If Jesse Lumsden has a good game this Saturday...ramifications are? (merged)

[inmate running the asylum]

If Jesse Lumsden plays and has a good game against New England this Saturday, I think that Ladell Betts might be traded. What's a good game? Oh something like playing with and against the 1st stringers and having 10 carries for 50-60 yards against their 1st team.

If Lumsden only has a mediocre or poor game, then I think he probably will be cut later and then be resigned to the practice squad.

I doubt 4 RB's will make the final roster like last year -- Portis, Betts, Cartwright and Broughton (who was mostly inactive on game day).

The Redskins now have 4 quality RB's - Portis, Betts, Duckett and Lumsden, plus two quality FB's - Sellers and Cartwright. So I can't see the Redskins keeping more than a total of 5 RB's. Even as it is, I don't see Broughton and White making the final roster, although I think Broughton still has potential and hope he winds up on the practice squad.

I'm also not so sure the Redskins can resign BOTH Betts and Duckett for 2007, who are in the last years of their contracts. I have doubts that either one wants to be the designated #3 back, although enough money on the table always does wonders.

I like Betts but I doubt he could hold up physically as a starter over a 16 game schedule. He has been too injury prone during his stay here, so if we lose him next year to free agency, I would rather retain Duckett.

What do you guys think? :munchout:

[spanishomelette]

Duckett is quite an investment at this point. By the way are we to assume that Duckett's last contract will be voided? What if he plays a lot this year? Maybe the 2007 year will not be voidable. If Duckett was going to be around, then Betts being traded seemed more likely. But if the contract situation is the same, I don't know why you'd get Duckett, and then trade Betts. Unless one really thinks Duckett is a lot better or perhaps less of an injury risk.

Your scenario seems plausible. I just don't know how much Lumsden really figures into this equation. 1 preseason game will tell the tale? I haven't seen enough to call him a quality back.

Rock seems a better fit at tailback.

[Jibby]

Lumsden is done. He didn't get into last week's game until the final minutes, and that shows you how highly the coaches think of him.

I doubt he'll play until the 4th quarter this week, and then he'll get his walking papers.

The guy pushed out here isn't Betts or Cartwright, it's Broughton.

[inmate running the asylum]

Duckett is quite an investment at this point. By the way are we to assume that Duckett's last contract will be voided? What if he plays a lot this year? Maybe the 2007 year will not be voidable. If Duckett was going to be around, then Betts being traded seemed more likely. But if the contract situation is the same, I don't know why you'd get Duckett, and then trade Betts. Unless one really thinks Duckett is a lot better or perhaps less of an injury risk.

Your scenario seems plausible. I just don't know how much Lumsden really figures into this equation. 1 preseason game will tell the tale? I haven't seen enough to call him a quality back.

Rock seems a better fit at tailback.

According to NFLPA.org, Duckett is signed for both 2006 and 2007. But several newspapers have indicated that Duckett is in the last year of his contract. Do they know something we don't? Or did Duckett meet some prior incentives that void the 2007 year of the contract? :whoknows:

As for Lumsden, I'm calling him a quality back at this point, only because Joe Gibbs has praised him this summer. And he looked good in the Baltimore scrimmage and had 1 carry against the NY Jets for 6 yards. Is he a proven quality NFL back? Not yet. But with a real good game against New England and later Baltimore, he could make it hard for the Redskins to cut him. This could be a good problem to have. :D

[inmate running the asylum]

Lumsden is done. He didn't get into last week's game until the final minutes, and that shows you how highly the coaches think of him.

I doubt he'll play until the 4th quarter this week, and then he'll get his walking papers.

The guy pushed out here isn't Betts or Cartwright, it's Broughton.

You could be right of course, but I have a hunch that with Betts nicked, that Lumsden might play quite a bit with the regulars this Saturday. Broughton got his chance against the NY Jets and didn't deliver, although I still think he has enough potential to make the practice squad. With respect to Cartwright, the coaches already know what he can do. :)

[Jibby]

You could be right of course, but I have a hunch that with Betts nicked, that Lumsden might play quite a bit with the regulars this Saturday. Broughton got his chance against the NY Jets and didn't deliver, although I still think he has enough potential to make the practice squad. With respect to Cartwright, the coaches already know what he can do. :)

Portis won't play, and you're right that Betts might not. Duckett will get some carries though, as will Cartwright, and then Broughton will get a big look I think. Broughton is like a coaches pet, and they'll want to give him every opportunity.

Then Lumsden. Even if Betts doesn't play, he's behind 3 other guys.

[Trevor]

There is absolutely no chance that the great white hope makes the team at this point. Perhaps the practice squad but I'm not sure he would want that.

[Ingtar]

We would not have picked up Duckett if the coaching staff believed in Lumsden or Broughton.

[Jibby]

There is absolutely no chance that the great white hope makes the team at this point. Perhaps the practice squad but I'm not sure he would want that.

I'd say even practice squad is a longshot. With the trade for Duckett it looks like we're keeping 4 tailbacks. Broughton is probably a practice squader now. Wouldn't make sense to keep 2 tailbacks on the psquad when you have 4 on the active roster.

If he was offered practice squad though, I'm sure he'd take it. Better than being unemployed.

[spanishomelette]

Don't forget the other great White hope...Manuel jr.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

How about if he has a good game he EARNS a spot on the practice sqaud :doh: enough of the great white hype. Is he opening eyes? yes that is because he came from Canada. Is he solid? maybe Could he start in this league in the next year or two? HELL no

[Jibby]

I was hoping Manuel would get a real shot to make the team, since he's the only person who could concievably fill Mike Sellers' role if he were to get hurt. But I can't see any way we can keep 4 tailbacks and two fullbacks. We'd probably have to keep only 2 tight ends to do that, and given the amount of 2 TE formations, that'd be a very risky thing to do.

