OUR RB's should be PISSED! I WOULD BE TOO!

[dwills1]

I don't think it's fair as fans for us to sit hear and say what Rock, Ladell, Mike or Clinton should be feeling in regards to this trade. For Betts, it's an opportunity to showcase his skills for us or for any other team looking to sign him long term next year. Sellars has been doing everything we ask, so why should he get less? Rock is Rock. He does whatever we ask him to do.

DO we see these guys working their @ss off during OTA's? What about staying late in the weight room? How about watching extra hours of film? What about doing everything the coaches ask them to? Yet they have no right to be MAD about someone like Duckett coming in? WAKE UP PEOPLE...you would be pissed too.

Quit with the "Gibbs and character" and all that BS. If it was really all about character, then Betts would be given a shot, Sellars would be rewarded for his hard work, we wouldn't be discussing this topic. Character and winning are one and one...but so is trust and respect. The players obviously feel betrayed and not trusted to a certain extent....and they have every right to feel that way.

Before the obvious replies come....let me adress this: David Patten is old, and we needed receiver depth even when he was healthy. Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year. He ran for TD's, returned TD's on kickoffs, and he caught TD's. Betts can do it all. If I were a skins RB, I would be pissed too. DON'T SAY THEY DID LOOK GOOD IN PRE SEASON. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING IN PRE SEASON. IF WE GO OFF PRE SEASON, then get replacements for Archuletta, Lamar Marshall, Jon Jansen....the list goes on.

Sometimes you trust what you have...instead we have stirred up some shhh at Redskins park. Joe Gibbs is a great coach, but he isn't GOD. I don't agree with this one.

[Buck812]

I didnt think it was a huge need either but if you are a competitor you have to embrace competition.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Joe Gibbs is a great coach, but he isn't GOD.


http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a380/sonnyboy_/3d0012c4.jpg


So your thread changes what....? :laugh:

[waterwagen]

It's their job to work out, practice hard, and play hard. The RB job is not a right. Besides, I think all 4 of those guys will still get playing time. Portis is still the man, Betts is still the backup tailback, Sellers is still the fullback (and is still by far the biggest guy), and Rock will still play plenty of ST. Problem solved.

[TheNewU]

go ahead and not agree with it, the trade still happened, just accept it and embrace the new player. you are a redskins fan right

[citigent]

the best man will play and i would think it says that betts is a question due to past injuries and maybe the staff doesnt think rock can carry the load over time if he had to ?

[HOF44]

The thing is, if Betts and to a lesser degree Sellers play better than Duckett they have nothing to worry about. If not they should worry.

Would you agree it is Gibbs' job to assemble the best talent he can put together? If he thinks Duckett is clearly better than Betts would he not be derilict in his duties if he did not bring him on board when he has the chance?

I will agree with you that Betts should be upset, its human nature in his position to react like that. But if he is a real competitor and as talanted as you think, he should go out on the field more determined than ever and prove it. It's the way of the NFL.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Couldn't this have gone into one of the other posts talking about the same thing?

[RF4L]

I'm pissed that you started this thread. :doh:



j/k :silly:

[dwills1]

I'm not saying that Betts won't step his game up...I'm just saying that he should be pissed. Yes the trade happened, but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to be angry. It will make for an interesting game come Sat night. All RB's will be running in regular season form.

[ntotoro]

Portis said he on the radio/tv he was happy about Duckett being here. Deep inside, he probably knows it saves him some beatings.

If Betts and Rock don't think they could use a little fire under their butts, then maybe it's because that's exactly what they need.

[ibrahim]

I still don't get why people are so enamoured with Rock. I mean, he IS a great guy, but I would NOT want him starting for this team at ANY point. With the injury to Portis' shoulder and with Betts often injured, we were headed in a direction that would have had us starting Rock at some point this season. Now, really think about it, would you want that?

With Duckett I feel more comfortable.

[Oldskool]

welcome to the No New Threads club.

[ntotoro]

It will make for an interesting game come Sat night. All RB's will be running in regular season form.

So that means Betts will get injured and Rock will see one carry every 3-4 games? ;)

[SKINZ33]

You say that its not fair for us to say how they should feel.


But you turn around and say they SHOULD be pissed?

I respect your opinion about not agreeing but as much as we don't see them bust their butts in practice, we also don't hear the conversations taking pace, see what reads the RB AREN'T making in practice, and understand what the organization is really trying to.

We don't have to agree but just as you express your opinion, we will do the same.

Gibbs isn't GOD but nieither are you so don't critcize our rants as well in such a fashion.








