Jets vs. Redskins reality check game summary and NFL predictions update

[Playoffsorbust2005]

Our first string Defense gave up a TD on a simple reverse play. Then our 1st string offense struggles to move the ball against the 29th ranked run defense of the NFL from last year. I know the Jets didn't make THAT many offseason acquisitions to improve the defense. Ladell Betts averages 2 ypc??? Surprisingly, we did WELL against their ranked 2 pass defense with ARE. But we still didn't get the ball in the endzone or even a FG against the lowly Jets starters. Our Special Teams played atrociously, and even Joe Gibbs himself said we didn't play well, and that he was "Concerned" about our teams performance.

You can spin this anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is, our first unit played more like a 4-12 or 6-10 team than a team that just went to the playoffs. And some want to use the new OC Saunders as an excuse to not gell yet and play poorly? The only difference in the offense is that its more spread out because Saunders using 3 and 4 receiver sets, thus giving us the opportunity to use motion, create mismatches, and help our offense to move the ball more effectively. Naturally, he won't show any of that b/c he's not going to tip his hand about our offense, but even Mark Brunell ADMITTED we should be able to execute base plays. Now I know there will be a LOT of so-called optimists and DREAMERS who still believe we can straighten things out in time to recover for the season opener, but I believe we're HONESTLY looking at a 6-10 team at best. This coming from a DIE-HARD skins fan!

That being said here are my predictions for the 2006 NFL season:

AFC East
New England 11-5
Miami 11-5 (Culpepper will improve this team and rebound this year)
Buffalo 7-9
New York Jets 4-12 (Could be 8-8 though considering the *** whipping they just gave our beloved playoff team of last year).

AFC North
Cincinnati 12-4
Pittsburgh 10-6 (Losing ARE WILL have an effect on this offense).
Baltimore 9-7 (Air McNair will return to form as well to help this teams only weak spot of last year).
Cleveland 7-9

AFC South
Jacksonville 12-4
Indianapolis 11-5 (Domonic Rhodes a replacement for EJ? Hardly).
Tennessee 5-11
Houston 4-12

AFC West
Denver 13-3
Kansas City 11-5 (LJ will continue to carry team even w/o Saunders).
San Diego 7-9 (This team only won 9 games WITH a healthy Drew Brees, Antonio Gates, and LT).
Oakland 6-10 (Don't sleep).

My favorite division NFC East
New York Giants 10-6 (Even with new additions LA and SM, defense is questionable).
Dallas 9-7 (Swiss cheese belongs on sandwiches not O-lines).
Philadelphia 8-8 (Potential team with solid D players, but no WRs)
Washington 6-10 (Looked promising all during offseason and TC, then preseason started and reality set in. Was going to predict 13-3 :doh: )

NFC North
Chicago 9-7 (smoke and mirrors won't help this great D CARRY this team this year).
Minnesota 7-9 (BJ went 7-2 but 5 of those wins against GB, DL, and the BR. 4-12, 5-11 and 6-10 respectively).
Green Bay 6-10
Detroit 4-12

NFC South

Tampa Bay 12-4 (CS will continue to improve under Coach "Chucky" Gruden).
Carolina 10-6
Atlanta 10-6
New Orleans 7-9 (Drew Brees alone will improve this team, who also have Deuce McAllister, JH and DS).

NFC West
Seattle 14-2 (Why not?)
Arizona 8-8 (EJ will give this team the one thing it was lacking, a running game).
San Fransisco 6-10 (will improve even with the losses of AC and BL).
St. Louis 4-12 (Injury plagued or not, this team struggled even when healthy and their best and only good Defensive player AA is with the skins now).
:2cents:

[Killerbo]

Sadly enough, I totally agree with him :(

This sucks for my first post:doh:

[Warhead36]

How the hell can we win 6 games? WE CAN'T SCORE IN PRESEASON!!!!~~$80

0-16. We'll be lucky to get a first down this season. :rolleyes:

[chow184]

buy a bullet and a rent a gun

you know what to do

[Bigredskin77]

On the reverse, ramsey blocked someone in the back thats why they scored.

[Om]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. :)

Year after year after year ... it's always the same.

Before the preseason, those who have watched Joe Gibbs teams closely over the years caution those who haven't, "don't forget---there isn't a coach in football who will frustrate you more in preseason. His teams, quite simply, NEVER look good in these games. They are easily the most vanilla team in the NFL in preseason, and when you see them play you're going to wonder WTF is going on."

And we explain why. Patiently. Thoroughly. Repeatedly.

Then, like clockwork, as predictable as the post-coital Hollywood cigarette ... on the heels of the first game or two of preseason, when the team does precisely what we've said it will do, about a million people go abjectly ape ****.

What's different this year for me, personally, is that for the first time, I'm finding that I don't feel even the slightest bit motivated to try to sedate anybody. Because I've finally realized, no matter what I say or anyone else says, or how often what we say about the preseason in general and Gibbs in particular is proven right, there will always be those either too new to the fray, or who simply enjoy publically fretting too much, to be able to help themselves.

To those of you screaming from the rooftops today and for the rest of preseason (and yes I know you're Skins fans too, and I love you for it--you're just nuts. :) ), which, you should probably know, will be just as frustrating to you as the first part of it has been, please be sure to check back in around midseason, when this team is right in the middle of the playoff race, and remind us all again how worried you were telling us we should have been in August.

Sheesh.

[bulldog]

from the post it may be better for you if you don't follow competitive athletics. you might try a finger-painting class or some yoga. the deep breathing should help you with those moments of angst and doubt that seem to pervade your thoughts :)

[GibbsFactor]

The Redskins will EXPLODE on September 11th, 2006. I for one have no worries!

The glass is still being poured!

[H-O-G]

Pre-season IS NOT FOR SCORING! Coaches run vanilla plays to EVALUATE the players trying to make the team! GOD, shut the heck up with this bull crap of going 6-10. Dont talk about how bad we will do until week 10

[Sebowski]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. :)

Year after year after year ... it's always the same.

Before the preseason, those who have watched Joe Gibbs teams closely over the years caution those who haven't, "don't forget---there isn't a coach in football who will frustrate you more in preseason. His teams, quite simply, NEVER look good in these games. They are easily the most vanilla team in the NFL in preseason, and when you see them play you're going to wonder WTF is going on."

And we explain why. Patiently. Thoroughly. Repeatedly.

Then, like clockwork, as predictable as the post-coital Hollywood cigarette ... on the heels of the first game or two of preseason, when the team does precisely what we've said it will do, about a million people go abjectly ape ****.

What's different this year for me, personally, is that for the first time, I'm finding that I don't feel even the slightest bit motivated to try to sedate anybody. Because I've finally realized, no matter what I say or anyone else says, or how often what we say about the preseason in general and Gibbs in particular is proven right, there will always be those either too new to the fray, or who simply enjoy publically fretting too much, to be able to help themselves.

To those of you screaming from the rooftops today and for the rest of preseason (and yes I know you're Skins fans too, and I love you for it--you're just nuts. :) ), which, you should probably know, will be just as frustrating to you as the first part of it has been, please be sure to check back in around midseason, when this team is right in the middle of the playoff race, and remind us all again how worried you were telling us we should have been in August.

Sheesh.


I had the same realization this offseason. Those fans can be as annoying as the media.

It's just preseason.

[cyfar]

Does this mean that the sky really is falling? In a word.....No. The fact that the jets and last week Cincy are using reverses and flea flickers in the preseason to score on our D are laughable. As for the O, when they moved the ball well when they've needed to, especially when you consider that they are running the type of O that they are.