[Blondie]

I wonder who will be the "official" number 2 back.

BOTH Betts and TJ are #2 backs.

Blondie

[blloyd33]

Cuts can't come fast enough for me.
Clear the dead wood and lets see who will be on the roster this year.
Not to be hard but, enough of the project runningbacks.
Now we have some guys that have proven that they can carry the ball lets move on.
Shake their hand and wish them well.
JMHO

[inmate running the asylum]

I still think Lumsden has a shot to make the team, if he has a good showing in the last two preseason games. He probably won't get much of a chance against New England, unless he plays with the regulars.

Just 3 weeks ago Joe Gibbs was praising Lumsden and then he had a hip flexor problem which kept him out of practice about a week. From the article below it seems to me that he can also play special teams.

I wonder if the Skins can stash him on Injured Reserve? :laugh:

I hope the kid makes it with us. :cry: He might be a good replacement in 2007 for Betts, if Betts doesn't resign with us.


Lumsden Makes Impression In Scrimmage
By Gary Fitzgerald - Redskins.com
August 5, 2006

Jesse Lumsden took a handoff and broke to the right. Solid blocking up front allowed Lumsen to cut through the line of scrimmage. He slipped through a tackle and ran into the end zone for a 12-yard touchdown run. Lumsden, a first-year player hoping to earn a roster spot with the Redskins, has opened eyes during training camp.

Joe Gibbs has certainly taken notice.
"In every single work day, there hasn't been a day where we have looked at the film and didn't say, 'This guy is quick,'" Gibbs said. "[Special teams coordinator] Danny Smith likes him on special teams. He's very smart. We'll give him some key roles which I think he could fill. "There hasn't been a practice where he hasn't done something to catch somebody's eye, so I'd say he is one of the guys we're really looking at. He's a promising young guy and he deserves some work."

Lumsden knows he has made an impression, but he doesn't want to lose sight of his goal to make the 53-man roster. It's a challenge, to be sure. The Redskins have strong depth at running back, with veterans Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright ahead of him. "I'm just going to keep working hard," he said. "Hopefully that'll take me in the right direction."

Lumsden is a 6-2, 219-pound running back who has shown solid speed, strong push running into piles and an ability to break tackles. In the scrimmage, Lumsden had six carries for 32 yards. During 7-on-7 work, he caught a screen pass with blockers in front and weaved his way down the sideline for a long gain. The play was called back due to a holding call, however. Lumsden's close friend, running back Kerry Carter, is also competing for a roster spot. Lumsden and Carter both hail from Canada and were members of the Seattle Seahawks training camp roster in 2005. Carter also impressed in the scrimmage, logging 20 yards rushing on three carries. He also caught two passes for 14 yards.

Lumsden has spent a great deal of time working on his special teams skills this preseason. For now, he is contributing on punt and kickoff coverage units. In the scrimmage, Lumsden believes he may have learned more playing special teams than he did on the offensive side of the ball. "It gives you a chance to get downfield and see how things are going to start setting up and how things are going to start developing," he said. "The scrimmage idea is great. You get a little tired of hitting your own teammates [in practice]. You get a chance to get pumped up and hit some other people. You get a lot of positives out of it."

[degreez3deep]

give up on lumsden guys lol he runs straight up

[tr1]

Wasn't the team trying to re-sign Betts? If he's balking, then all of this makes sense, and I'd expect him to be traded.

I think Rock is in the same place as last year, battling it out with whomever comes in the door. If Lumsden plays well on ST, he could stick. If Betts gets traded, he does stick.

[inmate running the asylum]

give up on lumsden guys lol he runs straight up

What's wrong with running straight up? I seem to remember a guy named Eric Dickerson used to run straight up too. He didn't turn out too bad. :laugh:

[illone]

I could see us listing Duckett in the FB spot, too.

Portis, Betts, and Rock - RB

Sellers, Duckett - FB

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I wonder who will be the "official" number 2 back.

BOTH Betts and TJ are #2 backs.

Blondie

Man, it's going to take me a while to shed this whole "TJ" stands for "Taylor Jacobs". I'm like, "TJ doesn't play for this team anymore!" :applause:

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Seriously though, why are we still so enamoured with Lumsden? The way he gets talked about, you'd think that his supporters would be SUPER pissed if he didn't start right away. In the VERY best situation, he'd be the number three back and you'd hardly see him play. And when he DID, it would be against first team defenses.

[inmate running the asylum]

Seriously though, why are we still so enamoured with Lumsden? The way he gets talked about, you'd think that his supporters would be SUPER pissed if he didn't start right away. In the VERY best situation, he'd be the number three back and you'd hardly see him play. And when he DID, it would be against first team defenses.

Because as that wise old coach George Allen used to say: "Because of injuries, you can never have enough good running backs." Besides, Lumsden might make a good replacement for Betts in 2007, if Betts doesn't resign. :)

[artmonkforHOF]

As much as I hate to admit it, Lumsden is done on this team. With Duckett in the mix, TJ fills the role Jesse was brought in to try out for.


Jesse is not a 3rd down back but becasue of his size, thats what he is viewed as, which is a shame.

My only hope now is that they cut jesse quick enough so he can play in the labour day game in Hamilton.

For Jesse's sake, I hope he stays in the CFL for at least a full season, or maybe 2 before he tries the NFL again.

