Blaming the FG kicker

[TriangleSkinsFan]

ok I am not a big fan of John Hall right now, mostly becasue I think he shoukd be kicking off the ball to the opponents 1 yd line but....

As far as Hall and the FGs go... Yeah it would have been nice if he made the 4th one but the truth is Hall made the first 3 and scored more points than Brunell, Portis, Moss, ARE, Lloyd, Cooley, Sellers, and Betts ....combined. You may want to cut the guy a break. Even if he had made it, it would not have won the game, only tied it up and the O would still be in the position of having to score.

Bottom line the O must produce TDs in order for the team to win games.

[FunBunch7]

When you are kicking field goals that are 30 yards long, you are SUPPOSED to make them. Its the 40 plus yarders where a kicker actually earns his money.

[TriangleSkinsFan]

When you are kicking field goals that are 30 yards long, you are SUPPOSED to make them. Its the 40 plus yarders where a kicker actually earns his money.

The O had the ball inside the Minesota 10 yard line 4 times and came away with 1 TD. I see that as more of a problem than Hall making only 3 of 4 FG attempts, missing the 48 yarder.

[Enter Apotheosis]

The O had the ball inside the Minesota 10 yard line 4 times and came away with 1 TD. I see that as more of a problem than Hall making only 3 of 4 FG attempts, missing the 48 yarder.

Hall hasn't made one from beyond 40 yet in 2006. Isn't this a bit concerning for you?

Obviously we have to convert in the red zone... but missing game-critical field goals is a serious problem. Just look at Dallas, they have been screwed every which way thanks to spectacular kicking the last couple of years (and I love it :cheers: ).

[Capt'n Obvious]

I dont blame Hall for the loss, I just think he should be able to make that FG.

[TriangleSkinsFan]

Hall hasn't made one from beyond 40 yet in 2006. Isn't this a bit concerning for you?

Honestly, yes...however he has missed 2 kicks in 2006, not like he has missed a kick every Q of every game or something

Look at it for what it is...

Week 1 of preseason, he makes the only kick he is asked to make and it is a 38 yd kick, can he do better than make the kick? no

Week 2 of preseason, he isn't given a chance to kick a FG

Week 3 of preseason, he is asked to kick a 43 yd FG, which is blocked. Only so much responsibility he can take for that.

Week 4 of preseason, he makes a 30 yd FG and misses a 42 yd FG.

For the 2006 preseason, he makes 2 of 3 kicks that he has a chance to make, yes he missed the 42 yd kick he should of made.

For the 2006 regular season... 1 game, 3 out of 4 FGs he makes missing the 48 yarder which is long kick for any kicker, but realistically we all expect him to make the score.

All this... he has missed less 40+ yd kicks in 5 games (2) as the O has missed TD opportunities inside the 10 in just the last game(3).


Again, I expect Hall to make the kicks and I don't like that he isn't kicking booming kick offs. but really...He isn't to blame for the scoring problems, not when he scores 10 points by himself and the entire offense only scores 6.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

What's the over/under on the week of the season that he hurts himself? Week 6? Week 7?

We have a kicker who is worthless beyond 40 yards, cannot kick-off, and almost guaranteed to get injured at some point.

Aside from that, he is great.

[TriangleSkinsFan]

I'm not saying Hall is great.... I would rather have Novak back.

All I am saying is that Hall cannot be blamed for the loss specifically or generally. The Offense needs to to score TDs. Hall missing 1 out fo 4 kicks regardless of how long it is has nothing to do with the O not being able to get into the End Zone, which is the real problem.

If the plan is to 3 an opposing team to death then yes the Skins need a better kicker. I think the strategy ought to have somehting to do with scoring more TDs personally.

[SKINS FAN #56]

The O had the ball inside the Minesota 10 yard line 4 times and came away with 1 TD. I see that as more of a problem than Hall making only 3 of 4 FG attempts, missing the 48 yarder.


man i agree with u soooo badly..if those redzone trips were successful, we wouldnt have to put that much pressure on hall..hes a great kicker, and we should've converted on those redzone trips

[raperry2]

The O had the ball inside the Minesota 10 yard line 4 times and came away with 1 TD. I see that as more of a problem than Hall making only 3 of 4 FG attempts, missing the 48 yarder.

thats where youre wrong. BOTH are a problem! DUH!

