Todd Collins a QB?

[Apache516]

A friend of mine is a Chiefs fan, he thanked me for the 'Skins picking up Todd Collins. Now I see why. Does anyone else think he should be the 3rd stringer and that Jason Campbell should be our back up?

:dallasuck

[terpfan]

Ummm... yes? I have a feeling it will be that way shortly.

I do feel a little bad for Collins actually. Sure, he sucked, but he had ZERO protection. He just didnt handle the crappy pass blocking very well. When he did have time he actually made a couple nice throws...

[turbodiesel#44]

I think that is obvious to even life forms in other star systems now. I hereby officially deem JC #2.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Jason Campbell #2 QB by the start of the season. When you can perform like he did against a Marvin Lewis D, you get props 1st, 2nd, 3rd string blah blah blah it doesn't matter. Jason Campbell will have a good game against the Jets if he can do some of the same things. Collins is here for one thing...getting Brunell and Campbell ready in this new offense. If he thinks differently, Gibbs need to have a sit down. He's garbage IMO :2cents:
HTTR!

[CM916]

Im giving him the benefit of the doubt unless it happens again. Everyone has a bad day now and then. Campbell is looking pretty good but I still wouldn't want to see him play a full game just yet.

[Dead Money]

Does this make you feel better?


Campbell goes second
Gibbs said second-year man Jason Campbell, who had the best night of Washington's three quarterbacks in Cincinnati, will play after starter Mark Brunell in Saturday's preseason home opener against the New York Jets. Veteran Todd Collins, who got to play before Campbell in a poor Redskins debut against the Bengals, will be No. 3 on Saturday.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060815-010822-7737r_page2.htm

[DWinzit]

Give Casey Bramlet a shot!

[909997]

campbell will start this season because of brunells injury

[herrmag]

Ummm... yes? I have a feeling it will be that way shortly.

I do feel a little bad for Collins actually. Sure, he sucked, but he had ZERO protection. He just didnt handle the crappy pass blocking very well. When he did have time he actually made a couple nice throws...


I have to admit that I am very disappointed in Collins' performance. I realize that he had zero protection, and I realize that this is the first preseason game, but what kind of veteran QB throws the ball AT defensive lineman when he's feeling the pressure? He almost threw a TD interception with his last folly. I'd expect this behavior more from Campbell than I would Collins.

[herrmag]

Does this make you feel better?



http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20060815-010822-7737r_page2.htm

They're supposed to be alternating anyways, right?

[COOLhandsCOOLEY]

campbell will start this season because of brunells injury

what injury? gotta link got any more information or are you just trying out for extremeskins psychic? :rolleyes:

[skinsdude]

I have to admit that I am very disappointed in Collins' performance. I realize that he had zero protection, and I realize that this is the first preseason game, but what kind of veteran QB throws the ball AT defensive lineman when he's feeling the pressure? He almost threw a TD interception with his last folly. I'd expect this behavior more from Campbell than I would Collins.

I agree with you. You would think that a veteran QB would know how to correctly throw the ball away by now.

[NattyLight]

Does this remind anyone of last year? Mark Brunell goes down Monday night after throwing an INT and then JC steps in as the starter for the remainder of the season.:cool:

[jnhay]

A friend of mine is a Chiefs fan, he thanked me for the 'Skins picking up Todd Collins. Now I see why. Does anyone else think he should be the 3rd stringer and that Jason Campbell should be our back up?

:dallasuck
I think he had a really bad game, and that it was in mainly because he never sees any real action. He needs to forget about that game, and work on getting comfortable in the pocket. Our Oline didn't give him much help, but notheless he looked terrible under pressure, like he couldn't think fast enough. He'll work on it, and will look better as the preseason goes on. The coaching staff has to look at this situation, and make a fairly tough decision if it ever comes to relying on Campbell or Collins. Do we take the more naturally gifted and talented QB who has doesn't know the offense that well or do we put in a guy who knows the offense, but who would also never be considered a starting caliber QB?

My opinion of this would change on when Brunell would get hurt (knock on wood, I hope he doesn't). If he were to get hurt at the beginning of the season, I'd say maybe put in Collins and see how he performs with the starting Oline. If it's midseason, I think Campbell would be acquainted enough with the offense to step in and perform better than Collins. Collins is a good guy to have right now, because he can help teach the other QBs on the team.


Does this remind anyone of last year? Mark Brunell goes down Monday night after throwing an INT and then JC steps in as the starter for the remainder of the season.:cool:
I hope that's a joke :laugh: Please don't tell me that's what you want to happen. Brunell gives us the best chance to win right now, clearly.


I agree with you. You would think that a veteran QB would know how to correctly throw the ball away by now.
Nonetheless, a veteran QB who hasn't seen action in a while.

[JetSkins]

after sundays game, i'd say Campbell is the #2 guy

[poidog22]

They're supposed to be alternating anyways, right?
Yeah, they're alternating who steps into the 2nd string until Collins or Campbell makes a statement on the field that he should be in that spot.