"Thank Ya'll for coming out God bless you good night."

[dwbiggs]

Its all about the best performer getting the job. Nobodys guaranteed anything and just because these guys are getting the big bucks they think they are owed something? I don't think so...we had enough of that already.


Dan

[ThreeKings]

Our RB's should NOT be pissed. This is a team game.

Betts has had injury problems and has had years to prove himself, Sellers has a handful of carries in his career and fumbled on his only goaline carry.
Rock does what any RB on the waiver wire can do, not to mention he single handedly lost the KC game last year with that careless fumble.

Can we please stop hearing about our whining RBs, they are like babies

[BleedBNG]

I wonder what their attitude would be at the end of the year if someone were to hand them their Super Bowl ring?

:mad: or :D

[Frediemac]

Get over it and Perform! :3rdplace:

[Streater101]

OTA's, lifting weights...reviewing film? Pardon me for a moment, but isn't that "like", the status quo?.Those guys are profressionals, working hard and doing what is asked of you is literally the least you can do. In the end, you still have produce results, or the powers that be will upgrade. Ladell has had 4 years to showcase his talents, if he hasn't made a good enough impression to convince a team other than the Skins that he can be a starter, then he probably never will. I know the people who belong to the Ladell Betts fanclub may take that as a "slap in the face" as my boy Cartwright would say, but its the truth.

[Loyal2Washington]

Of course Betts and Rock have the right to be upset, no one is debating that. The problem lies with the fact that Betts, who for the record has NEVER made it through training camp and a season healthy, is now are number one running back. Rock is not an every down NFL RB, sorry but it's the truth. Is Rock a hard worker and team first guy, no doubt, but at some point talent needs to be shown to warrent back up type carry numbers. Sellers is a FB and is here to block first and foremost so people need to wipe the images of him getting 150 carries out of their head, that wasn't happening with or without TJ being here.


Football it seems has yet again mirrored real life. A company has went out and made a new hire. If he out performs the current employees then guess who gets the promotion first, you guessed it the best guy. Betts and Rock need to stop being so insecure about their abilities and play football. How come CP doesn't whine and cry over this situatuion? Becasue CP knows he is better then Duckett and will be the number one RB when he is healthy.

Stop making excuses for Betts and Rock and blaming Gibbs for making the team better. if you don't think that's what is going on then ask Ramsey, Coles, and Lavar if Gibbs cares more about the improvement of the team or giving overrated players shot after shot. Gibbs will make sure the best man plays as much as possible, not fan favorites.

[MCnDaHouse]

I really like the addition of Duckett. We need a big brusing back. Haven't had anyone like that since Davis left.

MC

[BigRay]

It's their job to work out, practice hard, and play hard. The RB job is not a right. Besides, I think all 4 of those guys will still get playing time. Portis is still the man, Betts is still the backup tailback, Sellers is still the fullback (and is still by far the biggest guy), and Rock will still play plenty of ST. Problem solved.


I agree because they traded for TJ that doesn't mean that Betts and Cartwright will be out of a job. Listening to Gibbs they are still in the plans how they will be used will be the question. Let's be realistic here the other guys has to step up which they haven't.

[Skins4481]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Betts is ALWAYS injured. He is ridiculously overrated by a lot of you members here too. He ran for 1 TD, returned a kick for a TD and I believe caught 1 TD. You make it seem as if he had multiple scores each way. Look at his career TDs and look at Ducketts. Case closed.

[Canadian Hog]

What's kind of funny about this whole situation is that TJ Duckett epitomized what it meant to be a team player in the first chapter of his pro career with the Falcons. Here is a guy who Atlanta spent a first round pick on in '02, the same year they acquired Warrick Dunn as a free agent. Figuring that he would eventually get the bulk of the carries, Duckett never did take over the starting spot from Dunn over the course of the next four seasons. Did that stop Duckett from making the most of the opportunities he was given? Absolutely not. Did we ever hear Duckett whine and complain over the next four years? Again....no.

Anybody on our roster who is uncomfortable with this might be able to learn a lesson from Duckett's days in Atlanta.

[robotfire]

I know I'd be ticked off. As a coach, you have to get better guys all the time. As a player, your feelings get hurt and you feel betrayed. That's how the business goes. It stinks, and Betts has every right to be upset, but that's football.


Clint

[JetSkins]

theres already a thread about this

[herrmag]

The thing is, if Betts and to a lesser degree Sellers play better than Duckett they have nothing to worry about. If not they should worry.

Would you agree it is Gibbs' job to assemble the best talent he can put together? If he thinks Duckett is clearly better than Betts would he not be derilict in his duties if he did not bring him on board when he has the chance?