[seanyt]

I'd point out a lot more areas of weakness before I put the finger on Hall. You can start with that Hyped up C. Rodgers who got burned all game last week and proceeded to pound his chest as if he had something to do with the reciever 7 yards in front of him who had the ball go through his arms and hands all game, or perhaps lack of Red Zone efficency (T.D.'s).

[mikeyf316]

ok I am not a big fan of John Hall right now, mostly becasue I think he shoukd be kicking off the ball to the opponents 1 yd line but....

As far as Hall and the FGs go... Yeah it would have been nice if he made the 4th one but the truth is Hall made the first 3 and scored more points than Brunell, Portis, Moss, ARE, Lloyd, Cooley, Sellers, and Betts ....combined. You may want to cut the guy a break. Even if he had made it, it would not have won the game, only tied it up and the O would still be in the position of having to score.

Bottom line the O must produce TDs in order for the team to win games.

And none of those factual points absolve Hall from his responsibility to make a FG to win the game when called for. I don't care if we have to score 60 points to win off of 20 FG, it's his job, and he better do it. Otherwise, pick up your last paycheck and turn in the key to your locker. 48 yards is not unreasonable. Make the damn kick! :mad:

[TheGift]

John Hall sucks.

[BobDigi]

Or at least kick it in the general direction of the uprights... I think I remember somebody on the radio say that he didn't even hit the net.

Regardless, red-zone productivity > 48 yd field goal even if he had made it.

[TriangleSkinsFan]

And none of those factual points absolve Hall from his responsibility to make a FG to win the game when called for. I don't care if we have to score 60 points to win off of 20 FG, it's his job, and he better do it. Otherwise, pick up your last paycheck and turn in the key to your locker. 48 yards is not unreasonable. Make the damn kick! :mad:


Using your logic...the entire offense should turn in the keys to thier lockers.

As I said before...even if he had made the kick, it would not have won the game. The O still would have needed to show up.

again, just pointing out that Hall isn't to blame for the loss.

[dizzinator53]

John Hall looks funny too. Like a baby or something.

[Mr_ Skinshead]

Hall hasn't made one from beyond 40 yet in 2006. Isn't this a bit concerning for you?

Obviously we have to convert in the red zone... but missing game-critical field goals is a serious problem. Just look at Dallas, they have been screwed every which way thanks to spectacular kicking the last couple of years (and I love it :cheers: ).


Yes it is a bit concerning, but not nearly as concerning as the fact that our "all world" coaching staff sent him onto the field to attempt an Hall-impossible field goal.

[iwasdoinit]

We have been hampered by inconsistent field goal kicking, not just last year, but going back ten years. So many games were lost due to poor kicking. That's the reason they went after Hall in the first place. But that was a long kick for anybody. Now we are kicking off to the twenty yard line, which puts pressure on the whole special teams unit as well as the rest of the team. Field position is key. I can remember the Skins' special teams of the 80's as a swarming mob that often tipped the game in our favor. We need some attitude, like Sean Taylor's crushing block during that punt return.

[RedskinsFan06]

Yes it is a bit concerning, but not nearly as concerning as the fact that our "all world" coaching staff sent him onto the field to attempt an Hall-impossible field goal.

Thank You!!!!!!!Finally someone understands!!!!

What morons. They know Hall sucks from past 30 yards! We had 17 secs. Enough for 2 plays! There's a greater chance of a bomb to Santana then Hall hitting a 48 yard FG.

[Peregrine]

Yeah, as bad as that was that Hall kicked it, our offensive and defensive playcalling was really bad in that game. Every 1st and 2nd down we stuffed them, then dropped back into a zone on almost EVERY 3rd down and got beat with the pass(Hello GW??). On offense, every 3rd down they would blitz, and we never tried to run any RB screens or dump passes(except that one near the very end knocked down by the Dlinemen). Theres no excuse for our D getting torn that up that much on 3rd and long EVERY FREAKIN TIME.

[sumodat]

What's the over/under on the week of the season that he hurts himself? Week 6? Week 7?

We have a kicker who is worthless beyond 40 yards, cannot kick-off, and almost guaranteed to get injured at some point.

Aside from that, he is great.

I might be being a little optimistic here, but I think this miss actually affected him. I think most kickers just shake off a miss and get ready for the next. Well, I think this affected Hall, and I think he is going to actually make a strong comeback!

He is a competitor! I think he will play a vital part this Sunday night. He will either win it for us, or keep us in it. Just a hunch, I guess...