Going to an NFL camp then coming back to the CFL for 6 or so games really wont help his career. I think if puts together a full season in the CFL, he will be able to showcase what he has and could even lead the Pass happy CFL in rushing.

Good luck Jesse, I'll be cheering for you wherever you end up.:point2sky

[inmate running the asylum]

Seriously though, why are we still so enamoured with Lumsden? The way he gets talked about, you'd think that his supporters would be SUPER pissed if he didn't start right away. In the VERY best situation, he'd be the number three back and you'd hardly see him play. And when he DID, it would be against first team defenses.

Because as that wise old coach George Allen used to say: "Because of injuries, you can never have enough good running backs." Besides, Lumsden might make a good replacement for Betts in 2007, if Betts doesn't resign. :)

And he's from Canada and my favorite program used to be "Sgt. Preston of the Yukon and his dog Spot." Or was the dog named Rinny Tin Tink? :paranoid:

Die Hard who is from Canada would know, but he's probably out hunting woodpeckers again. :paranoid:

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Or making that goddamn maple syrup!! :D

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Because as that wise old coach George Allen used to say: "Because of injuries, you can never have enough good running backs." Besides, Lumsden might make a good replacement for Betts in 2007, if Betts doesn't resign. :)

You don't think that's what TJ was brought in for?

[Cskin]

I think the FO knows what they're doing.... and I'm betting alot of this is predicated on Betts balking at an extension. I think it's quite possible that if a RB goes down these last two weeks that Betts gets traded for the same 3rd rounder we just gave to the Broncos.

As for the depth chart at RB... let's just be patient and wait for cut down day. One thing to consider is that Lumsden was signed to a two year deal.... and whether that is an indication he sticks is debateable.

[KingGibbs]

I don't understand the man crush on Lumsden. While I certainly would like to see him succeed, remind me again on what exaclty he has done thus far to earn a spot on the team?

[Sherlock Holmes]

Portis
Betts
Ducket
Lumsden

FB- Sellers
Cartwright

Bye Bye Nemo and White :(

[dwills1]

LOL! Another Lusmden thread huh? You actually think he's going to be our back up RB huh? Unless we trade TJ Duckett or Betts, Lumsden will be playing in the CFL next year. Would you people stop it with this guy already?

[JoeSkins]

I think we have our four running backs set. The only changes to that group will come after this year when Betts is a free agent. :2cents:

[matty dread]

Lumsden is done. People have once again fallen in love with a training camp warm body. He's not going to make the team.

[blloyd33]

The ramificatons are.. if Lump has good game he gets a first class bus ticket out of town. If not he travels coach back to Canada.

[WallyG3]

Because as that wise old coach George Allen used to say: "Because of injuries, you can never have enough good running backs." Besides, Lumsden might make a good replacement for Betts in 2007, if Betts doesn't resign. :)



So here's a conspiracy theory for you, inmate:

We didn't play Lumsden much last week AND will not again this week on purpose so that he can be cut and nobody else will sign him.

THEN we can sign him to our practice squad. Next year, when Betts gets his nice FA contract, Lumsden will make the team and be a nice backup.

If we play him now and he sparks, somebody else will snatch him up before we can get him to the practice squad.

[Leonard Washington]

i think nemo and lumsden will be cut regardless.

[Stew]

Portis
Betts
Ducket
Lumsden

FB- Sellers
Cartwright

Bye Bye Nemo and White :(


Exactly. I thought Rock was listed as a FB, if that were the case then the line up should look like what Serlock Holmes up there stated. Rock #2 behind Sellers at FB then Duckett, Betts (if not traded) and then Lumsden. Lumsden signed a two year contract. I think we will see him on the active roster this season. :2cents:

[chiramu]

Duckett guys weighs as much as Jerome Bettis (255 pounds). And is > 10lbs heavier than Mike Alstott. We've got our own Bus to ride to the superbowl.

[bulldog]

Lumsden to me is out of the picture regarding competition for a roster spot. I don't know if after having been on the Seahawks roster in 2004 he is eligible for the practice squad but that would appear to be his only chance of staying in town.

[[[ghost]]]

Poor guy Lumsden. I really wanted to see him turn his CFL game into the real deal.

[BleedBNG]

So here's a conspiracy theory for you, inmate:

We didn't play Lumsden much last week AND will not again this week on purpose so that he can be cut and nobody else will sign him.

THEN we can sign him to our practice squad. Next year, when Betts gets his nice FA contract, Lumsden will make the team and be a nice backup.

If we play him now and he sparks, somebody else will snatch him up before we can get him to the practice squad.
This was what I was thinking at first. But then I thought... he may not want to spend his time on the PS. He may want to go back and play for the TCats while sorta hiding up there. But in any case, I like Sherlock Holmes lineup. The coaches may not like it, but I sure do. I feel that Lumsden, while being #4 on the depth chart, could be a playmaker on certain critical plays if sent in to do the task. Sorta like Sellers at FB.

[Newera]

The brass wanted a big power back. Gibbs always likes a big power back and really have not had one. I think this trade was brought on because they don't think Nemo is going to be the answer there.

Lumsden's only chance is to show well in at least one of the last two preseason games. His comptetion is really Cartwright. I also have a sneaky suspiscion we may entertain trades for Betts now.

[inmate running the asylum]

Lumsden to me is out of the picture regarding competition for a roster spot. I don't know if after having been on the Seahawks roster in 2004 he is eligible for the practice squad but that would appear to be his only chance of staying in town.