[909997]

i guess KC is going 0-16 because their first team offense cant even get a first down

and their first team defense is worse then their backups

steelers are 0-2 in preseason i guess they are gonna be 0-16 too huh

i guess Houston and Oakland are def locks for afc championship because they are the only undefeated teams in afc

and they will probably face ether undefeated giants or 49ers right?

[skinthemboys]

6-10 :laugh: :laugh: C'mon man. You really think this preseason is what to expect for the regular season? As stated above, check back in mid-season. I cant ever remember people getting this worked up over preseason :laugh:

edited for piss-poor spelling.

[jempet]

Some on this board cry worse than my kids. It's preseason. Relax. Stop fretting over every little thing that happens. I mean, jeez, are you MEN or little whinning girls? If you have a bad night at work, does your boss fire you? Do you quit and give up? No, you continue on. See where I'm going with this?

[chaught76]

I am not Jets fan, but they suffered a lot of injuries last year. Don't forget, two years ago they were a playoff team.

JG will get things straightened up and ready for the regular season.

[GOSKN5]

I wish everyone would just realize that Ok our First team D did give up a touch down... ok we didnt move the ball.... lets remember how long they played though, sometimes it takes a little while to get into a groove... they havent played together as a unit for more than one quarter....

plus we didnt use anything on offense.. no motion... no special packages... everything was basic....

Dont get me wrong i saw a few things i didnt like last night, and I am 100 percent sure that the coaches saw this as well and will address it.... but i also some some promising things as well... lets wait till we start the season to panic... give the first team a whole game together... let them mesh some...

[SittingBull]

Dr. Z? Is that you? How about throwing Monk a bone this year huh?

[Killerbo]

Oh yeah spin baby, spin .......our 1st team Off can't execute simple vanilla plays effectivelly, but hey its the off-season right...spin it baby........ohhh yeahhh.:peaceout:

[Mooka]

Now I know there will be a LOT of so-called optimists and DREAMERS who still believe we can straighten things out in time to recover for the season opener, but I believe we're HONESTLY looking at a 6-10 team at best. This coming from a DIE-HARD skins fan! :doh:
Based on 2 pre-season games? Reality check time...

[BigRay]

I tell you some people just do not get it:doh:. Listen to some of these old timers :laugh: including myself that has actually followed Gibbs' teams long before many of you came along. This is nothing new they always look bad in pre-season even in their superbowl years they gave you no indication of what the team is actually going to look like.


To even predict what this teams record is going to be after two pre-season games is just silly. I imagine Gibbs is pissed off because of the showing they had last night. But he does know what type of team he has and it will show up when the Vikings come rolling in to town. Looking good in pre-season means nothing let's take a look at the Packers they gave the Falcons a serious beatdown. I do not believe the Packers will be any good this season the Falcons is a better team .


You wouldn't have known it by the way they played but I would put my savings on at the end of the year the Falcons will finish with a much better record than the Packers.


Again do not read too much in to what's goin on in the pre-season again it is what it is pre-season nothing more , nothing less.

[ProBowler]

:paranoid: I think saying were going 6-10 is going way overboard but I can honestly see us struggling a little bit early in the regular season.

[Om]

Oh yeah spin baby, spin .......our 1st team Off can't execute simple vanilla plays effectivelly, but hey its the off-season right...spin it baby........ohhh yeahhh.:peaceout:

You're a fan of what team, again?

[jukinjim]

Preseason games serve a few purposes.

1. For the Revenue... ( TV, parking, tickets, concessions, etc....)

2. For the Coaches... ( to evaluate the team )

3. For the scrubs... (to impress the coaches.)

4. For Sportswriters... ( so they have something to talk about )

5. To get the team ready for the regular season. It's not to convince the sportswriters, the fans, the groundscrew, the parking lot attendants, my grandmother, or anyone other than the players but moreso the coaches of what else needs to be done prior to opening day.

It's NOT about winning,
it's not about looking pretty,
it's not about scoring,
it's not alot of things...

If we go 4-0, or 2-2, or 0-4 in preseason... it does NOT matter.

What matters is what we do on opening day.

Yeah, I was more psyched two weeks ago, but atm, it's more about waiting for game 3 of the preseason, but mostly about waiting for 11Sept, monday night with the Vikings. That's the first day that it all matters.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

i guess KC is going 0-16 because their first team offense cant even get a first down

and their first team defense is worse then their backups

steelers are 0-2 in preseason i guess they are gonna be 0-16 too huh

i guess Houston and Oakland are def locks for afc championship because they are the only undefeated teams in afc

and they will probably face ether undefeated giants or 49ers right?

Hold on now. I NEVER said that those teams would be winless. I still believe that Houston and Oakland will be bad teams this year. But I'm talking about FIRST string doing bad. I hope I am wrong honestly. But the truth remains, its never inspiring to a team when they play poorly in the preseason, especially the first string. I hope we still do get into the playoffs, but how can you not be worried? I'd be more at ease if it was the scrubs who were struggling. It doesn't make sense to struggle with basic play execution and not make it near the endzone. But I hope you're right. After all, its just preseason right? Hopefully next weeks dress rehearsal game against NE will prove as a foundation to let us know truly where we stand on offense and defense.
:2cents:

[Sellersfan]

12-4 record is what I see for our skins this season. Even after watching 2 pre season games I stand by that statement.

Funny to see everyone predicting doom and gloom. What do you want? A score 56-3 in a meaningless game? Would you risk pre season injuries to potential starters just to humiliate another team?

Don't get me wrong, I would have liked the Skins to unleash havoc too, but the risks are just not worth it. Look at what happened to Portis, would you want that to happen to Moss, ARE, or Brunell in a game which means nothing?

Look at the fourth quarters last year when we were resting CP. Same reasons as a pre season game, NOT TO RISK INJURIES!

Only a sadist would want potential players to risk it all in a preseason game.

Do you think Gibbs would want to see a player like Lumsden or Espy ruin his future for nothing.

Give it a rest, and learn the game!

[Painkiller]

YES! YES!! TO OM YOU LISTEN!http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bgard2319/Yoda.jpg

[Peregrine]

lol those are quite possibly worse predictions than Peter King. And he is usually completely off the mark. Congrats on that lol.

[Killerbo]

You're a fan of what team, again?

Look whatever, the team looked awful and that's it. They looked awful in preseason, let's just say it as we see it. It's all about executing and moving the ball efficiently......something we haven't done yet. Till then I aint buying the excuses, SB talk you name it.


The SPIN stops HERE:dallasuck

[skinthemboys]

I hope this thread is bumped around week 8.

[bulldog]

the author of this thread is obviously someone who has not seen many teams he has followed win anything of note.

how about doing some needlepoint when watching the games to reduce your stress levels? :laugh:

[Om]

Look whatever, the team looked awful and that's it. They looked awful in preseason, let's just say it as we see it. It's all about executing and moving the ball efficiently......something we haven't done yet. Till then I aint buying the excuses, SB talk you name it.


The SPIN stops HERE:dallasuck

Only one spinning anything is you, brother.

You're saying they are "looking awful" because what you're apparently looking for is not what the coaches are looking for or working on. That's a faily simple concept which I trust you can understand, even on the day after a loss in preseason.

You're saying "it's all about executing and moving the ball efficiently" is a bromide. One the one hand, it's a "well, duh," kind of statement. On the other hand, it's pretty much completely meaningless in the context of a glorified scrimmage where what the team is actually working on and stressing in any given series has nothing to do with what you sitting at home in front of your TV want it to look like. And further it utterly fails to grasp the basics of what preseason football is actually like in the NFL, where different teams are working on vastly different agendas, which probably dictates the outcomes of these games and the "flow" of these games more than any single other thing.

