Jason Campbell??? Give me a Break!!!!

[SolidSnake84]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

[Drunken Master III]

Which game did you watch? The Skins played the Cowboys last night. :laugh:

Jason Campbell had a good preseason.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

you should do stand up

[andyburd]

Wake up dude, we are 0-2, can't do any worse. And Campbell never played with the first team in the pre season. We are not going anywhere this year, we need to get our future QB out there

[SolidSnake84]

Wake up dude, we are 0-2, can't do any worse. And Campbell never played with the first team in the pre season. We are not going anywhere this year, we need to get our futuer QB out there


Were 0-2 yes...and that is solely Brunells Fault??? Why don't we just pull the whole damn team and use the practice squad...The whole team sucks, but I don't see anyone talking about pulling anyone else...Everyone always blames the QB...And those people are the ones who know nothing about football...My god how many excuses do you people need to make for Campbell...Boo F'ing Hoo

[TankRizzo]

Wake up dude, we are 0-2, can't do any worse. And Campbell never played with the first team in the pre season. We are not going anywhere this year, we need to get our futuer QB out there
0-2 is WAY too early to say we're not going anywhere.

That said, we are definitley not going anywhere if Brunell remains the starter and continues to play the way he has.

[SolidSnake84]

0-2 is WAY too early to say we're not going anywhere.

That said, we are definitley not going anywhere if Brunell remains the starter and continues to play the way he has.

Brunell is a proven Veteran...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF OUR POOR SECONDARY...JESUS CHRIST BRUNELL IS ONE MAN AND YOU ALL BLAME HIM...HE MUST BE PRETTY TALENTED TO LOSE 2 GAMES ON HIS OWN...GIVE ME A BREAK

[cpnasty]

Were 0-2 yes...and that is solely Brunells Fault??? Why don't we just pull the whole damn team and use the practice squad...The whole team sucks, but I don't see anyone talking about pulling anyone else...Everyone always blames the QB...And those people are the ones who know nothing about football...My god how many excuses do you people need to make for Campbell...Boo F'ing Hoo
is that you Scot Brunell:laugh:

[SolidSnake84]

is that you Scot Brunell:laugh:

Just someone who knows the sport of Football!!!

[Pete]

WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

This is the only part of you post I will address. Calling the general membership idiots isn't a great way to make your point. Name calling is frowned on in general. You need to find a better way to express yourself in the future.

[alwrld]

Here is all i know... if Jason would have started, we wouldn't of been any worst than 0-2.

Brunell sucks! Including last yrs playoffs, Big B is averaging about 100 yds a game. Jason maybe young, but i think he could do at least that well.

[Supreme Wu]

Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...

Campbell hasn't shown anything but you know he's the next Patrick Ramsey. You're super smart. I'd like to start you at QB

[SolidSnake84]

This is the only part of you post I will address. Calling the general membership idiots isn't a great way to make your point. Name calling is frowned on in general. You need to find a better way to express yourself in the future.

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

[SolidSnake84]

Campbell hasn't shown anything but you know he's the next Patrick Ramsey. You're super smart. I'd like to start you at QB


Hasn't shown anything POSITIVE!!!! UNDERSTAND NOW!!!

[TankRizzo]

Brunell is a proven Veteran...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF OUR POOR SECONDARY...JESUS CHRIST BRUNELL IS ONE MAN AND YOU ALL BLAME HIM...HE MUST BE PRETTY TALENTED TO LOSE 2 GAMES ON HIS OWN...GIVE ME A BREAK


The offensive line isn't missing wide open players, the offensive line isn't one hopping the ball to receivers, the offensive line isn't dropping 20 yards behind the pocket and throwing the ball away on 3rd down....you get the point.

Brunell is a shell of his former self. He's a veteran, I'll give you that much, but his stats in J-ville certainly aren't transferring here to washington. Heck, his stats in Jacksonville aren't even all that impressive IMO. Brunell's arm is shot, he's not even looking to go down field because he knows they're floaters and he's going to get picked off. He has all of the arm strength of Danny Wuerffel. He's playing the complete opposite of how Favre is playing now. Favre feels pressure and forces the ball downfield into throws he shouldn't make. Brunell simply isn't making the throws at all. He'd rather run out of the pocket and throw the ball away than try to make something happen downfield.

...and trust me, I'm no Jason Cambell fan. I was one of the biggest critics of that move during the draft, I STILL think it was a horrible trade to get the pick to draft him. I've had enough though....Brunell looks like the same guy who limped into the playoffs and was a liability rather than an assett to the team. It's time to let someone else who has the ability and balls to take a shot downfield have a crack at the job.

