A real DB solution....your thoughts?

[sparkosaurus]

First, I looked around for a thread that would be the same or that I thought I could post on to illicit the type of response I'm looking for and couldn't find one....if this has to be merged somewhere, sorry I missed where it should go but I think this is an original thread.

Obviously the whole Shawn Springs situation is a bummer and while he might be back in 4 weeks (we pray) he could be out weeks one and two...I'm not concerned about the Vikes but against the Cowboys could be real tough if 2 or all of their receivers actually play the game.

Likewise there has been all kinds of posting about the Rumph trade...that he's just a defensive Taylor Jacobs, that he's a first rounder looking to break out, you name it. While I certainly believe that anyone with talent who has struggled has the best possible opportunity to shine here under GW (look at all the unknowns he's turned into rock stars) I think it's important that we also think of other ways to be competitive while Springs is rehabilitating.

Here was my thought....I should preface by saying I've never been a football player so I really don't know if this is feasible or crazy talk....

How would our secondary look if we had Prioleau and Archuleta as our safeties and we moved Sean Taylor to cornerback??? He runs a sub 4.4, has great size and vertical leap...he does know coverage as a safety...would it be a giant stretch for him to play corner??

If this could work, I really don't see the Springs injury as a huge deal...Prioleau is a very competent and solid safety and with Archuleta back there with him, I think that's a very good tandem especially with Taylor still on the field in some fashion...

anyone have thoughts here? i'd love to hear them!

HTTR!

[HailfrmDEN]

it seems like Prioleau is always over look. No one has mentioned he looked great in the preseason game. He was everywhere.

[flexxskins]

Actually, it's not a crazy idea at all, Taylor has definitely got the ability, it would probably just never happen.

[fdarugar]

Williams will figure it out, just match the players up well and use Priloeau as a CB. I also think Jimoh will emmerge as our nickle cb.

[TLusby]

We had some discussions last year about this; however, Taylor is just to much of an asset to isolate and put on a corner. He is a play maker that another team can run deep every play and virtually keep him out of the game. He is versitile and could play OLB, SS, FS, or CB. I believe FS gives him the most freedom to use his play making abilities. GW's defenses will change the game and soon the FS will be one of the highest paid positions on the defensive side. My position is that he is to valuable to play CB!

[tr1]

If our pass rush is good, everything will be fine.

[SEANTAYLOR21]

I rather have it the opposite way around. Prioleau played corner before if im not mistaken and did a pretty good job.

[sparkosaurus]

We had some discussions last year about this; however, Taylor is just to much of an asset to isolate and put on a corner. He is a play maker that another team can run deep every play and virtually keep him out of the game. He is versitile and could play OLB, SS, FS, or CB. I believe FS gives him the most freedom to use his play making abilities. GW's defenses will change the game and soon the FS will be one of the highest paid positions on the defensive side. My position is that he is to valuable to play CB!

This makes sense to me now that I think of it..although someone else's comment about using Peirson as a possible CB might work too...with Shawn out and the jury very much out on Rumph I'd just like to know that with the talent we have, we should be able to maintain and win ball games (just talking about the defense right now, mind you) with the proven talent we have until Shawn gets back into the line up...

all in all, I feel really good.

thanks for sharing!

[Drunken Master III]

Actually Pierson has played cornerback already. He can play either position.

[PuckDallas81]

I rather have it the opposite way around. Prioleau played corner before if im not mistaken and did a pretty good job.

Prioleau did play corner alot last year.

[CapitalDefense]

St needs to stay right where he is, the last line of defense, a monster FS. His intimidation factor goes away when you keep him one on one with a single reciever. As it is now he covers alot of space and any reciever on his side of the field has to be worried, lets keep it that way.

Greg Williams will have a suitable replacement IF Springs can't go, no worries there.

[Joe Sick]

I also think Jimoh will emmerge as our nickle cb.

Now I'm really scared...

