AP: More injuries deplete Eagles' backfield

[tr1]

The Associated Press
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/99-08122006-696829.html


PHILADELPHIA - In a week, Marty Johnson went from playing cards and video games to being the Philadelphia Eagles' leading rusher.

Johnson was working a 9-to-5 job after being released by the Denver Broncos when the Eagles signed him earlier this week to provide depth to an injury-depleted backfield.

Johnson practiced with the team twice and then ran for 47 yards on 12 carries in Thursday night's 20-7 preseason victory over Cleveland.

"Last Thursday, I was playing poker and 'Madden.' This Thursday, I'm in an NFL game," Johnson said after his debut with the Eagles. "You hate to see people get hurt, but sometimes that's what it takes to get an opportunity."

The Eagles already were without Ryan Moats (knee) and Correll Buckhalter (knee) when starter Brian Westbrook (foot) and Bruce Perry (concussion) got hurt in the team's preseason opener against Oakland.

Reno Mahe started against the Browns and ran seven times for 10 yards, before sustaining a concussion. Fullbacks Jason Davis and Thomas Tapeh split the carries until Johnson entered in the second half.

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[Westbrook36]

Marty Johnson is the next Barry Sanders.

[Theo]

Meanwhile... Westbrook, Moats and Buckhalter are all expected to see time vs the Ravens next week.

[GSF]

The Eagles runningbacks are a bunch of wussies.

[DieselPwr44]

Passing on Lendale White will haunt the Eagles............

[Larry Brown #43]

"Reno Mahe started against the Browns and ran seven times for 10 yards, before sustaining a concussion."

:doh:

[jrockster21]

Passing on Lendale White will haunt the Eagles............


White is on the fast track to lockerroom cancerville...he's already generated a lot of animosity for spitting on his own teammate in practice. Plus, his showing at the combine was pathetic. I think at best he becomes another Ron Dayne, but most likely he'll play 2 or 3 years in obscurity and leave the NFL.

:2cents:

[Live4Skins]

Marty Johnson is the next Barry Sanders.

:laugh: :applause:


Peace, HTTR & TITY!!!

[tr1]

Ya know, maybe the Eagle's RBs aren't that bad...it's the line blocking for them...

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

Will you just shut your mouth until the season starts. Nothing can be proven or unproven until the real games are played. We'll find out soon enough who's right.

[Westbrook36]

The Eagles runningbacks are a bunch of wussies.

Have you ever played football besides on Madden? How bout you suit up, play 4 years of HS, 4 years of college, then make an NFL roster? All with men who outweigh you by 30-100 lbs pounding you on every play. Players get dinged up. It happens to every team. Because it is a long season, Reid is being overly cautious with his skill position players.

I love internet messageboard know it alls who are more of men then NFL players.

[tr1]

Will you just shut your mouth until the season starts. Nothing can be proven or unproven until the real games are played. We'll find out soon enough who's right.

Golly, MNOFX, you're a bit touchy, aren't you?

You have no concerns about your o-line?

[Westbrook36]

Ya know, maybe the Eagle's RBs aren't that bad...it's the line blocking for them...

Eagles have the best OL in the NFC. They are roadgraders and they have the depth that over teams WISH they could have. Like your Redskins, who are one injury away from a thrown away season.

[Westbrook36]

Golly, MNOFX, you're a bit touchy, aren't you?

You have no concerns about your o-line?

Please! No, I have no concerns.

Real quick, tell me your backups at every postion on your OL!

Your OL depth is worse than Dallas. The fact you even try to question the Eagles OL is a joke. :laugh:

[tr1]

Eagles have the best OL in the NFC.

WB, you're not baiting are you?

Maybe you want to retract that statement?

[tr1]

Please! No, I have no concerns.

Real quick, tell me your backups at every postion on your OL!

Your OL depth is worse than Dallas. The fact you even try to question the Eagles OL is a joke. :laugh:

Our starters got the playoffs last year and won one game. How'd your o-line do?

[Westbrook36]

Why would I retract it?

Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan

Across the board, you can't find a larger, more athletic line in the league. Plus, our backups at every position is the envy of every team in the NFL.

[Westbrook36]

Our starters got the playoffs last year and won one game. How'd your o-line do?

Ok, your kicker was on a team that got to the playoffs last year and won one game. Does that make your kicker better than the Eagles?

How bout you try talking in fact, for once, instead of dancing this same tired dance?

[tr1]

Ok, your kicker was on a team that got to the playoffs last year and won one game. Does that make your kicker better than the Eagles?

How bout you try talking in fact, for once, instead of dancing this same tired dance?


"The Eagles rushed for 104 yards on 39 attempts Thursday, an average of just 2.7 yards per carry. Mahe started, rushed seven times for 10 yards and definitively proved he is not a goal-line back (Mahe was turned aside twice at the goal line). Then he left with a concussion, and the Eagles were left with . . .

Well . . . who, exactly?"

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060812/COLUMNISTS14/608120352/1063/SPORTS

Yup, best damned o-line in the NFL.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

Forget it. The Skins are better than the Eagles AT EVERY SINGLE POSITION, because they progressed further last year. How is that for proof!!?

We can stop having rational football discussions because the above sentence answers any question that might come up.

You argue like a 4 year old.

[tr1]

BTW, has Andy said which part of WB's foot is sprained?

[tr1]

Forget it. The Skins are better than the Eagles AT EVERY SINGLE POSITION, because they progressed further last year. How is that for proof!!?

We can stop having rational football discussions because the above sentence answers any question that might come up.

You argue like a 4 year old.

I'm trying to dumb it down for you WB.

[Westbrook36]

"The Eagles rushed for 104 yards on 39 attempts Thursday, an average of just 2.7 yards per carry. Mahe started, rushed seven times for 10 yards and definitively proved he is not a goal-line back (Mahe was turned aside twice at the goal line). Then he left with a concussion, and the Eagles were left with . . .

Well . . . who, exactly?"

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060812/COLUMNISTS14/608120352/1063/SPORTS

Yup, best damned o-line in the NFL.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Well, you had a RB that was playing Nintendo on Tuesday, running behind guys on the line that will be playing Nintendo on Opening day.

Do a little research and tell me how our starting RB ran behind our starting OL this preseason.

Of those 39 attempts, tell me how many were behind the no **** OL that will start the season.

You can't be this dull, can you? :(

[OWUeagleMD]

We don't have the best O-Line in the NFC, but it is one of the team's strengths. One poor rushing game by four guys who will never see a meaningful rush in an Eagle's uniform this season doesn't change anything.

Worst of all, tr1 knows this as well as anyone.

[Westbrook36]

BTW, has Andy said which part of WB's foot is sprained?

I love when you post injury information with great anticipation on how much it will hurt the team you are talking about but then try to act like you are above injury smack........but every other thread you make is doom and gloom predictions based off of injurys...hmmmmmm.

Westbrook will play against the Ravens. Is that enough for you?

[tr1]

Well, you had a RB that was playing Nintendo on Tuesday, running behind guys on the line that will be playing Nintendo on Opening day.

Do a little research and tell me how our starting RB ran behind our starting OL this preseason.

Of those 39 attempts, tell me how many were behind the no **** OL that will start the season.

You can't be this dull, can you? :(

WB, I'm at a disadvantage because I was unable to see the game here in Annapolis. All I can judge from is what I read.

What I read was that the Eagles have no one after WB to run the ball...no one.

If Mahe didn't get any chances behind the starting o-line, then Andy wasn't giving the kid a chance. I think Andy might break out in hives if he really tries to run the ball.

[OWUeagleMD]

I love when you post injury information with great anticipation on how much it will hurt the team you are talking about but then try to act like you are above injury smack........but every other thread you make is doom and gloom predictions based off of injurys...hmmmmmm.

Westbrook will play against the Ravens. Is that enough for you?

Yes, he definitely starts injury threads with sweaty palms, hoping against hope that the worst possible scenario will be realized, and then signs the post, "let's hope he's ok."

It's very diplomatic, but also incredibly transparent.

[OWUeagleMD]

WB, I'm at a disadvantage because I was unable to see the game here in Annapolis. All I can judge from is what I read.

What I read was that the Eagles have no one after WB to run the ball...no one.

If Mahe didn't get any chances behind the starting o-line, then Andy wasn't giving the kid a chance. I think Andy might break out in hives if he really tries to run the ball.