I will agree with you that Betts should be upset, its human nature in his position to react like that. But if he is a real competitor and as talanted as you think, he should go out on the field more determined than ever and prove it. It's the way of the NFL.


Impossible to argue with this logic. :cheers:


P.S. I was wondering when the "Gibbs isn't treating <insert player's name here>" threads were going to start. Football is a business, and that is how it is run. Football players are only guaranteed a paycheck (and not necessarily even that). Playing time is not guaranteed; it is earned.

[alexey]

Only RBs insecure about their skills would get pissed at this situation.

[GOSKINS_08]

We're going to keep all of the rb's..And I doubt Portis is pissed, he is going to be our starter no matter what..

[[[ghost]]]

They can work as hard as they want- I dont care if they're the best presecence in the locker room we have. If they'r not producing on the field, then they're useless. Using that logic, Taylor Jacobs should be forced into a starting spot.

[nace14]

i said this before, but once portis went down this preseason, our running game has looked as smooth as the rocky mountains. if those guys want to complain tell them to produce first. just cause you have been here working hard and sweating with the team doesn't mean you are entitled to the team if you can't produce. i don't see anybody crying about lumsden's future with the skins, or about boschette's future after we acuired carter and drafted some d linemen. all i can say is produce first complain later.

[ProBowler]

:idea: Let me clear this up for you. Who really cares that a 2nd string and 3rd string RB and two people that play special teams are pissed? I'm not so sure this is all about these two or three people you mention anyways.


Professional sports is no gurantee! Some people are just better than others it's nothing personal.

Your right Joe Gibbs is no God and by no way does he act like it either. How many coaches that are in the hall of fame would have stepped aside for another offensive cordinator? Gibbs says he wants people with good character and work ethic! This is a requirement and not a gurantee of making the team! Just because these guys did everything he asked dosen't mean they are good enough and in no way can this be misconstrued into gibbs back stabbing someone!

To be honest I think this was great timing! It distracts from the ridiculous comments that Portis likes to make every now and then. It also shows him that this team will go on with or without him and it's back to business without players questioning the validity of preseason.

Clinton was asked if he would be ready by season opener. What did he say? "I don't know. I'm not going to rush back." WRONG ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!

Emmitt Smith played a game with a seperated shoulder and never missed a game because of it! Clinton is just going to milk this to get out of preseason. It's quite obvious what he thinks about preseason. Just like TO is milking his hamstring injury. It's a known fact around the league that there are players who pull this kind of thing so they can miss practice and just play in the games.

I'm not saying Clinton doesn't give his all on the field and needs to hurry up and get better to play preseason but he needs to remember his role and think about what he says! Some of his statements are way to ME oriented. Wether he is trying to or not he makes statements that makes him sound like he is above the coaches and other players on the team and who knows maybe someone has just about had enough of it!

[RedskinsNation]

these RB's should'nt be crying....if ANYONE HAS ANY BEEF i would hear and accept what CP has to say but he isnt even the one ready to file a grievance.

A midget 3rd stringer RB is crying and a injury prone backup was upset...if Sellers was angered then we really have some babies (he gets less than 10 carries a season!)....was Jesse Lumsden angered as well?

SOUND THE ALARMS!!!! We really have a disaster on our hands when two perpetual BACKUPS are firing off complaints!!!

[Burgold]

They should be pissed. I would be too. Now, what do you do with that energy. If you piss it away moaning and groaning then it's on you. If you channel your anger into your efforts into practice and preseason, well then you've made the decision for this team harder and given other teams a better reason to check you out.

[TLusby]

I WAKE UP PEOPLE...you would be pissed too.


It's a business and anything that betters this team is good for the team. The team is the key to everything and not one player should ever stand before the team. Gibbs knows more about football than this entire board multiplied by five. Gibbs has information that you and I do not have and makes decisions based on all facts. We did not make this trade for Duckett to be the #3 RB. Betts most likely wanted too much money on an extension and now will be the #3 RB without much playing time. Large demands come with risks and I believe Betts lost on this round of negotiations. I expect Duckett to get a little more work than Betts did last year and should have about a 500-600 yard season unless Portis has to sit out 2+ games.

[budski]

Im not pissed at all, neither were DE when Carter was brought in.