[[[ghost]]]

Good idea, but I'd rather convert Prioleau. Or we could run a zone with 3 safeties. One of you former football players can draw it up.

[Mr. S]

well, since Archuleta signed on, Taylor's role was going to be a rover, it seemed. I thought he wwas essentially given a role to "free lance" within the scheme, but definitely more in coverage. With that, he basically will be like a CB. I mean, if we line up with 5 DB's, well, Archuleta can try to blitz, and we man up on all the receivers with our 3 CB's, while Taylor provides support. Also, gotta figger, since Archuleta is a good blitzer, and Marshall has played safety before, Marshall can be dropped back over the middle as well.

[Fifty Gut]

instead of moving Taylor, we should feel better knowing he's back there covering the weaknesses of whoever takes Springs' place

[DWinzit]

Actually Pierson has played cornerback already. He can play either position.
Yes he did and it would make more sense using him in a minor CB role than ST. ST is much to valuable where he is, although will probably find himself covering from time to time due to CB blitzes.


If our pass rush is good, everything will be fine.
This is a huge point. With GW's pressure D and the new additions to his crew, they should make things much easier on the DB's.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Sean Taylor may continue to cover certain larger recievers, but he will never be a starting CB. He is too integral to our defensive scheme, it is all built around him playing every position - including CB, FS, SS and MLB in our nickel packages.

Other than a mega trade for a young CB like Dunta Robinson or Nate Clements or a 2nd tier young starter type CB like Oakland's Fabian Washington or Namdi Asomugha - the best team to cyphon some talent from right now is the Broncos.
2 years ago they drafted a speedster named Roc Alexander, he's had a few problems both injury and a few off field fights, but he has a lot of upside as a #3 CB if Wright was to play the #2 like he did last year in Jacksonville.

We all know about the 05 surprise Dominique Foxworth, but there were 2 other CBs who were drafted last year who also have starting CB potential

Any of those Denver CBs could be real possibilities
since the Broncos are beyond stacked at the position, I predict that Ashburn is calling them as we speak.

As of Rumph, he is no Taylor Jacobs, when Rumph was a rookie he Put up 43 tackles, as a sophmore he had around 56 and 2 sacks and 3 interceptions.
The last 2 years he's been hurt. He is a much more established player, however he is also a much better safety than a CB. Gibbs says he is slotted as a CB on our team though.

Pierson Prielou is NOT a cornerback, he played limited nickelback last year and struggled mightily. Pierson as a Nickel is palatable, as a CB on an outside starting reciever? We would go to Dimitri Patterson before him he is not even CLOSE to fast enough, they would just run a fly pattern right past him 3 downs in a row.

[whatmeworry]

I think we ought to put ST at lb and have him blitz on every down.

[fdarugar]

Now I'm really scared...

how could you not see how much Jimoh improved last year?

[DWinzit]

Other than a mega trade for a young CB like Dunta Robinson or Nate Clements or a 2nd tier young starter type CB like Oakland's Fabian Washington or Namdi Asomugha - the best team to cyphon some talent from right now is the Broncos.
2 years ago they drafted a speedster named Roc Alexander, he's had a few problems both injury and a few off field fights, but he has a lot of upside as a #3 CB if Wright was to play the #2 like he did last year in Jacksonville.
We all know about the 05 surprise Dominique Foxworth, but there were 2 other CBs who were drafted last year who also have starting CB potential
Any of those Denver CBs could be real possibilities
since the Broncos are beyond stacked at the position, I predict that Ashburn is calling them as we speak.
Nice job here! Clements far and a way makes the most sense, but won't happen. The only other CB That comes to mind is Jets-Derrick Strait who was almost traded today. He is full of potential. Also, people who are giving up on Wright are wrong.

[Smurf85]

Actually, it's not a crazy idea at all, Taylor has definitely got the ability, it would probably just never happen.


I like this idea they only thing is i dont see it happening.