Lumsden is eligible for 2 years on our practice squad, because he was cut last year (injury), before the Seahawks first preseason game. He was never on the Seahawks final roster or practice squad. Last week's one carry against the Jets was his first NFL game ever. :)

[Peregrine]

Yeah itll be an interesting situation. I personaly think that the skins wil ltake 4 HBs and 2 FBs into the regular season. The FBs being Sellers and White, and the RBs being Portis, Betts, Ducket, and a toss up between Cartwright and Lumsden. Lumsden has more future potential, but Rock is a proven contributer. I dont think Nemo makes the roster.

[BleedBNG]

Just a curious question, if anyone can answer me on this:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=9886
Breaking Down the Final Roster Cuts
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
September 3, 2005

-- RUNNING BACK
It was thought that Rock Cartwright and seventh-round draft pick Nehemiah Broughton were competing for one roster spot, but they both made it, meaning the Redskins will carry four running backs.

Carrying four running backs likely forced coaches to adjust the numbers at other positions on offense.
__________________________________________________ ___________

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=15061
Redskins' Free Agents Include 3 Starters
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
January 18, 2006

Rock Cartwright, RB
The Redskins carried four running backs last season--most teams carried three--because Cartwright is so integral on special teams.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Q: Why do they say 4 RB's when Rock was slated as a FB last year?
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/players.nsf/ID/08320389
http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/2005-was

[bulldog]

how can anyone say at this point that Lumsden has better upside potential than Cartwright?

Cartwright has rushed for 100 yards in an NFL game and has been a special teams standout here for 4 years while Lumsden has failed to ever make an NFL season roster :laugh:

I know people have their favorite players and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's at least try to reason out our arguments about who is going to make it and why.

Unless you have an open pipeline to the coaching staff and know something we don't, I can't see how anyone could post about the definite potential of an undrafted free agent who hasn't seen the field in any extended time to knock off the roster a veteran who has peformed at a solid pace in the NFL.

[Monte51Coleman]

Lumsden is not an NFL caliber player. Either is Nemo. They will both be gone.

[aqq]

Lets get over this Lumsden thing guys...he is going to be cut

[bulldog]

sorry folks, Lumsden might be 6'2 and white but the comparisons to John Riggins end there :laugh:

[trippnbillie03]

I don't understand why a seemingly big amount of posters on this website have such a hard on for this kid. If this trade for Duckett goes through, there is probably a 10% chance that he makes the squad. There is no way the coaching staff picks him over Betts or Rock.

He just seems like potential to me. Potential that isn't going to get any better on our team because we have too many good young players who are ahead of him. Who cares if he ran a 108 yrd run? He isn't going to do it in the NFL. Every time I am on this message board (4-5 times a day), I see some new post devoted to his chances of making the team or his performance in camp.

I would rather root for a guy like Rock who had potential and makes a big enough splash to impress the coaches every offseason. Start rooting for the players who are gonna make the team and have a big impact on a possibly very exciting season. The best thing for Jesse Lumsden is a chance to show his skills on another team who isn't stacked at his position.

[Jibby]

papa lumsden

[bubba9497]

Every year there's a bubble guy that fans root for to make it

[inmate running the asylum]

Just a curious question, if anyone can answer me on this:

Q: Why do they say 4 RB's when Rock was slated as a FB last year?


You say Rock was "slated" as a FB last year, but neither Rock nor Nemo played FB last year. Although Rock has and can play FB, both he and Nemo were used from the tailback position last year. This year its different or could be.

Nemo is playing FB and has to make it as a FB now. Rock could wind up as the backup FB or a backup tailback, depending on how Joe Gibbs wants to carve up the roster. :)

[SantanaClaus89]

Right, bubba, for me it's Espy

[Pool Shark]

good thing you made a whole other thread to talk about this because it definately doesn't fit into any of the 500 other threads already out

[illone]

It's typical underdog player that the fans like to root for.

He won't make it and be forgotten by week 2.

[bulldog]

Rock is down to 217 to play tailback from over 230. I don't see him being able to play FB as an insurance policy in 2006.

[SantanaClaus89]

WHAT????!! Lumsden ISN'T God???

[skinny21]

Seriously though, why are we still so enamoured with Lumsden? The way he gets talked about, you'd think that his supporters would be SUPER pissed if he didn't start right away. In the VERY best situation, he'd be the number three back and you'd hardly see him play. And when he DID, it would be against first team defenses.


Ironically, I think the whole reason Lumsden is talked about so much is because of his detractors. People like myself who think it unlikely he makes the team are sticking up for him against those who say he is terrible or has no chance. EVERYONE has a chance, but there are still those who refuse to accept this.

Were everyone to just say "we'll see" in response the the question of whether Jesse can/will make it, I don't think we'd see even 1/10 of the posts on this subject.

However, when someone comes on the board and says he sucks because he runs upright, or because the coaches haven't played him, or because he "only" played in the cfl, it leads me and others to defend him. Why the hell would someone say, "you only care about him because he's white"? It's ignorant to assume others are ignorant.

Lastly, and the most amusing to me personally, are those bothering to post the question "why are we still talking about him!" (you are a part of this thread too!)... ahh, good old irony. :2cents:

[BleedBNG]

You say Rock was "slated" as a FB last year, but neither Rock nor Nemo played FB last year. Although Rock has and can play FB, both he and Nemo were used from the tailback position last year. This year its different or could be.

Nemo is playing FB and has to make it as a FB now. Rock could wind up as the backup FB or a backup tailback, depending on how Joe Gibbs wants to carve up the roster. :)
Ok thanx inmate. They had him (Rock) listed as a FB on the roster last year so I wasn't sure how they used him.