[SittingBull]

Bottom line is at the end of last year Portis's shoulders were so banged up from wear and tear that he was ineffective when it really counted, in the playoffs. And this was WITHOUT a shoulder dislocation in the preseason. We had Betts and Cartwright then too but it still happened. Would you rather have Betts and Cartwright shocked and insulted a little bit now or have Portis and the whole Redskin Nation pissed in late December because he can't play to his optimal ability when we need it the most? What has changed in the offseason to think that last year's trend won't repeat itself? We do have more WRs but that doesn't change the fact that Gibbs likes balance in his offense and will still run it the same number of times. Not to diminish Betts and Rock's roles on the team, but them two alone can't take as much load off Portis as you would like to think. You don't have to remember too far back for proof.

[NebraSKIN]

So would you rather draft an unproven RB next year when Betts bolts for a paycheck and to be a starter?

Oh, and all of the hard work is what they get paid to do. And the last I heard, these guys do have a shot. Not at being our starter becasue that is CPs job and always will. Rock is nowhere near a starter, and he is not even a solid #2 guy. He's a role player with his main importance on special teams. Same with Sellers . . . a special teams guy that is a FB not a RB. Betts is in the last year of his contract and is looking to be the #1 guy.

Duckett will take the pounding off of CP. This is a very different style of running than Betts. Hey, I look forward to somebody, anybody taking the carries from CP. I want him here and healthy for years.

I do not feel they should be pissed as you say . . . they should be more MOTIVATED by this. Did you hear this crap from Moss, Patten, Thrash, or Jacobs? NO> How about Wynn or Daniels - NO

Also, do you think that our coaching staff may know a bit more than us? Maybe the contract negotiations between us and Betts are not looking well?

Trust in our Franchise, Brother Redskin.



I don't think it's fair as fans for us to sit hear and say what Rock, Ladell, Mike or Clinton should be feeling in regards to this trade. For Betts, it's an opportunity to showcase his skills for us or for any other team looking to sign him long term next year. Sellars has been doing everything we ask, so why should he get less? Rock is Rock. He does whatever we ask him to do.

DO we see these guys working their @ss off during OTA's? What about staying late in the weight room? How about watching extra hours of film? What about doing everything the coaches ask them to? Yet they have no right to be MAD about someone like Duckett coming in? WAKE UP PEOPLE...you would be pissed too.

Quit with the "Gibbs and character" and all that BS. If it was really all about character, then Betts would be given a shot, Sellars would be rewarded for his hard work, we wouldn't be discussing this topic. Character and winning are one and one...but so is trust and respect. The players obviously feel betrayed and not trusted to a certain extent....and they have every right to feel that way.

Before the obvious replies come....let me adress this: David Patten is old, and we needed receiver depth even when he was healthy. Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year. He ran for TD's, returned TD's on kickoffs, and he caught TD's. Betts can do it all. If I were a skins RB, I would be pissed too. DON'T SAY THEY DID LOOK GOOD IN PRE SEASON. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING IN PRE SEASON. IF WE GO OFF PRE SEASON, then get replacements for Archuletta, Lamar Marshall, Jon Jansen....the list goes on.

Sometimes you trust what you have...instead we have stirred up some shhh at Redskins park. Joe Gibbs is a great coach, but he isn't GOD. I don't agree with this one.

[talk show host]

I don't think it's fair as fans for us to sit hear and say what Rock, Ladell, Mike or Clinton should be feeling in regards to this trade. For Betts, it's an opportunity to showcase his skills for us or for any other team looking to sign him long term next year. Sellars has been doing everything we ask, so why should he get less? Rock is Rock. He does whatever we ask him to do.

DO we see these guys working their @ss off during OTA's? What about staying late in the weight room? How about watching extra hours of film? What about doing everything the coaches ask them to? Yet they have no right to be MAD about someone like Duckett coming in? WAKE UP PEOPLE...you would be pissed too.

Quit with the "Gibbs and character" and all that BS. If it was really all about character, then Betts would be given a shot, Sellars would be rewarded for his hard work, we wouldn't be discussing this topic. Character and winning are one and one...but so is trust and respect. The players obviously feel betrayed and not trusted to a certain extent....and they have every right to feel that way.

Before the obvious replies come....let me adress this: David Patten is old, and we needed receiver depth even when he was healthy. Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year. He ran for TD's, returned TD's on kickoffs, and he caught TD's. Betts can do it all. If I were a skins RB, I would be pissed too. DON'T SAY THEY DID LOOK GOOD IN PRE SEASON. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING IN PRE SEASON. IF WE GO OFF PRE SEASON, then get replacements for Archuletta, Lamar Marshall, Jon Jansen....the list goes on.

Sometimes you trust what you have...instead we have stirred up some shhh at Redskins park. Joe Gibbs is a great coach, but he isn't GOD. I don't agree with this one.

