Can Carlos Rogers be our #1 cb?

[skinfan2k]

is he capable of handling the position of being the #1 cb on this team? with springs being injuired can we trust him to guard the likes of steve smith, t.o, plaxico? also can carlos rogers be considered to be a #1 cb on other teams? what are your thoughts on this situation? rogers has been injuired many times in his short stint in washington

[Bigredskin77]

I dont know, he is kind of shaky at the corner spot. Hopefully he has progressed enough from last year to be the next darrel green. I think we should put sean taylor on the teams best reciever.

[terpfan]

Eventually he can be that, but he;s still young. I would really like to get one more year of a healthy Springs. If Springs must sit out week 1 I think we may be OK, as the Vikes dont have a dominant #1 WR. But I would really like Shawn back to cover TO in week 2.

[SkinsFanMania]

I think in due time he will be the number 1 CB. Remember he is only in his 2nd season and was definitly the best CB to come out of the 2005 draft, which was deep in CB's.

[Loyal2Washington]

Whether Carlos can or can't be a number one CB doesn't really matter, he is our number one CB.

As long as the front seven can pressure the QB like they did Cincy, who has a very good offensive line, then Carlos should do fine. Not to mention the safety play of ST and Arch will help ease alot of the Springs loss. Notice how Cincy didn't even try the middle of the field.

[Bigredskin77]

I think in due time he will be the number 1 CB. Remember he is only in his 2nd season and was definitly the best CB to come out of the 2005 draft, which was deep in CB's.



I think alot of people will argue that Antrell rolle was better.

[skinfan2k]

springs has been banged up for the past 2 yrs and im worried that if springs has a recurring injury this year rogers wont be able to handle that position as the 1cb

[XxSpearheadxX]

I believe so - most scouts I've read or heard from, after last year, view him as a CB who is the best from that talented class so far and will be a perrenial probowler for the rest of his career.


Hits like a sledgehammer, runs a 4.31 40 and was the Jim Thorpe award winner in college?

Its funny I've never felt nervous with Carlos at CB, he won my trust after that san diego game.


I think alot of people will argue that Antrell rolle was better.

Well Rolle was pretty much hurt last season and it is not forgone that Rolle will who is much much slower than both Rogers and even Pacman will actually play CB and not safety.

Personally I see Rolle as a cover FS in the NFL like Dwight Smith, until he proves otherwise that he is more like a Ronde Barber, his skills are there but I don't think he can cover burners like Rogers can.

As far as production per quarter for any of those CBs, Rogers has them all beat.

[Scrimmage]

I dont know, he is kind of shaky at the corner spot. Hopefully he has progressed enough from last year to be the next darrel green. I think we should put sean taylor on the teams best reciever.

The base of GW's "cover two" defense is zone coverage, not man. One of Rumph's tricky adjustments will be switching from man to zone. Pass coverage by corners in a Cover 2 is in the flanks ... and to collide with WRs coming off the line to keep the field narrower for the safeties. Both the corners and the LBs underneath have to play man for some distance of the line. The "read" is which way receivers break from there. ST and AA (under the basic D anyway) have the deep ball receivers regardless. If the best guy goes deep, they got him.

[lunarluau]

We're going to find out if he's capable awfully fast

[Joe Sick]

Eventually he can be that, but he;s still young. I would really like to get one more year of a healthy Springs. If Springs must sit out week 1 I think we may be OK, as the Vikes dont have a dominant #1 WR. But I would really like Shawn back to cover TO in week 2.

We should probably put ST on TO most of the time anyway, just to negate his size advantage. I'm sure Williams will scheme something up. Dallas might have some nagging issues with WR injuries themselves.

[XxSpearheadxX]

We should probably put ST on TO most of the time anyway, just to negate his size advantage. I'm sure Williams will scheme something up. Dallas might have some nagging issues with WR injuries themselves.

