.

[OWUeagleMD]

Seems like a team practicing a play that often decides the outcome of a game.

Even when no one is expecting it, it's still something that needs to be practiced.

[panel]

Yeah, that is a hard play to practice, and isn't the point to do plays that your opponite does not want you to do?

[Skin Them Alive]

If you're watching the Indy/St. Louis preseason game as I am, then you saw that the Colts started the game with an onside kick, which they recovered. Rams coach Scott Linehan looked PISSED.

The excuse of keeping a banged-up defense off the field doesn't fly with me -- inevitably, the game balances out and they're still on the field nearly half the game anyway. I think it's a BS move -- not only is it a preseason game, but it's the first one for both teams!

(Note: It's not that I'm pissed off about it, I'm really not. But I can definitely understand being pissed off if I were the Rams.)

What do you think?

Karma just came back on them if that was their move. They get a safety and have to punt it right back to put that banged up D on the field. That is a sorry excuse if you ask me.

[Califan007]

It would be better if you practice it when the other team would think it is coming. What the hell is the point of doin it then? It also tells other teams that they might do that in the regular season. YOu can practice onsides against your own damn team.
Exactly..."practicing" an on-side kick on the opening kickoff of the first preseason game accomplishes nothing in terms of helping your ST execute one later in the season when you really need one.

[Skin Them Alive]

Yeah, that is a hard play to practice, and isn't the point to do plays that your opponite does not want you to do?

When the games count it is. How is that a hard play to practice. BS.

[Skin Them Alive]

Seems like a team practicing a play that often decides the outcome of a game.

Even when no one is expecting it, it's still something that needs to be practiced.

That is why you have something called............. Practice. I hope they come into Washington with that cocky ass attitude. Kick an onside on the first play of the game to us.

[BigRay]

Vinatieri looks real weird playing for them lol


Yeah, that does look weird as well as Glover now playing for the Rams.

[bubba9497]

best place to practice on side kicks, especially with the new rules

[Who Del]

It's the preseason.

[JoeSkins]

It's the preseason, so why show a hand you don't need to? It's not bad sportsmanship, it's just bad strategy.

[twenty-eight]

best place to practice on side kicks, especially with the new rules

Exactly. Practice for both teams....

[Skin Them Alive]

best place to practice on side kicks, especially with the new rules

What are the new rules?



I still think it is something you can practice against your own team. Hire refs like the skins do.

[Skin Them Alive]

Exactly. Practice for both teams....

It seemed like a quick smack in the face more than practice for the Rams. They are also playing like they didn't enjoy the way Indy decided to start the game.

[bubba9497]

It's the preseason, so why show a hand you don't need to? It's not bad sportsmanship, it's just bad strategy.


huh, how is it showing your hand?


What are the new rules?

new formation rules, you have to keep at least 4 pn each side of the ball

[OWUeagleMD]

That is why you have something called............. Practice. I hope they come into Washington with that cocky ass attitude. Kick an onside on the first play of the game to us.

Yes, screw that cocky attitude of theirs.

[bubba9497]

It's the preseason, so why show a hand you don't need to? It's not bad sportsmanship, it's just bad strategy.


huh, how is it showing your hand?


What are the new rules?

new formation rules, you have to keep at least 4 pn each side of the ball

[bubba9497]

That is why you have something called............. Practice. I hope they come into Washington with that cocky ass attitude. Kick an onside on the first play of the game to us.



then way do the play......... preseason games?

[OWUeagleMD]

then way do the play......... preseason games?

I'm with you Bubba.

They are either: practicing a play they might plan to use in the regular season, which though possibly poor strategy, is completely their perogative; practicing the logistics of the onside kick under the new rules, knowing that game speed is impossible to recreate in any practice environment; or, they figured preseason is irrelevant anyway, so no one would really care.

I don't see the problem.

[Skin Them Alive]

then way do the play......... preseason games?


To see other things than onside kicks on the first play. To see players on the bubble. To get players that don't play ofetn and rookies used to something closer to real game speed. This is a debate that that some people just won't agree on. Look at the poll so far.


Thanks for telling me about the new formation. I didn't know that was a new rule.

[DWinzit]

It's preseason. Would they be mad because a team didn't play a specific starter, no. Would they be mad if they only used a limited vanilla playbook, no. Who really cares?

[Buford]

Then you guys must have thought Spurrier was the ultimate preseason punk with the stuff he did.

[Skin Them Alive]

Yes, screw that cocky attitude of theirs.


They celebrated after getting it like they were in the playoffs or something, That is what made it more rediculous. The player who got was hyped. It wouldnt be as bad if they just walked off the field. When is the last time you saw an onisde kick the first play of a pre season game? I never seen it before because it is uncalled for. Why not just go for it on fourth downs too. It's only pre season. **** it.

[Skin Them Alive]

Then you guys must have thought Spurrier was the ultimate preseason punk with the stuff he did.

HE was. He was also an idiot for showing the league his whole playbook before the season starts. Do you think Saunders will be doing revsre passes with ARE in pre season?

[Buford]

I think an onside kick in the preseason is no big deal. Its done the same by everybody.