Sure, you might be pissed but if you were a better player, then they wouldnt have needed to bring someone in. You dont agree with this one, but that just shows you dont have 1/100th the football smarts of Joe Gibbs.

[Jstunner56]

This is a business, and businesses strive to become successful. If the Skins feel like Duckett is better fit for the backup role, then let it be. We dont owe Betts or Rock for that matter any automatically earned position. If these guys cant embrace competition then they can atleast embrace change. If that means they lose the job to Duckett then oh well. They can complain all they want, but its about competing to see who fits the best for the business to win. Enough Said

[McMetal]

Well, if I was 23 and growing up in today's Culture of Entitlement, I would probably feel the same way.

Unfortunately I was raised to believe that you have to earn things, and that we all have the power to determine our own destiny through hard work and discipline. Other people don't threaten me. Competition doesn't threaten me.

These guys need to quit crying and concentrate on jamming the ball up the Patriots collective arses to show they deserve the respect they demand.

Results>Words.

[The Dick]

The ultimate goal is to win. If they have a problem with signing another RB, then so be it... Like others have said, all they have to do is prove that they are better. I do not see how anyone can have a problem with this trade. We made the team better. How would you have felt if Betts had gone down as well? I'm sorry but, I dont think either Betts or Rock could have carried the whole running game. The coaches were obviously not so sure either. If they have a problem with it then they obviously do not want what is best for the team.

[dwbiggs]

these RB's should'nt be crying....

Nobody that makes that kind of money should be crying IMHO. They need to get some perspective.

Dan

[gortiz]

The players obviously feel betrayed and not trusted to a certain extent....and they have every right to feel that way.

.



Betts - has show flashes, but has been hurt almost every year of his career, he can't be couted on for 20-25 carries a game, not sure how good his pass protection is

Rock - some ability but had costly fumble last year, undersized, and really has not showed a reason to put a lot of faith in as a viable backup RB

Nemo - unproven

Lumsden- even more unproven


Because of the above, they have no right to feel anything except lucky that they are holding a roster spot today.

[mistere]

Theres no crying in football! Grow up you babies. If we don't perform at work, bossman brings in someone new. We are either better or worse than the competition and we either keep our job or lose it.

[lunarluau]

I don't think it's fair as fans for us to sit hear and say what Rock, Ladell, Mike or Clinton should be feeling in regards to this trade. For Betts, it's an opportunity to showcase his skills for us or for any other team looking to sign him long term next year. Sellars has been doing everything we ask, so why should he get less? Rock is Rock. He does whatever we ask him to do.

DO we see these guys working their @ss off during OTA's? What about staying late in the weight room? How about watching extra hours of film? What about doing everything the coaches ask them to? Yet they have no right to be MAD about someone like Duckett coming in? WAKE UP PEOPLE...you would be pissed too.

Quit with the "Gibbs and character" and all that BS. If it was really all about character, then Betts would be given a shot, Sellars would be rewarded for his hard work, we wouldn't be discussing this topic. Character and winning are one and one...but so is trust and respect. The players obviously feel betrayed and not trusted to a certain extent....and they have every right to feel that way.

Before the obvious replies come....let me adress this: David Patten is old, and we needed receiver depth even when he was healthy. Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year. He ran for TD's, returned TD's on kickoffs, and he caught TD's. Betts can do it all. If I were a skins RB, I would be pissed too. DON'T SAY THEY DID LOOK GOOD IN PRE SEASON. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING IN PRE SEASON. IF WE GO OFF PRE SEASON, then get replacements for Archuletta, Lamar Marshall, Jon Jansen....the list goes on.

Sometimes you trust what you have...instead we have stirred up some shhh at Redskins park. Joe Gibbs is a great coach, but he isn't GOD. I don't agree with this one.


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[allskinz]

Let them be pissed. Get out on the field and show Gibbs what you can do.. Every position is an open position. Gibbs is going to put us in the best position to win.

That's his job folks.. and so far, I am drinking the KoolAid.

[allskinz]

Theres no crying in football! Grow up you babies. If we don't perform at work, bossman brings in someone new. We are either better or worse than the competition and we either keep our job or lose it.

No crying in Football? Don't tell Vermeil that!

[Blondie]

Same crap.........new day.

The horse is dead.



Dismount.


Blondie

[conkev12]

Rock and Betts need to realize that playing football is not a right--it's a privilege. I personally am annoyed by Betts' sense of entitlement given his history of injuries and inconsistency. If you can't produce on a consistent basis...you're out like A-Rod at bat.