[RedskinInExile]

after sundays game, i'd say Campbell is the #2 guy

I'd hold off on that for a couple of games, but barring a spectacular resurgence, I'll agree with you. Aside from Collins blowing it under pressure (INT, followed by a safety which shoulda been another pick for 6 [his most accurate pass all night was drilling some Bengal D-lineman right in the numbers], followed by falling down on 3rd and 1), our other backup looked pretty damn smart. Campbell looked sharp and calm. God forbid, should Brunell need to take an extended break, I'd actually feel ok with Campbell in there.

[redman]

Todd Collins looked precisely like what he was: a rusty backup QB in his first pre-season game playing with the 2nd team offense versus the 1st team defense.

What did you expect?

[waterwagen]

Todd Collins a QB?Good question. Based on Sunday night's game, I say no.:D

[XxSpearheadxX]

Im giving him the benefit of the doubt unless it happens again. Everyone has a bad day now and then. Campbell is looking pretty good but I still wouldn't want to see him play a full game just yet.

That was more than a bad day. He threw the ball to a defensive end. Hit them right in the numbers.

Twice.

I can't believe Saunders said it was, "Nerves" if an 11 year vet gets nerves against the 2nd and 3rd string defense in a preseason game - what is the point of him being lauded for his experience?

Todd Collins is a practice player. A true one.


Todd Collins looked precisely like what he was: a rusty backup QB in his first pre-season game playing with the 2nd team offense versus the 1st team defense.

What did you expect?

I didn't see any other "rusty backups" around the league put in performances nearly as bad as that over the weekend.

They do have preseason games in Kansas City right?

[lunarluau]

He's an experienced back-up, and I emphasize back-up, with a knowledge of the offnes. He can help Brunell and Campbell. Whether he's seond or third string right now isn't imprtant

[XxSpearheadxX]

He's an experienced back-up, and I emphasize back-up, with a knowledge of the offnes. He can help Brunell and Campbell. Whether he's seond or third string right now isn't imprtant

Thats because its preseason, but after that first snap against the Vikings, it becomes unbelievably important.

No matter how much Brunell's alpha-male beard has me in its trance of full confidence, I know deep down he could become the 04 Mark, or a hurt Mark after one hit by either of the 1st round pick DEs that the Vikings have.

[skinsmania123]

What a nightmare this guy is. I mean he knows Saunders offense and he was completely out of rhythm...he looked like a damn rookie out there. No veteran that I have seen with half a brain gets caught for a safety in the end zone...

[BGFollower]

He's an experienced back-up, and I emphasize back-up, with a knowledge of the offnes. He can help Brunell and Campbell. Whether he's seond or third string right now isn't imprtant

fine if all he can do is help get brunell and JC ready. lets cut him. make him assistant QB coach and bring in some (i think i can still play) veteran. God forbid we ever have 2 qb go down but if we did we need someone that at least doesn't look scared out there...

[redman]

Hello? 2nd string o-line vs. 1st string defense? Hello? Anyone?

[waterwagen]

Hello? 2nd string o-line vs. 1st string defense? Hello? Anyone?So he is compelled to throw the ball into the arms of defensive linemen?

[cmorina69]

Quick awsner is no, i rather have ARE or Portis back takening the snaps.

[jimster]

Im giving him the benefit of the doubt unless it happens again. Everyone has a bad day now and then.


I agree. - I'm not ready to trash him just yet, but if he comes in the next game and looks the same way, then maybe we can take a look at Casey Bramlet as a possible #3.

[christopher44]

Is Collins somehow related to Saunders.Thats the only way I see him being in a uniform.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Is Collins somehow related to Saunders.Thats the only way I see him being in a uniform.

I really think he was there to help teach the offense in a crash course, because he can man the helm in practice. I doubt Saunders has much confidence left in him now.

He has been the #2 in KC for a long time, but Green has yet to miss a game there which is amazing.

I too, would rather have Randle El play a shotgun option offense than have chance to see the debacle of depraved football I witnessed Sunday night.

Oh the horror.

[bulldog]

If we had pulled the plug on Brunell after 2004, we would have finished 6-10 or 7-9 in 2005 and missed the playoffs with Ramsey at qb. Look, he can't even solidify the backup job in New York :)

Yet, that was the vote of the fans after 2004.

Collins will never be the starting qb of the Redskins by coach or fan choice, but he is on the roster for a reason.

And that reason is to help get Campbell ready to play. Not merely ready to go out there and get drilled and throw interceptions, but go out there and be successful :)

In that regard he is an important asset to the team right now.

I don't really care what he does in time with a backup line that has perhaps 1 or 2 guys that will make the roster and 3 that will be cut outright :)

Especially not when facing an NFL starting DL.

[Dat Dude88]

Collins will always have a place on our bench!

JC is "dat dude". The one people will speak of in the future about the Redskin QB that's been putting up big #'s. I can hear it now..."That's dat dude they were talking about!"