The only four guys with any opportunity to carry the football this season were held out of the game.

I can't imagine what else there is to understand.

[Westbrook36]

By no one, do you completely discount Moats, who is now back praticing? Mahe is garbage....please. If you are evaluating our line based off of freaking Reno Mahe's rushing stats, then you are being obtuse on purpose.

[tr1]

I love when you post injury information with great anticipation on how much it will hurt the team you are talking about but then try to act like you are above injury smack........but every other thread you make is doom and gloom predictions based off of injurys...hmmmmmm.

Westbrook will play against the Ravens. Is that enough for you?

I've just never heard of a sprained foot before. Ok, maybe not a Lis Franc, and maybe not a toe injury, but don't you think 'sprained foot' is a bit ambiguous?

I like WB...I don't want anything to happen to him.

I just want Andy to be a bit more candid when discussing injuries.

[tr1]

The only four guys with any opportunity to carry the football this season were held out of the game.

I can't imagine what else there is to understand.

Not one got to carry with the starting o-line?

[Westbrook36]

Yes, he definitely starts injury threads with sweaty palms, hoping against hope that the worst possible scenario will be realized, and then signs the post, "let's hope he's ok."

It's very diplomatic, but also incredibly transparent.

He is classless. Because, deep down, after the jokes and cut downs are put aside, he truely hopes they are injured.....just so he can post threads to try to get a rise out of the opposing fanbase.

This is a 50 year old man.

[Westbrook36]

I guess tr1 just ignored the ridiculous rushing performance of the first Eagles game.....or came up with conclusions in his little mind as to why it happened.

[tr1]

He is classless. Because, deep down, after the jokes and cut downs are put aside, he truely hopes they are injured.....just so he can post threads to try to get a rise out of the opposing fanbase.

This is a 50 year old man.

WB, you know better...I don't want any players to be hurt...even TO.

I just don't like the minister of dis-information, Andy Reid, being less than forth coming about injured players.

And can we stay on topic...enough about me.

[tr1]

I guess tr1 just ignored the ridiculous rushing performance of the first Eagles game.....or came up with conclusions in his little mind as to why it happened.

Hey, I saw WB have a great performance with the first team...

I didn't see much from anyone after that.

[OWUeagleMD]

Not one got to carry with the starting o-line?

Well, Mr. Reno Mahe did, for one drive. The guy that in any other discussion you would be citing as a reason that Andy Reid and Jeff Lurie are cheap morons. They also opened a hole that any legitimate runningback would have scored from on 1st down from the 2, but Reno was actually turned backwards by an arm tackle by a defensive back.

Like I said, the worst part is you know and agree with everything Westy and I are saying.

[Westbrook36]

Hey, I saw WB have a great performance with the first team...


Great, and that's who is starting the season. Thread over, withhunt unsuccessful.

Keep wishing on injuries, classless one. It's all you really have.

[Westbrook36]

WB, you know better...I don't want any players to be hurt...even TO.

I don't believe that for one minute. I think you are the lowest of the low. You watch the ticker on Sportscenter and HOPE you see that an injury happened to an NFC East player so you can run here and theorize how it will effect the team.

I can take a lot of thins from you, but I can't take your integrity....you have to give that up yourself.

[OWUeagleMD]

Hey, I saw WB have a great performance with the first team...

I didn't see much from anyone after that.

If Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Jesse Lumsden, and Rock Cartwright were all held out of a game with injury, how well would the Skins rush the ball?

Can you imagine a single Eagle's fan suggesting it as a sign of coming doom for the Skins when they inevitably could not?

Get off it.

[tr1]

Well, Mr. Reno Mahe did, for one drive. The guy that in any other discussion you would be citing as a reason that Andy Reid and Jeff Lurie are cheap morons. They also opened a hole that any legitimate runningback would have scored from on 1st down from the 2, but Reno was actually turned backwards by an arm tackle by a defensive back.

Like I said, the worst part is you know and agree with everything Westy and I are saying.

Ok, then it was all on Mahe...I didn't see the game...

[OWUeagleMD]

Ok, then it was all on Mahe...I didn't see the game...

fair enough.

[tr1]

I don't believe that for one minute. I think you are the lowest of the low. You watch the ticker on Sportscenter and HOPE you see that an injury happened to an NFC East player so you can run here and theorize how it will effect the team.

I can take a lot of thins from you, but I can't take your integrity....you have to give that up yourself.

WB, you know better than that. :doh:

[Westbrook36]

The slight tapdance backwards begins....when tr1's true motives are pointed out for all to see.

[Westbrook36]

WB, you know better than that. :doh:

All I have to go on is your actions. Should I post ALL the threads you have started in here predicated off of an injury and how it will effect the team? Seriously, you do not want me to do that.

[Skinsfan1311]

Why would I retract it?

Thomas
Herremans
Jackson
Andrews
Runyan

Across the board, you can't find a larger, more athletic line in the league. Plus, our backups at every position is the envy of every team in the NFL.

I'll grant you that the Eagles have a good O-line, and I don't blame you for not retracting that statement. If I were an Eagles fan, the O'line would be the least of my worries. I'd be concerned about the lack of quality receivers and the dinged up backfield.

Philly concerns me more than Dallas or the Giants. I can't figure 'em out...they seem to be the mystery team of the East. No matter what type of season we're having,(last year excepted), the Eagles seem to have our number. A lot of people seem to forget how the first game at FedEx could've turned out. If it wasn't for that boneheaded INT that McNabb tossed, we may have ended up splitting with Philly, and missing the playoffs.

I for one, will never underestimate the Eagles

[Westbrook36]

My biggest concerns are the lack of quality WRs and the dinged up backfield. See, I can speak with truth, without fear of someone cutting me down. I think on opening day, we will be fine.....if Westy, Moats, and whoever kick their minor injuries.

[tr1]

The slight tapdance backwards begins....when tr1's true motives are pointed out for all to see.

Are you having fun having a conversation with yourself?

I don't revel in any injuries. Never have. Never will.

Take a look at the initial post in this thread. Did you see any comment?

I challenge you to find my revelling in any players' injury.

I can save you some time...I never have.

[Kosher Ham]

"Eagles have the best OL in the NFC"

That is just downright homerism at its finest.

[tr1]

My biggest concerns are the lack of quality WRs and the dinged up backfield. See, I can speak with truth, without fear of someone cutting me down. I think on opening day, we will be fine.....if Westy, Moats, and whoever kick their minor injuries.

Hey, I've picked the Eagles to be second in the division behind us.

I've seen what McNabb can do with so little.

I still don't think Moats is the grinder you need.

[Westbrook36]

Are you having fun having a conversation with yourself?

I don't revel in any injuries. Never have. Never will.

Take a look at the initial post in this thread. Did you see any comment?

I challenge you to find my revelling in any players' injury.

I can save you some time...I never have.

Sure. In the middle of this thread, when me and OWU are systematically proving you wrong, all you can retort with, out of thin air, is to ask about Westbrooks foot. As if to say "Ah ha! If Westbrook is more injured than Andy is letting on, your running game is done!!!!" Like OWU said, its so transparent that we shouldn't even need to say it outloud. It's obvious to EVERY member of this board.

It's all you have, and it is sad.

[Walking Deadman]

Our starters got the playoffs last year and won one game. How'd your o-line do?

Got to correct you tr......Ray Brown had replaced Randy Thomas (leg), and we still beat the Bucs.

[tr1]

Sure. In the middle of this thread, when me and OWU are systematically proving you wrong, all you can retort with, out of thin air, is to ask about Westbrooks foot. As if to say "Ah ha! If Westbrook is more injured than Andy is letting on, your running game is done!!!!" Like OWU said, its so transparent that we shouldn't even need to say it outloud. It's obvious to EVERY member of this board.

It's all you have, and it is sad.

Let's see, if I say that without Westbrook (due to injury or whatever) the Eagles' running game will suck, then I'm revelling in a injury? :doh:

Maybe I need to dumb it down a bit more.

[OWUeagleMD]

Got to correct you tr......Ray Brown had replaced Randy Thomas (leg), and we still beat the Bucs.

I know I for one have been thinking about that impressive dismantling of such a spectacular Bucs team since Janurary.

[Westbrook36]

I know I for one have been thinking about that impressive dismantling of such a spectacular Bucs team since Janurary.

Especially when the offense was so damn impressive during that game.