And why is Rock so upset? He's mainly a special teamer. It's not like he was going to get many carries anyway.

[whatmeworry]

Maybe if Betts hadn't been constantly nursing an injury and was a little more flexible contract negotiations it might be a little differnce.

BTW, sounds like you wouldn't be on the roster very long either.

[Pool Shark]

If it was really all about character, then Betts would be given a shot, Sellars would be rewarded for his hard work, we wouldn't be discussing this topic.

:rolleyes:

Blah, blah, blah. Look buddy, this isn't little league. Not everyone gets a chance to start and touch the ball. The coaches obviously weren't happy with the way these guys were performing, so they went out and did what they thought needed to be done. It's their team. They get paid millions of dollars to do what they do. Let them coach. I don't here them complaining about what a crappy fan you are and your lack of support.



Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year.

:doh:

I can't even remember a season when Betts played a significant amount of time without getting injured. He's already been injured once this season and that was before preseason games started.


Betts, meanwhile, missed the Cincinnati game and several days of practice with a nagging hamstring injury, causing uncertainty about his durability. Betts broke his arm in 2003 and missed seven games, and he sat out four last year with a sprained knee.

http://www.forbes.com/business/healthcare/feeds/ap/2006/08/23/ap2969606.html

[cwray420]

Theres no crying in football! Grow up you babies. If we don't perform at work, bossman brings in someone new. We are either better or worse than the competition and we either keep our job or lose it.

AMEN! I've never seen so much whining before. This is unbelievable! I'm glad we have T.J. Duckett.

Stop the crying! The coaching staff knows what's best. It's fine to express an opinion, but to act like we're the experts and see and know everything going on with the rb situation is ridiculous.

Someone believes that T.J. would be a good addition to our backfield. Good. Bring him then. We all want wins, plan and simple.

[Blondie]

AMEN! I've never seen so much whining before. This is unbelievable! I'm glad we have T.J. Duckett.

Stop the crying! The coaching staff knows what's best. It's fine to express an opinion, but to act like we're the experts and see and know everything going on with the rb situation is ridiculous.

Someone believes that T.J. would be a good addition to our backfield. Good. Bring him then. We all want wins, plan and simple.


Where the heck is all this so called crying.

Good God.

They said one friggin thing yesterday......and all that is being said is they need to stop all the crying.

BFD.

SO they said one comment........get over it.

I know they both went out and practiced and did what they needed to do.

But, if it makes the posters on here feel big and bad to tell them to stop all the crying and stop acting like babies........then go for it big boys.


Feel better now?

Blondie

[Jumbo]

Like didn't this get discussed all yesterday , incuding by you dwills? ;)

Here, read this, take three aspirin, two mai-tai's, and a nap.


http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2833267#post2833267

[Mooka]

I'm ***not ( :doh: ) thrilled with the trade either.

That 3rd rounder could be better spent then for a short-yardage/back-up RB, IMO.

[kramit]

sellers is the fullback, why should he care?

[Huly]

Where the heck is all this so called crying.

Good God.

They said one friggin thing yesterday......and all that is being said is they need to stop all the crying.

BFD.

SO they said one comment........get over it.

I know they both went out and practiced and did what they needed to do.

But, if it makes the posters on here feel big and bad to tell them to stop all the crying and stop acting like babies........then go for it big boys.


Feel better now?

Blondie

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

The queen has spoken!

About time I agree 100%

[Taylor 36]

Pissed or not, they shouldn't be voicing this stuff to the media. Keep it in house, fellas.

[riggins44]

Here is the deal. Betts has been nicked at one point or another each year
he has been here. Last week he went out with the first team and IMO didn't
do anything special.

Football is a sport/business that is all about production. Much like any other
business. If Betts and Cartwright had shown more production lately, then
chances are this trade never would have happened.

Gibbs and our FO have a responsibility to field the best team possible. If this means bringing in another RB...then so be it. Had we gone into the season
with just Betts and Cartwright and the team failed, everyone would be
pissed.

It's a part of life, either you suck it up and produce or hit the highway. In any organization the top management has to do what is best for everyone.
Regardless of popular opinion.

[RonArtest15]

So, Mike Sellers has a whopping TWO carries in his NFL career....he has got to be kidding himself if he thinks that based off of a 26 yard performance against the 2nd team of the Jets that he was going to be the short yardage back...Duckett gives us beef and speed....I like Sellers more as a lead blocker, and an occasional threat inside the 10 coming out of the backfield from the play action....Honestly, I think Sellers role won't change much, but the NFL is a business (like Rock said), and I wouldn't be shocked to see Cartwright on another team before the season starts..he is the expendable one in this equation, unless we can move Betts for a pick.....

