Whats The Deal With The Fans and Al Saunders

[RiggoReincarnated]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.

[bubba9497]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.


it's called VANILLA, he hasn't taken away anything yet, wait until the regular season begins

[Burgold]

ditto. It's weird because the moments look so good, but everything is isolated. I would look to see more consistency though.

[RavenzSuck]

ditto. It's weird because the moments look so good, but everything is isolated. I would look to see more consistency though.

I would too but everyone needs to chill out, it is pre-season!! I don't even remember anything about pre-season last year. Just relax, People need to stop getting worked up about some meaningless games

[Buddha]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Perhaps they should consider making preseason tickets available to the general public instead of part of the season ticket package. If 47,000 of the unwashed masses show up for a scrimmage, they would most definitely have a better, more enthusiastic turnout for the actual preseason games.

[Burgold]

I am a little worried that the fifty gut type plays the first two weeks have been consistently getting two yards. That speaks to man on man blocking as well as the rbs. The first teamers aren't providing push and the runnng backs aren't pounding the pile or finding holes.

[REEM10]

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.

I guess you dont live by the motto in your under your AVATAR! ("What, Me worry?")

How long have you been a Skins fan, let alone a NFL fan? I would say not long. The reason why I say this is because when have you ever really seen a team run their REAL OFFENSE IN THE PRESEASON?

Larry Johnson for KC last year was in Al Saunders Offense and SMASHMOUTHED his way to 1,750 yards or what Preist Holmes was doing before him.

So please stop with these posts if you dont know what you are talking about!

[FedExFielder]

Please....for the love of Joe Gibbs....no more Chicken Little threads about the preseason!!! ..pleeeeaaaase!

[demarc007]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.

How can you even question Saunders ability to run an offense considering his track record. Unbelievable.

[RonArtest15]

it's preseason....I seriously get a laugh out of coaches like Mangini and Lewis, who pull every gadget play out of thier book, and try to make the Skins look bad....we all know by this point that Gibbs has a "vanilla" gameplan scheme going in the pre-season...this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone....the number of people who are up in arms over how we are playing so far during the preseason is shocking....where have you all been during the Gibbs regime? At this point, 1st team is trying to make it to 9/11 injury free, that is why you see guys tip-toing around pile-up, trying no to get a knee or ankle twisted....guys on the 2nd team are playing a little harder, trying to win that roster spot that is so coveted....don't worry guys, we will be alright...

[WHALEN]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO. Get a friggen grip please maybe we should open up the whole playbook so we can win meaningless games in fact did you notice all our starters were out of the game early?Playing our starters all game is something we should not get away from, it always brought us success just what is Saunders thinking of and why does Gibbs let him get away with it? Oh yea I know its preseason and were trying to evaluate talent.

[Park City Skins]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.
Yet again, Riggo overreacts and opens up a thread as a result. Yet again, he gets pummled in response. Haven't learned yet have you? You must have a strong streak of narcissism or something in you. As has been stated, way too many times in just 2 preseason game, this is all vanilla stuff you're seeing. Al Saunders said it himself, ( and the guys during pregame even quoted him), this is what you're going to see. Time and again learned members have stated that this is a time when coaches are evaluating individual players, (so that they can figure out all that cutting and stuff). Saunders comes in as one of the top offensive minds in the league with the credentials, ( and stats), to show for it. Buges is top notch. Just watch the line from 2003 and now. Overrated? Hardly.

[Califan007]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.
That's funny, because last preseason the offense was throwing the ball downfield like crazy...yet during the regular season the Skins offense was "power running and smash mouth football". So what that should tell you is that what this team does on offense during the preseason is most definitely NOT a harbinger of what it will be doing when it comes time to actually gameplan for an opponent. They use this time to work on certain elements that they want to test out in "live" games...little more.

[DieselPwr44]

I'm with Riggo but I'll take it a step further.

Razor wire around Redskin Park with armed guards around the dorms to keep the players there.

No more two a days. Four a days!!!

Maybe Snyder can cut a deal with one of the ephedra-diet pills like Xenadrine or Hydroxy cut and get Gibbs and the coaching staff hooked on them so they can work around the clock gameplanning.....No wait!! Get the players hooked on them too!!
Around the clock practices for all!!! We need the extra work to be sharp!!

It's time to buckle down. We need to win every practice,scrimmage, preseason game..everything!! We need wind sprints at the end of practice and if Moss doesn't win everyone of them..well...CUT HIM!! Send a message to the rest of the team: No losing,no matter what the contest, should be tolerated!!