[tr1]

Got to correct you tr......Ray Brown had replaced Randy Thomas (leg), and we still beat the Bucs.

I didn't want to hurt WB by pointing out that a backup contributed to the wins...I guess I was feeling sorry for him.

[Westbrook36]

Let's see, if I say that without Westbrook (due to injury or whatever) the Eagles' running game will suck, then I'm revelling in a injury? :doh:

Maybe I need to dumb it down a bit more.

It's all you have. Whenever you are cornered, like a scared wild animal, you will lash out.....only you do it with injury smack.

[tr1]

Especially when the offense was so damn impressive during that game.

Well, when you have to rely on a 4th and 26 to win a playoff game, I wouldn't gloat too much. Should I bring up the SB?

[Westbrook36]

I didn't want to hurt WB by pointing out that a backup contributed to the wins...I guess I was feeling sorry for him.

That was the most impressive offensive performance in playoff history. At least that's what the announcers said after the game.

Wait, they said the exact opposite, didn't they? :laugh:

[OWUeagleMD]

Let's see, if I say that without Westbrook (due to injury or whatever) the Eagles' running game will suck, then I'm revelling in a injury? :doh:

Maybe I need to dumb it down a bit more.

It's just that it goes without saying, and yet, you enter it into an argument about our O-line. Basically, its an unneccesary statement that leaves the reader with one impression. At least, that's the impression I've always received.

The fact that you start a thread for every article written about an injury a team suffers, and occasionally threads about other negative occurences within teams, but not about any other development in the league, really lends itself to this impression as well. Regardless of your intentions, this is the effect.

[tr1]

It's all you have. Whenever you are cornered, like a scared wild animal, you will lash out.....only you do it with injury smack.

WB, you are the only one of the two of us to use injury smack. Does the name Randy Thomas ring a bell?

[Westbrook36]

I started lots of threads regarding Randy Thomas. I admit that. Wait, I never started a thread regarding any member of the Skins and their injuries.

I should go back and search the archives from when TO got injured. I'm sure you were dancing a jig.

[Walking Deadman]

Actually,
If you want to go by rush stats., the best O-line in the NFC for the past 2 years would be the Falcons.

Problems with the Eagles O is that 1) You have no #1 WR (Westbrook would be your closest) a few solid #2 and #3 guys but nobody to fill the TO void.
2) No real RBs- Westbrook is a phenom. player but much better reciever than runner. Buckhalter never plays, Mahe is a PR/ST guy, Perry would be a good 3rd down guy but again injury prone.
3) Reid and co. then has to rely on passing since no run game (excluding Mcnabb's run ability) thus making the Eagles 1 dimensional.

O line is solid and what do I know, with the exception of when Staley was on the team (when you had a runner RB) you guys won that way.

As for our O-line, yep we're thin at depth. But if Ruyan or Thomas went down-- you're just as screwed.....and you know it WB.

[Westbrook36]

WD, I think we can slide Herremans out to either position and be fine, relatively speaking. I think the Eagles have more depth than the Skins can dream of at OL and DL.

[tr1]

It's just that it goes without saying, and yet, you enter it into an argument about our O-line. Basically, its an unneccesary statement that leaves the reader with one impression. At least, that's the impression I've always received.

The fact that you start a thread for every article written about an injury a team suffers, and occasionally threads about other negative occurences within teams, but not about any other development in the league, really lends itself to this impression as well. Regardless of your intentions, this is the effect.

You see, OWU, here's the problem. Whenever any news about your team (or for that matter the pukes or Giants gets posted) and it concerns injuries, you think I'm talking smack about injuries. Nothing could be further from the truth.

News about NFCE teams is important. I don't post puff items about your team, though. Why would I?

No, instead, in your emotional response to a critical piece about your team, you jump to the conclusion that I've broken a rule or disrupted the etiquette on this board.

This effect you speak of, only affects Eagle, puke and Giant fans.

You really should read my post more closely.

[Westbrook36]

BTW, during the offseason, when Skins fans were telling me how much better the Skins OL was than the Eagles, I did point out that three of the five Skins starting OL weren't even running yet. I'm sure tr1 will try to equate that to him starting threads with glee, everytime a player gets dinged in the preseason.

[tr1]

I started lots of threads regarding Randy Thomas. I admit that. Wait, I never started a thread regarding any member of the Skins and their injuries.

I should go back and search the archives from when TO got injured. I'm sure you were dancing a jig.

Come on WB...try to be real here.

When I talk about TO's injuries, I question whether they really are injures...you know that.

And the thread about Thomas was your smack about his rehab...you do remember, don't you?

[Westbrook36]

You see, OWU, here's the problem. Whenever any news about your team (or for that matter the pukes or Giants gets posted) and it concerns injuries, you think I'm talking smack about injuries. Nothing could be further from the truth.

News about NFCE teams is important. I don't post puff items about your team, though. Why would I?

No, instead, in your emotional response to a critical piece about your team, you jump to the conclusion that I've broken a rule or disrupted the etiquette on this board.

This effect you speak of, only affects Eagle, puke and Giant fans.

You really should read my post more closely.

You should be a politician. You know, how politicians say one thing, yet everyone knows what they are REALLY thinking, yet you can't prove it in a court of law. We all know what the deal is.

[Westbrook36]

Come on WB...try to be real here.

When I talk about TO's injuries, I question whether they really are injures...you know that.

And the thread about Thomas was your smack about his rehab...you do remember, don't you?

Post it and lets all see.

[DieselPwr44]

The Eagles main problem on offense is they are missing the grinder back: a back who can carry the ball 25-30 carries a game and grind out first downs,especially when they need to put the game away and eat clock.

If they're expecting Westbrook to do this, he will not last the season.:2cents:

[tr1]

As for our O-line, yep we're thin at depth. But if Ruyan or Thomas went down-- you're just as screwed.....and you know it WB.

You're asking him to face reality...that's a tough one.

[OWUeagleMD]

Actually,
If you want to go by rush stats., the best O-line in the NFC for the past 2 years would be the Falcons.

Problems with the Eagles O is that 1) You have no #1 WR (Westbrook would be your closest) a few solid #2 and #3 guys but nobody to fill the TO void.
2) No real RBs- Westbrook is a phenom. player but much better reciever than runner. Buckhalter never plays, Mahe is a PR/ST guy, Perry would be a good 3rd down guy but again injury prone.
3) Reid and co. then has to rely on passing since no run game (excluding Mcnabb's run ability) thus making the Eagles 1 dimensional.

O line is solid and what do I know, with the exception of when Staley was on the team (when you had a runner RB) you guys won that way.

As for our O-line, yep we're thin at depth. But if Ruyan or Thomas went down-- you're just as screwed.....and you know it WB.

Reid maid the Eagles one dimensional last year, not their opponents. It remains to be seen if Westbrook/Moats/Perry-Buckhalter can be an effective ground game if given proper commitment. From what I've seen from Westbrook over the years when have actually given him the ball, and what I saw from Moats last year, tells me they'll do a good job.

I feel like I've said this 1,000 within the last few months, but I think people need to forget about the notion of "filling the T.O. void." We were an effective offense before he came around, and the skill positions on this team are an upgrade over those before T.O. came around.

I don't expect us to be the Colts, or even the 2004 Eagles, but teams have proven over the years that an efficient offense can win just as well as an explosive one. Fans of the 2005 Washington Redskins should know this better than anyone.

[tr1]

WD, I think we can slide Herremans out to either position and be fine, relatively speaking. I think the Eagles have more depth than the Skins can dream of at OL and DL.

Oh, yeah. And your depth on D-Line is worth two starters from Denver in a trade...okay...sure.

[tr1]

Post it and lets all see.

Not gonna waste my time...for your sake and mine.

[Westbrook36]

Oh, yeah. And your depth on D-Line is worth two starters from Denver in a trade...okay...sure.

Clayton and Salisbury just said this morning that they are hearing rumblings all over the NFL on how much depth the Eagles have on the DL and how many teams will be offering them trades in the coming days to shore up their thin DLs.

Don't take it from me....take it from guys who get paid to cover the NFL for a living and have many contacts in team offices.

[Kosher Ham]

The Eagles have better depth ? Proven by what ? Both lines were terrible last season after injuries started to mount.

So are you saying they have better unproven depth ?
Better potential depth ?

Please explain...

[tr1]

Reid maid the Eagles one dimensional last year, not their opponents.