None of the stuff those of us trying to keep you ledge-jumpers alive for another week are doing is making "excuses." We're doing is our level best to be heard above the din of the wailers and keeners. That would be you. :)

Still, knowing nothing I or anyone else can say will make a bit of difference when the "OMG! WTF?" crowd are at full throat as they clearly are today ... I hereby retire to the veranda to sip a cool lemonade and watch the show.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

the author of this thread is obviously someone who has not seen many teams he has followed win anything of note.

how about doing some needlepoint when watching the games to reduce your stress levels? :laugh:

I'm simply saying that I DO follow football. I happen to believe my NFL predictions make sense. And my point was that even JG and Mark Brunell admitted that there was a lack of execution on simple VANILLA plays. JG seemed PISSED and this is a HOF coach who doesn't easily get pissed about anything. He is CONCERNED as anyone else SHOULD be.

I wonder what Bubba would say about this? :cool:

[Skins81]

Are skins fans really this retarded, making final standing predictions on 2 preseason games. Our starting Offense has had 5 drives.....are you that dumb, I mean cmon. By the way did you even notice that are backup D backs were in during that reverse...wake up!

[Killerbo]

I'm simply saying that I DO follow football. I happen to believe my NFL predictions make sense. And my point was that even JG and Mark Brunell admitted that there was a lack of execution on simple VANILLA plays. JG seemed PISSED and this is a HOF coach who doesn't easily get pissed about anything. He is CONCERNED as anyone else SHOULD be.

I wonder what Bubba would say about this? :cool:


I agree with this post, read it OM and help STOP the spin.



:yawnee:

[Hooper]

I would be worried... if I didn't know the history of Al Saunders offenses in preseason and Joe Gibbs teams in preseason.

And am I the only person who remembers how inept the Steelers FIRST-TEAM looked in preseason last year? Our second-team offense ran the ball down the throat of their first team defense and their first-team offense could barely produce a first down, much less points throughout preseason. And they ended up winning the super bowl.

That said, we've got a lot to work to do no doubt. But 6-10? Wow. Step off the ledge and take a deep breath.

[Om]

Watching your first Gibbs preseason, are you, Killerbo?

Welcome to the board man. You're late, but glad you finally made it. Settle in and be sure to look me up again in, say, 10 weeks. Then we'll talk about "spin" again. Deal?

[chrisc0015]

After successful seasons, losing a few meaningless games is good for motivation. 'Last year buys you nothing.' Lacking preseason success will prove that the phrase is more than just words.

[Skins81]

I would be worried... if I didn't know the history of Al Saunders offenses in preseason and Joe Gibbs teams in preseason.

And am I the only person who remembers how inept the Steelers FIRST-TEAM looked in preseason last year? Our second-team offense ran the ball down the throat of their first team defense and their first-team offense could barely produce a first down, much less points throughout preseason. And they ended up winning the super bowl.

That said, we've got a lot to work to do no doubt. But 6-10? Wow. Step off the ledge and take a deep breath.


I wouldnt be worried or excited about anything in Preseason. Some coaches game plan and some dont. Some players look great then when it counts look terrible and vice-versa.....it only serves to allow me to drink some beer on Sat night.

I stiil just cant phantom making predictions on preseason games!

[flashback]

I'm watching on NFL Network right now, and this is the first time I've actually the Redskins broadcasters in the booth. And I'm starting to understand how the homerism among Redskins fans has gotten so out of control. If the Jets gain 5 yards, its "nothing there", if the Redskins gain 5 yards, its "a nice cutback".

Kudos on the cheerleaders, though. Very nice. :cheers:

[Skins81]

I'm watching on NFL Network right now, and this is the first time I've actually the Redskins broadcasters in the booth. And I'm starting to understand how the homerism among Redskins fans has gotten so out of control. If the Jets gain 5 yards, its "nothing there", if the Redskins gain 5 yards, its "a nice cutback".

Kudos on the cheerleaders, though. Very nice. :cheers:


Yea JAWS homer calls last week quote" Basket will be the story of the NFL" and Quote" Howard will be the best FA pickup in the NFL" Geee

[Killerbo]

Watching your first Gibbs preseason, are you, Killerbo?

Welcome to the board man. You're late, but glad you finally made it. Settle in and be sure to look me up again in, say, 10 weeks. Then we'll talk about "spin" again. Deal?



Uhmmm.........No, not my first Gibbs preaseason game. I joined this board just because I was bored. Always being reading this board. So easy there old man, I love the skins too, but I am a little bit worried about the performance of the first team Offense, that's all. well on to Week 3 against the Patriots.

:cheers:

[MPASkinsFan]

yeah im with you i have a bailey and coles jersey.

I forget what year it was-you can look it up, but the 'Skins went 0-4 in the preseason, under Joe Gibbs, and won the Super Bowl.

[bigredone]

I think we were 1 and 3 last year in pre season and look what happened?

[wbar3383]

Rofl

People who predict the season based on pre-season...........

Rofl

[bigernmccracken]

You just don't understand the way preseason works- it's you, not the team.

[Henry]

From the recap on cbs.sportline.com of the Steelers loss to Arizona:


So far the Steelers are playing much like they were a year ago, when their starters didn't score a touchdown on offense in the preseason before going on to win the franchise's first Super Bowl in 26 years. So much for the importance of exhibition play; Roethlisberger had thrown only one other preseason TD pass in three years before doing so Saturday.

I know I often say I hate the offseason, but honestly, I'm starting to hate the pre-season more.

[bigernmccracken]

I'm watching on NFL Network right now, and this is the first time I've actually the Redskins broadcasters in the booth. And I'm starting to understand how the homerism among Redskins fans has gotten so out of control. If the Jets gain 5 yards, its "nothing there", if the Redskins gain 5 yards, its "a nice cutback".

Kudos on the cheerleaders, though. Very nice. :cheers:

No one's a chearleeder- you just don't know enogh about football to understand what you are seeing and why. Sorry- it's the truth- you are weak.

[bigernmccracken]

There are alot of casual fans on this board...

[DiscoBob]

I've kinda wondered if JG kinda wanted this to happen so the team didn't walk into the regular season thinking that they were going to be handed everything. I'm not saying they tanked on purpose, but I know that Joe doesn't like it when everyone thinks they are the favored team.....

[actorguy1]

JG seemed PISSED and this is a HOF coach who doesn't easily get pissed about anything. He is CONCERNED as anyone else SHOULD be.



JG NEVER gets pissed or concerned about the team's performance. He never goes out of his way to say how dangerous the other team is. :rolleyes: Are you kidding me?!!?.

JG has made a carrer out of bemoaning his team's fate. I for one am saving my judgement till the regular season. Hell, I'll admit it, I was ready to right them off after 5-6 last year, but I just could'nt stay away. I had to go to the Cardinals-Redskins game last year.

To say you can predict a whole year based on Pre-season, when It's hard enough to predict at mid-season. Give me a freakin break :shutup: :shutup: :helmet:

[Joe Gibbs II]

The Redskins will EXPLODE on September 11th, 2006. I for one have no worries!

The glass is still being poured!


Although i agree with you.. i dont think its best to use the word "explode" so closely to the words, September 11th.

[barens2]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. :)

Year after year after year ... it's always the same.

Before the preseason, those who have watched Joe Gibbs teams closely over the years caution those who haven't, "don't forget---there isn't a coach in football who will frustrate you more in preseason. His teams, quite simply, NEVER look good in these games. They are easily the most vanilla team in the NFL in preseason, and when you see them play you're going to wonder WTF is going on."

And we explain why. Patiently. Thoroughly. Repeatedly.

Then, like clockwork, as predictable as the post-coital Hollywood cigarette ... on the heels of the first game or two of preseason, when the team does precisely what we've said it will do, about a million people go abjectly ape ****.

