How can holding out NOT be a negative??

[jrockster21]

I posed this question in the Darwin Walker fractured rib thread, but no Eagles fan would answer. So now I pose this question to everyone; how can holding out of camp NOT be a detriment?

Certain people seem to think Bunkley will be fine after missing 29 practices and 16 days of camp. They also seem to think simply because Corey Simon had 10 sacks after holding out, Bunkley will do the same thing.

My contention is that a holdout of that magnitude has immeasurable consequences, and could seriously affect Bunk's play this year. Any Eagle fans (or any other team) want to challenge this notion???

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

You also have to take into account that the Eagles went to camp a week to 10 days earlier than most teams because they played in the hall of fame game. Bunkley still has ample practices and 3 preseason games left to get acclimated to our system and the nfl game. He's already played in one game, and since we have an extra game it's not a huge deal.

Btw, did you watch any of the game last night? Probably not if you're not a local to either city, but Bunkley looked great for the little time he played. The guy is going to be a player.

[Who Del]

Who is Bunkley?

Hank Baskett 4 MVP. Can the mods change my name? :D

[jrockster21]

You also have to take into account that the Eagles went to camp a week to 10 days earlier than most teams because they played in the hall of fame game. Bunkley still has ample practices and 3 preseason games left to get acclimated to our system and the nfl game. He's already played in one game, and since we have an extra game it's not a huge deal.

Btw, did you watch any of the game last night? Probably not if you're not a local to either city, but Bunkley looked great for the little time he played. The guy is going to be a player.


Naw...we had Indy/St. Louis out here. But from what I understand, Bunk only played for like 3 snaps. And it was against the Browns.

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

Yea, and in those 3 series he ran a stunt with LaJuan Ramsey(our other rookie DT who is looking pretty damn good himself, got a sack last night) and hit the qb as he released the ball causing an incompletion. He's also tough to block one on one, he's just too strong and bullies guys into the backfield, did that a couple times last night. That's with all of one TC practice under his belt.

Anything about the rest of my post though? The missed isn't as critical as it seems because the Eagles and Bunk still have a lot of time until the season starts.

[kingfish50]

Yea, and in those 3 series he ran a stunt with LaJuan Ramsey(our other rookie DT who is looking pretty damn good himself, got a sack last night) and hit the qb as he released the ball causing an incompletion. He's also tough to block one on one, he's just too strong and bullies guys into the backfield, did that a couple times last night. That's with all of one TC practice under his belt.

Anything about the rest of my post though? The missed isn't as critical as it seems because the Eagles and Bunk still have a lot of time until the season starts.
The key word here is,The Browns! I don't care if he bitched slapped the QB 10 times in a row, it's the Browns. Was that against thier starters or the rookies?
Ask any coach or veteran player if missing 25+ practices doesn't affect your play. Put him in for a full quarter against the starters (of any team) and I guarantee you, he'll make a Pee Wee football player look like an All Pro.
This guy might eventually come around and be a good player, but right now, he's way behind in knowing the schemes, techniques, timing and chemistry of the defense.
Come back here after your first game and let us know how much time he played and how he looked, then you can judge wether missing a whole month of training camp matters or not.

[Birdlives]

The key word here is,The Browns! I don't care if he bitched slapped the QB 10 times in a row, it's the Browns. Was that against thier starters or the rookies?
Ask any coach or veteran player if missing 25+ practices doesn't affect your play. Put him in for a full quarter against the starters (of any team) and I guarantee you, he'll make a Pee Wee football player look like an All Pro.
This guy might eventually come around and be a good player, but right now, he's way behind in knowing the schemes, techniques, timing and chemistry of the defense.
Come back here after your first game and let us know how much time he played and how he looked, then you can judge wether missing a whole month of training camp matters or not.

You forgot to mention conditioning. Playing 3 snaps or even an entire series is nothing compared to playing an entire game. One series, great, you've gone three and out once. Then by the second quarter, the opposing team is running right at you because you're sucking wind. Even worse, you can get hurt easily because you can't go full bore. Missing training camp is detrimental 19 times out of 20. Are there exceptions? Of course. But it's the exception, not the rule.

Either way, from what I saw, the eagles D-Line is going to be good. They probably will be able to bring him along slowly.

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

If your point is that missing that time in training camp hurts him then there's no question the answer is yes. However, he has a lot of time to catch up.

Conditioning? Have you ever seen Bunkley? The guy isn't in football shape at the moment but he has a body like never before seen on a 300+ pounder in the nfl. He'll be fine by the time the season comes around, there are still 3 games left in the preseason and a complete month until the first game. Plus, the Eagles rotate their DT's a lot anyway so barring injury he won't be playing tired if Jim Johnson has it his way.

Learning the playbook? Yea, he's not going to learn the whole playbook right away, but he's a freakin DT! The easiest postion on the football field to learn.

All of these are minor questions, nothing serious. You guys are overreacting.

[Jumbo]

Who is Bunkley?

Hank Baskett 4 MVP. Can the mods change my name? :D


Yes, but so far we can't get the #1 choice past the obscenity filters.





















hehehehe :D

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

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Does he look that out of shape that he can't get into form in a month? No.

[Jumbo]

I think hold out always put you in a hole with ev4ryone, but the better the talent and the atitude when you hit the field, the quicker its forgotten. So the big question in these cases is: is the talent and personality solid or is it still undetermined (knowing it always is to some extent)? That's where the risk is.