Contrary to popular belief, I think Andy knew the Eagles couldn't be effective running the ball. He tried to win.

[Walking Deadman]

WD, I think we can slide Herremans out to either position and be fine, relatively speaking. I think the Eagles have more depth than the Skins can dream of at OL and DL.

Ok. You probably do have more vets in that position. I'll give you OL, not sure I'd agree with you on DL (DT maybe). And we have plenty of depth at RB unlike you guys.

So, you guys have a O-line with nobody to block for and we have a million guys with a thin line....... :)

[OWUeagleMD]

The Eagles main problem on offense is they are missing the grinder back: a back who can carry the ball 25-30 carries a game and grind out first downs,especially when they need to put the game away and eat clock.

If they're expecting Westbrook to do this, he will not last the season.:2cents:

That's a valid opinion, one shared by most observers around the league. The fact of the matter is, though, that even if Reid commits to a running game, it will never be in the capacity in which a workhouse RB excels.

Our offense is designed so that the pass can set-up the run. Feel free to suggest that it is an ineffective design, but as long as we employ this system, a Curtis Martin, Eddie George, Clinton Portis type of runner will never be utilized properly.

[Westbrook36]

How can you prove they were horrible? Because McMahon sucks and threw more INTs for TD than actual TDs?

[Westbrook36]

Ok. You probably do have more vets in that position. I'll give you OL, not sure I'd agree with you on DL (DT maybe). And we have plenty of depth at RB unlike you guys.

So, you guys have a O-line with nobody to block for and we have a million guys with a thin line....... :)

I'd love to have your depth at RB.

[tr1]

Clayton and Salisbury just said this morning that they are hearing rumblings all over the NFL on how much depth the Eagles have on the DL and how many teams will be offering them trades in the coming days to shore up their thin DLs.

Don't take it from me....take it from guys who get paid to cover the NFL for a living and have many contacts in team offices.

I believe I read in a thread started by you that the Eagles were going to trade a back up DL for Bell and Lelie from Denver.

This is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

[Westbrook36]

Contrary to popular belief, I think Andy knew the Eagles couldn't be effective running the ball. He tried to win.

You should start every single one of your posts with "Contrary to popular belief" because that's what your opinion winds up being.

[Walking Deadman]

I believe I read in a thread started by you that the Eagles were going to trade a back up DL for Bell and Lelie from Denver.

This is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

That's a lousy trade for both sides.....no way Denver would do it anyway.

[Westbrook36]

I believe I read in a thread started by you that the Eagles were going to trade a back up DL for Bell and Lelie from Denver.

This is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

Depends on how high the draft pick is. If Bell is 3rd string and Lelie is holding out, why wouldn't they do that? Get a potential starting DE and a 4th or 5th rounder. Look at the Denver boards.....they are begging for that deal to get done.

[Westbrook36]

That's a lousy trade for both sides.....no way Denver would do it anyway.

Maybe from where you are sitting, but I think it would be a great trade for the Eagles.

[OWUeagleMD]

I believe I read in a thread started by you that the Eagles were going to trade a back up DL for Bell and Lelie from Denver.

This is a bit of a stretch, don't you think?

I believe the trade rumored was reserve DL and a pick for Lelie and Bell.

Bell, keep in mind, is a third string RB in Denver; Lelie is the third receiver. They aren't starters, they're reserves, just like the D-linemen we are rumored to be offering.

Note- I don't think there is any chance of this trade happening.

[DieselPwr44]

That's a valid opinion, one shared by most observers around the league. The fact of the matter is, though, that even if Reid commits to a running game, it will never be in the capacity in which a workhouse RB excels.

Our offense is designed so that the pass can set-up the run. Feel free to suggest that it is an ineffective design, but as long as we employ this system, a Curtis Martin, Eddie George, Clinton Portis type of runner will never be utilized properly.

Correct me if I'm wrong... I thought your offense performed well when you had a healthy Staley, IMO a grinder back.

I think you guys could be successful with that type back again but has Reid totally changed his philosophy regarding the run game since then??

I always thought Reid favored more pass due to his lack of faith in the backs he has(last year)?

Right or wrong? :whoknows:

[Kosher Ham]

I can look at the DL alone and know they were among the bottom half of defenses against the run. And thats in the NFC alone.

We wont even get into how bad the OL was in the NFC rushing the ball.

[Bostic Hog]

Clayton and Salisbury just said this morning that they are hearing rumblings all over the NFL on how much depth the Eagles have on the DL and how many teams will be offering them trades in the coming days to shore up their thin DLs.

Don't take it from me....take it from guys who get paid to cover the NFL for a living and have many contacts in team offices.

I heard the same report from Salisbury and Clayton. You did, however, forget the little fact that they also said that they DO NOT SEE the broncos trading Tatum Bell to the Eagles. The Broncos don't have as much depth as some see to think. They lost Mike Anderson, they have that kid Bell (rookie, I believe), Ron Dayne, and Tatum. Not really any depth.

Now, if this deal happens, more power to the Eagles. But I don't think it will.
HTTR

[Westbrook36]

I can look at the DL alone and know they were among the bottom half of defenses against the run. And thats in the NFC alone.

We wont even get into how bad the OL was in the NFC rushing the ball.

A DL that has added Howard, McDougle, Walker, and Bunkley since last year. They were in the top 10 of the NFL in yards per carry given up, even without all the additions they have now. Then again, just look at how the DL has dominated so far this preseason. Nah, don't do that, it's much easier to talk in generalities and last year rather than watch them in action and be forced to change your thinking.

[OWUeagleMD]

Correct me if I'm wrong... I thought your offense performed well when you had a healthy Staley, IMO a grinder back.

I think you guys could be successful with that type back again but has Reid totally changed his philosophy regarding the run game since then??

I always thought Reid favored more pass due to his lack of faith in the backs he has?

Right or wrong? :whoknows:

At everypoint in Andy Reid's tenure we have been a pass first team, including when we had a healthy stable of Buckhalter, Duce, and Westbrook.

When Duce was at his best for the Eagles, he played a game much like the current Brian Westbrook. The grinder image of which you speak was created when Pittsburgh signed him.

[tr1]

I believe the trade rumored was reserve DL and a pick for Lelie and Bell.

Bell, keep in mind, is a third string RB in Denver; Lelie is the third receiver. They aren't starters, they're reserves, just like the D-linemen we are rumored to be offering.

Note- I don't think there is any chance of this trade happening.

Hmmm...I read that Bell was fighting for the starting job. As for Lelie, he's third string because he's disgruntled. And which D-Lineman is going to get traded?

How about we trade you Betts for McNabb and Dawkins? :doh:

[Walking Deadman]

Maybe from where you are sitting, but I think it would be a great trade for the Eagles.

I just don't see how you benefit too much WB......Brown IMO is sooooo much better than Lelie (he drops too many passes and is inconsistant- kinda like a faster version of McCants).

Bell also appears to be a minimal back. Maybe a third down guy.....would be interesting to see him and Westbrook in a 2 back formation, but not the power guy I think the Eagles would want.

Plus, I would think a DL and a 2nd would be the lowest offer they would accept anyway not a 4th.

[OWUeagleMD]

Hmmm...I read that Bell was fighting for the starting job. As for Lelie, he's third string because he's disgruntled. And which D-Lineman is going to get traded?

How about we trade you Betts for McNabb and Dawkins? :doh:

Why in the world would you give me a disbelief emoticon for clarifying a trade that I explicitly said would not happen?

[Kosher Ham]

A DL that has added Howard, McDougle, Walker, and Bunkley since last year. They were in the top 10 of the NFL in yards per carry given up, even without all the additions they have now. Then again, just look at how the DL has dominated so far this preseason. Nah, don't do that, it's much easier to talk in generalities and last year rather than watch them in action and be forced to change your thinking.

I know you arent seriously talking about how the Eagles DL looks in the 2 exibition games thus far ? Gimme a break.

Added yet, obviously needed. Still; you dont think that maybe a little time to gel might be needed ?

Additions, Kearse was an addition, yet IMO really hasnt proven to be much of an investment. Same could be said for many players on the Redskins over the years.

I applaud your optimism. Hell... its the pre-season. We should all be optimistic and have our homer glasses on snug. But the Eagles lines have proven very little at this point.

[tr1]

Why in the world would you give me a disbelief emoticon for clarifying a trade that I explicitly said would not happen?

