Season changing game this sunday

[WeownU]

This could be a season changing game for whoever loses this sunday night.

If Bledsoe plays as poorly as he did against Jacksonville, and we lose this game, I think Romo is the starter from here on out.

Although Brunell didn't play nearly as bad as Bledsoe did, if you guys lose the game, do you think Gibbs sits him down and lets either JC or Collins start?

Either way, whoever loses this game is in for a LONG week from the local press.


This is a damn big game for both squads. Lets say the Giants beat Philly.....

The winner of the skins/boys on sunday night will either be 0-2 or be in a tie for first place in the division.

[Lil Kenzo]

Who can argue with that?

[RyansRangers]

Yea your right about the local press. If we lose to Dallas.. I wont be able to come on this board until tuesday not because I think our season will be over but to avoid all those who say our season is over.

but no I dont see brunell being benched unless we go 0-6

[DWinzit]

If Bledsoe plays as poorly as he did against Jacksonville, and we lose this game, I think Romo is the starter from here on out.
Although Brunell didn't play nearly as bad as Bledsoe did, if you guys lose the game, do you think Gibbs sits him down and lets either JC or Collins start?

I do think Parcells will not hesitat to pull Bledsoe. On the other hand, Gibbs will. If Brunell plays the same as last week, he is still the starter. Even if he plays a bit worse, Gibbs starts him!

[WeownU]

but no I dont see brunell being benched unless we go 0-6


I assure you Bledsoe is on a much shorter leash around here than Brunell is then if thats the case.

Usually the local media is all over this type of thing calling for the backup to play. But for whatever reason, all of the local media around here are still saying Bledsoe needs to be the starter or we're done.

The interesting thing is, there is one personality around here that differs, and he says he KNOWS Romo is ready. Babe Laufenberg. Ex cowboys backup qb, and currently a local sports reporter.

I actually feel better about it knowing that the local mediots say "no", and a former nfl qb says "yes".

[DWinzit]

Either way, whoever loses this game is in for a LONG week from the local press.
The tr1 press!!!

[hkHog]

Gibbs likes Brunell a lot more than Parcells likes Bledsoe. After all, Brunell had a Pro Bowl calibre season last year, led the team to the playoffs, and won a game. He won't get pulled because of a bad performance with a new offense. Bledsoe's job security isn't nearly as good.

[Birdlives]

I think its been discussed before. If either team pulls its starting QB, they're basically playing to build on next year. I know Romo looked good in the preseason, but still, When those lights hit his eyes and he has to play against the complex schemes that people like the eagles and Skins throw at him, it will be a whole different world. Same goes for Campbell. I dont think either team will shut it down after two games. I think they'll give it four. If either team falls behind in the division by more than 3 games or goes 0-4 at that point, I'd say it's time to get the rooks some field experience.

[Ken]

Gibbs likes Brunell a lot more than Parcells likes Bledsoe. After all, Brunell had a Pro Bowl calibre season last year, led the team to the playoffs, and won a game. He won't get pulled because of a bad performance with a new offense. Bledsoe's job security isn't nearly as good.
I guess...

I just value a qb who actually throws the ball more than one that just throws screens the majority of the time.

Obviously Parcells hates Bledsoe because he drafted him and all... :doh:

[hkHog]

I guess...

I just value a qb who actually throws the ball more than one that just throws screens the majority of the time.

Obviously Parcells hates Bledsoe because he drafted him and all... :doh:

What can I say, everyone knows that in the NFL the real question is "what have you done for me lately?" Brunell has done a lot, Bledsoe has done very little.

Also, you are mistaken with your analysis that Brunell throws screens most of the time. KC Joyner says that Brunell is one of the best downfield passers in the NFL. I guess you have already forgotten about what happened in week 2 last year!

[smalex41]

This could be a season changing game for whoever loses this sunday night.QUOTE: It will definitely have a horrific impact on the loser !!

If Bledsoe plays as poorly as he did against Jacksonville, and we lose this game, I think Romo is the starter from here on out.

Although Brunell didn't play nearly as bad as Bledsoe did, if you guys lose the game, do you think Gibbs sits him down and lets either JC or Collins start?

Either way, whoever loses this game is in for a LONG week from the local press.


This is a damn big game for both squads. Lets say the Giants beat Philly.....

The winner of the skins/boys on sunday night will either be 0-2 or be in a tie for first place in the division.

[GOSKINS_08]

I wont call this game a must win for either team, and I wont say that the team that loses will be out of it, but yeah it is a big game..There is one thing for sure..If we lose all the people on here will be bitching..Actually that happens when we win or lose..

[SkinFaninOKC]

This could be a season changing game for whoever loses this sunday night.

Either way, whoever loses this game is in for a LONG week from the local press.

This is a damn big game for both squads. Lets say the Giants beat Philly.....

The winner of the skins/boys on sunday night will either be 0-2 or be in a tie for first place in the division.

I disagree to the point that 0-2 is not the end of the world. Cowboy fans know that better than anybody(Emmitt came back, Super Bowl win).

Whether or not it's a season changer remains to be seen. The way the Giants/Cowboys Monday night game ended a few seasons back was a season changer like the Thunder and Lightning Miracle in Dallass last season was for our team. Those games give you that feeling inside that you can do anything.

I agree this is big for both teams because...well...it Redskins vs. Cowboys.

[Ax]

While a loss for us would be bad, a cowboy loss will be devastating. Their season would end even faster than I thought it would. When Tuna Two Tits refuses to replace The Statue, Jerrah Nip Tuck will step in. Season over.


The cowboys are dead, they just don't know it yet. :dallasuck

[tr1]

Two games do not a season make.

[DWinzit]

Also, you are mistaken with your analysis that Brunell throws screens most of the time. KC Joyner says that Brunell is one of the best downfield passers in the NFL. I guess you have already forgotten about what happened in week 2 last year!
Let's hope he brings "it" for the rest of the season!
Screens are effective, but the combination of them and constant dump off doesn't work. Yes protection hasn't been the best, but he's got to stretch the defense! The WR's are in place for this, show off the arm! We need more passes in the 20-30 yard range.

[kingfish50]

If we lose, Gibbs will not bench Brunnell, unless he had an absolutely terrible game. Gibbs is pretty stubborn when it comes to his starting QB. Always has been.
Brunnell seems to look at one side of the field, leaving multiple receivers open as he'll throw it out of bounds. I'm not sure what the problem is. Protection was okay.
I'm not real confident going into this game. I hope Monday nights game was a wake up call to this team. Going 0-2 in the conference is not how you want to start the season.

[Birdlives]

I guess...

I just value a qb who actually throws the ball more than one that just throws screens the majority of the time.

Obviously Parcells hates Bledsoe because he drafted him and all... :doh:

Typical cowboys fan response. Your goggles couldn't be more silver and blue.

Parcells didn't draft diddly-squat in NE. Its the whole reason he left the team. He was a "chef" and didnt get to shop for the "groceries". You might want to get your facts straight before you try to make a point next time.

I love how you guys always do this. Parcells drafted Bledsoe and Curtis Martin, Spears and Canty but it was definitely Jerry Jones that gave up a third for Drew Henson. In your minds he can do no wrong. Just too funny. And you call us homers.

:rolleyes:

[BigRay]

No, if we lose this game Gibbs do not sit down Brunell down. Brunell is Gibbs' guy through and through he will stick with him to the end. That has been the knock if you will on Gibbs stick with the veterans no matter what.

[BigRay]

At the same time the pressure is more on you guys .. I mean you guys were the pre-season darlings to make it to the superbowl.

[hanster]

Mark Brunell had a pretty good all around game for it being the first game, given what he had around him, performance wise.
It sometimes amazes me how Brunell gets critisized on this board and the fact is if it had been Jason or Collins starting the score would have been worse. I also doubt that we would have had a chance to tie the game with 1 minute left on the clock and no timeouts.

[Birdlives]

Mark Brunell had a pretty good all around game for it being the first game, given what he had around him, performance wise.
It sometimes amazes me how Brunell gets critisized on this board and the fact is if it had been Jason or Collins starting the score would have been worse. I also doubt that we would have had a chance to tie the game with 1 minute left on the clock and no timeouts.

You bring up a solid point. I actually think the last minute drive where he was forced to make some throws was a good thing. Last year he was super conservative in the first two games until he had to put it on the line to take down dallas. After that he started making some plays down the field. It's almost as if he doesn't trust the WR's to make plays until he actually sees them do it. Once he's forced into doing so, things loosen up a bit. Now hopefully he sees that these guys will catch the ball and they can make some plays. Heck if the Jacksonville wr's can get 30 yard gains on solid guys like Newman, the Skins receivers should be able to do the same.

[Chachie]

As I told Who Del in his thread about the ALSO painfully obvious...

NO DUH.

[WeownU]

While a loss for us would be bad, a cowboy loss will be devastating. Their season would end even faster than I thought it would. When Tuna Two Tits refuses to replace The Statue, Jerrah Nip Tuck will step in. Season over.


The cowboys are dead, they just don't know it yet. :dallasuck


Uh.......ok :doh:

[Henry]

Gibbs likes Brunell a lot more than Parcells likes Bledsoe. After all, Brunell had a Pro Bowl calibre season last year, led the team to the playoffs, and won a game. He won't get pulled because of a bad performance with a new offense. Bledsoe's job security isn't nearly as good.


I don't think that's it exactly. I think Bledsoe and Brunell are at similar points in their respective careers, and neither is head and shoulders better than the other right now.

But Bledsoe is on a shorter leash because in Dallas the offense relies more on the QB. The Cowboys don't have a top flight RB. They have top flight WRs, so they need their guy to get the ball in their hands or their offense fails completely.

We've (hopefully) got Portis, an elite RB. He's the central focus of our offense, not the QB. So if our QB can run an efficient, mistake free game, that should be good enough. Brunell, for all his limitations, can still do that, whereas I'm not sure Bledsoe can carry a team on his shoulders anymore.

That's my opinion anyway.

[DCsportsfan53]

I assure you Bledsoe is on a much shorter leash around here than Brunell is then if thats the case.

Usually the local media is all over this type of thing calling for the backup to play. But for whatever reason, all of the local media around here are still saying Bledsoe needs to be the starter or we're done.

The interesting thing is, there is one personality around here that differs, and he says he KNOWS Romo is ready. Babe Laufenberg. Ex cowboys backup qb, and currently a local sports reporter.

I actually feel better about it knowing that the local mediots say "no", and a former nfl qb says "yes".


Maybe he thinks he's ready because he was a backup QB and pulls for backup QBs? These former players are so egotistical, for example, ask Irvin, Tom Jackson, Steve Young and Eddie George what the most important position is on a football team and they'll answer WR, LB, QB, RB in that order :laugh: . Not saying I have an opinion either way on wether Romo's ready or not but I wouldn't be surprised if the former backup is basically pulling for himself vicariously through Romo.

As far as this weekend's game, it's important but not as big as people are making it out to be. Say the Giants do beat the Eagles, so there's 3 1-1 teams and a 0-2 team. That's not exactly a big hole. It sounds big when you say "one team's winless, the others tied for the division lead" but they're only one game back. Pyschologically though, it's a huge game. Neither team is out of anything if they lose, the teams won't panic no matter how much the media does, but it'll certainly go a long way to have a win this week. Here's to a good, hard fought, injury free game :cheers:

[BKSkinsFan]

This game isn't a make or break game, it's about as big as you can get for a week 2 game, but not as big as the press will make it out to be. Sure if we lose, it's going to put a lot of question marks around our team, but I truly trust that these guys will fight their guts out for the remaining games no matter the outcome on Sunday night. With that talent on this team, that's all you can ask for is for them to give it their all, and hopefully things come together sooner than later.

I've thought all along that they would start out slow, so did many others on this board. Now that that is happening, there are way too many writing them off already. Bring in another QB, fire Hall, fire Saunders, fire GWilliams. It's ridiculous how people are reacting to us losing 1 game. Reminds me of a 4 year old losing at Candy Land and stomping off to their bedroom. If you're going to act like this over a loss, I don't consider you a true Redskin fan. If you can't deal with a little adversity, just wait and see who wins the Super Bowl and be a fan of that team.

[WeownU]

I don't think that's it exactly. I think Bledsoe and Brunell are at similar points in their respective careers, and neither is head and shoulders better than the other right now.

But Bledsoe is on a shorter leash because in Dallas the offense relies more on the QB. The Cowboys don't have a top flight RB. They have top flight WRs, so they need their guy to get the ball in their hands or their offense fails completely.

We've (hopefully) got Portis, an elite RB. He's the central focus of our offense, not the QB. So if our QB can run an efficient, mistake free game, that should be good enough. Brunell, for all his limitations, can still do that, whereas I'm not sure Bledsoe can carry a team on his shoulders anymore.

That's my opinion anyway.

Probably the best assessment I've read on here in regard to both teams situations. Good job.

[WeownU]

As far as this weekend's game, it's important but not as big as people are making it out to be. Say the Giants do beat the Eagles, so there's 3 1-1 teams and a 0-2 team. That's not exactly a big hole. It sounds big when you say "one team's winless, the others tied for the division lead" but they're only one game back. Pyschologically though, it's a huge game. Neither team is out of anything if they lose, the teams won't panic no matter how much the media does, but it'll certainly go a long way to have a win this week. Here's to a good, hard fought, injury free game :cheers:

I agree, I never said that it was "important" as far as winning the division, or anything like that, I meant it was important because it could change the look of the team for whoever loses. And after reading Henry's post, I"m pretty sure your team won't look any different if they should lose.

Dallas however is another story. No offense, but Romo has looked head and shoulders better than any of your backups, as he should since he's been here longer, and sure its preseason, but the fact remains, you got a guy on the bench who has looked stellar, and you have a first string qb who is stinking it up, it doesn't take long to figure out whats going to happen next.

[DCsportsfan53]

I agree, I never said that it was "important" as far as winning the division, or anything like that, I meant it was important because it could change the look of the team for whoever loses. And after reading Henry's post, I"m pretty sure your team won't look any different if they should lose.

Dallas however is another story. No offense, but Romo has looked head and shoulders better than any of your backups, as he should since he's been here longer, and sure its preseason, but the fact remains, you got a guy on the bench who has looked stellar, and you have a first string qb who is stinking it up, it doesn't take long to figure out whats going to happen next.


True and Romo may be a better fit for your team at this stage because of the protection problems. It's the same story as it's always been for Bledsoe, give him time, he'll light you up, rush him and he'll cough it up and take sacks. Based on last week (which doesn't mean anything for the future, really) the protection was not good enough to allow Beldsoe to succeed. If that's going to continue to be the case then Romo probably is the best option. I agree that Romo certainly looks better than any of our backup QBs at the moment and I think Henry's assesment is correct, given equal struggles Parcells will be much quicker to pull the trigger on a QB change. Whether that's the nature of the coaches, the state of development of the young backups or a combination of both, I don't know. I do believe, though, that the Redskins will have to be entirely out of the playoff picture and looking at a lost season for Brunell to get pulled. Gibbs is very loyal to his veteran QBs.

[WeownU]

Based on last week (which doesn't mean anything for the future, really) the protection was not good enough to allow Beldsoe to succeed.


I disagree. I really didn't think the protection was that bad. I didn't think he was under anymore pressure than your typical NFL football game quarterback goes through during a game.

Thats why I was so dissapointed with his effort. If he had been sacked 4 times, under tremendous pressure, I would've given him the benefit of the doubt on those INT's. I thought they were just dumb, boneheaded plays by a veteran that should have known better.

[DCsportsfan53]

I disagree. I really didn't think the protection was that bad. I didn't think he was under anymore pressure than your typical NFL football game quarterback goes through during a game.

Thats why I was so dissapointed with his effort. If he had been sacked 4 times, under tremendous pressure, I would've given him the benefit of the doubt on those INT's. I thought they were just dumb, boneheaded plays by a veteran that should have known better.


Really? I know he got hit as he threw on at least one of the INTs. Also, at some point in the third or fourth quarter I remember them flashing stats showing Bledsoe had been hit 7 times, hurried 11 or 12, ect. He spent a lot of the 2nd quarter and even more the second half running for his life. Granted, abandoning the run and the short pass game (which was very effective early) was as much to blame for the pressure as anything.

[Passizle]

This could be a season changing game for whoever loses this sunday night.

If Bledsoe plays as poorly as he did against Jacksonville, and we lose this game, I think Romo is the starter from here on out.

Although Brunell didn't play nearly as bad as Bledsoe did, if you guys lose the game, do you think Gibbs sits him down and lets either JC or Collins start?

Either way, whoever loses this game is in for a LONG week from the local press.


This is a damn big game for both squads. Lets say the Giants beat Philly.....

The winner of the skins/boys on sunday night will either be 0-2 or be in a tie for first place in the division.

Forget Brunell. He will be fine. I am more worried about our secondary. If we cant shure things up, TO will have a field day going over the middle with us.

[DCsportsfan53]

Forget Brunell. He will be fine. I am more worried about our secondary. If we cant shure things up, TO will have a field day going over the middle with us.


I believe it's all on our pass rush. If we can't get consistent pressure on Bledsoe, and we should be able to if we play well, we're done for. He'll light us the **** up. Flozell looked slow, shaky and definitely not 100%. Carter needs to take advantage of that match up. If he cannot at least force the Cowboys to commit help for Flozell and allow Griff and Daniels more room to work it's going to be an extraordinarily long day.

[WeownU]

[QUOTE=DCsportsfan53]Really? I know he got hit as he threw on at least one of the INTs. Also, at some point in the third or fourth quarter I remember them flashing stats showing Bledsoe had been hit 7 times, hurried 11 or 12, ect. QUOTE]

Maybe I've just blocked it out of my memory, but my initial reaction was that the pressure wasn't all that bad. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But even so, outside of the 1st quarter, every single pass he threw was a poor throw. Even the ones TO or Glenn caught were poor throws, they just adjusted nicely.
Poor, poor performance.

And our DB's didn't look any better than yours last week either.

[tr1]

And our DB's didn't look any better than yours last week either.

That's what lack of pass rush will do...

[freeSeanT.]

Its hard to not be uspet with the media scrutiny that the skins get across the nation; especially the heat that snyder catches for providing his team with avenues($) for improvement.

[GibbssbbiG]

.... a cowboy loss will be devastating. Their season would end even faster than I thought it would. When Tuna Two Tits refuses to replace The Statue, Jerrah Nip Tuck will step in. Season over....

Tuna Two Tits
:thumbsup: LoL, this is a very, very funny nick name for Parcells. :laugh: :rotflmao:

[DCsportsfan53]

Maybe I've just blocked it out of my memory, but my initial reaction was that the pressure wasn't all that bad. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But even so, outside of the 1st quarter, every single pass he threw was a poor throw. Even the ones TO or Glenn caught were poor throws, they just adjusted nicely.
Poor, poor performance.

And our DB's didn't look any better than yours last week either.

I thought Bledsoe played ok, didn't have much help from the line or playcalling second half. Like I said, they abandoned the run and short pass which only puts more pressure on your protection. In fairness to the DBs, they didn't play great but those were some great catches by big, physical recievers. At least they weren't getting plain old dusted like our boys were.


That's what lack of pass rush will do...


Tell me about it. It's getting old, Carter HAS to step up and help provide some pressure. He's got an excellent matchup this week and needs to take advantage.

[RedskinsNation]

If Dallas loses its tougher in more ways than one....they will be 0-2 and will have 2 weeks to deal with it....week 4 at Tenn would be a win...or so i would think.

For us...if we lose...not as big of a deal considering..

1) we are expected to lose
2) a road game
3) we have a game the following week so the loss wouldnt sting as long
4) we play Houston in that following week.

Honestly...I think Dallas will beat us on Sunday night...however i think we will win in Washington week 9 in November to split the season series.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

If Dallas loses its tougher in more ways than one....they will be 0-2 and will have 2 weeks to deal with it....week 4 at Tenn would be a win...or so i would think.

For us...if we lose...not as big of a deal considering..

1) we are expected to lose
2) a road game
3) we have a game the following week so the loss wouldnt sting as long
4) we play Houston in that following week.

Honestly...I think Dallas will beat us on Sunday night...however i think we will win in Washington week 9 in November to split the season series.

Though I agree with you, I wouldn't sleep on Houston. Maybe just the score seemed close, but Philly only beat them by 14 and Philly is playing very well right now.

[Riggo#44]

If Dallas loses its tougher in more ways than one....they will be 0-2 and will have 2 weeks to deal with it....week 4 at Tenn would be a win...or so i would think.

For us...if we lose...not as big of a deal considering..

1) we are expected to lose
2) a road game
3) we have a game the following week so the loss wouldnt sting as long
4) we play Houston in that following week.

Honestly...I think Dallas will beat us on Sunday night...however i think we will win in Washington week 9 in November to split the season series.

I agree - but I think they will win the 2 games after Dallas (@ houston and a depleted Jax at home)

[dent19]

0-2 would make us work a lil harder.... we can climb under that rock for sure