[Smurf85]

Nice job here! Clements far and a way makes the most sense, but won't happen. The only other CB That comes to mind is Jets-Derrick Strait who was almost traded today. He is full of potential. Also, people who are giving up on Wright are wrong.

The only thing is we would have to give up Betts.I dont think that would be a good idea right now with CP getting hurt.People are going to give up on Wright if he does not prove himself.

[kbc19]

Ade Jimoh is at best, for now, a #4 CB...i think adding Rumph was a good idea but based on what i've heard from a cousin of mine(who's a DIE HARD Niners fan) he wasn't that great but he was...KEY WORD: *SOLID*...right now that's all we need at the CB position...we really don't need a SHUT DOWN kind of guy at that position because of the way Coach Williams has our "D"...we need BIG HITTERS and CBs that have decent covering skills...also putting Reed Doughty in at CB maybe?...ive heard he has good covering skills so that would be a nice place to try him out during the preseason...and actually switching ST and Peirson P. around from safety and corner once and awhile isn't a bad thing...we did it a lot last year...going back to the Niners game, ST played cornerback and got an INT and almost returned it for a TD...but the thought of making him a CB is CRAZY...i wouldn't be too worried about our CBs...we're fine in that area...just get better soon Shawn :D

[fansince62]

not in favor of the idea though it is servicable in a pinch

1) restricts your best defensive player to playing less than 1/2 the field

2) prioleau aint gonna make it through the season. you note how many times he leaves his feet when tackling and leads with his head? sooner or later he's gonna get his noggin busted.

wonder if the rumph trade was going to be made anyways based on wright's performance or whether it has been in the works for a longer period of time.

[XxSpearheadxX]

The only thing is we would have to give up Betts.I dont think that would be a good idea right now with CP getting hurt.People are going to give up on Wright if he does not prove himself.

We wouldn't have to give up Betts for a lesser CB like the later ones I listed from the broncos.

Why do people act like Wright isn't a 26 year old veteran with a proven track record? Prove himself? How about starting @ CB all 16 games on the #7 pass defense last year?

[spanishomelette]

As of Rumph, he is no Taylor Jacobs, when Rumph was a rookie he Put up 43 tackles, as a sophmore he had around 56 and 2 sacks and 3 interceptions.
The last 2 years he's been hurt. He is a much more established player, however he is also a much better safety than a CB. Gibbs says he is slotted as a CB on our team though.

Gray has since commented on Rumph's position...
http://www.extremeskins.org/TC2006/gray15.pdf
On what position Mike Rumph (CB, #30R) will play: “I think Gregg is going to say wherever he is best needed is what he is going to do. If we need him at safety one week, we know he can do it because he did it at San Francisco. If we need him at corner we are going to put him at corner.”

[XxSpearheadxX]

Gray has since commented on Rumph's position...
http://www.extremeskins.org/TC2006/gray15.pdf
On what position Mike Rumph (CB, #30R) will play: “I think Gregg is going to say wherever he is best needed is what he is going to do. If we need him at safety one week, we know he can do it because he did it at San Francisco. If we need him at corner we are going to put him at corner.”

Thanks :cheers:

[SWFLSkins]

Now I'm really scared...


Why has this sentiment carried over after last year? Jimoh has progressed and will contribute. It seems as though once a guy gets a rep he can't shake it for nothing.

Also another poster mentioned the DL pressure. I agree, with the DL doing its job the corners won't be as exposed. Nothing like a little pressure to keep QB's from picking a corner apart and making him look incompetent.

Please give Jimoh some Love, he deserves it finally.

[SWFLSkins]

We wouldn't have to give up Betts for a lesser CB like the later ones I listed from the broncos.

Why do people act like Wright isn't a 26 year old veteran with a proven track record? Prove himself? How about starting @ CB all 16 games on the #7 pass defense last year?