My bad...that really should have been for WB.

[OWUeagleMD]

I just don't see how you benefit too much WB......Brown IMO is sooooo much better than Lelie (he drops too many passes and is inconsistant- kinda like a faster version of McCants).

Bell also appears to be a minimal back. Maybe a third down guy.....would be interesting to see him and Westbrook in a 2 back formation, but not the power guy I think the Eagles would want.

Plus, I would think a DL and a 2nd would be the lowest offer they would accept anyway not a 4th.

While everyone around the league seems to think we need a power guy (myself included, slightly), you are wrong in believing that is what the Eagles want.

Andy Reid wants guys like Westbrook. Fault his logic if you will, but he would drool over a backfield of Moats/Bell/Westbrook, despite their overhwhelming similarities.

[dockeryfan]

While everyone around the league seems to think we need a power guy (myself included, slightly), you are wrong in believing that is what the Eagles want.

Andy Reid wants guys like Westbrook. Fault his logic if you will, but he would drool over a backfield of Moats/Bell/Westbrook, despite their overhwhelming similarities.
Best the offense ever looked was with Dorsey the first go around. He got all the tough yards, and kept drives alive, eating clock. He could catch a ball in the flat as well.
The three headed monster was an experiment that worked, because Buckhalter took the hard short yardage carries.
There is no back he can go to for the tough 3rd and short running play. And no way to kill clock.
If you are one dimensional, it's easy to defend.
I think Reid knows this, and is hoping Moats can be that guy for him.

[OWUeagleMD]

Best the offense ever looked was with Dorsey the first go around. He got all the tough yards, and kept drives alive, eating clock. He could catch a ball in the flat as well.
The three headed monster was an experiment that worked, because Buckhalter took the hard short yardage carries.
There is no back he can go to for the tough 3rd and short running play. And no way to kill clock.
If you are one dimensional, it's easy to defend.
I think Reid knows this, and is hoping Moats can be that guy for him.

agreed, but neither of those guys were ever the type of back people think we need. Neither ever got more than 10 or so carries a game.

[dockeryfan]

Well the O-line is practicing a lot of runs. Who gets them carries? Mahe?

[OWUeagleMD]

Well the O-line is practicing a lot of runs. Who gets them carries? Mahe?

It'll be Westbrook and Moats.

If Buckhalter recovers, which to me is currently 500-1, he'll get plenty also.

I meant Levens and Buckhalter were never the power back people say we now need.

[Who Del]

At least everyone in this thread agrees that Reno Mahe sucks and he should be off the team ASAP.

I think the Eagles OLine is good and has potential to be a top line but it is not the best just yet. We'll have to see how the young guys pan out. The DLine looks amazing so far. Howard can hopefully continue his energy and explosivness all throughout the year. I was skeptical about him at first but he looks ****ing great.

[GSF]

Have you ever played football besides on Madden? How bout you suit up, play 4 years of HS, 4 years of college, then make an NFL roster? All with men who outweigh you by 30-100 lbs pounding you on every play. Players get dinged up. It happens to every team. Because it is a long season, Reid is being overly cautious with his skill position players.

I love internet messageboard know it alls who are more of men then NFL players.


He is classless. Because, deep down, after the jokes and cut downs are put aside, he truely hopes they are injured.....just so he can post threads to try to get a rise out of the opposing fanbase.

This is a 50 year old man.


I don't believe that for one minute. I think you are the lowest of the low. You watch the ticker on Sportscenter and HOPE you see that an injury happened to an NFC East player so you can run here and theorize how it will effect the team.

I can take a lot of thins from you, but I can't take your integrity....you have to give that up yourself.

:laugh: Well look who's got her little panties all wadded up in a bunch. You call me a know it all, and say TR1 is classless and has no integrity. Anyone else enjoying the irony here?

Noone in the history of Extremeskins has tried harder to thumb his nose at Skins fans here than you Westbrook. Every time there is a potential problem with the Skins, you show up like clockwork to try to stir the waters. You've been doing this for years, and all of us who have been here long enough know exactly what you're about. The most recent example that comes to mind was when the labor talks were happening and you gloated to us over and over again that the Skins were going to field a team of rookies and scrubs. For those of you who weren't around for that, that's when WB earned the moniker "wannabe accountant". When Gibbs was struggling his first year back, you were trolling at a furious pace, throwing salt in the wounds of Skins fans any chance you got, but now you're lecturing TR1 about intergrity. That's rich.

Long timers here find a niche. Tr's has been to inform us about struggles the other teams of the NFC East are having. If he annoys trolls like you in the process, then that's just an added bonus. I can assure you that you will never find a post of TR's even hinting that he is enjoying that fact that a player is injured. He's passing along info. The fact that you guys get so worked up about it is funny and kind of entertaining.

I know why you're so defensive though. We both do. Your team is soft, and you are one of these guys that identifies himself through his sports team. Your RBs are fragile, your WRs are scared to death to go over the middle, and your coach refuses to pound the running game. Your offense is rinky dink, and there is very little about your Eagles in general that you can associate with toughness other than maybe an aging Dawkins, who was the victim of 1 of the league's most rediculous pancakings of all time last year when Sellars ran right over him. :laugh:

I remember when the Eagles were a tough team. They weren't a championship team, but man they were tough. Ryan's defense flying around, Reggie White terrorizing QBs, Ricky running hard between the tackles, and those legendary and infamous fans at the Vet. I always knew back then that when the Skins went up to Philly that those were going to be extremely tough games, win or lose. Now when I think of the Eagles, I think of McNabb selling soup with his Momma, Westbrook catching more screen passes than making runs, and Pinkston's disgraceful alligator arms. I don't blame you for being defensive. Don't even try for a minute though to comment on other posters' integrity. No one here is buying it.

[dockeryfan]

Ricky running hard between the tackles
"for who? for what?" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Philly never forgave him that.

[FuriousD]

:laugh: Well look who's got her little panties all wadded up in a bunch. You call me a know it all, and say TR1 is classless and has no integrity. Anyone else enjoying the irony here?

Noone in the history of Extremeskins has tried harder to thumb his nose at Skins fans here than you Westbrook. Every time there is a potential problem with the Skins, you show up like clockwork to try to stir the waters. You've been doing this for years, and all of us who have been here long enough know exactly what you're about. The most recent example that comes to mind was when the labor talks were happening and you gloated to us over and over again that the Skins were going to field a team of rookies and scrubs. For those of you who weren't around for that, that's when WB earned the moniker "wannabe accountant". When Gibbs was struggling his first year back, you were trolling at a furious pace, throwing salt in the wounds of Skins fans any chance you got, but now you're lecturing TR1 about intergrity. That's rich.

Long timers here find a niche. Tr's has been to inform us about struggles the other teams of the NFC East are having. If he annoys trolls like you in the process, then that's just an added bonus. I can assure you that you will never find a post of TR's even hinting that he is enjoying that fact that a player is injured. He's passing along info. The fact that you guys get so worked up about it is funny and kind of entertaining.

I know why you're so defensive though. We both do. Your team is soft, and you are one of these guys that identifies himself through his sports team. Your RBs are fragile, your WRs are scared to death to go over the middle, and your coach refuses to pound the running game. Your offense is rinky dink, and there is very little about your Eagles in general that you can associate with toughness other than maybe an aging Dawkins, who was the victim of 1 of the league's most rediculous pancakings of all time last year when Sellars ran right over him. :laugh:

I remember when the Eagles were a tough team. They weren't a championship team, but man they were tough. Ryan's defense flying around, Reggie White terrorizing QBs, Ricky running hard between the tackles, and those legendary and infamous fans at the Vet. I always knew back then that when the Skins went up to Philly that those were going to be extremely tough games, win or lose. Now when I think of the Eagles, I think of McNabb selling soup with his Momma, Westbrook catching more screen passes than making runs, and Pinkston's disgraceful alligator arms. I don't blame you for being defensive. Don't even try for a minute though to comment on other posters' integrity. No one here is buying it.

NICE!!! This deserves a "sticky" all it's own!

Westbrook36 just got his arse b!tch-slapped! :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

:laugh: Well look who's got her little panties all wadded up in a bunch. You call me a know it all, and say TR1 is classless and has no integrity. Anyone else enjoying the irony here?