[smashmowf]

49 posts and he's calling people idiots.....oooookay buddy.....

[APBT]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[VegunN]

I agree 100%, no, he hasn't performed up to expectations/par. But you can't just throw a severley (sp) unproven QB out there. Brunell IS the best chance we've got. But we have alot more to work on than him. I agree Campbell IS the FUTURE, but not the now. We have issues all over the field. It's still early in the season, we're not out of it just yet. We have to figure out what's not working on the O-line, get C. Po. and Springs on the field, and be less conservative on play calling. I realize Brunell well, sucked ass, last night. But as fans we have to be behind him and Gibbs' decision to keep him in. That's all I've got.:2cents::2cents:

[smashmowf]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

If you are that displeased with the site....why even post here.... :doh:

[TankRizzo]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across



I think the point is that you are resulting to petty namecalling rather than countering with a civilized arguement ;)

[Drunken Master III]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across


Sit back, breathe, and relax.... lol. Take a chill pill. Maybe you are Scott Brunell. :laugh:

[Enter Apotheosis]

Brunell is a proven Veteran...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF OUR POOR SECONDARY...JESUS CHRIST BRUNELL IS ONE MAN AND YOU ALL BLAME HIM...HE MUST BE PRETTY TALENTED TO LOSE 2 GAMES ON HIS OWN...GIVE ME A BREAK

Man knows how to make a point... just shout and scream until everyone else gives in :rolleyes:


Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

People here overreact to losses. You overreact to said people in a manner that is atleast ten times worse than anyone I've seen who was not drunk and/or soon banned. You haven't given us evidence of anything, you have failed to make a real case for what you say, you're just ranting and turning the entire board against you.

Use some friggin common sense :doh:

[AUskins]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

Sounds like a troll post knowing the sentiment on this board. Nothing in your post is true.

[AUskins]

Just someone who knows the sport of Football!!!

Thats the funniest thing ive heard in a long time.

[NewCliche21]

Hasn't shown anything POSITIVE!!!! UNDERSTAND NOW!!!

Snake? It's me, Otacon. Calm down, Snake. The FOXDIE virus is clearly getting to you. (If you don't get it, then don't ask)

Anyway, Campbell hasn't shown anything positive? Just watch the few games that he's been in. He needs experience, man. Houston is a great time for him to get it. They're not that tough, but it's still a reuglar-season game. Brunell is only going to get worse. Remember: I love Mark, but, he's on the decline. Look forward.

[BleedBNG]

Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!
If Gibbs said that Campbell would play the next week if Brunell gets injured, that is in essence being your #2. Collins playing the rest of the game is just cleanup.

[Fan035]

What could possibly be worse than what we've witnessed these past two games? Put Campbell in. At least, he can throw the ball downfield.

[jaydub]

Did you see the wobley pass that hung in the air that Roy Williams intercepted? That was the end of any momentum the team had. How is Cambell any diffrent from other QBs that get to start there 1st year. Is he too dumb and has to learn from Brunell? If anything he'll learn how not to take shots down the field, oh, and how to drop back 10 or more yards and keep holding and holding and holding and holding and holding and holding the ball. Start Cambell and he'll do just as good as any other rookie QB if givin a chance.

[Buck812]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across



I have a bad feeling about this post... :doh:

[Mikeoz]

Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...

LOL, that's a funny one..

What games have you been watching? Campbell has the arm strength of Ramsey, but can put touch on the ball like Brunell. Campbell throws a MUCH nicer deep ball than Ramsey because Ramsey put zero touch on the ball. With Ramsey, the catch was either right on the money, or an incomplete pass. It didn't hang at all to let the receiver adjust. Brunell's fast ball looks like Campbell throwing off his back foot w/ his left hand.. :silly: Ok but seriously, Campbell has excellent composure and looks solid overall. He has great touch to drop balls in spots, but has PLENTY of arm strength for quick passes and out routes.

I can remember a number of times where brunell's passes on out routes hung in the air and caused the ball to get there a little late and the receiver to take a hit. Brunell is a veteran, but he's gettin old, and his arms and legs show it. He seems to have a lot of trouble throwing the ball down the middle (shorter height and weaker arm?).