[dwills1]

Most of these comments are "very touching". For the love of Gibbs...

[jimster]

Betts is young and is healthy. Everyone on this board says he has health problems....NOT! He had a hammy that held him out of 1 game last year.




Betts has missed significant time every training camp, he missed 7 games in 2003, missed FOUR games last year, (was hurt against St Louis which is why Rock had the opportunity to get his 100 yards against the worst run defense in the NFL), and he's been hurt this year.

If you're the head coach, how smart are you to go into the season with 2 injured RB's? - I can't believe people are crying the blues because we went out and got some killer depth at a very important position, because it might hurt someone's feelings.

I wonder if Carolina would have gone to the Superbowl last year if they had better RB depth?

[bubba9497]

Did any of RB get upset when we added Lloyd or ARE, heck Patten just asked will you play the best player each week.....

Did Wynn say anything about signing Carter... yes.. he wants to win a Super Bowl

I didn't hear PP cry about signing AA

If they are so worried about Duckett taking "their" spot... make it impossible for him to do so... but don't say anything to the media about it.



though it is obvious that the media took comments out of context for a more dramatic effect, and the players aren't nearly as upset as it was made out to be.


on the flip side, isn't it Ironic so many people getting emotional making knee jerk comments, about emotional knee jerk comments? :laugh:





IMO none are in jeporady to get cut, or lose many snaps as they think.

[dwills1]

The bottom line is that the players have the right to be mad. That is the only point I'm trying to make. It was obviously a surprise to the RB core. Stop talking to me about these guys being babies and wanting character guys. Sean Taylor who happens to be the best player on the team and best safey in the league....is he really a "character guy"? How much trouble to character guys into? Stop buying the wolf tickets. If they are pissed..they have every right to be

[slappy434]

AMEN! I've never seen so much whining before. This is unbelievable! I'm glad we have T.J. Duckett.

Stop the crying! The coaching staff knows what's best. It's fine to express an opinion, but to act like we're the experts and see and know everything going on with the rb situation is ridiculous.

Someone believes that T.J. would be a good addition to our backfield. Good. Bring him then. We all want wins, plan and simple.

Where the heck is all this so called crying.

Good God.

They said one friggin thing yesterday......and all that is being said is they need to stop all the crying.

BFD.

SO they said one comment........get over it.

I know they both went out and practiced and did what they needed to do.

But, if it makes the posters on here feel big and bad to tell them to stop all the crying and stop acting like babies........then go for it big boys.


Feel better now?

Blondie

I think he was talking about all the crying the ES'ers are doing.

[bubba9497]

If they are pissed..they have every right to be

agreed, but keep it in house, express it to the coaches or FO

[jimster]

I think he was talking about all the crying the ES'ers are doing.


bingo. - Look at the title of this thread.

[cwray420]

I think he was talking about all the crying the ES'ers are doing.

That's exactly right. I'm just ticked that a lot of people are whining and moaning about something that I think is an overall good thing for the skins.

[cphil006]

yea, but you don;t take the whining public!!!

[slappy434]

That's exactly right. I'm just ticked that a lot of people are whining and moaning about something that I think is an overall good thing for the skins.

No kiddin' there's so many temper tantrums lately, you'd think that people felt like since Duckett arrived that.....
Marcus Washington, Clinton Portis, Sean Taylor, Jason Campbell and Al Saunders were for some reason going to lose their jobs.
Its wacko. I like Betts and Rock as much as the next guy, but production = playing time.

[photo4u]

Of course Betts and Rock have the right to be upset, no one is debating that. The problem lies with the fact that Betts, who for the record has NEVER made it through training camp and a season healthy, is now are number one running back. Rock is not an every down NFL RB, sorry but it's the truth. Is Rock a hard worker and team first guy, no doubt, but at some point talent needs to be shown to warrent back up type carry numbers. Sellers is a FB and is here to block first and foremost so people need to wipe the images of him getting 150 carries out of their head, that wasn't happening with or without TJ being here.


Football it seems has yet again mirrored real life. A company has went out and made a new hire. If he out performs the current employees then guess who gets the promotion first, you guessed it the best guy. Betts and Rock need to stop being so insecure about their abilities and play football. How come CP doesn't whine and cry over this situatuion? Becasue CP knows he is better then Duckett and will be the number one RB when he is healthy.