Noone in the history of Extremeskins has tried harder to thumb his nose at Skins fans here than you Westbrook. Every time there is a potential problem with the Skins, you show up like clockwork to try to stir the waters. You've been doing this for years, and all of us who have been here long enough know exactly what you're about. The most recent example that comes to mind was when the labor talks were happening and you gloated to us over and over again that the Skins were going to field a team of rookies and scrubs. For those of you who weren't around for that, that's when WB earned the moniker "wannabe accountant". When Gibbs was struggling his first year back, you were trolling at a furious pace, throwing salt in the wounds of Skins fans any chance you got, but now you're lecturing TR1 about intergrity. That's rich.

Long timers here find a niche. Tr's has been to inform us about struggles the other teams of the NFC East are having. If he annoys trolls like you in the process, then that's just an added bonus. I can assure you that you will never find a post of TR's even hinting that he is enjoying that fact that a player is injured. He's passing along info. The fact that you guys get so worked up about it is funny and kind of entertaining.

I know why you're so defensive though. We both do. Your team is soft, and you are one of these guys that identifies himself through his sports team. Your RBs are fragile, your WRs are scared to death to go over the middle, and your coach refuses to pound the running game. Your offense is rinky dink, and there is very little about your Eagles in general that you can associate with toughness other than maybe an aging Dawkins, who was the victim of 1 of the league's most rediculous pancakings of all time last year when Sellars ran right over him. :laugh:

I remember when the Eagles were a tough team. They weren't a championship team, but man they were tough. Ryan's defense flying around, Reggie White terrorizing QBs, Ricky running hard between the tackles, and those legendary and infamous fans at the Vet. I always knew back then that when the Skins went up to Philly that those were going to be extremely tough games, win or lose. Now when I think of the Eagles, I think of McNabb selling soup with his Momma, Westbrook catching more screen passes than making runs, and Pinkston's disgraceful alligator arms. I don't blame you for being defensive. Don't even try for a minute though to comment on other posters' integrity. No one here is buying it.

Eagles are soft? Please. The soft Eagles have owned your team in recent history. Unless you think one year erases years of ownership. I sure know thats how you guys think in relation to your recent history against the Dallas Cowboys.

When you think of McNabb, you should think of plays like this:

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1948/thdnabskinsgu6.gif

Just when you think we are soft, you should think of this:

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2043/springsowned6ur.gif

When you think Dawkins is a man who routinely gets run over, think of this:

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4634/hitvick0ia.gif
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9359/hit0eg.gif
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/9571/dawkplex6ah.gif

There is more than enough memories over the years to make an Eagles fan get nostalgic. What do you guys have? A few razor thin wins against our varsity team. Please!

[Westbrook36]

I apologize....let's not talk about the past. Let's talk about the future. You guys remember this fella?

http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=photos9bffa604059fafdc77fa02d915b651a 1lms8.jpg

[dockeryfan]

Eagles are soft? Please. The soft Eagles have owned your team in recent history. Unless you think one year erases years of ownership...
Not sure why you bothered to respond to that, but the fact remains...
The Eagles were a 6-10 team last year.
All your talk of soft, back to "glory" eagles etc. Doesn't mean jack.
They need to show they can win. And the defense looked bad last year. Not what people expected when they think of Eagle teams in recent past.
The offense became more of a cartoon. 6 running plays against the cowboys if I remember? Or something like that. It was predictable, and easily beaten. If Reid can reinvent his team, great. He'll gain respect in my eyes. But they have some proving to do.

[GSF]

Eagles are soft? Please. The soft Eagles have owned your team in recent history. Unless you think one year erases years of ownership. I sure know thats how you guys think in relation to your recent history against the Dallas Cowboys.


What's wrong WB, hit a soft spot for you? Years of ownership huh? The only time The Eagles owned the Redskins was during the lowly Spurrier years, and Gibbs first year back. Everybody owned the Skins when Spurrier was coach, so I wouldn't take too much pride in that. Go back 6 seasons before that and the teams split every year. The Redskins are 75 - 63 - 6 all time against the Eagles, and swept your pansy arses last year. I wouldn't exactly call that years of ownership.

[skinz4evr]

Eagles have the best OL in the NFC. They are roadgraders and they have the depth that over teams WISH they could have. Like your Redskins, who are one injury away from a thrown away season.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHH. WHAT A MAROON!!!!

[tr1]

It's okay, WB, we still love you man. Just pick yourself up and dust off your shirt. You'll be okay.

When you're ready to talk seriously about your team, we'll be here for ya.

And, GSF :cheers:

HTTR

[kingfish50]

Wesrbrook36
Your team had about 4 or 5 years dominating us for the first time, ever. I'll give you that and that's all I'll give you. Prior to those years and begining last year, the Redskins have won and will win more games, head to head compeition, division tiles, championship games (before the Super Bowl) Super Bowl appearenses and Super Bowl wins.
If it makes you feel good about those 4 or 5 years, then go for it, but that's all you have. The fact is, the Washington Redskins have been the dominating team over your philthy fecals since 1937.
Div. Titles - Redskins - 13 / eagles - 10
League Championship games - Redskins - 6 / eagles - 4
Super Bowls - Redskins - 4 / eagles - 2
Post season record - Redskins - 23 wins 16 losses / eagles - 16 wins 16 losses
Redskins lead in head to head competion with 70 wins 62 losses and 6 ties.

[bulldog]

Buckhalter and Westbrook have been hurt in the past this is nothing new. Buckhalter after having missed almost 3 complete seasons should have been let go by the Eagles.

Maybe he would have caught on somewhere else and been healthy and productive, but what are the odds given the cumulative effect of his injuries?

[bubba9497]

Eagles have the best OL in the NFC. They are roadgraders and they have the depth that over teams WISH they could have. Like your Redskins, who are one injury away from a thrown away season.


they aren't 1st in the NFC East, or 2nd :doh:

ranked #27 in rushing

ranked #18 in YPA

ranked #21 in fewest sacks allowed

not one lineman ranked in KC Joyner's top 10 in any analysis

[GSF]

Wesrbrook36
Your team had about 4 or 5 years dominating us for the first time, ever. I'll give you that and that's all I'll give you. Prior to those years and begining last year, the Redskins have won and will win more games, head to head compeition, division tiles, championship games (before the Super Bowl) Super Bowl appearenses and Super Bowl wins.


KingFish,

You are correct with your premise here, but you are actually giving the Eagles more credit than they are due. They dominated us for only 3 years, winning all six games. 2 of those seasons were when Spurrier was coaching the Skins(if you can call it that), and the other was Gibbs' first year back. Of course Gibbs returned the favor last year.

The Spurrier years are 2 seasons that most Skins fans would love to forget. That was as far from Redskins football as I've ever seen. Take those 2 out of the equation, and the Skins and Eagles are at an exact split going back something like 9 years. Even counting those 2 rediculous season, the Eagles have only won 4 more games during that same period. That hardly qualifies as years of domination.

[GSF]

Oh and another thing, if the Eagles' oline are "roadgraders" as Westbrook claims, why doesn't Reid ever run the ball? Misuse of personel? No confidence in Westbrook? If Reid's oline were roadgraders, you would think he would want to capitalize on their strengths.

[Westbrook36]

I'll add this to the ever growing list of threads that will be bumped sometime during this season. :)

[eagles78]

I know why you're so defensive though. We both do. Your team is soft, and you are one of these guys that identifies himself through his sports team. Your RBs are fragile, your WRs are scared to death to go over the middle, and your coach refuses to pound the running game. Your offense is rinky dink, and there is very little about your Eagles in general that you can associate with toughness other than maybe an aging Dawkins, who was the victim of 1 of the league's most rediculous pancakings of all time last year when Sellars ran right over him. :laugh:

I remember when the Eagles were a tough team. They weren't a championship team, but man they were tough. Ryan's defense flying around, Reggie White terrorizing QBs, Ricky running hard between the tackles, and those legendary and infamous fans at the Vet. I always knew back then that when the Skins went up to Philly that those were going to be extremely tough games, win or lose. Now when I think of the Eagles, I think of McNabb selling soup with his Momma, Westbrook catching more screen passes than making runs, and Pinkston's disgraceful alligator arms. I don't blame you for being defensive. Don't even try for a minute though to comment on other posters' integrity. No one here is buying it.You are absolutely delusional buddy. The Eagles are soft now? The Eagles have completely owned the Skins for the past 15 years. The Redskins finally are able to eek out 2 wins last year after being swept the previous 3 and the Eagles now have a 'soft' moniker?:laugh: We'll see how soft our defense is this year. Something tells me it won't be so soft. I also like how b/c Pinkston (who will most likely will see no time this season) has alligator arms you label all the Eagles WRs as scared to go over the middle.

