POLL: Why Redskins Players playing Scared... ? Caused by Clemons Ruthless Cut?

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

SAT, 19 AUG 2006 -- Pre Season Games #2 -- Jets vs. Redskins

POLL: 3 Choices -- Why are Redskins players playing scared tonite? Is it to avoid injury?

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A: Yes, the Chris Clemons RUTHLESS cut affect the players' psyches.

B: No, the Chris Clemons RUTHLESS cut has no affect of the players' performances on the field.

C: I have another theory. Let me explain it on my post below.

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- What do you all think?
After what had happened with Chris Clemons { who is suffering from injury } being ruthlessly cut by Greggo a few days ago... ...

- We had very poor tacklings from the Special Team players in this Jets game.

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- Are Redskins players playing scared to avoid injury?
Who know the players think "if I get hurt, then they will cut me the next day"?
Just my 2 http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif .

[terpfan]

Can you blame them for not wanting to get hurt in the preseason? Honestly, I dont know that I can, especially the guys who are allreay going to make the team.

[bulldog]

I don't think Clemons would have beaten out Jeff Posey if he had been healthy. The two events, Clemons' injury and the Bills cutting Posey, happened to occur the same week but again I don't think the coaches were confident that Chris had nailed the backup job behind Marcus Washington.

When you consider that Posey can backup at MLB as well, I think that put Clemons as well as potential backup MLBs like Simon and Havner in trouble.

[Monte51Coleman]

They're playing scared?

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

:2cents:
I pick choice (A). Because the Chris Clemons ruthless cut did affect players psyches big time.
Especially, the second line players (FAs) who are not sure if they will make the team.
That's why we have very poor tacklings.

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

lol RUTHLESS

[Califan007]

Playing scared??...

[Tarhog]

You've got a lot of frigging theories, thats my take.

I'd lay off the thread-starting for a bit if I were you.

[RedskinsFanatic]

The team is not playing scared...good Lord.

[TK]

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[Park City Skins]

Question BIGJoeSalave'a. Are you basing this on what you hear, read? or what you see. If the answer is one of the first 2 or both, then the validity of your assumption that this poll is based on is highly questionable. Then I'd recommend TK's answer and maybe some Vailum.

[TK]

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[BIGJoeSalave'a]

Question BIGJoeSalave'a. Are you basing this on what you hear, read? or what you see. ...

I can only hear and read. I don't have the benefit of seeing the game. Based on what I hear the tacklings have been poor and the team got push around at the LoS. My 2 :2cents: .

That's why I have choice (C) on the poll. So other posters can explain the players' poor performances on the field.
Time of Posssesion Diff. Jets vs. Redskins = 33:06 vs. 17:42
Can anyone explain that and discuss the game without resorting to personal attacks?

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

My theory is that there is CO2 leaking into your room right now and it's causing you to be delusional. They gave Clemons an injury severance package that I am sure was more than fair and there is always the possibility of picking him back up after he heals. Why would you lend such importance to the cutting of our 3rd string WLB? Like I ended my last response to you BigJoe: :stfu:







That's my theory.

[Tarhog]

I can only hear and read. I don't have the benefit of seeing the game. Based on what I hear the tacklings have been poor and the team got push around at the LoS. My 2 :2cents: .

That's why I have choice (C) on the poll. So other posters can explain the players' poor performances on the field.
Time of Posssesion Diff. Jets vs. Redskins = 33:06 vs. 17:42
Can anyone explain that and discuss the game without resorting to personal attacks?

Let me clarify something. Its not a personal attack to point out that a member's posts lack logic or make no sense. You start threads, your arguments are fair game. If you don't want to be challenged, don't start threads.

This is a football messageboard. You are welcome here - sincerely. However, you're accountable for what you post. Whether folks find it agreeable or nonsense is up to them.

[Park City Skins]

I can only hear and read. I don't have the benefit of seeing the game. Based on what I hear the tacklings have been poor and the team got push around at the LoS. My 2 :2cents: .

That's why I have choice (C) on the poll. So other posters can explain the players' poor performances on the field.
Time of Posssesion Diff. Jets vs. Redskins = 33:06 vs. 17:42
Can anyone explain that and discuss the game without resorting to personal attacks?
Then my response stands. You are basing your assumption that players are playing scared on what you read, ( Make that some), and heard. No way you can accurately make this assumption without actually seeing things for yourself. And even then that is a bit of a reach since you have to know what your seeing, ( not personal. Most of us don't know entirely what we're seeing), is based on fear or just guys who still need work on things. Seems to me you're a little miffed about Clemons being cut and trying to tie that into some of the play tonight. That's a pretty good reach right there as well.

[zoony]

No need to spend 15 minutes formating your posts with font color/etc.