ST will always cover any reciever he is capable of at least 50% of the time, i agree.

Springs plays safety very often in GW's defense as well, and Carlos will also do this role, because it allows ST to be all over the place before the snap.

[909997]

theirs a reason we drafted him with 9th pick

[philal0102]

is he capable of handling the position of being the #1 cb on this team? with springs being injuired can we trust him to guard the likes of steve smith, t.o, plaxico? also can carlos rogers be considered to be a #1 cb on other teams? what are your thoughts on this situation? rogers has been injuired many times in his short stint in washington

I would give it another 2 years before he is a legit #1 CB. I hope that he has made some progress since last year. But I don't think he's ready just yet.:2cents:

[RunPortisRun]

theirs a reason we drafted him with 9th pick

Huh? I thought the train of thought around here was, "Give him one more year."

[CPstretch]

well he is the #1 corner now so we will see if he lives up to the hype of being the #9 pick in the draft. i personally think he is ready to breakout and be a premeire corner in the NFL

[skinfan2k]

would he get abused by smith, owens and plax or not?

[dxtrmanlee]

carlos 1 on 1 on island would get abused by smith and owens, and only because of size by plaxico. however, this would rarely be the case, I am a fan of putting your number 1 CB on the teams number 2 WR and having him completly shut him down, then number 2 cb on number 1 WR with LB help short and safety help over the top, unless its a team without a dominant wide out then match up best vs. best with some safety help.

[RunPortisRun]

If we want to talk about size, Rogers and Springs are the same height but Springs weighs 8 pounds more. Rogers can do the job. Not saying he can do it just based on size but it seems alot are making that argument.

[joelvincent]

I think alot of people will argue that Antrell rolle was better.

He may have looked better on paper coming out of school, but he's hasn't shown anything but a penchant to fumble on kickoff returns.

[skinfan2k]

carlos 1 on 1 on island would get abused by smith and owens, and only because of size by plaxico. however, this would rarely be the case, I am a fan of putting your number 1 CB on the teams number 2 WR and having him completly shut him down, then number 2 cb on number 1 WR with LB help short and safety help over the top, unless its a team without a dominant wide out then match up best vs. best with some safety help.

haha, this defintely seems like a madden strategy. but can anyone conform if this strategy is used in real life

[aqq]

I dont know, he is kind of shaky at the corner spot. Hopefully he has progressed enough from last year to be the next darrel green. I think we should put sean taylor on the teams best reciever.

wow at least your expectations aren't high:laugh: ; u should rephrase your quote: "I dont know, he is kind of shaky at the corner spot. Hopefully he has progressed enough from last year to be one of the best CB ever to play the game."

[Lil Kenzo]

Rogers still has a little ways to go to be a legit No. 1 CB. I think that if we were to match him against Elite WRs, he would get abused. Against Minny, we should be fine without Springs and having Rogers 1 on 1 with the No. 1 WR because they don't have an elite WR. But when we play a team like Dallas who has TO, then Rogers will need help.

I think that in another year Rogers will have gained enough experience to be able to handle elite receivers. He would still need help with the elite WRs, but if he had to guard them on an island, I think he could hold his own.

I'm so glad we have Sean Taylor. If not for him, we would be in serious trouble.

[G-Prime]

Carlos is a weird guy. He'll match the skill of whoever is acrossed from him (from what I can tell).. I think if he was put across from TO or Burress he'd rise to the occation

[cmorina69]

I have been thinkin about this , iono hes still untested but i think he would be pritty good, i think when springs leaves he will be ready to take over, but right now im hopeing that springs heals as fast as posable.

[SkinsindaUSAF21]

Eventually he can be that, but he;s still young. I would really like to get one more year of a healthy Springs. If Springs must sit out week 1 I think we may be OK, as the Vikes dont have a dominant #1 WR. But I would really like Shawn back to cover TO in week 2.

defintaly not now that koren robinson has been arrested for a DUI....and will most likely be suspended.

[kramit]

remember also that in GW defensive there is no #1 corner. the corners play sides of the field.

[PCRoughrider]

He doesn't have to. We have Shawn Springs.

[Mooka]

I'm not worried about Carlos being our #1 corner

Kenny, Rumph or Ade being the other starter is the problem..

[ciresolstice]

Eventually I think he can be...he has the tools and instincts to be...but right now..I'm not too comfortable with it..just not enough pro experience yet..there are some experienced #1 Wideouts that are going to fool him.

[XxSpearheadxX]

haha, this defintely seems like a madden strategy. but can anyone conform if this strategy is used in real life

Very very rarely. On a play by play basis to help in zone blitz packages, but yeah only in Madden would that be totally viable all game long :laugh:

would he get abused by smith, owens and plax or not?

He would not get abused in any sense of the word, he may not shut them down - but a CB of Roger's caliber with Arch and Taylor as the safeties will not be abused by any WR in the league.

Like I said most scouts view him as going on to his perennial probowl form if he can get over the injuries from his rookie year. His technique is viewed as superior for a CB of his age and experience. We all know he has sick athleticism.

[brooksfb]

At first thought, I would say Rogers hasn't made the kind of impact that other first round CBs like DeAngelo Hall, Pacman Jones, and Dunta Robinson have made. He may be a late bloomer but, in this day and age of the NFL, first rounders need to come out smokin'.

[XxSpearheadxX]

At first thought, I would say Rogers hasn't made the kind of impact that other first round CBs like DeAngelo Hall, Pacman Jones, and Dunta Robinson have made. He may be a late bloomer but, in this day and age of the NFL, first rounders need to come out smokin'.

You are kidding about Pacman Jones right? Carlos had 10 times the year of Pacman last year.

Either way Deangelo didn't have that much better of a rookie year than Carlos, Dunta did - but Dunta didn't deal with the injuries that Carlos did.

Between Sacks, Forced Fumbles, Passes Defended and Interceptions per game started I think Carlos stacks up against any of those 2.

BTW did you really think Pacman was the best CB of last years draft? All the experts I've read said that Foxworth had the best year but that Carlos by far had the most impact on games when he was in there - Pacman was a bunch of blown assignments and missed tackles imo. Plus Carlos was covering #1 recievers whenever Springs was out of the game from injuries.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Here is Deangelo Hall's rookie year (A little worse than Carlos')

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492951

Here is Pacman Jones (MUCH worse than Carlos)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/552555

Here is Carlos' (More FF than either, and the same INT as Deangelo Hall)

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/419829


I hope that makes you feel better about our stud CB. Only difference is that Carlos came out of school 2 years older than either of those guys - but as far as effectiveness he is right there or above them both.

[turbodiesel#44]

What are our choices again?

[XxSpearheadxX]

What are our choices again?

I heard CP was recruited as CB at every school except Miami , maybe once his shoulder gets better he could be our #1?

[CPstretch]

this is what sean taylor is for. he will be doubling whenever the opposing team has a stud WR. and we all know what sean can do...

[brooksfb]

Spearhead

Maybe I shouldn't have put Pacman in the mix but, that doesn't change the general thought of my post.

You seem hellbent on hating Pacman Jones. I don't know him or care about him but, I don't hate him either.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Spearhead

Maybe I shouldn't have put Pacman in the mix but, that doesn't change the general thought of my post.

You seem hellbent on hating Pacman Jones. I don't know him or care about him but, I don't hate him either.


Haha I don't hate Pacman, its just that Carlos had a better year than him - and Carlos also had just as good a rookie year as Deangelo Hall as well.

That was the general thought of my post. We should be excited to see what Carlos will do without the broken ankle all offseason, not doubting his ability! :cheers:

[brooksfb]

Haha I don't hate Pacman, its just that Carlos had a better year than him - and Carlos also had just as good a rookie year as Deangelo Hall as well.