[Who Del]

My biggest concern right now is Westbrook's health. Reid is being his usual tight lipped self and keeps clearing his throat and saying "Westbrook did not participate today. He's getting better. He's day to day." I'm going to be pissed if this guy is out every other game for some foot sprain or knee contusion.

[eagles78]

they aren't 1st in the NFC East, or 2nd :doh:

ranked #27 in rushing

ranked #18 in YPA

ranked #21 in fewest sacks allowed

not one lineman ranked in KC Joyner's top 10 in any analysisWelcome to the 2006 season.

[SonnyJ]

The Eagles have completely owned the Skins for the past 15 years.

I'm scratching my head trying to figure this one out...:confused:

By what measure? I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles have had the upper hand in the series. But owned? Completely?

I guess our interpretation of "completely owned" differs. I could see Cowboy fans saying that about the Redskins preceding last season, but an Eagles fan?

I guess it explains their ecstasy over the Eagles' 4-year "run of dominance". :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

The most satisfying win over the Skins was in Spurriers first year. First you had the blowout over the 9ers in Japan....then you squeek by the Cards in week 1. Week 2, the Skins fans SERIOUSLY thought they were the best team in the league and Spurrier was going to change the NFL.

Then the Skins score the first 7 points, AT HOME!!! It must have been marvelous to be a Skins fan, for those 2 or 3 minutes, until reality hit home. You know, those 37 straight points to end the game. :laugh:

[eagles78]

I'm scratching my head trying to figure this one out...:confused:

By what measure? I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles have had the upper hand in the series. But owned? Completely?

I guess our interpretation of "completely owned" differs. I could see Cowboy fans saying that about the Redskins preceding last season, but an Eagles fan?

I guess it explains their ecstasy over the Eagles' 4-year "run of dominance". :laugh:The Eagles are 21-11 against Washington since 1990. I'd say that's owning a team in a 15 year span.

[GSF]

The most satisfying win over the Skins was in Spurriers first year. First you had the blowout over the 9ers in Japan....then you squeek by the Cards in week 1. Week 2, the Skins fans SERIOUSLY thought they were the best team in the league and Spurrier was going to change the NFL.

Then the Skins score the first 7 points, AT HOME!!! It must have been marvelous to be a Skins fan, for those 2 or 3 minutes, until reality hit home. You know, those 37 straight points to end the game. :laugh:

Hey look, now the wannabe accountant is revising history. Go back and look in the archives. There were plenty of fans in here that doubted Spurrier, even after winning those first games. Most of us were cautiously optimistic at best, and very few were claiming that Spurrier was going to change the NFL, except for the Gator fans. You want to take satisfaction in beating Spurrier, go ahead, nobody in here cares. Spurrier was a joke, but of course that's completely irrellevant now since Gibbs is back. Speaking of Gibbs, here's a more relevant question for you. How many playoff games did the Eagles win the last time Gibbs was coaching the Skins?

[DieselPwr44]

The most satisfying win over the Skins was in Spurriers first year. First you had the blowout over the 9ers in Japan....then you squeek by the Cards in week 1. Week 2, the Skins fans SERIOUSLY thought they were the best team in the league and Spurrier was going to change the NFL.

Then the Skins score the first 7 points, AT HOME!!! It must have been marvelous to be a Skins fan, for those 2 or 3 minutes, until reality hit home. You know, those 37 straight points to end the game. :laugh:

Do you wanna know what's even funnier? Eagles fans like you who think we're the same team you played on that night those few years ago.

[eagles78]

Do you wanna know what's even funnier? Eagles fans like you who think we're the same team you played on that night those few years ago.Boy, that's ironic. The Eagles are putting out a far different product than what they had on the field the second half of last season as well.

[kingfish50]

The most satisfying win over the Skins was in Spurriers first year. First you had the blowout over the 9ers in Japan....then you squeek by the Cards in week 1. Week 2, the Skins fans SERIOUSLY thought they were the best team in the league and Spurrier was going to change the NFL.

Then the Skins score the first 7 points, AT HOME!!! It must have been marvelous to be a Skins fan, for those 2 or 3 minutes, until reality hit home. You know, those 37 straight points to end the game. :laugh:
You have nothing relevent to say, so you sink to this? That Hawaiian sun must have fried what little is left of that brain of yours.
You being away for the last couple of months have made me relize how boring it got around here. We have had nobody around to amuse us like you do. I miss all of that wonderful knowledge that you hold and the thought provoking posts that you write.
Keep them comming Westbrook. I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

[GSF]

I'll add this to the ever growing list of threads that will be bumped sometime during this season. :)

Didn't you make a similar promise when you were so sure that we were going to have to cut all of our vets and field a team of rookies and scrubs? :laugh:

[GSF]

You have nothing relevent to say, so you sink to this? That Hawaiian sun must have fried what little is left of that brain of yours.
You being away for the last couple of months have made me relize how boring it got around here. We have had nobody around to amuse us like you do. I miss all of that wonderful knowledge that you hold and the thought provoking posts that you write.
Keep them comming Westbrook. I haven't laughed this hard in a while.

Yeah, funny how he makes posts like that in the same thread that he lectures tr1 about being classless.

[bubba9497]

I'll add this to the ever growing list of threads that will be bumped sometime during this season.


I doubt it, the last time you tried, it really backfired in face..... :laugh:

[tr1]

My biggest concern right now is Westbrook's health. Reid is being his usual tight lipped self and keeps clearing his throat and saying "Westbrook did not participate today. He's getting better. He's day to day." I'm going to be pissed if this guy is out every other game for some foot sprain or knee contusion.

Now, WD, had I posted this, I'd have received some interestingly negative feedback.

Glad you are able and willing to articulate the obvious.

[tr1]

Didn't you make a similar promise when you were so sure that we were going to have to cut all of our vets and field a team of rookies and scrubs? :laugh:

Ouch...I never did see him bump that thread... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[bubba9497]

The Eagles are 21-11 against Washington since 1990. I'd say that's owning a team in a 15 year span.


what's their record during Joe Gibbs first tenure???

16-8, never lost more than once in any season

Second go round?

2-2 with the sweep last season

[bubba9497]

Didn't you make a similar promise when you were so sure that we were going to have to cut all of our vets and field a team of rookies and scrubs? :laugh:



shhhhh, he doesn't want to remember that little bet... after all the razzing he gave me about knowing so much more than me


in the end.. what happened?

[GSF]

what's their record during Joe Gibbs first tenure???

16-8, never lost more than once in any season

Second go round?

2-2 with the sweep last season

Hey Bubba, how many playoff wins did the Iggles have last time Gibbs was coaching?

[Westbrook36]

Didn't you make a similar promise when you were so sure that we were going to have to cut all of our vets and field a team of rookies and scrubs? :laugh:

I never said that. I said if the labor agreement didn't get extended, you wouldn't get under the cap without feeling pain. Then again, you are nothing special. People around these parts have been flat out misrepresenting my previous statements for some time now.

[GSF]

Oh man, I forgot about that custom sig you made for WB. That thing is hilarious. :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

shhhhh, he doesn'y want to remember that little bet... after all the razzing he gave me about knowing so much more than me


in the end.. what happened?

Our bet was a side deal about one minute fact about the entire labor agreement. It's funny you try to portray it as if it were regarding the entire labor divide. I expect better of you, old chap. :(

[bubba9497]

Our bet was a side deal about one minute fact about the entire labor agreement. It's funny you try to portray it as if it were regarding the entire labor divide. I expect better of you, old chap. :(


butwho was right about almost everything debated????

:laugh:

[bubba9497]

Hey Bubba, how many playoff wins did the Iggles have last time Gibbs was coaching?


they went 1-6

including a wildcard loss to the Skins :D


so Gibbs record was actually 17-8 over the eagles

[Westbrook36]

I was. I stated several times that a new deal would get done and the Skins would not have to cut most of their players. The thing that gets attributed to me often around these parts is when I simply stated what would happen if the deal did not get done.

