Impact of Duckett Trade on RB Depth Chart (MERGED)

[THEArmchairQB]

I looked for a thread on this topic and didn't see one, if this discussion is already ongoing, please merge.

edit:Theme- This is our year, the coaching staff is not going to let anything stop us.

What does this move say for the status of CP? Does it mean his injury is more serious we've been led to believe? Do the coaches have full faith in him when he returns to the starting lineup? Or is this an insurance move...?

Id like to think the latter. The injury to Portis is a recurring type, it could pop out again w/a good hit. I like how this coaching staff is not taking any chances at the position and installing a full load of depth behind CP. They're saying this is our year, and no injury is going to keep us from achieving our goal (which we all know is the SB). I view the move as an insurance policy, but weather we need it or not, we now appear absoultely STACKED at the RB position. This is how I view it going into preseason wk three...

Portis
Betts/Duckett
Rock
Lumdsen(sp?)

Although I know this move will take thouches from CP near the goalline, I like what the coaching staff is doing. We've all seen how quickly the SB window can close on a team, even when thier future looks so bright. I am happy to see Gibbs and Co. grabbing the proverbiol bull by the horns and being proactive with this move instead of waiting until week 3 or 4, when more teams may be on the market for a RB, because of injuries or other reasons.

EDIT: I'm the self-proclaimed KING of SPIN

[Jofizz]

Getting a good power/goal-line running back for a third round pic is a steal. If you read Gibbs' comments he said that many teams have been calling the skins up, and we may have just came upon this trade without even knowing it was going to happen until the last second.

If this came along and I were head coach, I don't think I would let this opportunity pass.

[terpfan]

Lumsden is gone, that much is obvious. I think what it means for CP is the coaches want to save him in short yardage situations, which arent his strong suit anyway, so that his shoulder injury does not get reaggravated during the season.

[Lil Kenzo]

This is my take on the whole situation. Betts is a more then capable back up to Portis but can't seem to stay healthy.If Portis is out for any significant amount of time, wouldn't you rather have Betts and Duckett splitting the carries until Portis is back to full strength?

[UltimateSkins]

This trade is good for Portis. He won't have to carry the ball 30 times a game anymore on a hurt shoulder.

[MikeB]

I'm wondering if Betts now get traded for picks or some OL depth?

[terpfan]

I'm wondering if Betts now get traded for picks or some OL depth?
I'd be surprised if we made this trade just to turn around and trade Betts the way Saunders has been talking him up.

[W. Unseld]

I think Nemo or Rock will be on their way out (probably Nemo). I think either they are more worried about Portis' injury than they will say or they have little faith in Betts' ability to stay healthy. I feel like Rock could have been serviceable for one or two games, and Betts/Lumsden could have covered the rest, I just hope they didn't give up a third round pick to get Duckett.

[Jordash]

A better question might be what does this mean for Sellers? Do they need to give him any carries now with duckett in the mix? I mean a backfield with Duckett and Sellers is pretty appealing, but Sellers's carries have probably just been cut in half.

[Pete]

This is my take on the whole situation. Betts is a more then capable back up to Portis but can't seem to stay healthy.If Portis is out for any significant amount of time, wouldn't you rather have Betts and Duckett splitting the carries until Portis is back to full strength?

While I'm not upset we got Duckett, I would have been just as happy with Betts and Rock splitting time. Remember some of the damage that betts and Rock did last season while speling Portis. Not to shabby.


This trade is good for Portis. He won't have to carry the ball 30 times a game anymore on a hurt shoulder.

The intent was to give more carries to betts this season to start for a few reasons. One is to keep Portis fresher, and the other is a change up. It's also been said that Suanders would have Portis and Betts on the field at the same time for some plays.


I'm wondering if Betts now get traded for picks or some OL depth?

I don't see it happening. Suanders loves Betts.

[Titaw]

The only impact that this trade is going to have on Portis is his fantasy #'s. TJ is a TD whore, expect Portis to drop more on draft boards with this addition.