That was the general thought of my post.

Cool. I thought I had triggered a terrets like syndrome that might require hospitalization. :twitch:

[posse87]

The interesting aspect to this conversation is that we haven't heard anything about him during camp, good or bad. I have heard Gray talk about Springs, but not Rogers.

[JHair]

is he capable of handling the position of being the #1 cb on this team? with springs being injuired can we trust him to guard the likes of steve smith, t.o, plaxico? also can carlos rogers be considered to be a #1 cb on other teams? what are your thoughts on this situation? rogers has been injuired many times in his short stint in washington
Yup he plays great when he's healthy. All 1st rd. draft picks are potential #1 guys on teams when they are drafted, I think he can step up to the challenge. Yes.

[posse87]

Pac Man Jones hasn't done jack crap except get in trouble.

[chaught76]

If he can't, why did we did draft him that high? I like having Springs around; who doesn't, but we drafted Rogers to be "the man" at CB. Also, like everyone else said, even with Springs out, we still have a really solid backfield. Finally, if we are getting pressure on the QB, even Ade Jimoh is going to look really good. :2cents:

[Warhead36]

I've got faith in him. 9th pick in the draft and he did win the Thorpe Award for best CB in the country in College. He's got skills. :)

[[[ghost]]]

He'll get help even if he's not.


Taylor is a ball hawk in his own. And If anyone beats Rogers, they're gonna get the snot knocked out of them by AA.

[CapitalDefense]

Carlos will be just fine, just a youngster taking his lumps early. They all do it, I think Carlos will suprise some of us with his play this year.

[SkinzFan007]

he absolutely can be our number 1 and will be for many years. is he ready right now. probably not. he has a ton of potential to be a real play maker but at this point he will still make some mental errors that come with his inexperience. he will be special

[knowerofredskins]

Carlos is definitely ready to be the number 1. he can tackle from the corner spot and he can cover just as good as any of our other corners. he is gonna be a real good corner.

[XxSpearheadxX]

The interesting aspect to this conversation is that we haven't heard anything about him during camp, good or bad. I have heard Gray talk about Springs, but not Rogers.

There is a good interview with both Rogers and one with Gray talking about how Grey (Gray?) thinks Rogers can get double digit interceptions with his elite ball skills, and that is what they have been working on.

Jerry G. said something like Carlos' man2man is phenomenal so they have been working on ways to integrate more of the risk taking he did in college into his NFL game.

It had me raring to go, especially when you realize that Carlos missed 90% of the offseason last year because of the broken bone in his foot.

I love Carlos "Los Bandito" Rogers.

Cool. I thought I had triggered a terrets like syndrome that might require hospitalization. :twitch:
:rotflmao: Thats the kind of post you better not be enjoying a hot beverage while reading!

[CowboysForLife]

I think Rogers should be just fine. Will Wright be good at the #2 spot, though?

[XxSpearheadxX]

I think Rogers should be just fine. Will Wright be good at the #2 spot, though?

I think that is the one that would be up for grabs, him or Rumph or Jimoh - or someone else we bring in...

Hopefully Springs will be ready to cover T. Glenn in September, so don't you worry yer purdy little hat covered head ;)

edit: We rotate Sean Taylor to cover WRs so often, that one CB is often playing a zone safety role - which I know Rumph is good at - also why I think they brought him in.

How is T. Newman doing? I have a feeling this is his big year to be considered among the best CBs in the league.

[SkinsFTW]

I think he will do fine but Springs is still much better at this point.

[Fifty Gut]

I think alot of people will argue that Antrell rolle was better.


and they would be wrong

Rogers won the Jim Thorpe award, not Rolle

[mcarey032]

I think that he can. Look at the san diego game. He had two pickles and he was able to keep mc cardell at bay. I thought that that particular game was his best game to date. He defnitely has the ability to be a #1 corner in my opinion.