What's different this year for me, personally, is that for the first time, I'm finding that I don't feel even the slightest bit motivated to try to sedate anybody. Because I've finally realized, no matter what I say or anyone else says, or how often what we say about the preseason in general and Gibbs in particular is proven right, there will always be those either too new to the fray, or who simply enjoy publically fretting too much, to be able to help themselves.

To those of you screaming from the rooftops today and for the rest of preseason (and yes I know you're Skins fans too, and I love you for it--you're just nuts. :) ), which, you should probably know, will be just as frustrating to you as the first part of it has been, please be sure to check back in around midseason, when this team is right in the middle of the playoff race, and remind us all again how worried you were telling us we should have been in August.

Sheesh.

Well, the offense might have been vanilla, but I saw a lot of blitzing from the defense in the last 2 weeks.

Simply put, I think there are injuries that pretty much cripple every team, and for the Redskins, it's Portis. And thankfully for the Redskins, he should be back by the beginning of the season. His presence, IMO, is key for either Mark Brunell or Jason Campbell, and it makes your offense much more dangerous.

[Om]

Uhmmm.........No, not my first Gibbs preaseason game. I joined this board just because I was bored. Always being reading this board. So easy there old man, I love the skins too, but I am a little bit worried about the performance of the first team Offense, that's all. well on to Week 3 against the Patriots.

:cheers:

As to the bolded part, I didnt say "first Gibbs preseason game." I said "first Gibbs preseason." Considering the actual point lies in understanding the flow OF Gibbs preseasons over time, it's a fairly important distinction. But, since you only joined the board because you were bored, I suppose this kind of intellectual investment in the topic is beneath you, so I'll not waste either of our time further and let it go.

As to the rest of your post, sonny, I'll just say that if you'd simply come on and said that in the first place, you never would have crossed my radar in the first place and we'd not have met and become such fast friends.

So the afternoon's not been a total loss.

[bigernmccracken]

It's just so funny how many self described "Die Hard" fans don't know a thing about this game!
If this preseason has made you change what you thought about this team, then you are not knowledgeable enough about the game to make that type of judgement.
Why is it always those with the least knowledge that have the biggest voices?

[Om]

Well, the offense might have been vanilla, but I saw a lot of blitzing from the defense in the last 2 weaks.

Simply put, I think there are injuries that pretty much cripple every team, and for the Redskins, it's Portis. And thankfully for the Redskins, he should be back by the beginning of the season. His presence, IMO, is key for either Mark Brunell or Jason Campbell, and it makes your offense much more dangerous.

Yup, Gregg Williams has dialed up some blitzes, all right. I suspect some of the ones we've seen from the first unit might even be ones we'll see again sometime when it counts. More importantly though ... have you noticed how those bliztes have fared in the first few series each game, when "the starters" for both teams are on the field?

I have. :)

As to Portis being out, should he end up missing any real length of time, of course it would hurt. But "cripple?" Come on ... you've followed Gibbs, right? And Saunders? They're actually kinda not sucky at producing ground yardage. And Ladell Betts ... how many many carries did he actually get last night? And how orchestrated/schemed was the offensive approach to set him up?

Just sayin.' Losing Portis, if we did, won't help, no. But even if the WORST came to pass and he missed the year, I'd not throw dirt on this team just yet.

[Killerbo]

As to the bolded part, I didnt say "first Gibbs preseason game. I said "first Gibbs preseason." Considering the actual point lies in understanding the flow OF Gibbs preseasons over time, it's a fairly important distinction. But, since you only joined the board because you were bored, I suppose this kind of intellectual investment in the topic is beneath you, so I'll not waste either or out time further and let it go.

As to the rest of your post, sonny, I'll just say that if you'd simply come on and said that in the first place, you never would have crossed my radar in the first place and we'd not have met and become such fast friends.

So the afternoon's not been a total loss.


Whatever guy, if you were trying to insult me, shame on you . If not fine with me. i think this team has good players and such but all you guys playing the company line...that preseason is for evaluating talent alone are right in one way. but at the same time its to see how the team performs on basic plays as well. First team D looks good, first team O has a ways to go before they get in synch.:2cents:

[Om]

Whatever guy, if you were trying to insult me, shame on you . If not fine with me. i think this team has good players and such but all you guys playing the company line...that preseason is for evaluating talent are right in one way. but at the same time its to see how the team performs on basic plays as well. First team D looks good, first team O has a ways to go.:2cents:

If I had been trying to insult you, guy, you wouldn't have any doubt about it.

And since you're apparently unable to move past the "all you guys playing the company line", and "nice spin" line of thinking and see beneath the surface even a little here about Gibbs and preseason and fan overreaction to the two, maybe it's best for both of us if we cruise opposite sides of the street for a while.

I'll be over on the side where the sun's shining. :)

When and if you feel like it or maybe you're bored enough again, and you feel like joining me and the rest of the "company line" guys over there later this season when this preseason foolishness is but a memory and our team is neck-deep in the playoff hunt, feel free to come on over.

[Killerbo]

If I had been trying to insult you, guy, you wouldn't have any doubt about it.

And since you're apparently unable to move past the "all you guys playing the company line", and "nice spin" line of thinking and see beneath the surface even a little here about Gibbs and preseason and fan overreaction to the two, maybe it's best for both of us if we cruise opposite sides of the street for a while.

I'll be over on the side where the sun's shining. :)

When and if you feel like it or maybe you're bored enough again, and you feel like joining me and the rest of the "company line" guys over there later this season when this preseason foolishness is but a memory and our team is neck-deep in the playoff hunt, feel free to come on over.

Hey, the sun shines on my side too :silly:

I should be moving to Fort Meade, Md in about 4 months....maybe I will catch the Skins playoff games? Who knows?

[barens2]

Yup, Gregg Williams has dialed up some blitzes, all right. I suspect some of the ones we've seen from the first unit might even be ones we'll see again sometime when it counts. More importantly though ... have you noticed how those bliztes have fared in the first few series each game, when "the starters" for both teams are on the field?

I have. :)

As to Portis being out, should he end up missing any real length of time, of course it would hurt. But "cripple?" Come on ... you've followed Gibbs, right? And Saunders? They're actually kinda not sucky at producing ground yardage. And Ladell Betts ... how many many carries did he actually get last night? And how orchestrated/schemed was the offensive approach to set him up?

Just sayin.' Losing Portis, if we did, won't help, no. But even if the WORST came to pass and he missed the year, I'd not throw dirt on this team just yet.

Yeah, I have noticed a fair amount of blitzing from the starters, and they've faired very well, maybe too well for my liking. That's why I think you guys can afford to lose Shaun Springs...he's a great player, but I think Gregg Williams can be very successful replacing him if need be.

But Portis brings a heck of a lot more value to the table than Betts or Cartwright. His presences keeps defenses honest, and even though the Skins have increased their talent at the WR position, it's easier to defend when you don't have to worry about Portis. And I especially think that for Brunell or Campbell to be efficient, they're going to need a productive running game.

No offense to Gibbs, he's one of the best, but bringing in a new offensive coordinator while losing one of your best players is a big setback.

But, it's probably all for not since he'll probably be back soon.

[TaylorPickSix]

yeah you are totally right man. we should just not even watch any of our games once regular season starts. :doh:

[Killerbo]

:laugh: :doh: Men, I love this board already ........ a lot of crazy peeps here:laugh:

[HailToTheRedskins!]

Washington 6-10 (Looked promising all during offseason and TC, then preseason started and reality set in. Was going to predict 13-3 :doh: )

You're serious?! 13-3 down to 6-10 because of the 1st two preseason games?! That's quite a jump. Before the preseason started I predicted another 10-6 season and I'm sticking with that. I think they're improved from last season but they have a very tough schedule in my opinion. 10-6 and probably the division. Not holding my breath on a 1st round bye. I'll be disappointed if they don't make the Super Bowl but I predict they'll only be good enough to make it to the NFC Championship game and will lose to Carolina. :pint:

[Playoffsorbust2005]

I think we were 1 and 3 last year in pre season and look what happened?

But the key to it was that we won the dress rehearsal game. Aka: Game 3 in preseason. To me, that's usually the make or break game in preseason for the starters. They get played almost 3 quarters in the dress rehearsal game. And its against the Patriots. I'm worried given the fact that our starting O and D aren't looking good right now. I was impressed however with the way the D looked against Cincy though. Hey I'm all for going 0-4 in the preseason if it translates to a Super Bowl win. I'm just hoping that the rough preseason doesn't translate into a slow start for the regular season. Remember that LOSING is just as contagious as WINNING.
:2cents:

[Playoffsorbust2005]

It's just so funny how many self described "Die Hard" fans don't know a thing about this game!
If this preseason has made you change what you thought about this team, then you are not knowledgeable enough about the game to make that type of judgement.
Why is it always those with the least knowledge that have the biggest voices?

What in the world are you babbling about? How could you NOT be concerned that our team did poorly? If it was the scrubs blowing the game for us, I could put my mind at ease a bit more. But it's base VANILLA plays, and we can't even execute that? We only have 2 more PRACTICE games to get ready for the regular season. Even Mark Brunell was quoted saying it was a "lack of execution" on offense. Did the Jets not have the 31st ranked offense last season? And did they NOT have the 29th ranked rush defense? So Betts DIDN'T get 2 ypc? I'm not KNOWLEDGABLE?? And you are? What game were you watching pal?
:laugh: :applause: :2cents:

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Your judging us based on our preseason games. 6-10 huh, ill remember that till the end of the season.

[jleopiper]

I've said it once, I'll say it again. :)

Year after year after year ... it's always the same.

Before the preseason, those who have watched Joe Gibbs teams closely over the years caution those who haven't, "don't forget---there isn't a coach in football who will frustrate you more in preseason. His teams, quite simply, NEVER look good in these games. They are easily the most vanilla team in the NFL in preseason, and when you see them play you're going to wonder WTF is going on."

And we explain why. Patiently. Thoroughly. Repeatedly.

Then, like clockwork, as predictable as the post-coital Hollywood cigarette ... on the heels of the first game or two of preseason, when the team does precisely what we've said it will do, about a million people go abjectly ape ****.

What's different this year for me, personally, is that for the first time, I'm finding that I don't feel even the slightest bit motivated to try to sedate anybody. Because I've finally realized, no matter what I say or anyone else says, or how often what we say about the preseason in general and Gibbs in particular is proven right, there will always be those either too new to the fray, or who simply enjoy publically fretting too much, to be able to help themselves.

To those of you screaming from the rooftops today and for the rest of preseason (and yes I know you're Skins fans too, and I love you for it--you're just nuts. :) ), which, you should probably know, will be just as frustrating to you as the first part of it has been, please be sure to check back in around midseason, when this team is right in the middle of the playoff race, and remind us all again how worried you were telling us we should have been in August.

Sheesh.


:applause: I love your post for this reason. You speak the truth. It seems to me the worse a Gibbs team does in the pre-season, the better we do during the year. By game two of the regular season last year, people were predicting Gibbs would retire, then what...

The propensity of the average Skins fan to fall into panic is laughable to me. Pre-season means nothing, barring the injuries, but nothing on a Jansonian scale has happened so far, so keep your fingers crossed that we get out of it without a tragedy of that level.

Everybody is free to worship this team as they please, for me I will stay positive, because footbal should be fun, not an ulcer inducing worry fest.

[HailToTheRedskins!]

footbal should be fun, not an ulcer inducing worry fest.

Who told you that?! Are you trying to say that this sharp pain in my stomach isn't necessary? :yikes:

[mtyquinn]

The issue is not winning preseason games, because you can wind up losing when your opponents 3rd-4th teamers are playing against yours. The issue is that we looked bad, overthrown balls, porous defense and lousy special teams. I don't expect us to win but I do expect us to play with poise and be able to execute basic plays.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

The issue is not winning preseason games, because you can wind up losing when your opponents 3rd-4th teamers are playing against yours. The issue is that we looked bad, overthrown balls, porous defense and lousy special teams. I don't expect us to win but I do expect us to play with poise and be able to execute basic plays.

:applause: :applause: Thank you!! Praise the lord!! Now you see what I'm talking about. I expect our first string guys to at least EXECUTE well. I'm not worried about winning in Preseason. I am however, worried when our first string plays as bad as they do. Hey, I would love for my 13-3 prediction to hold up. But I seriously believe that we're not playing up to our talent level. Plain and simple.
:2cents:

[bulldog]

well, we have lived through the Jesse Lumsden is 'God' period on the board. And we have lived through the 'Clinton Portis is done and we are going down the tubes' rants last week.

only to be expected that one end around for a score would have folks bemoaning the deconstruction of the defense the next week :laugh:

[Playoffsorbust2005]

Your judging us based on our preseason games. 6-10 huh, ill remember that till the end of the season.

I'm not ruling out that 13-3 could be a possibility. But right now.....a doctor's diagnosis would say "Not good". Our starting O and D better look good in the Pats game. That's the dress rehearsal game. Gotta find something positive to stand on. My positive is that when the season opener comes around we'll at least have CP carrying the ball again. :2cents:

[bigernmccracken]

What in the world are you babbling about? How could you NOT be concerned that our team did poorly? If it was the scrubs blowing the game for us, I could put my mind at ease a bit more. But it's base VANILLA plays, and we can't even execute that? We only have 2 more PRACTICE games to get ready for the regular season. Even Mark Brunell was quoted saying it was a "lack of execution" on offense. Did the Jets not have the 31st ranked offense last season? And did they NOT have the 29th ranked rush defense? So Betts DIDN'T get 2 ypc? I'm not KNOWLEDGABLE?? And you are? What game were you watching pal?
:laugh: :applause: :2cents:

I'm babbling about the fact that you are an idiot.
It was the scrubs who blew the game for us.
The starting Offense completed a couple of nice 20 yard or so passes and missed a couple, stalling drives that cosisted of these types of plays. We were playing to our weakness, not our strengths. (this is what practice is all about) We are a running team- you should not expect to go from a 22nd ranked passing game (last year) to number one in the preseason. We were running 20 yard passing plays, not Vanilla, with the first team. You should not expect the passing game to be number one at any point seeing as how we are a running team. We are not running screens, passes in the flat, or spread runs.
As to Betts, how many carries did he have? 3 carries for 9 yards- you are going to judge an eigth ranked (last year) run Offense based on three carries by our backub RB? You can't comprehend how this is really, really, really stupid?
The starting defense shut down 2 of the three Jets drives on 3 and outs? Some of the backups were already in by the time the Jets scored on that pathetic reverse? I don't think we should be overly concerned about the defense we will field this season. (also note our defense is more our strength, rather than O)
Mark saying "lack of execution"? C'mon man, what is he supposed to say? They have a script. Is he supposed to say that if the first teams had stayed in, they would have destroyed the Jets? That it's just that our backup players suck? (they have not looked good in preseason at all, I will say that)
Basically, the starting players were in for a period of time so short, no one is able to make a good judgement as to the performance- this is what I mean about being knowledgable as to how preseason works.
We were watching the same game- I think you are just looking a little too deeply into it. As you say, there are 2 more practice games- I would expect us to continue practicing our intermmediate passing game- this is what we need the most practice doing. We will not see our actual offense until the games start meaning something.