Miss a tackle? Lose a finger. Lost all your fingers on one hand? Your off the team!!

Same with John Hall and the punters. Miss a kick? Lose a toe. Lost all your toes? That's right..OFF THE TEAM!!

We have to send a message to the team that if your lose, it brings serious consequences.

Now...Carry on......................:)

[skinthemboys]

I'm with Riggo but I'll take it a step further.

Miss a tackle? Lose a finger. Lost all your fingers on one hand? Your off the team!

Now...Carry on......................:)

Good one :laugh: :laugh:

[Taylor 36]

If there was ever someone who truly needed to be bitched slapped nice and hard, it is RiggoReincarnated!!!

[TD_washingtonredskins]

Riggo,

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs aren't scheming to win the games? I believe they've even stated that they go into each game planning to work on certain things. I believe (considering our running game was our strength last season) that they are attempting to work on our passing offense during these games. That's why you see Brunell dropping back to pass so often in the first quarter of these games.

Don't worry, we'll run the ball when we're actually trying to have a realistic gameplan.

[Park City Skins]

I'm with Riggo but I'll take it a step further.

Razor wire around Redskin Park with armed guards around the dorms to keep the players there.




Agreed. ;)

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[ArmchairRedskin]

Agreed. ;)

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:laugh:


Classic!

[Potato Sack]

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Last Year in K.C.

Larry Johnson 336 carries 1750 yds 20 Tds

Priest Holmes chipped in 471 yds and 6 Tds


hmmmmm.....something smells like a power running game.


Check your stats before you condemn the man brought here to open up lanes and run the hell out of the ball. ;)

[fansince62]

it's called vanilla.

and by magic it's all going to come together the first game of the season!

we're so good we don't need to test drive the new offense against live compettion!

[DieselPwr44]

it's called vanilla.

we're so good we don't need to test drive the new offense against live compettion!

Finally, someone gets it.:rolleyes:

[Taylor 36]

Agreed. ;)

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That is great, PCS. Awesome!!!!:laugh: :cheers:

[kevinklein]

I don't think the "What, me worry" avatar text even covers it now.

[TK]

Have a cone of vanilla. It'll soothe your nerves.

[DCsportsfan53]

it's called vanilla.

and by magic it's all going to come together the first game of the season!

we're so good we don't need to test drive the new offense against live compettion!


Finally, someone gets it.


I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that was sarcasm, Diesel. As far as RR :laugh: , he's not taking away our power running game. It's just that the passing game is where we need to get the timing down and we need to see what Campbell and these new recievers have. We already know what our line and RBs can do and how they work.

[cyfar]

Damn, I almost kinda feel sorry for Riggo. He's catching hell in this thread. ExtremeSkins is always an interesting place after a loss, even the ones that don't matter.

[DieselPwr44]

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say that was sarcasm, Diesel. .

Why yes, yes it was. I'll go edit to help out the interpretation. ;)

[MEXSKIN1]

Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.

Also, why has Al Saunders taken away what works for us...namely the power running game and smash mouth football. When we did run the ball we were pretty successful, especially with Sellers.

Saunders and Bugel are overrated IMO.

Probably you thought that Spurrier was a very good coach when the Redskins won that preseason game against the 49ers in Japan and kept wining preseason games just to have one terrible season ones the regular season started, "o yea the ol'ball coach is gonna be great" on preseason games. is that what you o would prefer??? :doh:

[bulldog]

the answer to the question 'what's the deal?' is easy:

fickle Skins fans are unhappy Brunell, Moss, Lloyd and ARE haven't been able to exit their first quarter stints in the preseason having the team comfortably ahead 24-0 each week :D

we have very high standards for the preseason. after all under Spurrier we used to win these preseason games very easily using our starters for 3 or 4 quarters :evil:

[Tarhog]

I anxiously await the return of RiggoReincarnated to the thread he started so he can address some of the replies to the questions he posed.

[Park City Skins]

RiggoReincarnated. Please pick up the B & G courtesy phone, ( see you out there).

[docsandy]

Have a cone of vanilla. It'll soothe your nerves.

Love your sig....

It's preseason. It's a vanilla offense. The team is spending training camp getting ready for the Vikings. Gibbs is mad. He's in regular season form already. Good.

On 09/11... if the team looks the same, then I'll panic.

But I don't think I'll be panicking.

[chiplohmillers#1]

Dude PRESEASON!!!!!!! only a moron flashes his playbook this early on. And the Fan's give me a break. The team was sleep walking out there. It was possibly the most un inspired preformance I have seen.

[preskit]

Finally, some one who knows how to laugh at all this garbage. Loosen up kids.
I'm with Riggo but I'll take it a step further.

Razor wire around Redskin Park with armed guards around the dorms to keep the players there.

No more two a days. Four a days!!!

Maybe Snyder can cut a deal with one of the ephedra-diet pills like Xenadrine or Hydroxy cut and get Gibbs and the coaching staff hooked on them so they can work around the clock gameplanning.....No wait!! Get the players hooked on them too!!
Around the clock practices for all!!! We need the extra work to be sharp!!

It's time to buckle down. We need to win every practice,scrimmage, preseason game..everything!! We need wind sprints at the end of practice and if Moss doesn't win everyone of them..well...CUT HIM!! Send a message to the rest of the team: No losing,no matter what the contest, should be tolerated!!

Miss a tackle? Lose a finger. Lost all your fingers on one hand? Your off the team!!

Same with John Hall and the punters. Miss a kick? Lose a toe. Lost all your toes? That's right..OFF THE TEAM!!

We have to send a message to the team that if your lose, it brings serious consequences.

Now...Carry on......................:)

[RiggoReincarnated]

I am a little worried that the fifty gut type plays the first two weeks have been consistently getting two yards. That speaks to man on man blocking as well as the rbs. The first teamers aren't providing push and the runnng backs aren't pounding the pile or finding holes.

If we have all 5 of our starting linemen returning you'd think the line would be even better this year then it was last year.

If Portis can't get 100 yards against every team in the division this year like he did last year during our winning streak, it means the line has regressed and we should look for a new line coach.

[RiggoReincarnated]

Last Year in K.C.

Larry Johnson 336 carries 1750 yds 20 Tds

Priest Holmes chipped in 471 yds and 6 Tds


hmmmmm.....something smells like a power running game.


Check your stats before you condemn the man brought here to open up lanes and run the hell out of the ball. ;)

But we aren't dominating the line of scrimmage on running plays. We are only as good as our offensive line.

[RiggoReincarnated]

Yet again, Riggo overreacts and opens up a thread as a result. Yet again, he gets pummled in response. Haven't learned yet have you? You must have a strong streak of narcissism or something in you. As has been stated, way too many times in just 2 preseason game, this is all vanilla stuff you're seeing. Al Saunders said it himself, ( and the guys during pregame even quoted him), this is what you're going to see. Time and again learned members have stated that this is a time when coaches are evaluating individual players, (so that they can figure out all that cutting and stuff). Saunders comes in as one of the top offensive minds in the league with the credentials, ( and stats), to show for it. Buges is top notch. Just watch the line from 2003 and now. Overrated? Hardly.

If its just vanilla stuff why is the basic timing on running and passing plays off?

If these are basic plays they should be able to excute them. Period.

If Gibbs doesn't have a 2 a day tomorrow for the players I don't think they will learn the lesson.

Nobody has addressed the fact that we had a soft camp, and that's more then likely the reason for this mess.

[RiggoReincarnated]

I guess you dont live by the motto in your under your AVATAR! ("What, Me worry?")

How long have you been a Skins fan, let alone a NFL fan? I would say not long. The reason why I say this is because when have you ever really seen a team run their REAL OFFENSE IN THE PRESEASON?

Larry Johnson for KC last year was in Al Saunders Offense and SMASHMOUTHED his way to 1,750 yards or what Preist Holmes was doing before him.

So please stop with these posts if you dont know what you are talking about!

I've been a Skins fan for about 20 years thank you. When Jansen is getting owned by a no name defensive end then there is reason for concern. When Betts can't get more then 2 yards on a carry theres reason for serious concern. When the defense blitzes and isn't prepared for trick plays theres a reason for concern. When our special teams absolutely stink up the joint there is reason for concern.

[dreamingwolf]

RiggoReincarnated has shown me a new colour of the retard helmet. His strap is tight.

[mcarey032]

PRESEASON...enough said. I can't believe that people are really that down after a preseason loss.The team only won one game last year and people act like we are eliminated from the playoffs without the season starting. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the redskins come out bombing like the did in 91 against the lions and win a by a mile. People need to settle down. Football has been away for a while, but fans out there need to just settle down and take it down a thousand. If the team is starts the regular season terribly, then we need to worry.The coaches will handle whatever it is they need to, that is why they are paid the big bucks.

[RiggoReincarnated]

RiggoReincarnated has shown me a new colour of the retard helmet. His strap is tight.

Your a moron if you resort to insults rather then addressing why you disagree.

[mcarey032]

With the way that the game was structured, it doesn't seem fair to be so critical of the team. I agree the long yardage play was bad, but come on, when the team is solidified, then we will see the intensity and focus you know joe gibbs redskins teams have had in the past.

[Park City Skins]

Didn't really read too carefully what I said did you? It's about evaluating individual players among other things. Timing may be off for a variety of reasons, ( I saw one where Thomas was a little off on his pulling. Gee. Can't imagine why). Getting back into things due to injury rehab, (see previous), new plays, new players, ect. And somebody has addressed the "soft" camp. Joe Gibbs himself did. If you were paying attention you would know this.



If its just vanilla stuff why is the basic timing on running and passing plays off?

If these are basic plays they should be able to excute them. Period.

If Gibbs doesn't have a 2 a day tomorrow for the players I don't think they will learn the lesson.

Nobody has addressed the fact that we had a soft camp, and that's more then likely the reason for this mess.

[PleaseBlitz]

Wow, what a cyber-beatdown. Im glad i kept reading after Bubba provided the correct answer with the 2nd post.

I feel bad, so i'll answer a question from the original post. :laugh:


Why were there so many empty seats at todays game, if the game was sold out? The attendance bordered on pathetic.



All Skins games are sold-out. Preseason games are part of season ticket packages. Landover isnt the easiest place to get to, and some of the less rabid fans arent to fired up about seeing our backups run a vanilla gameplan against the freaking Jets. (On the metro in, my buddies and I tried to name the core players the Jets can build around. We were stumped after 2 :laugh: )

Thankfully, my boss didnt want to go, so i got his seats. 10 yard line, 6 rows from the field. :)

[dreamingwolf]

Your a moron if you resort to insults rather then addressing why you disagree.

that post wasnt for you mr. egotist. Loosen up that strap and you will win the 40 next special olympics, just friendly advice.

[RiggoReincarnated]

Didn't really read too carefully what I said did you? It's about evaluating individual players among other things. Timing may be off for a variety of reasons, ( I saw one where Thomas was a little off on his pulling. Gee. Can't imagine why). Getting back into things due to injury rehab, (see previous), new plays, new players, ect. And somebody has addressed the "soft" camp. Joe Gibbs himself did. If you were paying attention you would know this.

When did Gibbs specifically mention making an error by not having more 2 a days and live hitting?

[RiggoReincarnated]

that post wasnt for you mr. egotist. Loosen up that strap and you will win the 40 next special olympics, just friendly advice.

Then don't say **** about my name unless you want to be confronted about it.

[dreamingwolf]

confront me all you want, I have plenty of tin foil

[RiggoReincarnated]

confront me all you want, I have plenty of tin foil

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[Park City Skins]

When did Gibbs specifically mention making an error by not having more 2 a days and live hitting?
I didn't say he admitted an error, ( There you go again). I said he addressed the issue. He did so in a press conference. I'll leave it to you to find it. If you are indeed the knowledgable, concerned Redskins fan you imply that you are, you would have already done so.


Oh. And children. Knock it off. :doh:

[RiggoReincarnated]

I didn't say he admitted an error, ( There you go again). I said he addressed the issue. He did so in a press conference. I'll leave it to you to find it. If you are indeed the knowledgable, concerned Redskins fan you imply that you are, you would have already done so.


Oh. And children. Knock it off. :doh:

All he said at the press conference was that he was out head-coached and that he was embarrassed at how the team performed at home.

Is he going to correct the mistake and make the players regret playing the way they did on Saturday? That's the question.

[Park City Skins]

All he said at the press conference was that he was out head-coached and that he was embarrassed at how the team performed at home.

Is he going to correct the mistake and make the players regret playing the way they did on Saturday? That's the question.
I'm not going to go back and forth all night with you Riggo. I have better things to do with my time. Now pay attention for once. I didn't say the latest press conference. Now go and find the answer yourself. And if you read the transcript of the latest one, addresses that question as well.

[conkev12]

It was possibly the most un inspired preformance I have seen.

No...that award goes to 36-0 and the ghost of Wellington Mara. :(

[kramit]

OMG people if any of you went to training camp or anything else, there was a ridiculous amount of motion before the plays. the offense was clicking and everything is going to be ok