[bubba9497]

I was. I stated several times that a new deal would get done and the Skins would not have to cut most of their players. The thing that gets attributed to me often around these parts is when I simply stated what would happen if the deal did not get done.



:nono:


now now, lets be honest :D

[tr1]

I was. I stated several times that a new deal would get done and the Skins would not have to cut most of their players. The thing that gets attributed to me often around these parts is when I simply stated what would happen if the deal did not get done.

a re-write of history, ladies and gentlemen. :doh:

[Westbrook36]

a re-write of history, ladies and gentlemen. :doh:

Priceless. tr1 posting about the Eagles during the Skins game!!! :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

:nono:


now now, lets be honest :D

One thing I like about you Bubba is you are generally an honest fellow. Deep down, you know that I said, from the beginning, that I believed a deal would get done and the Skins would be fine.

[tr1]

Priceless. tr1 posting about the Eagles during the Skins game!!! :laugh:

Change the subject...

[GSF]

Priceless. tr1 posting about the Eagles during the Skins game!!! :laugh:
Who's talking about the Eagles? Watching you flail about is much more entertaining than the commercials. :laugh:

[Westbrook36]

Ok, GSF, since you are making the accusations, the responsibility of providing evidence lies solely with you. We have a search function. Let's see the quotes of exactly what I said.

Seems like everytime I ask for quotes, everyone (tr1) says they feel bad for me and would rather not.

[Westbrook36]

Change the subject...

I suppose threads like this and about the Eagles O line, Backup QB, etc will die down for awhile, from you, after tonights Skins game. :laugh:

Todd Collins what!?

Offensive line depth what!?

[GSF]

Ok, GSF, since you are making the accusations, the responsibility of providing evidence lies solely with you. We have a search function. Let's see the quotes of exactly what I said.

Seems like everytime I ask for quotes, everyone (tr1) says they feel bad for me and would rather not.

What do you think dude, we all just make this stuff up about you for the fun of it?

[tr1]

I suppose threads like this and about the Eagles O line, Backup QB, etc will die down for awhile, from you, after tonights Skins game. :laugh:

Todd Collins what!?

Offensive line depth what!?

Unlike you WB, I'll discuss what I saw tonight objectively...but the game is still on.

[Westbrook36]

What do you think dude, we all just make this stuff up about you for the fun of it?

Still no quotes? Funny stuff. Look up a little bit. That search button can give you all the information you want....unless, GASP, it doesn't exist.

[GSF]

Still no quotes? Funny stuff. Look up a little bit. That search button can give you all the information you want....unless, GASP, it doesn't exist.
Like I'm gonna waste time searching through your thousands of trolling threads.

[Westbrook36]

Put up or shut up.

[tr1]

Put up or shut up.

I remember it. Bubba remembers it.

No need to dredge up something that makes you look bad, WB.

We're doing you a favor.

[Westbrook36]

What you remember is me carefully going over what would happen if the CBA was not extended. On about 20 different occasions, I said it would be extended and the Skins would come through relatively unscathed.

[GSF]

What I remember is Westy trying to launch ES into full panic mode, which is not so hard these days.

[SonnyJ]

The Eagles are 21-11 against Washington since 1990. I'd say that's owning a team in a 15 year span.

Hmm, doesn't seem like ownage to me, but whatever helps you sleep at night. I guess the Eagles built up a cushion during the years immediately following Gibbs and then the Spurrier years. Other than that, I remember a bunch of splits.

Does that record include the spanking that the Redskins laid on the Eagles at the vet in the playoffs? :laugh: :laugh:

[dockeryfan]

You are absolutely delusional buddy. The Eagles are soft now? The Eagles have completely owned the Skins for the past 15 years.
1996 split
1997 split
1998 split
1999 split
2000 split
2001 split

You are freaking delusional. "Completely owned." What a freaking joke you are.
The Eagles had three years. Three. And last year erased one of them.
Take your 15 years crap back to farging fishtown.

[SittingBull]

Why are we dwelling in the past? The past doesn't matter anymore, and if it did at the end of the day we have our Superbowl trophies to admire while Philly has nothing but crushed hopes and broken hearts. I think it would be beneficial to keep the past in the past and look forward to the future for your sake if anything else.

[Fifty Gut]

Westbrook was already in a boot after that one drive against Oakland

[McNabbOwnsFedEx]

And Portis was in a sling, it's preseason, guys get banged up. At least Westbrook will be there week 1.

But he was never in a boot, not right now even. It was a minor injury that they're handling with caution. I'd be surprised if he plays at all the rest of the preseason.

[tr1]

And Portis was in a sling, it's preseason, guys get banged up. At least Westbrook will be there week 1.

But he was never in a boot, not right now even. It was a minor injury that they're handling with caution. I'd be surprised if he plays at all the rest of the preseason.

http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0808/9649494_180X135.jpg

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9647211/detail.html

You really should follow your team a bit more closely.

[OWUeagleMD]

http://images.ibsys.com/2006/0808/9649494_180X135.jpg

http://www.nbc10.com/news/9647211/detail.html

You really should follow your team a bit more closely.

We could never hope to follow the Eagles as closely as you, particularly regarding injuries.

Westbrook is slated to begin practicing again this week, but will be held out of the remainder of preseason games.

[GSF]

We could never hope to follow the Eagles as closely as you, particularly regarding injuries.

Westbrook is slated to begin practicing again this week, but will be held out of the remainder of preseason games.

You and westbrook are huge crybabies. tr1 is doing us skins fans a favor by keeping tabs on the other nfc east teams. I can see you being pissed off if he came to an eagles board and trolled about injuries to the Eagles, but that's not what he's doing. This is a Skins board, you don't like it, don't come in here.

[dockeryfan]

We could never hope to follow the Eagles as closely as you, particularly regarding injuries.

Westbrook is slated to begin practicing again this week, but will be held out of the remainder of preseason games.
I think I'll take Tr1 over McNabbownsfredex. Case in point, he knew about the boot, this joker claimed he never wore one.

[Westbrook36]

You and westbrook are huge crybabies. tr1 is doing us skins fans a favor by keeping tabs on the other nfc east teams. I can see you being pissed off if he came to an eagles board and trolled about injuries to the Eagles, but that's not what he's doing. This is a Skins board, you don't like it, don't come in here.

If by "keeping tabs" you really mean "posting injury news to get excited over" then I agree.

Talk about being a crybaby.....tr1 almost starting reporting members when someone made a bengals thread. :laugh:

[Warhead36]

The most satisfying win over the Skins was in Spurriers first year. First you had the blowout over the 9ers in Japan....then you squeek by the Cards in week 1. Week 2, the Skins fans SERIOUSLY thought they were the best team in the league and Spurrier was going to change the NFL.

Then the Skins score the first 7 points, AT HOME!!! It must have been marvelous to be a Skins fan, for those 2 or 3 minutes, until reality hit home. You know, those 37 straight points to end the game. :laugh:

If your going to use history at least get it right. We did not score the first 7 points. The Eagles went up 14-0 before Jacquez Green returned a Punt for a TD to make it 14-7. Then the rest of the Eagles rout continued. I think that was the tear gas game. And the Spurrier lip flip game.


Carry on.

[OWUeagleMD]

You and westbrook are huge crybabies. tr1 is doing us skins fans a favor by keeping tabs on the other nfc east teams. I can see you being pissed off if he came to an eagles board and trolled about injuries to the Eagles, but that's not what he's doing. This is a Skins board, you don't like it, don't come in here.

I'm not crying about much of anything. tr1 and I have been quite cordial to one another lately.

[eagles78]

1996 split
1997 split
1998 split
1999 split
2000 split
2001 split

You are freaking delusional. "Completely owned." What a freaking joke you are.
The Eagles had three years. Three. And last year erased one of them.
Take your 15 years crap back to farging fishtown.Like I said, 21-11 since 1990. That's a .656 winning percentage including six sweeps. Spin it any way you want with the splits.

[RedskinDan0557]

Like I said, 21-11 since 1990. That's a .656 winning percentage including six sweeps. Spin it any way you want with the splits.

Yeah but if you go back 1855, were 1032 to 111.

[GSF]

If by "keeping tabs" you really mean "posting injury news to get excited over" then I agree.


Man are you thick. He posts info, info that a lot of us want. He's never cheered for or gotten excited about an injury, he justs posts links to the articles about the injuries.

It's really unbelievable how much whining you're doing over this considering how much trolling you've done in here.