[SoCalRedskinFan]

I agree 100%, no, he hasn't performed up to expectations/par. But you can't just throw a severley (sp) unproven QB out there. Brunell IS the best chance we've got. But we have alot more to work on than him. I agree Campbell IS the FUTURE, but not the now. We have issues all over the field. It's still early in the season, we're not out of it just yet. We have to figure out what's not working on the O-line, get C. Po. and Springs on the field, and be less conservative on play calling. I realize Brunell well, sucked ass, last night. But as fans we have to be behind him and Gibbs' decision to keep him in. That's all I've got.:2cents::2cents:

I am a Brunell fan. Let establish that first. But there has to come a time when you need to say, "hey, I cant do it anymore" and I am starting to think that this is his time. I've seen some great plays from the guy over the years and would like nothing more then to watch him catch some of that old magic and win a ring. But those moments of magic from him are becoming fewer and farther between. That said.
When is the time to play Cambell? If we are going to get him in there and get him the reps in a REAL NFL game with the first team, what better team to do it against then the Texans? I say let get the kid out there and let him get over his growing pains.
HAIL

[TD Riggo]

WOW!! If we are to believe the originator of this thread, we are truly doomed for the foreseeable future! If "Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball," then Gibbs, et al have doomed this team to failure for the next decade. We traded the player with the "better long ball" to the Jits, and we are stuck with a player that we will never utilize and eventually trade to the Jits in a few years.

Even Gibbs once told Riggo that it was time to walk into the sunset!

[TankRizzo]

I agree 100%, no, he hasn't performed up to expectations/par. But you can't just throw a severley (sp) unproven QB out there. Brunell IS the best chance we've got. But we have alot more to work on than him. I agree Campbell IS the FUTURE, but not the now. We have issues all over the field. It's still early in the season, we're not out of it just yet. We have to figure out what's not working on the O-line, get C. Po. and Springs on the field, and be less conservative on play calling. I realize Brunell well, sucked ass, last night. But as fans we have to be behind him and Gibbs' decision to keep him in. That's all I've got.:2cents::2cents:

I shouldn't HAVE to believe in anything. I have my opinion, God forbid it should clash w/ Gibbs' decision to keep an unproductive QB on the field. If anyone has to prove anything, it's Brunell, he HAS to prove why he's still the starting QB. If he continues to suck, people are going to continue to complain.

Blame the O-line, blame the penalties, whatever. Enough of the blame, I want to see production and from my perspective, I ain't seeing it out of Brunell. The blame isn't 100% square on his shoulders, but I'd say the majority of it is. He's makign nothing happen out there and that's been my biggest criticism of him since he's been here. He'll throw the ball away rather than trying to make something happen down field.

[NewCliche21]

LOL, that's a funny one..

What games have you been watching? Campbell has the arm strength of Ramsey, but can put touch on the ball like Brunell. Brunell's fast ball looks like Campbell throwing off his back foot w/ his left hand.. :silly: Ok but seriously, Campbell has excellent composure and looks solid overall. He has great touch to drop balls in spots, but has PLENTY of arm strength for quick passes and out routes.

I can remember a number of times where brunell's passes on out routes hung in the air and caused the ball to get there a little late and the receiver to take a hit. Brunell is a veteran, but he's gettin old, and his arms and legs show it.

Let me finish this sentence for you: . . . picked off by Roy Williams on the one yard line because he was helping to double-cover Cooley against a pass with more hangtime than our punter's kicks.

[Rafterman]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

Okay

You don't understand much about anything.

Brunell was finished when he left Jacksonville. Del Rio was right and Gibbs was wrong. Is it getting any clearer now?

Obviously most of us have forgotten more about the game then you have ever known.

[VegunN]

I am a Brunell fan. Let establish that first. But there has to come a time when you need to say, "hey, I cant do it anymore" and I am starting to think that this is his time. I've seen some great plays from the guy over the years and would like nothing more then to watch him catch some of that old magic and win a ring. But those moments of magic from him are becoming fewer and farther between. That said.
When is the time to play Cambell? If we are going to get him in there and get him the reps in a REAL NFL game with the first team, what better team to do it against then the Texans? I say let get the kid out there and let him get over his growing pains.
HAIL


The way I see it, if Brunell does play in Houston the way he did Dallas, then, I'm scared. And from what I've seen from the entire team, don't expect the Houston game to be a gimme, I'm even a bit worried, if, for instance, lif ast year we were playing the Texans at this juncture of the season, I would have been gung ho to get JC in there. But, if Brunell and co. go out and have a big game against a poopy, yes poopy, defense, albeit false confidence, there will be that rollover confidence boost the next week for the test against the Jags. And if Brunell does get pulled for JC, you have to really think he'd be down in the dumps the next week and have NO confidence when we really need it.

[The King]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

I agree with you 100%. The o-line sucks. If you put campbell back there you will get the same results. Brad Johnson had success against the skins because of the vikings o-line. They gave him great protection. He had plenty of time in the pocket to pick a part the defense. Brunell was running for his life out there. Jansen was getting worked and no one seem to notice.

