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Bostonian B&G
September-15th-2006, 10:51 AM
Just posting some of my Redskins thoughts for your consideration:

I am totally bummed out. Bummed the F out. Like all of you, I've been pumped all preseason, watching us make big pick-ups like Lloyd, Randle El, and Carter. After we signed Saunders, I figured we were legitimately on the path to the NFC Championship Game, what with our playoff success last year.

But now, at Week 2, I am exhausted with the Redskins. More than that, I'm disgusted. I'm not saying this just because we lost against Minnesota. It was a close game against a pretty good team, and while we didn't play terribly, we simply didn't get it done. Fine. One loss. What bothers me, though, is the future. Looking at our tough schedule, with so many serious issues, I can't imagine how we're going to manage to make the playoffs this year.

Is it me, or have we been fed line after line of crap this offseason? I'm not a Gibbs hater; I don't think I know more than him. But our coaches have made statements that've been so glaringly absurd, if they weren't so respected a group, they'd certainly be stoned for them:

This "2% of the playbook" nonsense? I'm sorry, but I think that's a load of crap. "We're saving everything for the regular season, for Dallas, for 'when the games count', for the 'stretch run', etc." That's bogus. If you're a good team, you come out of the gate and shut out Tampa Bay on the road. You destroy a lousy Raiders team on the road, like you should. You beat a tough Giants team in the 4th quarter - on the road. You don't make excuses for why your team looked so unimpressive at home in front of the most adoring, raucous fans in the NFL.

After the loss, "We saw a lot of good things," said the coaching staff. Really? Because I saw an unaggressive team that refused to seize the game in the second half. I saw Mark Brunell throwing it away - in the RED ZONE. I saw Ladell Betts being largely ineffective. And I saw our secondary being absolutely TORCHED by a pedestrian receiving corps. After a totally deflating loss like that, I want to see some concern from our coaches. I don't want to hear about diminished positives and moral victories. I want to know why our team came out unprepared to play - at home - against a team we should have (and needed to) beat given our grueling schedule. I want to know why Al Saunders and his lauded offense only went deep twice - especially when it looked like it was working. I want to know why we made FOUR visits inside the 10-yard line - and didn't use T.J. Duckett ONCE. I want to know why Chris Cooley, "Captain Chaos", was the invisible man. How come nobody could answer those questions?

What's another line we've been fed? How about the ongoing faith in John Hall? I know it's too late to do anything about it - and I'm not calling for Novak - but did anyone, for one second, believe the confidence spoken by the coaches at any point during the offseason? All about a guy who's been so frail during his Redskins tenure, he's become a kicker who can't kickoff? A kicker who is incapable of consistency beyond 40 yards? Tell me, what's to be confident about? Obviously, chip shots and pulled hammies aren't what we need. Kickers are paid to do two things: nail long-distance, clutch FGs; and kick touchbacks. And we have a guy who we've known - for a long time now - is incapable of both. When addressing him, I think what the coaching staff is trying to mask is the fact a guy like Hall is better than say, Ola Kimrin or Jose Cortez. Fine. I agree. But don't feed me these lines about how Hall's so great, so reliable, so healthy. Hall isn't any of those things. It burns me every time I have to watch Gibbs profess these lies.

I wasn't surprised when we came out tepid against Minnesota. How could anybody expect a team who did absolutely nothing in the preseason to come out and be successful? Who among us really believed we were going to come out with offensive fireworks? It was totally unplausible. I understand the exhibition games don't count, but when have you ever seen a coaching staff openly throw the preseason (which, yes, is exactly what we did)? This, to me, was a boneheaded, embarrassing move. I'm in shock it came from the Hall of Famer.

Now, we have Dallas on deck. Severely pissed-off Dallas, dealing with the stigma of an opening day loss, having been embarrassed by us twice last year, AND a QB controversy to boot. We have to go nito Texas and play them with a secondary utterly lacking in depth (how was this ever allowed to happen?) Dallas should scorch us. Nothing suggests the Redskins' secondary can keep up with Dallas' passing game whatsoever. We plan to pressure Bledsoe? Have we managed to create a pash rush thus far in preseason, or against Minnesota? Carlos Rogers (who isn't as bad as people are making him out to be) on T.O.? Kenny Wright on Terry Glenn? It's absurd! It should be a debacle. Us, with our screen passes and battered Portis, trying to keep up against a Dallas team who needs a victory more a lot more than we do, playing at home, and with the time-bomb of T.O. ticking on their sideline? Frankly, I don't think we stand a chance.

Now, for the hope.

I hope I'm wrong. I HOPE I'M WRONG. I hope, that on Monday morning, I can come back to ExtremeSkins and be wrong about EVERYTHING I've written in this post. I hope that Gibbs and the coaching staff can prove me to be just another ignorant, unknowing fan who couldn't help but expect a Dallas loss, being just a clueless observer from afar. I hope that's what I am. And I'll root for the Skins loudly just like I always do, today and tomorrow, 16-0 & 0-16.