[Stew]

I saw Saunders talking Betts up as trade bait and fluff. I could be wrong, I have been before, but when Saunders started that talk out of the blue, I thought from the beginning it was the end of Ol Betts, or as John Clayton called him on ESPN radio "Latrell Betts" lol Laughed my *** off when I heard it, about 20mins ago.

[autographcollector]

I have watched Mr. Injury Betts and Mr. OK Rock. I will take....

Duckett..........

[gate113]

At least espn agreed to the trade for the skins.

[JoeSkins]

This means Portis' fantasy stock goes down and Dunn's goes up. :laugh:

[Jordash]

What number is Duckett going to be? Any guesses? 33 sounds good to me.

[bubba9497]

Will save wear & tear on Portis taking hits on short yardage and late in the game running out the clock

Betts will still be a big part of the offense on third downs, and catching passes, and KR

[Cambl2Moss]

This means Portis' fantasy stock goes down and Dunn's goes up. :laugh:

How will Portis' Stock go down? Dunn had the best season of his career last year. Id still take Portis over anyone not named LT, LJ or ALexander

[GIBBS LIVES]

Let's do some history shall we?

Betts was here, and Trung Canidate was brought in.

Betts was here, and Clinton Portis was brought in.

Betts was here, and now T.J. Duckett was brought in.

Betts was put into compition against Kenny Watson, and Watson beats Betts out only to have Snyder come in and stop Spurrier from cutting Betts.

It is very, very obvious that Betts isn't worth the 2nd round pick we invested in him. And by the management's on actions (different coaches at that) they don't believe in him either. Despite all the "glowing" reports you read to the contrary.

Duckett was brought here because he can run between the tackles well. Better then Betts. And he can convert those "3rd and 1" situations also.

Betts leverage on his new contract negotiations has dissapeared and this should be the last year here for Betts.

After all, Duckett has only a year left on his contract and I know the skins didn't part with a 3rd round pick for a guy to be here one year. Duckett is going to be resigned so Betts can finally hit the bricks. He was a 2nd round bust.

[psu2008]

Let's do some history shall we?

Betts was here, and Trung Canidate was brought in.

Betts was here, and Clinton Portis was brought in.

Betts was here, and now T.J. Duckett was brought in.

Betts was put into compition against Kenny Watson, and Watson beats Betts out only to have Snyder come in and stop Spurrier from cutting Betts.

It is very, very obvious that Betts isn't worth the 2nd round pick we invested in him. And by the management's on actions (different coaches at that) they don't believe in him either. Despite all the "glowing" reports you read to the contrary.

Duckett was brought here because he can run between the tackles well. Better then Betts. And he can convert those "3rd and 1" situations also.

Betts leverage on his new contract negotiations has dissapeared and this should be the last year here for Betts.

After all, Duckett has only a year left on his contract and I know the skins didn't part with a 3rd round pick for a guy to be here one year. Duckett is going to be resigned so Betts can finally hit the bricks. He was a 2nd round bust.

very, very good point

[rsc]

Hey People,
This is FREAKING HUGE.

Before I start about TJ, a few comments are in order regarding CP.

I love CP. I love him for his humor and character and I love him when I see him throw his body (and I mean launch) into an LB on a passing play. (and of course the running and TDs)

BUT

He seems to me like he has glass shoulders. He had shoulder problems last year. Does anyone remember the "sore shoulder problem" during the year? I think I recall CP saying he had shoulder surgery in college. So I ask myself how much weight training or any other conditioning does he do in the off-season on his upper body, particularly his shoulders? I'm not saying he's lazy or a slacker, it's just that when you've had a constant problem in one area, you have to beef it up. Did I mention I love CP. (Side note: One of the funniest things I ever heard was when CP offered and explanation to the media last year on how Santana Moss learned to catch a football like he does. Answer: Playing frisbee AGAINST the dog. He out runs and out hops the dog for the frisbee)

TJ. What can I say. WOW!! This seems like a great value for a #3 pick. I don't know what everyone sees in the rest of our backs. Sellers is the only one I like because of his size. Ladell doesn't seem to have the accelleration through the hole. Anyway, I'll wrap this up. Great move!

[Fifty Gut]

it means Portis won't be slammed into the line of scrimmage anymore

it means Portis will be healthy come the playoffs and not exhausted because he carried the whole offense on his shoulders (no pun)

[bubba9497]

How will Portis' Stock go down? Dunn had the best season of his career last year. Id still take Portis over anyone not named LT, LJ or ALexander


and damn sure over anything wearing blue & Silver with a big ugly star on the side of their head

[Brad89]

Sooo...when can we expect to hear what CP has to say about it? Think he'll be upset because he won't get as many TDs?

[tuna_h8r]

Sellers took away plenty of CPs TDs last season, I don't see how it gets all that much worse for CP there.

I watched Duckett here when the falcon games were at different times from the skins games, and I was never really impressed with TJs vision, he seemed to run last year like he was hitting the hole in the play design, and if it wasn't there, it just wasn't there. ATL has one of those small, zone-blocking lines last year and he didn't thrive in that system where he was asked to find the right seam to attack. So I'm not sure in the end that this is that big a pickup, considering our system. in the final tally a 3rd round pick for RB insurance/short yardage isn't all that bad. And, it's not that Duckett isn't a feature back, I just wonder if he could be a 1400-1500 yard rusher in this system, where CP is basically proven.

I will say that I prefer to have TJ pass-blocking in obvious passing downs so CP can save his body for carries, and Duckett is definitely a threat to run, so while he is in to pass block, the defense has to respect his ability to run a draw, which might not necessarily be the case with Sellers.

And, I can't recall many times that TJ fumbled, while i can recall Betts and Rock doing so. But that just may be because those hurt more as a fan, while I could care less about a falcons final score.

Final note... seeing how the Jets and Eagles really need a big back, they must be even greener than usual seeing TJ Duckett not on the market anymore.

[Brad89]

Just thought of something..haha, maybe we'll trade duckett for some OL Depth?? :D

[GSF]

So who's going to get cut or traded? I don't see Rock going anywhere, so it's either Nemo or Betts. Betts is probably more talented, but maybe the staff has given up on his ability to stay healthy. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Either way, I'm very excited to see Duckett come to the Skins. Dude was a monster in college. He never really got a chance in ATL.

[bubba9497]

So who's going to get cut or traded? I don't see Rock going anywhere, so it's either Nemo or Betts. Betts is probably more talented, but maybe the staff has given up on his ability to stay healthy. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.

Either way, I'm very excited to see Duckett come to the Skins. Dude was a monster in college. He never really got a chance in ATL.

Nemo goes to the practice squad

1. Portis feature back

2. Betts 3rd down back, change of pace, pass catching etc. KR

3. Duckett, short yardage, grinder to run out the clock in games we have a lead.

4. Rock Special Teams, insurance back

[TheGuru10]

Gibbs has set this up just like '91. He has his feature back in Portis just like Byner and his short yardage back in Duckett just like Riggs. In '91 Byner has 5 TD's rushing and Riggs had 11. I see this shaping up very similiar to '91 from a personel standpoint. Let's hope the end results are the same.


Sorry, after I posted I saw this as a thread. Not trying to steal anyones ideas.

[GSF]

Nemo goes to the practice squad

1. Portis feature back

2. Betts 3rd down back, change of pace, pass catching etc. KR

3. Duckett, short yardage, grinder to run out the clock in games we have a lead.

4. Rock Special Teams, insurance back

I like the sound of that line up. Does the team usually have 4 active backs for games? Does this mean that Rock will be inactive for games like Nemo was last year?

[TaylorPickSix]

Gibbs has set this up just like '91. He has his feature back in Portis just like Byner and his short yardage back in Duckett just like Riggs. In '91 Byner has 5 TD's rushing and Riggs had 11. I see this shaping up very similiar to '91 from a personel standpoint. Let's hope the end results are the same.


Sorry, after I posted I saw this as a thread. Not trying to steal anyones ideas.
And if we get a ring at the end of the season, then Portis will probably be happy with it. Otherwise I have a feeling he might get moody about not getting his TDs.
Other than that, though, I love the trade.

[909997]

give duckett the ball inside 10 yard line

[TheGuru10]

And if we get a ring at the end of the season, then Portis will probably be happy with it. Otherwise I have a feeling he might get moody about not getting his TDs.
Other than that, though, I love the trade.

Good point, I didn't think about that, but he can always pop off a few 30 and 40 yarders like he did in Denver if he wants TD's. I haven't seen many of those here and would like to.

[APBT]

I am starting to believe that Clinton is not happy here any more. He is showing signs by lashing out at the team indirectly.

[mlindsey13]

Nemo goes to the practice squad

1. Portis feature back

2. Betts 3rd down back, change of pace, pass catching etc. KR

3. Duckett, short yardage, grinder to run out the clock in games we have a lead.

4. Rock Special Teams, insurance back

TOTALLY AGREE!!! That makes a lot of sense!

[bubba9497]

I like the sound of that line up. Does the team usually have 4 active backs for games? Does this mean that Rock will be inactive for games like Nemo was last year?


I know we kept 4 last season, and sometimes 4 were active

Though Rock is more ST, than RB.. like Thrash is more ST than WR

[Ant15fromNJ]

this means portis is going to score less TD's and not carry the ball as much.

[bubba9497]

Gibbs has set this up just like '91. He has his feature back in Portis just like Byner and his short yardage back in Duckett just like Riggs. In '91 Byner has 5 TD's rushing and Riggs had 11. I see this shaping up very similiar to '91 from a personel standpoint. Let's hope the end results are the same.


Sorry, after I posted I saw this as a thread. Not trying to steal anyones ideas.


Betts = Ervins ;)

[bubba9497]

this means portis is going to score less TD's and not carry the ball as much.


Portis wants a ring, more than a few extra TD's... plus it may prolong his career

[s0crates]

Although I know this move will take thouches from CP near the goalline, And I was going to take CP in my fantasy draft . . . Oh well, this is a good move for the 'skins. If I remember correctly, we really needed a goalline/short-yardage back last year.

[blloyd33]

Ask not what it will mean for CP, ask what it will mean to the team.
You remember the team don't you?
The Redskins?
Ring a bell?

[turbodiesel#44]

I will say that I prefer to have TJ pass-blocking in obvious passing downs so CP can save his body for carries, and Duckett is definitely a threat to run, so while he is in to pass block, the defense has to respect his ability to run a draw, which might not necessarily be the case with Sellers.

tuna h8r, what is the deal on TJ's blocking and catching. I keep asking, everybody ignores me. I'M A PERSON TOO!

[End2round2sanders]

If anything it might mean portis might and probably will get fewer carries in short yardage situations ceptially in the clutch. Couple fans said it best we sucked in short yardage situations in clutch time, portis is great in any other situation but when defenses stack 10 guys in the box on a 2nd n 5-7 with time running out in the game n we're protecting the lead we didn't get it done. Duckett can help us in that area so thats wat maybe at most 5 more carries taken away from portis? I still see him getting 20-25 touches a game.

[Redskinaholic]

There is no way in hell Portis wants out of Washington. He is our main man, the most popular athlete in Washington, everybody loves him....why would he want out. He's on a Super Bowl caliber team who just picked up a player that will keep CP from getting beat on like he did last year. CP is happy here and probably just became even happier with this trade. This trade is making everyone crazy in the head...people just start overreacting when something like this goes down. CP shouldn't be mad if this takes away from his TD's. CP will still get at least 8 TD's...meanwhile we now have a back who is almost automatic inside the 10 yardline. Duckett can't be stopped when he's that close to the goal. I can't wait for this season. This is not only an insurance policy in case CP is beat up, but it is an insurance policy if Brunell is horrible and Campbell is playin and we have to totally rely on our running game.

[bubba9497]

Just for the record Ducket has had in 4 years 31 rushing TD's , and 121 rushing first downs...

even though he was sharing the ball with Dunn, and Vick

[Hail26]

I like this Duckett trade

[flexxskins]

Pete has a couple good points about Betts and Portis spliting time and Betts and Rock carrying the load well last season.

My thing is, is that I've never been a real big believer in Rock and I just wonder whether or not Betts can stay healthy for the entire season. Rock has had a couple good games, but for the most part (IMHO) he just gets thrown around like a ragdoll.

However, Duckett is the real deal and I just don't see any downside in bringing him here.

[moondog]

I think what this means for CP is a return to his game ala Denver, at least somewhat, because he has really changed a lot since then. With Duckett in there, Portis will probably be more relied upon to take the ball outside. If I remember correctly, the coaching staff asked Portis to drop weight in the offseason so he could be quicker and more nimble this year anyway (obviously there was no plan of having Duckett in the offense though).

Honestly, I see our running game looking like the "thunder and lightning" days of NY although much more effective. Saunders loves to run the ball and Portis will be constantly fresh to tear up the defenses with his blazing speed and agility whereas Duckett will probably have the opportunity to get the short yards and run most of the gut plays. I think our goal line offense with Sellers and Duckett sounds rediculous and we may see a lot more runs than rollouts and passes to Cooley and Sellers in the flats like last year when we get down there.

[Smurf85]

I'm wondering if Betts now get traded for picks or some OL depth?

Who wants Betts?

[flexxskins]

I think what this means for CP is a return to his game ala Denver, at least somewhat, because he has really changed a lot since then. With Duckett in there, Portis will probably be more relied upon to take the ball outside. If I remember correctly, the coaching staff asked Portis to drop weight in the offseason so he could be quicker and more nimble this year anyway (obviously there was no plan of having Duckett in the offense though).

Honestly, I see our running game looking like the "thunder and lightning" days of NY although much more effective. Saunders loves to run the ball and Portis will be constantly fresh to tear up the defenses with his blazing speed and agility whereas Duckett will probably have the opportunity to get the short yards and run most of the gut plays. I think our goal line offense with Sellers and Duckett sounds rediculous and we may see a lot more runs than rollouts and passes to Cooley and Sellers in the flats like last year when we get down there.I gotcha. Sort of that Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson effect. :applause:

Right on, right on. :cheers:

[TD Riggo]

Hey People,
This is FREAKING HUGE.

Before I start about TJ, a few comments are in order regarding CP.

I love CP. I love him for his humor and character and I love him when I see him throw his body (and I mean launch) into an LB on a passing play. (and of course the running and TDs)


I love Portis too .. that is until he started whining about being left out too long in the game that he got hurt. (Okay .. maybe whining is too strong ..) I understand the competitive spirit, but C Po is just as much to blame for launching himself into the other player ('don't even remember who it was) in a preseason game.

I think bringing Duckett in may help quite a bit in attitude adjustment!

[misterfan]

To me Sellers is better than Duckett. Mike is bigger, can catch and score, and is tough. I don't understand why we got Duckett with Mike Sellers in the backfield.

[GibbsFactor]

Gibbs has set this up just like '91. He has his feature back in Portis just like Byner and his short yardage back in Duckett just like Riggs. In '91 Byner has 5 TD's rushing and Riggs had 11. I see this shaping up very similiar to '91 from a personel standpoint. Let's hope the end results are the same.


Sorry, after I posted I saw this as a thread. Not trying to steal anyones ideas.

Randle El = Mitchell.

[blloyd33]

Duckett is another arrow in the quiver. And a lot faster one the Sellers.
Let Mike do what he does best and Duckett do what he does best.
It is not a matter of Sellers V Duckett. Strap 'em on and do what is asked of you.
53 men with one goal.

[REEGSKINS]

but will we be able to sign duckett to an extension. if not it will be a waist of a draft pick.

[hands11]

And if we get a ring at the end of the season, then Portis will probably be happy with it. Otherwise I have a feeling he might get moody about not getting his TDs.
Other than that, though, I love the trade.

He is a little mouthy. I wonder if this is even insurance against that. Health and mouth insurance.

[hands11]

To me Sellers is better than Duckett. Mike is bigger, can catch and score, and is tough. I don't understand why we got Duckett with Mike Sellers in the backfield.

Thats what Im a little upset about. I wanted Sellers to get 6-8 carries a game.

[Passizle]

I dont like this trade one bit. We get Duckette for a 3rd AND 4th round draft pick? We are not going to be able to draft effectivley until 2010 at this rate.
Serenity Now!!!

[skinstzar]

Am I the only one who doesn't like this trade? What is TJ Duckett's contract status? Did we just give up yet another draft pick to Denver? When are we going to draft depth in the trenches and at CB? Don't you think if we had gone into the season without TJ Duckett we would have had ample players who could have taken goal line and short yardage carries. We use a fullback now. CP can get a yard or three when he has a fullback. If he gets hurt, Betts could get a yard or three with a fullback like Sellers. If one of our O linemen goes down then it is irrellevant who we have in the backfield. If one of our corners goes down now we are pretty much SOL. This trade makes no long term sense to me and it is not what was needed to make this team better this year. The Model that the Redskins are using is more like a Fantasy team than a football team. Look at the teams that have been in the SB the past 6 years, how many of them were overly active in the offseason and made numerous trades???????? God I hope this works because if it doesn't there is no way out.

[BigRay]

It doesn't mean not one thing for CP. I am sure TJ knows that CP is the man here in this offense. By getting Duckett what it does mean he gives us a big back that can get those tough yards and especially down there around the goal line which is something we haven't had since Gerald Riggs.

[jimster]

Nemo goes to the practice squad

1. Portis feature back

2. Betts 3rd down back, change of pace, pass catching etc. KR

3. Duckett, short yardage, grinder to run out the clock in games we have a lead.

4. Rock Special Teams, insurance back


yep - although I wouldn't be surprised to see Manual White make the PS for depth at Fb



What number is Duckett going to be? Any guesses? 33 sounds good to me.

It aint going to be 33 - that's our only officially retired number. - My Guess is 43.

[Santana_Fan]

Lumsden is gone, that much is obvious. I think what it means for CP is the coaches want to save him in short yardage situations, which arent his strong suit anyway, so that his shoulder injury does not get reaggravated during the season.



I say Nemo is the one that'll be leaving.

[rumpshakers]

I like the trade myself. TJ will be a great addition, It will cut down on CP's TD production and save his shoulder on third and short and tough goaline situation and Betts and Big Mike will hardly ever see the goal this season. In addition TJ is a solid blocker.

[rdskn418]

I think this trade means more for Betts. We all know that Saunders loved Betts in the begginning of the preseason ("I didn't realize just how good he is") but I find it extremely difficult to believe that this trade would take place without Saunders aproval if not his directing. Perhaps there is some question as to Betts' durability as a possible number 1 back or perhaps there is some problems trying to find an extension ith Betts. I imagine Betts wouldn't sign an extension if this is the year he has the chance to prove first string back status.

[Dccat]

I think Nemo or Rock will be on their way out (probably Nemo). I think either they are more worried about Portis' injury than they will say or they have little faith in Betts' ability to stay healthy. I feel like Rock could have been serviceable for one or two games, and Betts/Lumsden could have covered the rest, I just hope they didn't give up a third round pick to get Duckett.


They did give up a 3rd round. I'm in the Atl, and I've seen Duckett since he got here I think we have made a mistake getting him.

[44Dieselfan]

It aint going to be 33 - that's our only officially retired number. - My Guess is 43.[/QUOTE]



It aint going to be 43 either. 43 was Larry Brown's number and it is one of the "unofficial" retired numbers.

[ItaliaMuscle]

I dont think you can not like this trade. Its win win everywhere. There we can run the ball anywhere on the field with our running back. Duckett just boosts the up the middle run and short yardage carries. Less wear and tear on CP and damm im excited to see this tag team hit the field when CP is healthy!

[SkinzFoLife]

I don't think this trade affects CP at all, if anything it would affect Rock and Sellers. Rock has been a failed experiment as a short yardage back. With Duckett in there I think Rock's days are numbered.

[shims3]

Any news on if the Skins have scheduled a press conference today to discuss this trade?

[blloyd33]

If one of our O linemen goes down then it is irrellevant who we have in the backfield. If one of our corners goes down now we are pretty much SOL. This trade makes no long term sense to me and it is not what was" needed"

Send your resume to Redskins Park. Quit crying. Think about this. You draft a CB in the 3rd, he sits for a year, plays pretty well in year 2, has a good 3rd year and is gone in year 4. You get two good years out of this player but he has been on the roster for four years. This has happened to us more that once. Or find someone with a couple of years experience, plug him in and have him for a couple of years then find the next guy to take his place. You can't have a superstar at every position. It is called free agency. What about this? What about that? Grow a pair and play football.

[JetSkins]

the pickup is great help to portis, won't have to shoulder the load by himself all season

[da#1skinsfan]

This means we have a fresh, healthy Clinton Portis for 4 quarters in a game and a big bruising change of pace back.

Come the end of the 3rd quarter, that D line will be so worn down from TJ and exhausted from Portis that CP will have his way with them. No more 4th quarter failures here...

This opens the door for Portis to excel as much as it takes away from his production. And in the end, the team benefits, and thats what matters the most.

[H-O-G]

This means Portis' fantasy stock goes down and Dunn's goes up. :laugh:


ironic eh?..

[JoeSkins]

How will Portis' Stock go down? Dunn had the best season of his career last year. Id still take Portis over anyone not named LT, LJ or ALexander

Then you're going to get a back who is getting his TD total cut into by Duckett. Dunn no longer has that problem. It's a pretty basic concept.

[JetSkins]

I don't think Duckett will cut into Portis' TDs that much, Portis is the still the feature back.

[JoeSkins]

I don't think Duckett will cut into Portis' TDs that much, Portis is the still the feature back.

If you're inside the 5, you wouldn't give it to the 250-pound guy following the 280-pound guy?

[matty dread]

I don't think this trade means anything for Portis, other than we now have a bruising short yardage and goal line back to help take some of the pounding off of him.

What I think is this means Betts is probably gone. While I think the staff likes him, he's just too unreliable due to injuries to be counted on over the course of the entire season, and he's a bit mislabeled as being a power back. Duckett is a power back, Betts is a tweener.

[Playmaker89]

I thought we had a crowded backfield before. Now we've added another face to the crowd. I don't think its a bad thing by any means but I kinda feel for Betts. I like the move for an insurance policy but I think Betts is one of the top backups in the league. A healthy CP will get 25+ carries a game so that leaves Duckett and Betts to split the other 10-15 carries per. I personally like Betts a little more than Duckett. I do like Duckett though, especially around the goalline. He definatley has a nose for the endzone. I understand that this move is more of an insurance policy than anything else, but I just hope this doesn't take away Betts' carries or get him traded. Offensive line help is needed, but not at the expense of Ladell. As long as we don't trade Betts our backfield will probably look something like this:

HB
Portis
Betts (or Duckett)
Duckett (or Betts)
Cartwright*

FB
Sellers
Cartwright*


I think this move means that we keep those 5 backs, probably sending Broughton back to the practice squad. This leaves Lumsden and White on the outside looking in, most likely to be cut. The deal also means that Rock probably won't see any playing time at all other than special teams, barring an injury to Sellers or a trade of Betts. Like I said, I like the trade from an insurance policy standpoint, but I hope Betts still gets his opportunities to make plays. Thoughts?

[red78skin2]

OK ... I read enough comments and its quite clear... why this move was made... OUR goal is to win the super bowl... A Healthy fresh portis in December, Jan. & Feb will be needed to achieve a Superbowl victory... GIBBS is all about putting the best product on the field...... AND THE TIME IS NOW...

[jwebst1]

I also think that a good problem NOT to have is.... minimal draft picks in rounds 1-4.

Listen, I understand what you're saying and agree.... but in the salary cap era you just can't trade all that we did for an "insurance policy"... if you could, we wouldn't be the only team doing what we just did..... I just think it's too much. I'm sorry, I just do.....

Give up Patten, give up another player, but don't keep giving away our picks... please.

[jimster]

It aint going to be 43 either. 43 was Larry Brown's number and it is one of the "unofficial" retired numbers.

I realize that, but Gibbs has allowed 43 to be worn the last 2 pre-seasons

[Skin Patrol]

This should be great news for Portis. Duckett will pick up some goal line/short yardage looks 4-7 times a game. Since these are dogpile tackles, that's a significant amount of wear and tear that Portis can avoid, increasing the length of his career.

The only possible complaint he might have is that it takes away his TD totals; but Portis is currently one of the highest paid RBs in NFL history. Why would he care? It's not like we're trying to lower his salary or decreasing his value.

I also think Betts can stay. He's still a great third down back. It will be:
Portis
Betts
Duckett
Cartwright
Sellers

[budski]

Our backfield is beginning to outweigh the O-line.

[blloyd33]

Real fast, name three 3rd or 4th rounders that you love.

Too late.

[MarkPSkins]

Why is this a new thread?? WHHHHYYYYYYY?

[skinsrbeast]

RB
portis
duckett
betts
cartwright
(bye any other running back)

FB
Sellers
Broughton/White (most likely broughton)

[dinamo]

This trade is good for Portis. Will keep him fresh. However, TDs will go to Ducket on goal-line situations. And Portis' fantasy value will drop. But who cares about fantasy when this is good for Redskins??? The only question I have is Protis' injury more serious then we know of it? I guess Betts ot Rock may be traded. We won't keep a backfield with 6 RBs.

[NebraSKIN]

Maybe the contract negotiations are not going well with Betts.

[bulldog]

I think Betts' history of injuries and the inability of the team to get him resigned to a new contract gave the Skins a chance to re-consider the backfield and how they were going to manage the talent there.

Portis is likely going to benefit from the trade and should be fresher at the end of the season. Duckett meanwhile gets the chance to pick up carries (which he hasn't gotten in Atlanta) and be on a team where he can be a higher profile player. That will help him in his negotiations for a new contract.

If he plays well I think the Redskins will resign him and give him a nice chunk of change to stay in Washington after the season.

At the same time that means the likely departure of Betts. If Duckett shows well here I think Betts may very well be traded.

[headhunter39]

i was under the impression that they were gonna try to make sellers the short yardage back. RB was supposed to be the deepest position on our team and now we get another one

[HailSkinz1]

Seems to me a third rounder is a little much for Duckett, who is a back up or role player at best (we got what, a 6th rounder for Ramsey, a potential starting QB??). I don't know...maybe Portis's injury is more serious than they let on, but I think we keep getting fleeced with the trades (especially with Denver).

But I really just want to give props to the ES member who, several days ago before any Duckett rumors surfaced, said he had some information (heresay) that the Redskins were talking about a three way trade. And of course, several of the less considerate ES members blasted him and ridiculed the thought.

Well, here's to you, who ever you are! :cheers: (I tried searching for the post but kept receiving page errors).

Hail,

H

[shakazullo]

To make room for T.J. Duckett the Redskins will have to cut someone? Who wants to guess on whom it will be? I say Jonothan Combs.

[blloyd33]

Bulldog
Please stop making these accurate assessments.
headhunter
Deep? Betts inout / injured part of every season. Our number 3 is Rock and 3 projects behind him.
JMHO

[asnpcwiz]

My guess would be Nemo (is he on the team yet?!), Rock, or A.J. Harris.

[Mickalino]

AJ Harris will be kept as a tackling dummy

[JetSkins]

I think Rock could be on his out

[memrc]

I think Rock could be on his out

Rock signed a contract this off season, so I don’t think it would be him.

[sleazye]

I'm upset that Duckett will not be included on the default rosters in madden 07

[Sherlock Holmes]

Having thought about it a bit more, there seems to be two scenarios:

- If Betts is traded for one reason or another, the chart will probably be:

RB - Portis
Duckett
Cartwright ( FB? )

- If Betts stays then:

RB - Portis
Betts
Duckett ( third down's and goal line )

[jnhay]

This means Portis' fantasy stock goes down and Dunn's goes up. :laugh:
Meh, I'm still happy I got him as my 8th pick. He's going to get 20 carries a game maybe, just like he wants, and he'll get his TDs.