[Hooper]

This Jesse Lumsden threads are hysterical. At last count, I think are at least 25 other running backs on the skins roster ahead of him. I guess everbody just loves to root for the white running back or something.

[BleedBNG]

... I can't see how anyone could post about the definite potential of an undrafted free agent who hasn't seen the field in any extended time to knock off the roster a veteran who has peformed at a solid pace in the NFL.
So drafted rookie RB's get a break and are automatically labeled definite potentials? Just because of the money?

[BleedBNG]

Why the hell would someone say, "you only care about him because he's white"? It's ignorant to assume others are ignorant.
Yeah, I'm white and I could care less if he were orange.

[inmate running the asylum]

good thing you made a whole other thread to talk about this because it definately doesn't fit into any of the 500 other threads already out


Yeah, glad you agree. That was my thinking on it too. :laugh:

Especially, when the alternative was to wade through 42,000 other posts on other threads on Lumsden. :paranoid:

[UltimateSkins]

Lumsden's days are numbered. Get over it already.

[dwills1]

Let me use a Gibbism....."up here....you gotta prove yourself on offense and on teams....I think the world of Jesse..I really do...he's a great character guy...but there is no way we can fit him into our roster with the talent we have....so we need to find out what's best for him....boy I tell ya....the kid fights his gutts out...he'll be great in the CFL next year I tell ya that! He fights super hard..."

[blloyd33]

Let him fight for a seat on the bus heading north. He had a shot.

[bensdad]

Mid to long term, does Lumsden have something to do with this trade? He proved he can play ST last week. Bringing in Duckett guarantees Betts and Cartwright are gone by next year.

[dwills1]

Let me re-post this:

Let me use a Gibbism....."up here....you gotta prove yourself on offense and on teams....I think the world of Jesse..I really do...he's a great character guy...but there is no way we can fit him into our roster with the talent we have....so we need to find out what's best for him....boy I tell ya....the kid fights his gutts out...he'll be great in the CFL next year I tell ya that! He fights super hard..."

[lunarluau]

Lumsden,although he tries hard, will at best be relegated to NFL Europe.

[Scrimmage]

I can't tell if this Gibbsism is real text, or make-believe Joe talk. [Gibbs uses the word "real" when he means to say "very" ... i.e., this kid is real talented ... so I think this is fake.]

I'd be interested to see if WHO gets the tryout on kick returns. They cut Ataveus Cash to make room for Duckett. Jimmy Ferris is the other guy they have back there. Eubanks' name is on the depth chart, but I haven't seen him on the field for a kickoff.

In the off-season, when Derrick Dockery was talking about the pick up basket ball at Redskins Park on the Al Michael show on redskins.com, I thought he said that #37 was the fastest guy there (maybe he said fastest white guy). Anyway, maybe Lumsden has a shot at KOR.

[BleedBNG]

... on the Al Michael show on redskins.com...
:laugh:

Well, at least you didn't put an 's' at the end. :silly:

[drewski]

I would not be shocked if Lumsden did not see any action at all. I feel he is clearly on his way out. Too bad, but great for the CFL.

[StJoe4Life]

I don't understand the man crush on Lumsden. While I certainly would like to see him succeed, remind me again on what exaclty he has done thus far to earn a spot on the team?

For real. I've never seen anything indicating his NFL-caliber talent. I don't understand why people think he's a #3 RB. At all.

[Truant]

If Lumsden caught 6 balls out of the backfield I'd wonder about him replacing Betts.

Betts is our best PASS RECEIVING RUNNING BACK, no one seems to be addressing this issue.

[bensdad]

Lumsden has the fastest RB 40 in camp and the heart of a lion. The kid deserves at least 5 or 6 carries against the Pats.

[bulldog]

it may just be a coincidence but I thought I saw Jesse Lumsden down at the local Starbucks signing up for a training course as a barista that starts in September :evil:

[artmonkforHOF]

After the Duckett trade, I dont think it matters, unless someone gets shipped out, Jesse wont see much polaying time. If he does, then maybe he has a shot; CP, Betts, TJ, Sellers and ?. Im thinking 5 RB/FB in total on our roster, that leaves one spot for either Rock (the incumbant and favourite) Jesse and White.

Everyone points out Rocks special team play, but Jesse has seen a lot of practice time with all special teams units, and thats what he personally has been focusing on, he said so in an interview posted here not too long ago. And I heard the game last saturday, didint see it, but all posts on here lead to one conclusion: the ST's sucked and none of the coaches where happy about it. Did anyone notice if either Rock or Jesse was out there, especially on the Kickreturn TD?

I dont think Jesse will make this team for his ball carrying abilities, If he is in a skins uniform come September 11th, he will have shown that he is at least as valuable as Rock either out of the backfield or on ST's with some potential.

[Walking Deadman]

Lumsden is gone.

In my view he'd be #6 on the depth chart.......

Portis, Betts/Duckett, Cartwright, Nemo, Lumsden,etc.

Duckett and Betts are safe (I seriously doubt Betts will be traded barring any injury and somebody giving the Redskins something huge ie a #1 or #2 CB or a starter OL/DL)

Rock is safe b/c of his ST ability and he has shown he can fill in a pinch.

Nemo vs Lumsden (if either can make the squad, only 1 will- both might not)
Nemo wins. More experience better STer and still could be on practice squad.

Nope, Lumsden would have to have a stellar game to have a shot and even then probably will still be cut.