Stop making excuses for Betts and Rock and blaming Gibbs for making the team better. if you don't think that's what is going on then ask Ramsey, Coles, and Lavar if Gibbs cares more about the improvement of the team or giving overrated players shot after shot. Gibbs will make sure the best man plays as much as possible, not fan favorites.


I made a mistake on one comment about Champ Bailey and one person jumped in and corrected me quick. I won't say who it is, but let's see. Lavar wanted to leave. Coles asked to be traded. So King Gibbs didn't really get rid of these players. Let me stop Gibbs is cool with me.

[flave1969]

Betts - Missed 4 Games last year. Has missed 16 in a 4 year career, thats a quarter. He has missed a pre season game already this year. He scored no Rushing TD's last year. The most carries in any one season is 90, hardly going to take the load of Clinton with that production. Also with a genuine chance at starting he has failed to beat out both Kenny Watson and Trung Canidate.

Sellers - Has amassed in 7 seasons the sum total of 2 carries. 3 good rushes this preseason does not win the short yardage specialist job. You would think after 7 seasons he would have filled that role already. Maybe just maybe the coaches know the best role for him and showed us it last year. Sellers will get his TD's in the passing game, count on it.

Cartwright - I hope is not the odd man out because he plays his heart out and unlike Ladell has always maxed out in his limited playing time. He has more career Rushing TD's than Ladell and is a special teams expert.

Clinton - Has said all off season that his aim is to get his carries down and average up. We now have a back who can genuinely carry the ball 120 times with added value. Duckett is a genuine short yardage threat. 31 TD's in 4 seasons is 8 more than Sellers, Betts and Cartwright combined. Clinton will get his yards, his TD's and maybe that ring.

Bottom Line all the people now upset had at least four years in this league to show true value, if they had done so this would not have happened.

[909997]

i blame our RB's if they could have ran the ball without portis in the preseason

we would't have traded for duckett

[wbar3383]

They get paid plenty of money to play a sport.

They are entitled to nothing but fair competition.

If they cannot play better than Duckett, why on earth would you not use him.

I would hate to bet on your teams. You would keep a bunch of inferior players based on sentimentality.

And please do not talk for all fans, I dont like it when people do that. You have not been granted permission to talk for me.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

They get paid plenty of money to play a sport.

They are entitled to nothing but fair competition.

If they cannot play better than Duckett, why on earth would you not use him.

I would hate to bet on your teams. You would keep a bunch of inferior players based on sentimentality.

And please do not talk for all fans, I dont like it when people do that. You have not been granted permission to talk for me.
Yeah, no kidding. It sounds like a damn union. Like people think those roster spots are a birthright. If we want to go the sentimental route then we may as well bring back SD, Ramsey and lavar, put Rock as starting FB and bring back Champ. What do you basically have? 2003...all over again. :doh:

A coaches job is to put the best product on the field to win. Not guys that make us smile. If fan voting decided the roster then teams would be 3-13 every year.

[Matt [Redskins Fan]]

Last time I checked we were in the business of winning as many football games as possible. That holds precedence over hurting people's feelings. Geez man, you've got to toughen up or salary cap era football is going to drive you crazy.

[Peregrine]

lol

No our RBs shouldnt be mad. It would be one thing if our RBs were all healthy. But they arent.

Tell me, after the 1st drive of the Bengals game, were either Betts or Portis availabe? NO. Does Betts have nagging injury problems? Yes. Does Portis? yes. Can you win a superbowl with Cartwright as your #1 back? I doubt it.

Portis and Betts have both had nagging injuries, getting such a good insurance policy was a great move, it has NOTHING to do with the character and cohesion of the team.

[skinz4evr]

theres already a thread about thisActually there are like 17 threads on this. Can you fools please stop making new ones.

[blloyd33]

The only thing that they could possibly be angry about is their DNA.

[CapitalDefense]

Renaldo Wynn said it best today on his interview with Larry. "This is a business, and it should be looked at it that way. There is a revolving door, people come and go all the time. You just have to step up your game."

They can look at it as a "slap in the face" or they can step up there game. Competition is always good, well theres plenty of it at the RB spot, so let the best men win.

[Loyal2Washington]

but let's see. Lavar wanted to leave. Coles asked to be traded. So King Gibbs didn't really get rid of these players. Let me stop Gibbs is cool with me.
You missed my point.

[shakazullo]

All anyone needs to know about why we made this trade is this: If Portis gets hurt or can't play for a game or two because his shoulder. Then our running game is left to Betts, his back up would be Rock. Ask the Panthers what it is like when two backs go down. God forbid Betts gets hurt like he does every year. Then our starting rb would be Rock with Sellers and Nemo backing him up. Duckett was needed.