But damn, don't I have reason to be in a funk?

chow184
September-15th-2006, 11:00 AM
i'll condense what the above users entire rant was

offense,wah wah
wah
wah
i hope I'm wrong
wah

ntotoro
September-15th-2006, 11:03 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/newcastle/stories/Gary_Glitt_m1099155.jpg

#98QBKiller
September-15th-2006, 11:03 AM
Just give up man. The game has passed Gibbs by and we're going 0-16 this year. The first game of the year is ALWAYS telling of the rest of the season. Just ask Carolina and Denver. Lose hope, CP's already done for the year and Archuleta, Randle El, and LLoyd are all overpaid and overhyped, mediocre players at best....and Al Saunders? Ha! What has he done in the past to get everyone so excited? Nothing! That's what. We should have never got rid of Lavar and we would be much better off if we still had Patrick Ramsey. :rolleyes:

DieHard86
September-15th-2006, 11:03 AM
Yes, you have the right. You are a Redskins fan. The league hates us, the refs hate us, and the media wishes we disappeared. We've been misled and disappointed and screwed in the past. Losing to Minnesota was something I thought would never happen. I could not fathom 0-1. But in 2004 when we beat Tampa Bay, I could not fathom losing the next four. It was inconceivable.

The season has weird twists and turns, but you gotta believe these coaches have enough talent at their disposal to make something out of this season. Its 0-0 and we can win on Sunday night.

skins1972
September-15th-2006, 11:04 AM
11. Please do not use the “Quote” feature to quote huge blocks of text or pictures.
If you would like to respond to the contents of a particular post, simply quote the sentence or idea that you're commenting upon, not necessarily the entire post. It wastes space on the database and unnecessarily extends and clutters threads.

I agree with most of what you said and I am not sure what this season has in store for us... But I have no choice but to put my trust in Gibbs. Everything looks like doom and gloom and it even feels like it, I personally have no hope for this Sunday night game but I will be cheering and screaming at home at my TV... Stranger things have happened in the past, maybe and just maybe the Gods of Football might smile upon us coming this Sunday night.

HTTR

casey56
September-15th-2006, 11:05 AM
I can understand your argument - those are some good points. I totally agree about John Hall. He can't make FG's over 40 yards or kickoff - why are we paying him? Also, you really have to question not showing ANY offense during the preseason, because Monday's game was the first time they really ran the offense and (surprise) they were not executing as well as they should have. The things they did before the snap were great, but after the snap not so much (with the exception of the TD drive). I hope they get their stuff together this week, otherwise we're in for a rude awakening in Dallas. But even after all of that, I still have to trust Gibbs. I mean we won 6 games in a row at the end of last season - the first game is not everything.

tr1
September-15th-2006, 11:05 AM
Prozac candidate.

MossIsDaBoss
September-15th-2006, 11:05 AM
Yeah, that was too much to read.

Just try and relax, we have 15 more games to play and all of them are winable.

onedrop
September-15th-2006, 11:13 AM
no need to hope, you ARE wrong.

70th Week
September-15th-2006, 11:16 AM
single best post of the week partly because I agree with most of what he said.I'm sick of all the smoke and mirrors and "just wait and see" from these coaches and fans.If I'm wrong I have no trouble at all eating crow (It tastes good sometimes)but since the return of Gibbs I have been overly excited every start of the season but this year just seems like I am feeling a let down and truly was letdown after that bullsh** performance on Mon. night.

jwebst1
September-15th-2006, 11:40 AM
single best post of the week partly because I agree with most of what he said.I'm sick of all the smoke and mirrors and "just wait and see" from these coaches and fans.If I'm wrong I have no trouble at all eating crow (It tastes good sometimes)but since the return of Gibbs I have been overly excited every start of the season but this year just seems like I am feeling a let down and truly was letdown after that bullsh** performance on Mon. night.

agreed.

SC3
September-15th-2006, 12:04 PM
You'll have to give the offense several weeks before the offense starts working. It took half a season for Saunder's Kansas City offense to begin to show up with Trent Green and Priest Holmes (with the exception of the game against Marty's Redskins). They finished 6-10.

For now we need to ride on the defense, until the offense gets comfortable in the system.

red dot in a sea of blue
September-15th-2006, 12:08 PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


I"M SAD BECAUSE I THOUGHT SOMETHING.....


If you can't handle the pre-season and one game, you're going to have a tough time with the game of football.

Here's the facts. We were staring at 5-6 last year and I heard all this same crap. We run off 5 in a row and everyone says we're going to the superbowl this year. We lose 4 meaninless pre-season games and a tough loss we could/should have won and we're back to this....


Grow up, or root for a team that will never be good so you can always have something to complain about.

It's football. It's a new year. It's a new offense. What if Minny goes on to the NFC Chamionship this year, will losing by 3 seem so bad then? It's all about perspective, man, and you need to get some.

If you don't like losing, root for the Yankees.

If you don't like winning, root for the Devil Rays, it seem football's not your sport.

And please STFU with your BS 2 days before Dallas. If you want to complain go to a political site whaere that's all they do. I don't need to read about this when I'm getting pumped up for a HUGE game. You know what else? if we lose this week, I still don't care. I'm a REDSKIN fan. I support this team and hope they win EVERY week, and if they don't, they don't. I get just as upset as the next guy, but what can you do about it? Get over it and move on to the next game. Oh.... BTW the "next game" happens to be our arch rival......

If we go 0-8 then I'll listen to this, but until then, maybe you should watch a sport where everybody wins so you won't pollute this web site with all the bitching and moaning. And please don't think this is an attack on you personally. I'm addressing the 100's and 100's of posters that think we're finished because of ONE loss.....

There's no such thing as a perfect team that plays perfectly every game. We have a very talented team with the best coaching staff in the NFL. We very well could win the Super Bowl, and we very well could not make the play offs. I don't just root for the Redskins because they're supposed to be a good team. I root for them because I love the Redskins. If we play to our potential no one can stop us. If we don't, I still love the Redskins. Do you? Cause it sure doesn't sound like it.


:helmet:forever

Murdering Purple Turds
September-15th-2006, 12:15 PM
Yeah, I've got to agree with this guy too. He's not saying all is lost, but the thought is entering his mind, and if it hasn't entered yours, then you must have a different flavor of kool-aid than me.

We lost to a bad team. I don't care if they go 16-0, they suck. Was that an oxymoron? Yes. Am I a moron? Even more of a possibility.

But we lost to the Vikings, with Brad (12-team reject) Johnson at the helm and my right shoe at receiver and my left shoe as running back.

And, there really isn't anyone to blame really. Coaching...maybe a little; injuries...surely. But the air of doubt should be creeping in, even if you won't admit it.

And, like the first poster said, I hope I'm wrong too. I usually am about sports, so that should bode well for Redskins nation.

jpgirth
September-15th-2006, 12:16 PM
Did you really think that this would be easy?

BuddyLeeGhostHunter
September-15th-2006, 12:16 PM
I think the poster has a good point. You can call him a crybaby all you want but the plain fact is that we do NOT have a win yet, either in pre-season or regular. Until we do get that eventual win, I think he has the priveledge to complain.

Football has it's shakes and turns, all one can do is have faith.

Art McDonough
September-15th-2006, 12:29 PM
Part of the problem in losing to Minnesota is we really don't know how good they are this year. Like most fans, I had put this game down in the win column but that was based on last year. It's unfortunate we have to follow that loss with a trip to Dallas, a team that has lots of motivation to beat up on us this week: playing at home, the way we beat them last year in front of their own crowd, the fact we swept them last year, and their desire not to go 0-2 (of course we have that same problem there). I think they and their fans will be sky high so we better be ready. But after having said all that, any right thinking fan has to question why this offense could only put six points on the board I don't care who they are playing. And we certainly have to hope that the defense is more capable than it appeared. As far as the kicking game, I don't know how anyone couldn't see this coming. I believe we can turn it around but I hope we don't have to take half the season to do it.

gclark84
September-15th-2006, 12:30 PM
I agree with most of what you said. I love Joe Gibbs and have every confidence that he will figure out a way.

I also wondered about preseason and had serious doubts that our offence would suddenly turn into the KC Chiefs of the last few years. I also knew that Hall would miss that FG. I was praying that we had the 1st down so that we could get closer but when I saw him come in the game and saw the distance I knew the game was over and unfortunatley I was right@


I am very concerned about this game and how we are going to cover TO, Glenn and Whitten when we could not contain the less talented Viking receivers. You are not alone... Believe me.

I like you and most people on this board live and die with the Redskins and as fans we have a right to voice what we see and not stick our heads in the sand and pretend everything will suddenly be all right!

I believe that we are a playoff team and with players getting healthy and Saunders system taking hold we may even make a run at the SB but seeing is believing and so far we have not seen as much as I would have liked or expected.

Joe Gibbs is a HOF coach and has the best staff in the NFL. He also has 3 SB rings and knows alot more than I do so I will defer to his vast knowledge. He is and always will be my favorite coach because he loves the Redskins as much as we do!!!!

I have no choice but to believe in Joe. He restored respectabilty back to this franchise the minute he signed up for his 2nd term!


That being said you do have the right to worry based on what we have seen and I felt that you brought up excellant points that have crossed the minds of a large majority of us on this site!!!

Bostonian B&G
September-15th-2006, 12:44 PM
... Grow up, or root for a team that will never be good so you can always have something to complain about...

... If you don't like losing, root for the Yankees...

... maybe you should watch a sport where everybody wins so you won't pollute this web site with all the bitching and moaning...

... I don't just root for the Redskins because they're supposed to be a good team. I root for them because I love the Redskins. If we play to our potential no one can stop us. If we don't, I still love the Redskins. Do you? Cause it sure doesn't sound like it.



Usually, I don't respond to replies like this, but this one was so flagrantly off-base it couldn't be left unaddressed.

Not only have I been accused of being a fair-weather fan, but it's been suggested I'm not even cut out to follow the sport. Listen pal, I'm not just a fan of the Redskins; I'm a season-ticket holder who doesn't even live around DC. Week after week, while most are lucky to get to drive to FedEx, I fly from Boston to watch the Skins live. So don't come to this board with your haughty ignorance and empty accusations. You know nothing about me, the quality of my fandom, or frankly, anything else regarding the Redskins' current quality and future. NONE OF US DO.

Who, on this board, can say with rock-solid conviction, that the Skins will make the playoffs? Win the Super Bowl? Miss the playoffs? Nobody. We, the fans, don't know. The players don't know. Not even our heralded "messiah", Joe Gibbs, knows. Yet week after week, I come to this board and sift through vacant posts by people who've gotten drunk on the Joe Gibbs Kool-Aid.

Listen people, the Redskins aren't religion. Don't confuse faith in your team with a sincere, religious faith. This forum exists for the explicit purpose of discussing the ups-and-downs of the Redskins, of questioning the players, coaching staff, referees, and fans. The moderators of ExtremeSkins surely didn't intend on this site being a blind, ongoing pep rally. This forum encourages us, the fans, to question our coaches within a community, wonder aloud what's going to happen, collectively allay our fears and find comfort when the team is struggling. That is why this place exists.

I didn't need to justify my fandom to anybody, least of all somebody writing within the comfortable (and sometimes cowardly) anonymity of the internet. But I do so because I believe, since the return of Gibbs, our Redskins fanship has been split. There are those who blindly support Gibbs, and anybody else who questions the system gets beat down in the boards for not "having faith". This is wrong. I'm sick and tired of getting replies like this, from people chastising me for using this forum appropriately.

I will root for the Redskins each week, I will attend every game I can, and I will follow them as intensely and as optimistically as I can. I'm a life-long, second-generation Skins fan who bleeds Burgundy & Gold like most of you. But the Gibbs total adoration has to stop. Gibbs is a man - a very decent, admirable, but still flawed man. And we have the right as people and Redskins fans to discuss what we believe to be his flaws as a head coach. And hey, if you just want to have a Gibbs love-fest, that's totally cool - simply post in the appropriate place. But don't crack on us who REALLY want to talk Redskins football.

That's what ExtremeSkins is for.

Hail.

oraphus
September-15th-2006, 12:49 PM
Even though i agree w majority of what you're saying.. there are several thngs to remember. And this loss at home really hurt.
1. It will take a while to get our offence going (new system)
2. i expect a D to pit out a much better effort this week, but they also have a tougher competition
3. even if we start slow, there is no reason why we cant get going in the 2nd hald of the season and win 4,5,6 strait to claim a playoff spot.

To be completely honest i dont like what i have seen so far from our team, but with ammount of talent we have on the field and with the coaches.. i belive its just a matte of time before the team figure it out and uses the correct combination of personel/ plays.

BuddyLeeGhostHunter
September-15th-2006, 12:50 PM
:) What an intelligent, well thought out post.

ntotoro
September-15th-2006, 01:03 PM
Yet week after week, I come to this board and sift through vacant posts by people who've gotten drunk on the Joe Gibbs Kool-Aid.

If I read the term "Kool-Aid" one more time I'll throw that poster in a woodchipper.

Inigo Montoya
September-15th-2006, 01:17 PM
Part of the problem in losing to Minnesota is we really don't know how good they are this year.

Man, I've been thinking this all week.

And Boston Bleeder of B&G I agree you should have every right to complain about our team, they f-ing dissapointed us on national TV. I too flew in for that game and I have had a hole in my stomach all f-ing week!!!

Please everyone quit being so pointed about a different point of view!!! Its not like B&G is a Cowboys fan or something, this is someone who probably (hopefully) lost their voice on MNF to help the team. F*** why can't we get along?

HailRiggoRanger
September-15th-2006, 01:26 PM
If nothing else, it's a very well-written post in terms of grammar and style. I can see how some fans might be worried at this point, but I'm confident everything will turn out fine.

ntotoro
September-15th-2006, 01:27 PM
It's Friday of Dallas week and the game is two days away. Let's move along.

This entire thread belonged four days ago in one of a couple dozen different threads.