If you have something to say, it WILL be noticed :cheers:

[DieselPwr44]

After reading some of these threads tonight, I'm suprised that this hasn't been made into an avatar yet:

http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm55091878030380.jpg

['Skins_&_'Stons]

This thread needs to be trashed!

[Painkiller]

and the post pre-season loss hilarity ensues. I'll be laughing at a lot of the posts on this board for the rest of the week. :laugh:

[BlitzFiftySix]

Posey probably wouldn't be here if it werent for Clemens injury.

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

Does anyone watch the coach Gibbs press conference?
Coach Gibbs seems to be seething with boiling anger.

What have caused the whole team to play poorly?
The Jets is a rebuilding team.
The Jets are not world beater by any measurement.
Again, just my 2 :2cents: .

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Posey probably wouldn't be here if it werent for Clemens injury.


Give me a break. Clemons was a "pass-rushing specialist" with 16 tackles and 5 sacks in two years.

Posey has 126 tackles and 4 sacks in those same two years plus heaps more experience.

Anybody that thinks Clemons was tossed to the curb because of an injury is deluding themselves. Williams and company know how good Posey is and they went out and got him. The reason Clemons is gone is because they felt much more comfortable with a guy who is better.


The Clemons cut was anything but "RUTHLESS" as you put it. Instead it was a very wise decision that helps the team.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

Does anyone watch the coach Gibbs press conference?
Coach Gibbs seems to be seething with boiling anger.

What have caused the whole team to play poorly?
The Jets is a rebuilding team.
The Jets are not world beater by any measurement.
Again, just my 2 :2cents: .Are you kidding me? I think you need to have a pow-wow with the Inuits and polar bears so that they can straighten you out. How did the whole team play poorly?

Didn't you say that you can't even watch the game? Are you in your ice fishing shack on lake retard?

Gibbs was angry, but there were plenty of positives from the game. If you would read other posts, you would see comments from people who can watch the games. (Their insight is much more useful than yours)

[Pete]

I'm not sure that the players are playing scared, but if they are, I think Portis whining about the preseason had more to do with it.

[XxSpearheadxX]

RUTHLESS?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I have a feeling that McCune, McIntosh, Posey, Simon and Havner would have something to say about that - I bet they feel they've earned their positions.

Lets not act like Chris wasn't already on the chopping block - because he was.

[Painkiller]

I'm not sure that the players are playing scared, but if they are, I think Portis whining about the preseason had more to do with it.


I agree. I think Portis comments earlier in the week about "meaningless games" MAY have affected the way the players are approaching these games.

One thing I did notice tonight, and I noticed it last week also. No matter how bad things seem to be going, Mark Brunell always seems to have a huge smile on his face. It's a smile that almost reads "I know something you don't!" Anybody else pick up on this?

[The Rook]

:sucks: :whippin:

[Peregrine]

Must we do another stupid thread where we phrase our words so that no matter which choice we pick, we make it sound like there really is something wrong with the Redskins FO/Coaching Staff/Players.

How about actually doing a poll that lets us honestly express our opinions. Unless honesty scares you.

"Ruthless" cut? He was going to be out for almost the whole season, occupying a roster slot for a need position. He was a PRACTICE squad guy that made the team on his ability to rush the passer, sometimes, on third downs. We signed a big name DE, and now have a ton of third down pass rushers. He had not played well at LB when not rushing the passer and had failed to beat out many players fans thought were just, bad(Holdman for instance).

Ruthless? More like, obvious. What had Clemons EVER done to warrant anything?

[FootballGuy2677]

This is so lame. Yes the players don't wanna get hurt. Who wouldn't.

[Hauss]

Ruthless cut???? They reached an injury settlement--this isn't the first time he has been injured.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Unbelievable......They spinnin' @##$% they spinnin'!

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

... You are basing your assumption that players are playing scared on what you read, ( Make that some), and heard. ....


.... Anybody that thinks Clemons was tossed to the curb because of an injury is deluding themselves. Williams and company know how good Posey is and they went out and got him. The reason Clemons is gone is because they felt much more comfortable with a guy who is better.

The Clemons cut was anything but "RUTHLESS" as you put it. Instead it was a very wise decision that helps the team.

Here is the problem.
There are plenty of roster spots (around 93?) at this moment.
Why do you have to cut Clemons the next day after he got injured?
Why not wait for a few weeks before you cut Chris Clemons?

There are plenty other non-critical players who do not have much history with the Redskins. They can be cut first to make a roster spot for Jeff Posey.

- This way if you cut Chris Clemons at 2 weeks later, the move will not be perceived as "RUTHLESS" by the other players who are still on the roster.
Thus, the remaining players can play hard without worrying about getting injuries and then get cut the next day.

Tell me if the above makes sense or not?

The word "RUTHLESS" was used by the Diesel Riggo himself and Bram Weinstein which you can hear every time you tune in to TripleX radio.
What do you say to the Diesel and Weinstein for their choice of word "RUTHLESS"?