C'mon Spear, that must have been a fluke, afterall we have seen him in one preseason game and that tells us all we need to know, :doh:
I hate to be sarcastic, but I must. Afterall this is Gregg Willaims we are talking about. Jimoh has developed, Wright is not a weak link, Rodgers is ready to break-out, Rumph-who knows. And with Jerry Gray coaching, I just don't see the doom and gloom that is being forcasted here of late. Of course as I and others have stated, and I played corner, the DL makes all the difference in the secondary. Of course all this will be helped with a speedy recovery from Sean Springs. Get Well Soon!

[fansince62]

"Why do people act like Wright isn't a 26 year old veteran with a proven track record? Prove himself? How about starting @ CB all 16 games on the #7 pass defense last year?"

in fact...he was sooooo good...the JAGs felt compelled to pull all the stops to keep him.

NOT.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

I think Gregg has something up his sleeve...
HTTR!

[XxSpearheadxX]

"Why do people act like Wright isn't a 26 year old veteran with a proven track record? Prove himself? How about starting @ CB all 16 games on the #7 pass defense last year?"

in fact...he was sooooo good...the JAGs felt compelled to pull all the stops to keep him.

NOT.

They offered him a bigger contract than we did. I didn't say he was a probowler, but the fact I stated remains the same.

[red dot in a sea of blue]

"Why do people act like Wright isn't a 26 year old veteran with a proven track record? Prove himself? How about starting @ CB all 16 games on the #7 pass defense last year?"

in fact...he was sooooo good...the JAGs felt compelled to pull all the stops to keep him.

NOT.

We're talking about Wright the BACK UP cb, right? I mean we're not trying to have him be a starter every week instead of Springs or Rogers are we?

Cause as a back up, I'd rather have a solid ex-starter that could be starting on some teams then.... who are you suggesting?

Or are you just complaing about a pre-season game and not trusting GW?

If he's good enough for Williams as a BACK UP then he's good enough for me....

[csgunderson]

Kenny Wright will be a fine back-up. He had a bad game last week, but it was his first game in what is for him a new defense. Cut him a little slack at this point.

And as others have said, Ade Jimoh played much better last year, and we'd have to expect that he will continue to improve. He's a big, physical corner and could be a huge asset this season. There are a lot of solid players in the NFL who started their careers on a sour note. If he was really as bad as some make him out to be, do you realy think he'd still be in Coach Williams' defense? Jimoh should be back in action vs. the Jets, and I expect to see some good things from him.

Keep in mind that the most important player in the backfield to defend the pass is Sean Taylor. Last season, Springs and Rogers missed some time and the pass defense didn't suffer too much. But when Taylor wasn't back there roaming center field versus TB, they threw bombs with no fear.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I think with Prioleau, Arch, Taylor, Rogers, and Jimoh...we can piece together a good secondary while Springs is out. I trust that GW will be able to figure it out to best use his players.

Keep in mind, Springs missed some time last year and our D was pretty solid.

[Greekdude]

Come on Fellas It was Wright's first game and Greg put him on an island to see where he was at, He obviously needs more work getting adapted to this defense, but it is just one game guys!! Next week if he takes one to the house or makes several nice plays alot of people on this board will be saying how he will be great fillin in for Springs while he is out.He did start 16 games on a very good defense last year give the guy some slack!!!:2cents:

[DCsportsfan53]

Williams will figure it out, just match the players up well and use Priloeau as a CB. I also think Jimoh will emmerge as our nickle cb.


He's actually been running ahead of Wright as the #3 all of camp so far.

[aqq]

You dont take a pro bowl safety and move him to a position he has never played. He most valuable at safety. Moving him would weaken the defense even more. Plus springs will miss only, if any, 1 or 2 games. No reason to start panicking and moving players positions around. Wright, Rumph, Morton or Patterson will have to step up. Thats the nature of the game.

[909997]

pearson prearlou*spell* was a starter in bills high ranked D