[RoughRider]

Obviously anyone picking the Colts second to the Jags in the AFC south hasn't seen either team play yet this year. The Jags WILL be 0-4 to start the season, and at the very best 3-1. I'm wondering if the thread's author is picking the Skins to win the game against the Jags in week 4? How could you not?

[Streater101]

well, we have lived through the Jesse Lumsden is 'God' period on the board. And we have lived through the 'Clinton Portis is done and we are going down the tubes' rants last week.

only to be expected that one end around for a score would have folks bemoaning the deconstruction of the defense the next week :laugh:
You didn't know, I mean, look at what he did in training camp? LOL, but seriously, I guess if we we went 4-0, and our first team O and D just clobbered everyone elses then we could all just save oursleves the trouble of watching the regular season and just tune in by January.

I'll admit that I'm a "doom and gloom" guy myself, but not even I am too concerned or wavered from what I've seen thus far. Redskins fans fickleness is rivaled only by pop fans. and to be honest, thats natural considering how much we all love our franchise, but sometimes(alot lately) our fans' enthusiasm/fustration can be a wee bit misplaced.

[Enter Apotheosis]

I'm not ruling out that 13-3 could be a possibility. But right now.....a doctor's diagnosis would say "Not good". Our starting O and D better look good in the Pats game. That's the dress rehearsal game. Gotta find something positive to stand on. My positive is that when the season opener comes around we'll at least have CP carrying the ball again. :2cents:

Just to give you a little dose of reality, here... I don't believe our offense has motioned ONCE this preseason. Saunders is now for completely changing the look of his plays at the line of scrimmage to throw off opposing teams but our preseason offense is so vanilla that we don't do any of that. Gibbs and Saunders are BOTH known for running very limited preseason playbooks that do not really utilize the full ability of our players. Changing your predicition from 13-3 to 6-10 because of the last two games really speaks volumes about your knowledge of our coaches' preseason gameplans.

I'm not worried about our D at all, either. They've looked good so far, with problems against the run against the Jets. Those should be pretty easily solved, though. :cool:

[Sephiroth]

Washington 6-10 (Looked promising all during offseason and TC, then preseason started and reality set in. Was going to predict 13-3 :doh: )



Now isn't that an oxymoron? Preseason reality set in?

You got all that from 2 meaningless preseason games eh? You sir are a moron.

[HailToTheRedskins!]

The Jags WILL be 0-4 to start the season, and at the very best 3-1.

Way to go out on a limb there. :obvious: I'll do you one better and say that they'll be at worst 0-4 and at best 4-0. :D

[Playoffsorbust2005]

Obviously anyone picking the Colts second to the Jags in the AFC south hasn't seen either team play yet this year. The Jags WILL be 0-4 to start the season, and at the very best 3-1. I'm wondering if the thread's author is picking the Skins to win the game against the Jags in week 4? How could you not?

That's actually a toss-up. The Jags don't have the receivers we have, but Mark did lose his job to Leftwich who put up better numbers than Mark did. And they had about the same talent on Offense. Defensively, the skins might be better, but this game wouldn't be an easy task by any means. I can't really pick a favorite b/c both teams match up well against one another. But the bottom line is the Jags did win more games last season. I could see the skins winning, but it would be a close one. Probably a 3 point difference either way. I think the Jags will more than likely start off 3-1. Hopefully, they'll lose to us. :jagsuck: :2cents:

[jimster]

Whatever guy, if you were trying to insult me, shame on you .

yet, you refer to him as "old man"



i think this team has good players and such but all you guys playing the company line...that preseason is for evaluating talent alone are right in one way. but at the same time its to see how the team performs on basic plays as well. First team D looks good, first team O has a ways to go before they get in synch.:2cents:

It sounds like you don't believe that concept of pre-season. - Pay attention, and you will notice that we had what, 2 or 3 offensive plays in the last 2 games that had ANY motion in them? - Do you think it'll be like that in the real games? - Do you think we'll have fullbacks lined up at WR on half our plays like we did last night?

would you rather it be like the Steve Spurrier days where we show most of our playbook in pre-season trying to win meaningless games?

You know who has a great pre-season record every year? Arizona. -Yet they draft in the top 10 every year.

Colts were 0-4 last year in pre-season, Redskins were 0-4 in pre-season during the 1991 Superbowl run, Steelers sucked last year in pre-season.

Our starters looked un-motivated for the most part last night, and our back-ups looked like back-ups. THAT, along with poor execution, was what Gibbs is so fired up about.

I rather like that we have that happen to us now, because it becomes a learning tool.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

Now isn't that an oxymoron? Preseason reality set in?

You got all that from 2 meaningless preseason games eh? You sir are a moron.

I can do without the personal insults thank you. Please consult the forum rules. If the games are so meaningless then how come we have them? To assess the team. It's still practice. And we had some good passes. But we also didn't run the ball much, and I thought we abandoned the run too much. I will agree that we can and probably WILL do better once we actually start using the playbook. But we could use some confidence going into the regular season. And losing doesn't help. I seriously hope we do have a totally different look. I never said that we had to win in preseason, but it doesn't hurt to have the first string play well. The D should know better than to fall for a simple reverse play. Everyone fell for that. Our starting O should have had a better mix of run and pass, but they didn't. And I never said I ruled us out to finish 13-3, I simply said that as of right now, the way our team is peforming, and I'm talking about the starters, we look like a 6-10 team out there.

[jimster]

we look like a 6-10 team out there.


this is why I say I want to have a game like this every pre-season. The result of this game is going to be a very tough week, leaving a really bad taste in a lot of players mouths. - It can be pointed back to as example over and over and over all season.

[wbar3383]

I can do without the personal insults thank you. Please consult the forum rules. If the games are so meaningless then how come we have them? To assess the team. It's still practice. And we had some good passes. But we also didn't run the ball much, and I thought we abandoned the run too much. I will agree that we can and probably WILL do better once we actually start using the playbook. But we could use some confidence going into the regular season. And losing doesn't help. I seriously hope we do have a totally different look. I never said that we had to win in preseason, but it doesn't hurt to have the first string play well. The D should know better than to fall for a simple reverse play. Everyone fell for that. Our starting O should have had a better mix of run and pass, but they didn't. And I never said I ruled us out to finish 13-3, I simply said that as of right now, the way our team is peforming, and I'm talking about the starters, we look like a 6-10 team out there.


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He is right, you dont get it, and probably never will.

Better mix of pass and run lol. Gameplanning is for real games.
You'll be lucky to see 2 or 3 formations in a preseason game much less a concern on run vs pass.

You should stop now, you are only embarissing yourself.
Preseason shouldnt even be showed on TV. It gives the football noobs the wrong idea about the team.

[DieselPwr44]

Al Saunders has a 700 page playbook. We've seen maybe 6 plays out of it. Yeah, I'm worried.:rolleyes:

[Smurf85]

buy a bullet and a rent a gun

you know what to do


:shot: :shot: :shot:

[BIGJoeSalave'a]

The issue is not winning preseason games, because you can wind up losing when your opponents 3rd-4th teamers are playing against yours. The issue is that we looked bad, overthrown balls, porous defense and lousy special teams. I don't expect us to win but I do expect us to play with poise and be able to execute basic plays.


:applause: :applause: Thank you!! Praise the lord!! Now you see what I'm talking about. ...

- :rubeyes: Whew finally, I saw 2 Skins fans who are NOT buried to the eyes with homerism.
I wonder how many Skins fans we have that like to spew this line, "Redskins are always right, the coaches are always right, the players are always right, the management is always right, and the Redskins can do NO wrong EVER." :rolleyes:

- I would understand if these homers are replying to some puke fans' posts who are trying to annoy us by saying how inferior are the Skins. If that is the case, then by all means be as homeristic as you can be. But, we are dealing with the Skins fans who happen to question the team performance, and all hell break lose. :doh:

- FYI our #1 enemy (Puke fans) always laugh at us on these specific homerisitic behaviors of Skins fans vs. other Skin fans who question the team.