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

Playing scared??...

You may not agree, especially when the idea is a controversial one.
Yes, I think some of those players who are on the bubble, they might play scared.
:whoknows:
They were scared of getting injured and then have to be cut the next day, just like Chris Clemons. They may be thinking if someone like Chris Clemons can be cut just like that, then so can they too be cut as ruthlessly.

Keyword = some players who are on the bubble

Btw, if I am not mistaken, I picked up the word "Ruthlessly" from Bram Weinstein and the Diesel Riggo.

[Monte51Coleman]

My theory is that there is CO2 leaking into your room right now and it's causing you to be delusional. They gave Clemons an injury severance package that I am sure was more than fair and there is always the possibility of picking him back up after he heals. Why would you lend such importance to the cutting of our 3rd string WLB? Like I ended my last response to you BigJoe: :stfu:







That's my theory.


Are you kidding me? I think you need to have a pow-wow with the Inuits and polar bears so that they can straighten you out. How did the whole team play poorly?

Didn't you say that you can't even watch the game? Are you in your ice fishing shack on lake retard?

Gibbs was angry, but there were plenty of positives from the game. If you would read other posts, you would see comments from people who can watch the games. (Their insight is much more useful than yours)

It's an interesting style you're developing here Sean. I'm curious, do you interact with strangers in the real world as you are want to here?

Or do you just have something against those from Canada?

A little respect for others here looks in order.

[DOOG]

I think the whole problem that I have is I dont see it as "RUTHLESS". Can someone help me out here? Clemons wasnt the first to be cut for an injury, he got a settlement and I didnt really see anyone bashing him afterwards. What am I missing here? And frankly, if they were "scared" wouldnt they play HARDER? I'm so CoNfUsEd....:rolleyes:

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

It's an interesting style you're developing here Sean. I'm curious, do you interact with strangers in the real world as you are want to here?

Or do you just have something against those from Canada?

A little respect for others here looks in order.I don't interact with strangers. I live in an underground layer with millions of squirrels where I am plotting my eventual takeover of the world, one nut at a time.

As for Candaians, I don't care for them...except for Art(Art is NOT actually from Canada). They are friendly, polite and generally good-natured. That makes me angry. I like miserable, irritable people who yell and curse. Also, I hate people who mispronounce the word "about".

Respect? ...........NEVER!!!

P.S. You should read the totallity of BIGJoes post's to find a general misinterpretation of reality and an often negative spin on otherwise meaningless information.

And don't forget.......:stfu:

[Monte51Coleman]

When did Art become Canadian? Did we give them Minnesota?

[Skinsfan1311]

As for Candaians, I don't care for them...except for Art.

Art's from Candia??

[Park City Skins]

Here is the problem.
There are plenty of roster spots (around 93?) at this moment.
Why do you have to cut Clemons the next day after he got injured?
Why not wait for a few weeks before you cut Chris Clemons?

There are plenty other non-critical players who do not have much history with the Redskins. They can be cut first to make a roster spot for Jeff Posey.

- This way if you cut Chris Clemons at 2 weeks later, the move will not be perceived as "RUTHLESS" by the other players who are still on the roster.
Thus, the remaining players can play hard without worrying about getting injuries and then get cut the next day.

Tell me if the above makes sense or not?

The word "RUTHLESS" was used by the Diesel Riggo himself and Bram Weinstein which you can hear every time you tune in to TripleX radio.
What do you say to the Diesel and Weinstein for their choice of word "RUTHLESS"?
Same thing I say about your use of it Joe. Overdramatic and more than a little overreactionary. They need to get over it as well as you.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

When did Art become Canadian? Did we give them Minnesota?Honestly, I thought he was from Canada because his location says frozen tundra and I thought I had seen another poster mention it. They do talk like Canadians in Minnasoter. I think we should start a thread call Crazy Canuck Central, where all our friends from up north can get together to talk about Jesse Lumsden and ... :whoknows:

[Monte51Coleman]

I think we should start a thread call Crazy Canuck Central, where all our friends from up north can get together to talk about Jesse Lumsden

Brilliant idea! Why don't you start it?

(Don't forget to PM DieHard and let him know, he'll get a real kick out of it. :laugh: )

[willyt]

I agree. I think Portis comments earlier in the week about "meaningless games" MAY have affected the way the players are approaching these games.

One thing I did notice tonight, and I noticed it last week also. No matter how bad things seem to be going, Mark Brunell always seems to have a huge smile on his face. It's a smile that almost reads "I know something you don't!" Anybody else pick up on this?


Yes sir!! I was thinking the same thing and I believe you are correct.. He does know something that we dont know yet..We will find out what it is soon enough and I cant friggin wait!! Great post.:cheers: