Recent moves impact 2002 draft

[Lead Blocker]

This is for the draft heads out there.

Originally in the first 2 rounds of the 2002 draft, Washington came out with Patrick Ramsey (1st round – 32) and L. Betts (2nd round – 56).

However, look how the recent moves have improved that year’s draft.
Washington has 2 more players from the 1st round: TJ Duckett (18) and Mike Rumph (27)
In addition to Betts, in the second we gained: Portis (51) and Randle El (62)

That’s an unheard of 6 picks in the first 2 rounds of a recent draft with 5 remaining on the roster. Looking at it, that’s a lot of college talent that has gained Sunday experience before joining Washington.

I think this goes towards JG philosophy of investing in young talent once it is battle tested in the NFL and not necessarily in the current draft. What are your thoughts on this philosophy verses the traditional “build through the draft” philosophy?

[jtyler42]

Thats actually pretty interesting...I never looked at it like that...I bet if you look at our roster we prolly have alot of former 1st and 2nd round picks starting for us...

JG was supposed to be out of touch w/how the NFL works now but if he continues to be successful with this philosophy you'll start to see others around the league copying it...After all the NFL is a copy cat league...

[terpfan]

Interesting example, but Im sure this happens alot around the league. The majority of 1st and second round guys arent really first or second roung talents.

[MLSKINS]

Good thread, I never would have thought of that.

[praise_gibbs]

So, you are saying that the Skins are not really 'trading our picks away'? ;)

We are just drafting a little later than everyone else? :silly:


If so, then I say you are on point with this thread. Excellent idea behind it. :applause:

[FunBunch7]

[We are just drafting a little later than everyone else? :silly:

You said it perfect right there! My props!

It's really the smarter way to go. Even though to get those former 2nd rounders and late 1sts, you have to pay them a bit more on their 2nd contracts, you don't have to over invest in them before they have proven anything. Granted, they're not ALL Pro Bowlers, but you don't need to get ALL Pro Bowlers...just situational role players...and sometimes for cheap.

[THEface]

Andre Carter was picked 7th overall!

[Jimbo]

Nice research. I also find it interesting that the Skins once owned that #18 pick (where Duckett was taken by Atlanta) during the series of 1st round trade-downs where we eventually drafted Ramsey at #32.

I also find it interesting that, of the QB's taken in round 1, only David Carr is still with the team that drafted him.

[praise_gibbs]

[We are just drafting a little later than everyone else? :silly:

You said it perfect right there! My props!

It's really the smarter way to go. Even though to get those former 2nd rounders and late 1sts, you have to pay them a bit more on their 2nd contracts, you don't have to over invest in them before they have proven anything. Granted, they're not ALL Pro Bowlers, but you don't need to get ALL Pro Bowlers...just situational role players...and sometimes for cheap.


Correct. If you can get a player who has already adapted to the NFL for basically a 3rd and/or 4th round draft pick, when in reality, they were a first or second round pick when they were first drafted-- No way in hell do you pass on that! Sure you more than likely will have to fork over a little more money on occasion for the already adapted player than you would if you drafted them right out of college but, on the plus side, you are not gambling as much there. There are way too many first round busts in the NFL anymore. I say that we continue to 'draft' as we are currently. Lets wait until said player has adapted and see if he sinks or swims in the NFL. Much less of a head case this way. :2cents:

[Lead Blocker]

Andre Carter was picked 7th overall!

Yeah, that means out of the 2001 class of 1st rounders Washington now has:
Andre Carter (7)
Santana Moss (16)
Adam Archuleta (20)

When its original pick was #15 Rod Gardner. Looks like they came out better this way, huh?

Also, the team did not have a 3rd rounder that year. Yet, now they have Casey Rabach (92) starting at center for them now.

[Lead Blocker]

We are just drafting a little later than everyone else? :silly:



Longest scouting combine ever :laugh:

[Lead Blocker]

There are way too many first round busts in the NFL anymore. I say that we continue to 'draft' as we are currently. Lets wait until said player has adapted and see if he sinks or swims in the NFL. Much less of a head case this way. :2cents:

From what I remember JG perfered Sunday ready - battle tested players during his first time around with the team as well. This philosophy worked well then and I don't see any reason for it to not have similar success now.

[RIDETHEWALRUS]

Yeah, but our 1st and second rounders include...Rumph, Duckett, Betts, and Ramsey. All 4 of whom could easily be considered busts to this point in their career. Hopefully the two new additions can revitalize their career here.

[bubba9497]

no no no :nono:

keeping the pics, to lose them to another team after you groomed them,(if they pan out at all) is much smarter way to build a team :laugh:

[Lead Blocker]

Yeah, but our 1st and second rounders include...Rumph, Duckett, Betts, and Ramsey. All 4 of whom could easily be considered busts to this point in their career. Hopefully the two new additions can revitalize their career here.

OK, but what about our 2001 1st rounders:
Andre Carter (7)
Santana Moss (16)
Adam Archuleta (20)

When we could have ended up with only Rod Gardner

[Aghar]

Excellent thread. Never would have looked at everything this way unless someone pointed it out to me. :applause:

[Blue Collar Skins]

Excellent thread and way of looking at it.

[Blue Collar Skins]

From what I remember JG perfered Sunday readyWhat's wrong with being Monday ready / tested? Do you guys have something against Monday Night games? Poor Monday Night games. Cast aside like someone trash. Oh the humanity! :D

[Art Monk Fan]

O.K., so who here's got the time and energy to go through all of Gibb's personnel moves since coming back and revising the appropriate drafts? Not only does he right the ship and set us up for the future, Gibbs retroactively upgrades drafts that ocurred while he was running a racing team -- genius!

[Lead Blocker]

What's wrong with being Monday ready / tested? Do you guys have something against Monday Night games? Poor Monday Night games. Cast aside like someone trash. Oh the humanity! :D


Mondays are the week's little red headed step child :laugh:

[Aghar]

O.K., so who here's got the time and energy to go through all of Gibb's personnel moves since coming back and revising the appropriate drafts? Not only does he right the ship and set us up for the future, Gibbs retroactively upgrades drafts that ocurred while he was running a racing team -- genius!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

[Lead Blocker]

Great post(s) lead blocker ... your analysis certainly gives credence to the trade- draft-picks-for-proven-veterans crowd. But how do you answer the critics that say this top loading of veteran talent exacts a haevy price beacuse the Skins have little or no back-up talent behind the first stringers?

I look at that two ways.

1) A number of these moves have been for backup players that can not only contribute but coaches could feel comfortable with if they had to start. (Rumph, Randle El, & Duckett seem to fit that class of player)

2) This explains the extremely high emphasis on experienced coaches on the team. Coaches with the knowledge and ability to get to scheme and prepare young players like the 'Ryan Clark & Lemar Marshall' types to perform beyond most analysts expectations when called upon.

[fnkdctr(007)]

The skins do have a lot of !st-2nd round talent that hasn't produced much in the nfl.
Theyve gotten rid of !rst round talent like Gardner and Ramsey that can't produce either.
Hopefully these guys live up to their potential.

[MikeSellers45]

Very smart philosophy. That is why JG is the best coach in the NFL.

[Lead Blocker]

Very smart philosophy. That is why JG is the best coach in the NFL.

I couldn't read what you wrote. For some reason I was distracted. :D