[DieselPwr44]

- :rubeyes: Whew finally, I saw 2 Skins fans who are NOT buried to the eyes with homerism.
I wonder how many Skins fans we have that like to spew this line, "Redskins are always right, the coaches are always right, the players are always right, the management is always right, and the Redskins can do NO wrong EVER." :rolleyes:

- I would understand if these homers are replying to some puke fans' posts who are trying to annoy us by saying how inferior are the Skins. If that is the case, then by all means be as homeristic as you can be. But, we are dealing with the Skins fans who happen to question the team performance, and all hell break lose. :doh:

- FYI our #1 enemy (Puke fans) always laugh at us on these specific homerisitic behaviors of Skins fans vs. other Skin fans who question the team.
You know what I laugh at? People who fail to learn from history........

[Live4Skins]

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You can spin this anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is, our first unit played more like a 4-12 or 6-10 team than a team that just went to the playoffs. And some want to use the new OC Saunders as an excuse to not gell yet and play poorly? The only difference in the offense is that its more spread out because Saunders using 3 and 4 receiver sets, thus giving us the opportunity to use motion, create mismatches, and help our offense to move the ball more effectively. Naturally, he won't show any of that b/c he's not going to tip his hand about our offense, but even Mark Brunell ADMITTED we should be able to execute base plays. Now I know there will be a LOT of so-called optimists and DREAMERS who still believe we can straighten things out in time to recover for the season opener, but I believe we're HONESTLY looking at a 6-10 team at best. This coming from a DIE-HARD skins fan!

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:doh: When the season starts and the Skins play like they are now, then you can jump off the bandwagon. For a DIE-HARD fan you really show it. Read the post below by OM.


Washington 6-10 (Looked promising all during offseason and TC, then preseason started and reality set in. Was going to predict 13-3 :doh: )


You'll eat those words come mid-season. THIS COMES FROM A DIE-HARD fan.





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I've said it once, I'll say it again. :)

Year after year after year ... it's always the same.

To those of you screaming from the rooftops today and for the rest of preseason (and yes I know you're Skins fans too, and I love you for it--you're just nuts. :) ), which, you should probably know, will be just as frustrating to you as the first part of it has been, please be sure to check back in around midseason, when this team is right in the middle of the playoff race, and remind us all again how worried you were telling us we should have been in August.

(http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/member.php?u=6)

Om you have to look at this from a parent point of view. You can only give advice to your kids so many times. If they learn to realize that you speak the truth then they come back believing what it is your saying then you have accomplished more than the average parent.

If on the other hand they are non-believers in what you say and they continually make the mistake of self medicating themselves with hype then my friend you have to do whats called "tough love" . Let them learn the hard way instead of the easy way.

I feel that the Skins will get their act together and prove to everyone that the bar of excellence is much higher they what we see it at right now.

Peace, HTTR & TITY!!!

[MIghtySKINS]

its just f ing preseason.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

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:doh: When the season starts and the Skins play like they are now, then you can jump off the bandwagon. For a DIE-HARD fan you really show it.


You'll eat those words come mid-season. THIS COMES FROM A DIE-HARD [color=yellow]fan.

Peace, HTTR & TITY!!!

I hope you right. I honestly do. I don't mind eating humble pie. But so many times we've gotten our hopes up in the past over the skins. It seems like everytime they start doing well, they seem to follow it up by not playing well the next time around. It happened during the Norv Turner years and the Steve Spurrier experiment turned into a disaster. He obviously didn't know that you aren't supposed to go all out with your offense in the preseason. He was a bad coach all around as far as the NFL goes. But he did come to washington at the time bringing us a lot of promise, and all we ended up with was disappointment. Sound familiar? It should because before Gibbs returned things looks pretty bleak for this organization. I love this team, but face it, they've broken my heart and I'm sure the hearts of a LOT of other Die-hard fans that have had high hopes during different seasons when Gibbs left the first time around, but none of those seasons panned out the way we hoped. I still believe we can practice and hopefully get better with our first units in time for the season opener. But I think it makes sense to at least be concerned with the way we are performing now wouldn't you say?

[seeMeskins]

Our first string Defense gave up a TD on a simple reverse play. Then our 1st string offense struggles to move the ball against the 29th ranked run defense of the NFL from last year. I know the Jets didn't make THAT many offseason acquisitions to improve the defense. Ladell Betts averages 2 ypc??? Surprisingly, we did WELL against their ranked 2 pass defense with ARE. But we still didn't get the ball in the endzone or even a FG against the lowly Jets starters. Our Special Teams played atrociously, and even Joe Gibbs himself said we didn't play well, and that he was "Concerned" about our teams performance.

You can spin this anyway you want, but the fact of the matter is, our first unit played more like a 4-12 or 6-10 team than a team that just went to the playoffs. And some want to use the new OC Saunders as an excuse to not gell yet and play poorly? The only difference in the offense is that its more spread out because Saunders using 3 and 4 receiver sets, thus giving us the opportunity to use motion, create mismatches, and help our offense to move the ball more effectively. Naturally, he won't show any of that b/c he's not going to tip his hand about our offense, but even Mark Brunell ADMITTED we should be able to execute base plays. Now I know there will be a LOT of so-called optimists and DREAMERS who still believe we can straighten things out in time to recover for the season opener, but I believe we're HONESTLY looking at a 6-10 team at best. This coming from a DIE-HARD skins fan!

That being said here are my predictions for the 2006 NFL season:

AFC East
New England 11-5
Miami 11-5 (Culpepper will improve this team and rebound this year)
Buffalo 7-9
New York Jets 4-12 (Could be 8-8 though considering the *** whipping they just gave our beloved playoff team of last year).

AFC North
Cincinnati 12-4
Pittsburgh 10-6 (Losing ARE WILL have an effect on this offense).
Baltimore 9-7 (Air McNair will return to form as well to help this teams only weak spot of last year).
Cleveland 7-9

AFC South
Jacksonville 12-4
Indianapolis 11-5 (Domonic Rhodes a replacement for EJ? Hardly).
Tennessee 5-11
Houston 4-12

AFC West
Denver 13-3
Kansas City 11-5 (LJ will continue to carry team even w/o Saunders).
San Diego 7-9 (This team only won 9 games WITH a healthy Drew Brees, Antonio Gates, and LT).
Oakland 6-10 (Don't sleep).

My favorite division NFC East
New York Giants 10-6 (Even with new additions LA and SM, defense is questionable).
Dallas 9-7 (Swiss cheese belongs on sandwiches not O-lines).
Philadelphia 8-8 (Potential team with solid D players, but no WRs)
Washington 6-10 (Looked promising all during offseason and TC, then preseason started and reality set in. Was going to predict 13-3 :doh: )

NFC North
Chicago 9-7 (smoke and mirrors won't help this great D CARRY this team this year).
Minnesota 7-9 (BJ went 7-2 but 5 of those wins against GB, DL, and the BR. 4-12, 5-11 and 6-10 respectively).
Green Bay 6-10
Detroit 4-12

NFC South

Tampa Bay 12-4 (CS will continue to improve under Coach "Chucky" Gruden).
Carolina 10-6
Atlanta 10-6
New Orleans 7-9 (Drew Brees alone will improve this team, who also have Deuce McAllister, JH and DS).

NFC West
Seattle 14-2 (Why not?)
Arizona 8-8 (EJ will give this team the one thing it was lacking, a running game).
San Fransisco 6-10 (will improve even with the losses of AC and BL).
St. Louis 4-12 (Injury plagued or not, this team struggled even when healthy and their best and only good Defensive player AA is with the skins now).
:2cents: Thats some funny sh1* IN GIBBS I TRUST.