I think its worse with certan positons of course, like QB or WR, where complexity of the playbook and player-to-player-to-coach chemistry or even more critical than most other positions. Or when a team drafted somebody because of a clear need at a position and the player holds out, thus feeding the emotional sensation of being held up for a type of "ransom" more of a pssible reaction for fans, staff, and teamates.

[Westbrook36]

It is a detriment....just not to the level a biased Redskins fan would want someone to believe. The depth of your OL is going to be a detriment to your team this year. I bet you'd love the opportunity to argue the other side of that, wouldn't you? Its all about prespective and rationalizing how much harm something can/will have over a 16 game season.

[Skin Them Alive]

It's not good that he is holding out but atleast he plays DT.As long as he stays in shape it shouldn't be that hard for him to adjust to NFL. If it was a CB,QB,WR, it would matter a lot more. There is defintely nothing positive coming from it other than he won't be getting injured.

[Skin Them Alive]

It is a detriment....just not to the level a biased Redskins fan would want someone to believe. The depth of your OL is going to be a detriment to your team this year. I bet you'd love the opportunity to argue the other side of that, wouldn't you? Its all about prespective and rationalizing how much harm something can/will have over a 16 game season.


Yeah. That has a lot to do with this thread. Have fun with Hank Basket and that deep wr core. Who Del will buy you a jersey.:laugh:

[Who Del]

jrock this is tr1-esque. But I love you.

[Westbrook36]

The irony is that jrock was one of STs biggest supporters when he wasn't returning Gibbs calls or showing up at offseason workouts. :laugh:

[Skin Them Alive]

The irony is that jrock was one of STs biggest supporters when he wasn't returning Gibbs calls or showing up at offseason workouts. :laugh:

What does that have to do with the fact that the guy you had a mancrush on is holding out? :laugh: Where the signature go?

[Pocono]

This is a real reach and hardly deserving of it's own thread IMO. There are holdouts and there are HOLDOUTS. He reported 36 days before the team's first game and was present for the mini camps when they installed the D. He'll still play in 4 fake phoney games which is the norm. In a perfect world it would have been better for him to be there but one positive that came out of it was a lot more PT for 6th rd pick Ramsey who didn't play a lot at USC and he has made the most of it and has been very impressive.

[jrockster21]

It is a detriment....just not to the level a biased Redskins fan would want someone to believe. The depth of your OL is going to be a detriment to your team this year. I bet you'd love the opportunity to argue the other side of that, wouldn't you? Its all about prespective and rationalizing how much harm something can/will have over a 16 game season.

Westy, Westy, Westy...typical. In a thread about the Eagles you bring up the Skins offensive line. You must be more scurred then I originally thought!!


The irony is that jrock was one of STs biggest supporters when he wasn't returning Gibbs calls or showing up at offseason workouts. :laugh:

Where do you get your material?? You seriously need to stop blatantly lying...it only makes you look more like an idiot.

[jrockster21]

Yeah. That has a lot to do with this thread. Have fun with Hank Basket and that deep wr core. Who Del will buy you a jersey.:laugh:


What does that have to do with the fact that the guy you had a mancrush on is holding out? :laugh: Where the signature go?

Thanks for the support STA. You're new, so let me introduce you to Westbrook36. His idea of arguing about the Eagles is pointing out what he feels to be the Skins deficiencies. This is because he has no retort for the anti-Eagles comments. He is a true Tater (Eagles uber-homer).

[Westbrook36]

jrock calling someone a homer is hilarious.

[jrockster21]

jrock calling someone a homer is hilarious.

Westbrook, you are by far the biggest tater on this board. I have confirmation on that from at least one other Eagle fan, and others simply smile and nod when you post. Its funny to me that you think you're this monument to objectivity when in reality, you're such a tater that you provide hours of laughter for the rest of us.

Get a clue, dude.

[Who Del]

I have a Baskett jersey on order. Who wants one? I don't care. I love Baskett. **** the haters!!!

[Skin Them Alive]

Thanks for the support STA. You're new, so let me introduce you to Westbrook36. His idea of arguing about the Eagles is pointing out what he feels to be the Skins deficiencies. This is because he has no retort for the anti-Eagles comments. He is a true Tater (Eagles uber-homer).

No problem. I have posted here here before under a different name. For some damn reason it wouldn't let me log in. So I decided to start a new count. I was never banned or anything. It just wouldn't let me log in any more.Oh well that's 1500 posts down the drain. That is why I knew about the pic that westbrook used to drool too.:laugh:


I have a Baskett jersey on order. Who wants one? I don't care. I love Baskett. **** the haters!!!


I take one and I'll store it in the back of my closet for a couple years. It better gain some value because right now it isn't worth ****. :laugh:

[turbodiesel#44]

I have a Baskett jersey on order. Who wants one? I don't care. I love Baskett. **** the haters!!!

I've seen a Jersey Basket. WTF is a Basket Jersey?

[twenty-eight]

I've seen a Jersey Basket. WTF is a Basket Jersey?

basket is some bum ass wr for the eagles. WTF is a jersey basket?

[Westbrook36]

I like Baskett's potential. It would be nice to have him team up with Reggie Brown for about the next 6 years without having the inevitable WR question every single year.

[turbodiesel#44]

basket is some bum ass wr for the eagles. WTF is a jersey basket?

It's what you carry your eggs in to the Meadowlands.