Collins is a scrub & it's a shame a person that was intended to be an integral part in helping our QB's learn the Offense, hasn't even learned to look like like a veteran of the NFL.

[Friend of the Devil]

A friend of mine is a Chiefs fan, he thanked me for the 'Skins picking up Todd Collins. Now I see why. Does anyone else think he should be the 3rd stringer and that Jason Campbell should be our back up?

:dallasuck

He should be doing the laundry at Fed-Ex after the games in my opinion. Throwing damn near underhand balls to the defensive tackle in two consecutive series will not win #2 QB.

[bbuzz1962]

It was certainly and embarassment for Collins. I couldn't imagine a worse start than he had Sunday night. The interception to a lineman on his knees? Don't think I have ever seen that by any NFL quarterback. Keep him on the practice squad only. Emergency quarterback only please.

[jc17mvp]

:helmet: Campbell should be training Collins! :cheers: Lead us to the Superbowl Jason Campbell #17. :logo: Campbell just makes good ..:2cents:.

[mojobo]

Quick awsner is no, i rather have ARE or Portis back takening the snaps.

Agreed!! Start getting ARE some reps so he step in if something happens to Brunnell and Campbell.

[XxSpearheadxX]

I don't really care what he does in time with a backup line that has perhaps 1 or 2 guys that will make the roster and 3 that will be cut outright :)

Especially not when facing an NFL starting DL.

Actually our line did a pretty good job against the pass rush when there wasn't a blitz, at least the left side which is Collins' blindside - both against Cinci's starters and backups.

Especially Walter, I thought he really proved himself as a left tackle.

[DWinzit]

Actually our line did a pretty good job against the pass rush when there wasn't a blitz, at least the left side which is Collins' blindside - both against Cinci's starters and backups.
Especially Walter, I thought he really proved himself as a left tackle.
Walter's play may very well have been the brightest spot for the game!
It is true we had RB's with little if any NNFL experience being asked to diagnose and pick up blitzes. This is a tough task and I overlooked this in the midst of my Collins disgust. Still disgusted by the way.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Im giving him the benefit of the doubt unless it happens again. Everyone has a bad day now and then. Campbell is looking pretty good but I still wouldn't want to see him play a full game just yet.

So you'd want to see Todd Collins play a full game? :doh:

[Big Bake]

Clearly, the only reason Collins is here, is to help Al Saunders teach the offense. Jason Campbell has the better arm and legs of all three QB's. Mark Brunell has more field experience than the other two put together. Todd Collins has been in the league for ten years, knows Saunders offense, but is not as good of an athelete as the other QB's.

#1.Mark Brunell
#2.Jason Campbell
#3.(Clipboard)Todd Collins
:thumbsup:

[redman]

So he is compelled to throw the ball into the arms of defensive linemen?

I also pointed out that he was rusty and looked better as he settled in. Keep up.

[waterwagen]

I also pointed out that he was rusty and looked better as he settled in. Keep up.Actually, the quote I responded to was


Hello? 2nd string o-line vs. 1st string defense? Hello? Anyone?Keep up.

[ironmic]

Todd Collins is not a QB. Really he is a Quarter Horse with Terets and a Helmet :munchout:

[redskinsforlife]

Ummm... yes? I have a feeling it will be that way shortly.

I do feel a little bad for Collins actually. Sure, he sucked, but he had ZERO protection. He just didnt handle the crappy pass blocking very well. When he did have time he actually made a couple nice throws...

Feel bad for collins?? How much money per pass has he earned in his carreer? O line was bad but he was off the chain bad.

[iceman330]

A friend of mine is a Chiefs fan, he thanked me for the 'Skins picking up Todd Collins. Now I see why. Does anyone else think he should be the 3rd stringer and that Jason Campbell should be our back up?

:dallasuck

2 words....HELL YES

[XxSpearheadxX]

Feel bad for collins?? How much money per pass has he earned in his carreer? O line was bad but he was off the chain bad.

If you go back and watch the game again - I didn't notice his protection so horribly bad compared to an average NFL game. I think people are making a little more of it then there really was.

He always had time to see the blitz (which were always obvious, no zone blitz masking) and go to his hot read - he just never did.

Stop making excuses - the guy sucked large radioactive donkey like I've never seen.


Todd Collins is not a QB. Really he is a Quarter Horse with Terets and a Helmet :munchout:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[waterwagen]

If you go back and watch the game again - I didn't notice his protection so horribly bad compared to an average NFL game. I think people are making a little more of it then there really was.

He always had time to see the blitz (which were always obvious, no zone blitz masking) and go to his hot read - he just never did.Yup. Bad protection is an excuse for sacks or incomplete passes. It is NOT an excuse for passes right into the arms of defensive linemen. Two series in a row! I'm willing to cut him some slack since he hasn't played much the last, oh, 7 years, but he's got a lot to prove.

[redskinsfan17]

From what I saw, Jason Campbell made better decisions and looked like he was comfortable. Collins lacked everything needed to be a #2. At this point I would put Campbell as #2 unless Collins performs unbelivably well Saturday.