[Jumbo]

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[bubba9497]

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you'd think they'd know by now :doh:

[Jumbo]

Well, going on Read Only for a week offers more time to learn the rules on posting in the forum. :)

[illone]

6-10, lol.

I'll wear an avatar that says "POBsb!tch" for 2 months if you are right.

However, if we DO win more than 6 games, then you have to wear the sig of my choice as well as a special avatar for 1 month.

Deal?

[Matt [Redskins Fan]]

After all the other threads exactly like this, this is the one that finally convinced me.

[Om]

Om you have to look at this from a parent point of view. You can only give advice to your kids so many times. If they learn to realize that you speak the truth then they come back believing what it is your saying then you have accomplished more than the average parent.

If on the other hand they are non-believers in what you say and they continually make the mistake of self medicating themselves with hype then my friend you have to do whats called "tough love" . Let them learn the hard way instead of the easy way.

I feel that the Skins will get their act together and prove to everyone that the bar of excellence is much higher they what we see it at right now.

Peace, HTTR & TITY!!!

As a father of three, I always appreciate advice, particularly now that 2 are in high school. As far as I know neither has killed anybody or had kids of their own that I don't know about yet, so by and large I think I'm doing okay, but I'm always willing to learn.

So I mean this in the best possible way, but ... WTF are you trying to say? :)

[KevinMac]

And my point was that even JG and Mark Brunell admitted that there was a lack of execution on simple VANILLA plays.

I am only on the first page in my quest to read this thread and already this is about the 10th time you've said this. Let me ask you a question. What makes you think "simple VANILLA plays" are easy to execute? Maybe when there is no defense on the field they are easy, but in the real world when a team is trying to stop you, vanilla plays are by far the most difficult to execute. If your precious "simple VANILLA plays" were so easy to pull off, teams would run them during the regular season, don't you think? Playbooks would be nothing but vanilla plays. But guess what? They don't, because when an offense is vanilla the defense has all the advantage. No mismatches are created, no route combinations are used, and no misdirection is employed. Heck, I think we have run outside the tackles twice in 2 games. What do you think is more effective? Running a "simple VANILLA play" up the middle into a pile of ten 300 pound muscle machines, or running a "real" play with movement in space to create a running lane or two?

[Passizle]

On the reverse, ramsey blocked someone in the back thats why they scored.

That block was legit. The block in the back was from D'brickshaw. He blind sided that dude.

[Toast20622]

Heard one of the annoucers on either NFL network or Comcast say it best...Sanders plans on using a very vanilla offense, even vanilla topped with vanilla in preseason...then opening day it will be "Rocky Road", chocolate, vanilla, marshmellows, severals kinds of nuts, topped with sprinkles!!

:cheers:

[HailYeah]

Wow! You swung your prediction for the season from 13-3 to 6-10 at best based on two pre-season games. I'm not even mad, I'm impressed. That's amazing!

:applause: :notworthy :applause:

[Playoffsorbust2005]

6-10, lol.

I'll wear an avatar that says "POBsb!tch" for 2 months if you are right.

However, if we DO win more than 6 games, then you have to wear the sig of my choice as well as a special avatar for 1 month.

Deal?

You got it. I'm game. Heck, I hope we do win more than 6 games, but with the way we're looking right now, we need to start playing well with our first string. They need to at least try to put up points with the first team. Just because a team does bad in preseason doesn't GUARANTEE a turnaround in the regular season. Usually, if the Redskins play bad and lose, it tends to carry over for a while. Now I'm not panicking, but I am concerned about the way we played.
:2cents:

[illone]

Man, I didn't think you'd go for the bet.

Are you sure you're a skins fan?

What fan bets against his own team?

[Jstunner56]

You fans who expect a perfect 4-0 preseason start are out of your minds to think we are a 6-10 team. How can you all say you are "fans" and have no faith that Gibbs will have our preseason play straigtened out before the season starts. How many threads have to be put out there that state, Gibbs successful seasons almost all started with a losing preseason. If you all think preseason determines everything, what would you all say about our great start under the Spurrier era? Shouldnt we have gone all the way then? Preseason play is just what it is, preseason. keep it at that, and stop pointing out all the negatives. Look at the positives and potential we have.

[Playoffsorbust2005]

Man, I didn't think you'd go for the bet.

Are you sure you're a skins fan?

What fan bets against his own team?

I thought you wanted to bet. Look I love this team, but so many times in the past 10-12 years, I've been let down by this team. I'm confident we can stil make 13-3 too, but right now, I'm too concerned with the way we played. We have some bright spots, but like Gibbs said....We have a LONG way to go, and only 2 more PRACTICE games to get there. I'm the same fan who picked us to either go 9-7 or 10-6 last year. Looks like I nailed it on the head. I don't care about the score cuz its preseason. But we need to execute these plays that we're running, and try to at least put up a score with our first unit. That hasn't happened yet. And the Jets only used 1 trick play. Gibbs said it already. We were outcoached. Not to mention their first string O outplayed our first string O. I'm upset. And other skins fans should be. We're better than this. Too much talent on this team to play like this.
:2cents:

[3DaysLatr]

As far as the D goes, I think it's great that teams are running trick plays on them in the pre-season. I never bought into the same mistake twice when I played and these guys are infinately better than ever dreamed of being.

As far as the offense is concerned, I'll admit that MB has thrown a couple of wobblers, but ARE caught one and Lloyd brought in another. There has been no motion in the offense (which we all know is a major staple) and that tells me that they aren't showing anything on that side of the ball. To be honest, the first team has been coming off the field pretty quickly, it is the pre-season after all.

I think that people need to remember that this is only the preseason. The only thing that takes place in these games that translates to the regular season are injuries and that's why the first team is getting off the field. It's really sad to see fans getting discouraged by games that mean nothing.

[HailRiggoRanger]

As far as the D goes, I think it's great that teams are running trick plays on them in the pre-season. I never bought into the same mistake twice when I played and these guys are infinately better than ever dreamed of being.

I agree. I don't see any Bledsoe-to-Glenn flea flicker working this year, as it did last year. The Bengals and Jets did us a favor.

[bricucci]

Some of us on this board need to realize that playing preseason football Osaka style equates to nothing but crushed dreams. I believe Joe Gibbs combined preseason record when he won Superbowls was either 1 -11 or 2-10, lets not panic and see it for what it is. I unfortunately missed the game (thought I had tivo'd it, but someone in my house unplugged the tivo box and I didn't get the game, but from watching the highlights I can tell you 11 starters weren't on the field during that reverse play. And it looked like a lot guys on the kickoff return won't be on starting special teams come September 11th. As for Joe Gibbs being upset, if you look at past history, Joe Gibss always shows more emotion in preseason than the regular season. He's trying to create a sense of urgency to those that are trying to make the team and hates coming out of the gate as a favoriot. Anyone remember his blowup on Steve Buckhantz? in 91 after the Skins fell to 1 - 3 during the preason, how doom and gloom he was about the upcoming regular season? Anyone remember the 91 season? Anyone remember the score of the opening game, I do, it was 41 - 0. I'm full steam ahead with confidence, it the scoreboard reads 27-14 Vikings on September 11th, well then its panic time. :2cents: :2cents: :2cents:

[CowboysForLife]

Don't be so negative man, just look forward to the regular season.

[Park City Skins]

Reality check is when you have Cowboys fans telling some to relax. :) ( Not a shot at our fans of the star).

[Pimpey42000]

I'd rather have this team be looking s#$^y during the pre-season. I put all my faith that into the fact that this team will be ready by the regular season.