[DWinzit]

Then you guys must have thought Spurrier was the ultimate preseason punk with the stuff he did.
Preseason punk? He was a full year ass!!!:pooh:

[bubba9497]

To see other things than onside kicks on the first play. To see players on the bubble. To get players that don't play ofetn and rookies used to something closer to real game speed. This is a debate that that some people just won't agree on. Look at the poll so far.


Thanks for telling me about the new formation. I didn't know that was a new rule.


And to work on new plays, formations, areas of concern, etc.....

If they did a on side kick leading by 14 in the 4th quarter, I could understand it... but was only the opening kickoff

[kevinklein]

It was genius.

[Skin Them Alive]

And to work on new plays, formations, areas of concern, etc.....

If they did a on side kick leading by 14 in the 4th quarter, I could understand it... but was only the opening kickoff

I get what you are saying but It just won't be something you see Joe Gibbs do or many other teams ever again. It was just wierd to begin with that. Hell. Maybe the coach asked Dungy to do it so he could see how they respond. Doubt that. But the **** knows. I;m done having a **** fit about it. Maybe I'm just building my hate up for the Colts since we will actually play them this year.

[Fifty Gut]

it's preseason who cares

[Alabama Man]

Bahaha anybody whining about this shouldn't be watching football.

Your allowed to do this. You are aloud to run up the score. Scott Linehan was pissed because they lost that play. Teams that get the score run up on them are pissed because they can't stop it. No mercy.

[KDawg]

Yeah, chances are Linehan was pissed because they gave up the ball and not at the Colts...

[MattGeorge85]

Acting like they're playing Madden '07 but in real life.

:coltsuck:

[Hershey Pork]

What they did was illegal. If you look in the rule book, section 46 paragraph A:1 subparagraph 9, line 22, it cleary states, "You may not kick an onside kick in the preseason, if you are the Colts playing against the Rams in St. Louis. The penalty for such an offense is one regular season loss, chosen by the fans, preferably Patriots fans.". So as you can see, what the Colts did was clearly against the rules, and appropriate action shall be taken by the NFL.





You guys need to get a grip. :rolleyes:

[Who Del]

What they did was illegal. If you look in the rule book, section 46 paragraph A:1 subparagraph 9, line 22, it cleary states, "You may not kick an onside kick in the preseason, if you are the Colts playing against the Rams in St. Louis. The penalty for such an offense is one regular season loss, chosen by the fans, preferably Patriots fans.". So as you can see, what the Colts did was clearly against the rules, and appropriate action shall be taken by the NFL.





You guys need to get a grip. :rolleyes:

OMG. I just checked the NFL Rulebook (I have a few lying around) and you're right. YOU ARE SO RIGHT.

[JoeSkins]

huh, how is it showing your hand?

That pretty much eliminates your team's ability to do that same exact move when the game actually counts.

[ouvan59]

That pretty much eliminates your team's ability to do that same exact move when the game actually counts.

Yeah, because Dallas would never throw a trick pass against us like they did two years ago. Oh wait, they did it again last year and it worked.

Every team has the onside kick. Every team knows that other teams might use it. Every ST coach should have their team expect it every time out. Kicking it in the first preseason game will have no effect in week 12 of the regular season.

And to the people complaining about it, I would be willing to bet that Scott Linehan is actually pretty happy it happened. This is the type of lack of concentration that he can harp on to prove a point.

[Coooleeey]

It worked, all the haters need to get over it. The Rams had just as much of a chance to get the ball and have great field position. Something tells me this thread would be a lot different had they not recovered.

The title of the thread would be "Indy's onside kick - idiots" but since they actually recovered they are punks?

[JoeSkins]

Every team has the onside kick. Every team knows that other teams might use it. Every ST coach should have their team expect it every time out. Kicking it in the first preseason game will have no effect in week 12 of the regular season.

There's a difference between knowing something is there and making a point of emphasis on it. I didn't say it would make the Colts a worse team or chance their record, it just eliminates options.

[Grimm]

It's the preseason.

Exactly, who cares

[JoeSkins]

Exactly, who cares

I'll admit it. I love preseason football more than baseball at the moment, since my poor Jays stink stank stunk.

[Switchgear]

Bahaha anybody whining about this shouldn't be watching football.

Your allowed to do this. You are aloud to run up the score. Scott Linehan was pissed because they lost that play. Teams that get the score run up on them are pissed because they can't stop it. No mercy.

It's true that teams are allowed to run the score up, but it's a classless move. For instance, once the Skins were up 35 to 0 on the boys last season Gibbs went to a very vanilla offense, because there was no reason to pile it on at that point.

Quick question; how can you spell allowed right then screw it up in the very next sentence? It boggles the mind.

[turbodiesel#44]

Ok with me, it's not against the rules. Kind of pointless to practice it by suprise. How often does that happen in a real game? Not very.

[Chachie]

I think it was a cheap move BECAUSE it's only preseason, but I don't really care. It was something exciting to see.

[Skin Them Alive]

Ok with me, it's not against the rules. Kind of pointless to practice it by suprise. How often does that happen in a real game? Not very.

That was pretty much my point but no one cared or got it. That is cool. Like I said before. Gibbs would of never done that.