Duckett sealed the deal and the injury didn't help.

[UpNorth]

If Jesse Lumsden plays and has a good game against New England this Saturday, I think that Ladell Betts might be traded. What's a good game? Oh something like playing with and against the 1st stringers and having 10 carries for 50-60 yards against their 1st team.

If Lumsden only has a mediocre or poor game, then I think he probably will be cut later and then be resigned to the practice squad.

I doubt 4 RB's will make the final roster like last year -- Portis, Betts, Cartwright and Broughton (who was mostly inactive on game day).

The Redskins now have 4 quality RB's - Portis, Betts, Duckett and Lumsden, plus two quality FB's - Sellers and Cartwright. So I can't see the Redskins keeping more than a total of 5 RB's. Even as it is, I don't see Broughton and White making the final roster, although I think Broughton still has potential and hope he winds up on the practice squad.

I'm also not so sure the Redskins can resign BOTH Betts and Duckett for 2007, who are in the last years of their contracts. I have doubts that either one wants to be the designated #3 back, although enough money on the table always does wonders.

I like Betts but I doubt he could hold up physically as a starter over a 16 game schedule. He has been too injury prone during his stay here, so if we lose him next year to free agency, I would rather retain Duckett.

What do you guys think? :munchout:

If he does have a big game the best possible scenario in my opinion is that another team picks him up....unless they think he is a special teams ace in Washington.

[inmate running the asylum]

it may just be a coincidence but I thought I saw Jesse Lumsden down at the local Starbucks signing up for a training course as a barista that starts in September :evil:


Quit picking on the kid and get off my back. :paranoid: :laugh:

[allskinz]

practice squad at best...

[Smurf85]

Lumsden :peaceout: :peaceout: :peaceout:

[Bozman777]

I have to agree, Lumsdens gone. In this case no news is bad news. Havent heard his name mentioned lately.

[Redskinloyal_1]

Come on 10 carries for 50 or 60 yds is this reggie bush now or maybe lawerence maroney. This is a ridicoulous average for a 4th stringer if he could average 5 to 6 yds a carry against the patriots at home i think the colts would of signed him years ago. Get real people.

To answer the question he will be cut.

[UpNorth]

Come on 10 carries for 50 or 60 yds is this reggie bush now or maybe lawerence maroney. This is a ridicoulous average for a 4th stringer if he could average 5 to 6 yds a carry against the patriots at home i think the colts would of signed him years ago. Get real people.

To answer the question he will be cut.

Yeah he probably will be cu but he is capable of those numbers tomorrow....the guy is a real player, he proved it in camp before he had the hammy problem.

[inmate running the asylum]

Come on 10 carries for 50 or 60 yds is this reggie bush now or maybe lawerence maroney. This is a ridicoulous average for a 4th stringer if he could average 5 to 6 yds a carry against the patriots at home i think the colts would of signed him years ago. Get real people.

To answer the question he will be cut.

He may very well be cut because of our logjam at RB. Personally I hope Joe Gibbs stashes him on IR (hammy ;))if there is no room for him this year, so he can replace Betts in 2007.

But where have you been the last 25 years? There is nothing unusual about rookie RB's having a good game and averaging 5-6 yards or more per carry. It happens every year and you don't have to be Reggie Bush to do it either.
In fact I believe Lumsden had 6 carries for 36 yards (6 yard avg.) against the Ravens in the recent scrimmage. :doh:

[bulldog]

I am sure the same folks that are so upset over Jesse Lumsden are the same ones that were holding a torch for Sultan McCullough a couple of years ago.

Remember McCullough saying when he left that the Redskins would be sorry because he would go elsewhere and be a productive NFL running back?

Well, here we are. Where is he? :)

[inmate running the asylum]

I am sure the same folks that are so upset over Jesse Lumsden are the same ones that were holding a torch for Sultan McCullough a couple of years ago.

Remember McCullough saying when he left that the Redskins would be sorry because he would go elsewhere and be a productive NFL running back?

Well, here we are. Where is he? :)

Sultan has the ability to play in the NFL -- he rushed for over 100 yards last year in a game in the preseason for the Browns -- but evidently he has an attitude problem which he even had in college, which alienates coaches. Evidently, because he was a track STAR at USC and doesn't realize that in the NFL that doesn't buy you much.

If you will recall, Joe Gibbs first placed Sultan on the practice squad, but then when he started mouthing off publicly in the newspapers about how he was REALLY good and should be on the regular roster, Gibbs cut him.

From what I have read about Lumsden, he is well liked and doesn't have that problem. He just has to prove he is capable at the NFL level.

Hey, I like pulling for kids who are underdogs. Whats wrong with that? :(

[dwills1]

He is not replacing Betts in 07. This guy is not a NFL back.....PERIOD!

[JoeSkins]

Lumsden :peaceout: :peaceout: :peaceout:

Twelve more years of Lumsden? That's a lot of time in the NFL for a running back. ;) :laugh:

[Frankie37]

So here's a conspiracy theory for you, inmate:

We didn't play Lumsden much last week AND will not again this week on purpose so that he can be cut and nobody else will sign him.

THEN we can sign him to our practice squad. Next year, when Betts gets his nice FA contract, Lumsden will make the team and be a nice backup.

If we play him now and he sparks, somebody else will snatch him up before we can get him to the practice squad.


Hey there. First official post - long time "reader", first-time "poster". Gotta say, you guys love your ball.

I'll start off by saying that I am unabashedly a Lumsden fan. Because of his game, his explosive speed, his character...there has been enough praise of him on this site that I don't need to go on. I'll just confirm that the positives are well-deserved.

I realize why there are so many pulling for Nemo, Rock et al. But I will assure you, if he had played his ball in the US and you would have had a chance to watch him like we did, he'd probably be the top of the list. No disrespect to the guys he's battling with, but there's a reason an entire country is pulling for him. And it's not because we need another Vanderjagt to hold the Maple Leaf.

I think Wally G3 has a point that you need to consider. From Gibbs' perspective, he has an advantage in hiding Lumsden - those that saw his tapes were interested enough to try to sign him, but the Skins' have kept him hidden since camp started. If they wanted him gone, he would have been cut Tuesday.

Don't want him on the practice roster or the IR this season, but with the Duckett signing it's looking likely. So they can keep one of the best kept secrets in the NFL hidden a bit longer...until he's ready to bust out NFL-style.

[drone007]

i personally did not see nemo do anything at the one practice i went to, as well as the scrimmage. I did, however, see lumsden do a few things.

Just because we drafted nemo doesn't mean that gibbs will choose him over everyone else.

[skinny21]

He is not replacing Betts in 07. This guy is not a NFL back.....PERIOD!


Ahhh.. the famous "It is so because I say it is so."


maybe we should use this always effective ploy more often...


We're winning the superbowl.....PERIOD!

-- lets hope that works!

Only my opinion matters.... PERIOD!

-- that one's gotta work.

[dwills1]

Ok skinny 21....I see you have on logic or understanding of what this post really says? With Duckett now on the team, do you really think Lumsden is going to make the sqad? Over Betts? LOL? Next year even? It's not because I said so...it's becasue Gibbs said so with the acquisition of TJ Duckett. How's that for a smart response? Or maybe it really DOESN"T MATTER...because once the final roster is posted....THIS THREAD will read...."If Portis, Duckett, Betts and Cartwright get hurt, and Sellers sprains his knee...will we sign Lumsden? LOL! HAHAHAHAH!!



NO

[skinny21]

Ok skinny 21....I see you have on logic or understanding of what this post really says? With Duckett now on the team, do you really think Lumsden is going to make the sqad? Over Betts? LOL? Next year even? It's not because I said so...it's becasue Gibbs said so with the acquisition of TJ Duckett. How's that for a smart response? Or maybe it really DOESN"T MATTER...because once the final roster is posted....THIS THREAD will read...."If Portis, Duckett, Betts and Cartwright get hurt, and Sellers sprains his knee...will we sign Lumsden? LOL! HAHAHAHAH!!



NO

Oh, my bad, I misunderstood. Thought you said he will never be an NFL back, and here I was thinking, "damn, our coaches must be idiots to give a guy a chance that dwills (and a lot of other posters) knows will NEVER be an nfl back"

Oh, and I never said he is an nfl caliber back (although to paraphrase coach williams "all of these guys have talent, they wouldn't be here if they didn't" I also never said that he'll make this team, I just think its silly to make those kind of statements. Then again, I'm the kind of guy that believes in the "never say never" mantra.... I've seen some pretty crazy stuff happen.

To say I will bet my life that lumsden will not make this squad... sure, that's totally reasonable. But to say he is not an nfl caliber back sounds like you're stating it to be fact.

Lastly, sorry to pick you out of the crowd. It's just been ticking me off how many people say either a) he's terrible, or b) he has no chance. I'll fully agree we don't know enough about him and that his chances to make the team are minimal, but come on... there's always a chance. This is not at all limited to Lumsden, I feel the exact same way when people say there's no chance we get rid of betts... well no one expected us to get duckett did they?

Sorry to take this out on you, I know you're only relaying your opinion.

At the end of the day, we may disagree, but we're all skins fans and want what's best for the team, with or without betts, lumsden or any other player on our squad.

[DCMONEY]

The Skins management sort of baffle me. It really kinda baffles me how the Skins can draft and make pick ups. What I mean is I can see if we were in mid season and injuries occurred. These pick ups would seem more justified to me. The regular season hasn't even started and the pick ups and drafted players, they don't even have confidence in them to step in.

They don't feel Jason Campbell is ready. Heavy Compensation for him
Warrick (awful) Holdman is still staring at WLB. I guess Mcintosh isn't ready

Now they''ve picked up T.J. Duckett. So I guess Betts, Cartwirght, Lumsden,Manuel White, Nemiah Broughton etc. aren't suitable backups. Portis at the time signed for a record contract for a RB but he's not a short yardage back. I don't get that. There are those that will say he's small but hell so are Emmitt and Tomlinson for example.

I'll take the wait and see approach. Maybe it'll work out hopefully . :2cents: :rolleyes:

[REEM10]

I have never heard so much hype about a running back that hasnt play a regular season down in the NFL. I guess a few years back, we should have kept CHAD DUKES cuz he had a hell of a preseason!! Lumsden hasnt even really done anything yet.

[dwills1]

Most people want to see the guy succeed. I would relish at his opportunity, but the facts still remain. He has a depth chart in front of him that no free agent wants to see. Add that to the fact that he hasn't proven himself at all...and the spells CFL.

[NattyLight]

This guy will not be on the team, regardless of his performance on Saturday.

[Stew]

I thought he might be before the Duckett invasion..... but then we got the Duckett and now its a lil crowded. I can see Lumsden staying only if Betts gets traded and Nemo and White get cut.

[skinny21]

I thought he might be before the Duckett invasion..... but then we got the Duckett and now its a lil crowded. I can see Lumsden staying only if Betts gets traded and Nemo and White get cut.

Gotta agree, and I'm guessing White ends up as our backup FB... so good luck Jesse. I do wonder if we would be able to hold him on our PS, we'll see how it all shakes out soon.

[blloyd33]

When are the cuts?
I cannot wait.

[BleedBNG]

Have him do punt and/or kickoff returns. :D




OK... you can throw the tomatoes now :paranoid:

[brawnylad]

I don't understand the man crush on Lumsden. While I certainly would like to see him succeed, remind me again on what exaclty he has done thus far to earn a spot on the team?Man crush????Do a little research on the man before you pass judgement. I can't believe after seeing Lumsden in training camp, that Rock is even listed as a RB!

[Hooper]

CFL hero, NFL zero.

[brawnylad]

I would rather root for a guy like Rock who had potential and makes a big enough splash to impress the coaches every offseason. Start rooting for the players who are gonna make the team and have a big impact on a possibly very exciting season. typical responce

[Newera]

Lumsden plays well against Pats. Get's cut by us in order to put on practice squad, and gets picked up by Pats.

[GSullivan]

CFL hero, NFL zero.


typical ignorant response...did you make it in the CFL?

[Hooper]

Oh please. Lumsden is a nice story, but if the coaches really saw something in him he wouldn't be 57th on the depth chart. Seriously, is there a back on the roster right now behind him?

[Newera]

Lumsden is going to get his shot in the next two preseason games. His comp is Rock and Nemo. He could beat them out with a good showing.

He's a better running back then both of them. Rock has advantage over teams, but that may only be slight. The smart move to me if they really like Jesse is cut Rock at the end of season, see if he clears, bring him back and put Jesse on practice squad

This is contingent on Jesse having a good showing in one of the last two preaseason games. He's going to get this shot. He has to deliver.

Nemo had his shot last week. Carter had his shot against the Bengals and got hurt.

Probably the big game for Jesse will actually be some tomorrow, but probably the last game.

[JoeSkins]

typical ignorant response...did you make it in the CFL?

Did Winston October last more than one year? It's nothing against the league, but the success rate isn't high enough to consider every CFL-jumper a slam dunk to make it in the NFL.

[Hooper]

Unbelievable. So now he's better than Rock and Ladell based on what? His CFL highlights? His 30 yards in a scrimmage against the ravens 4th stringers? I mean, I know everybody loves a white running back, but come the hell on.

[GSullivan]

Did Winston October last more than one year? It's nothing against the league, but the success rate isn't high enough to consider every CFL-jumper a slam dunk to make it in the NFL.

I completely agree with you...the CFL is a good place for special players to hone their craft and few can make the jump...but some have done it very well...a redskin great got his start with the argos..a guy named Theisman...all I would like to see is Lumsden be judged on talent instead of where he comes from and where he played....if he gets to the practice roster the kid will work his arse off to get better next year...or get grabbed off it by someone else.

[Hooper]

Hey, I hope you're right.

But I just don't see it.

[Newera]

I will totally reserve my judgement until I see him play in a real game.

[Newera]

He has yet to really play, and is coming off a hip flexor.

[GSullivan]

Unbelievable. So now he's better than Rock and Ladell based on what? His CFL highlights? His 30 yards in a scrimmage against the ravens 4th stringers? I mean, I know everybody loves a white running back, but come the hell on.

Why do you keep mentioning the fact that he is white?

[Newera]

He's probably got one game to try and really make this team. Plus, who say's we don't try and move Betts before the season. Betts is in his last year.

[Hooper]

Oh, so he's an injury-prone wuss as well as slow? That's an AWESOME combination.

[Newera]

Getting Duckett is more a slap at Ladel then anyone else.

[GSullivan]

Oh, so he's an injury-prone wuss as well as slow? That's an AWESOME combination.

lumsden is slow??? did you see his 40 times?

[Newera]

Lumsden is our fastest back.

[whatmeworry]

If he's very VERY lucky he'll make PS.

[Hooper]

I'm just busting chops. Man, you guys really like this guy.

[Hooper]

Lumsden is our fastest back.

Really? Because he looked pretty slow against the Ravens scrubs. Maybe they time you differently in the CFL. You know, it's like the metric system all over again.

[Newera]

He had praise early. Looked decent against the Ravens, then got hurt. He has to renew interest in himself. Betts could be expendable. The skins are trying to renew his contract but he is balking. We trade so many mid round picks, I could see us moving Betts if both Duckett and Jesse run well in these last two games.

[Newera]

Injuries can kill in preseaon when you're trying to make a team. Kevin Simon has been inured too and he probably won't make the team as a result.

The hip flexor has certainly set Lumsden back -- and could kill his chances. He def a candidate for IR or practice squad. His job is to make th decision tough for the coaches by showing well in these last two preseason games.

[Newera]

Really? Because he looked pretty slow against the Ravens scrubs. Maybe they time you differently in the CFL. You know, it's like the metric system all over again.

Now you just gettin silly . . . :)

[NLW1]

The Redskins need to cut down to 65 players by August 29/06. This probably means that two or possibly three running backs/fullbacks from among Nehemiah Broughton, Manuel White Jr., Jesse Lumsden, A.J. Harris and Jonathan Combs will be released by this coming Tuesday. Tomorrow night's pre-season game against the Patriots is therefore huge for these five players. The survivors will get one more pre-season game to challenge for a spot on the Redskins' practice roster and one of them might even make the active roster after the final cutdown date on September 2/06.

[JoeSkins]

Why do you keep mentioning the fact that he is white?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I got flamed for mentioning that as a drawback.