[BleedBNG]

Hasn't shown anything POSITIVE!!!! UNDERSTAND NOW!!!
We're waiting....

*tap * tap* tap*

[akorn22]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!


Ok solidsnake, i agree with you in some points and disagree with you in others. I don;t think Campell is truly ready to come into an NFL game, however I do think he should have been in there at the end of the Dallas game after the game was all but over. I think Campbell might end up like ramsey, but if he does, it's only because of poor management by the redskins. I also agree that the O line was weak.

However I do think that Brunell should be given a lot of the blame. And I understand where you say :

"Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up"

BUt those other guys arn;t in there to run the game. THe Quarterback is the position that can make or break a team (just look at the ravens this year, and the patriots over the last decade). The QB must be able to keep his composure and make things happen. Brunell couldn;t do that. Bledsoe was given a lot of time in the pocket and he did well. He would have done better if his receivers didn;t drop a bunch of passes. There were also times when brunell was given plenty of time and either didn;t get the ball off, or threw a short option to Betts. He only took one long shot and that ball was a duck if i ever saw one. It was one of the worst throws I ever saw from an NFL QB and it was intercepted. He also underthrew a few recievers, and threw behind them. He did not do his job at all.

Basically, the team lost, but brunell was a HUGE part of it.

[tomahawks]

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

I agree with this statement. But you also said that you know the sport of football. Well you should know that MOST of the time COACHES and QBs get the bulk of the blame or praise for losses or wins, respectively. I too "bashed" Brunell, but this is a team sport and the team looked pretty bad last night. Brunell is a veteran but a lot of vet QBs don't look as bad a MB (i.e. Steve McNair, Drew Brees)and they made fresh starts with new teams. So there is really no excuse for the poor play. How many seconds does he need to make a decision to throw the ball? The average play takes about four to five seconds to develop, he had that time. He's just a "little" indecisive :D . I read a comment made earlier by Al Saunders that, "[the system] worked for Kurt Warner in his FIRST year". That says a lot, man, just think about it. MB was the man a few years back in Jax but not now. Let's face it, his time is up, and the FUTURE IS NOW. Just let Jason Campbell play. He can't get any experience standing on the sideline. And if he looks bad, he has an excuse, it's inexperience. Todd Collins...no comment :laugh: .

[herb mul-key]

this thread is hilarious....I am curios to see how JC would do....MB is hurting us and true so are others but we need playmaking at the QB spot and MB isn't playing like a playmaker...

[ZoEd]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

Damn dude you just gave people another reason to think us West Virginians are inbred and ignorant.

First of all don't call people idiots on this board because you end up looking like an idiot.

Secondly what team have you been watching? You think the O-line is the problem? They block the DE's to the outside forming a pocket and Brunell drops right into the middle of them.

Third, I don't think anyone is saying Campbell is the answer. I think most people feel he can't be any worse than Brunell so why not give him a shot. I would rather have a QB make a few mistakes by going deep and trying to make plays then have a QB who's afraid to pull the trigger. You can't tell me MOSS, ARE and Lloyd were covered that well all night long.

Last but not least; the only person that needs to wise up is you. You won't last long on this board calling people out and calling them idiots. :2cents:

[FranchiseTY11]

I take it that you didn't watch the game and witness the Brunell couldn't hit and open receiver 10 yards in front of him. Not on just one occasion, but many. The pokes D had him shook last night, you couldn't tell? He played scared. He has ZERO zip on his throws, they are lame ducks. You obviously didn't watch the same game as the majority of us did last night. Get your facts straight before you post on here, especially with a tone like this. I learned that the hard way myself. I hope you have TiVo because you need to watch the game again and realize how BAD he really was.

[redskn98]

It amazes me that at 0-2 Campbell is now the saviour of the Redskins season. Give it up, Brunell is not going anywhere. The last 2 games were not Brunell's losses alone. Granted, he's not the most nimble QB, but when the OL is stampeded like they were, especially last night, the guy didn't have a prayer. Jansen was spun around so many times he started looking like a revolving door. Blame can be put on every aspect of this team, including coaching. Standing outside the gates with torches and pitchforks looking for Brunell's head won't solve much, but a collective effort of the team pulling theirs heads out will go alot further down the stretch. That starts with a win next week at Houston. Some of us have been around since the glory days, long enough to know not to give up on Gibbs and the Redskins after 2 games.

[kbc19]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...did you watch last nights game??! wtf :laugh:

He was lousy in the Preseasondid you watch the preseason??! wtf:laugh:

and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...i agree on that...

You guys make me laugh...nah...YOU make me laugh:laugh:

Everyone blames Brunell...true cause he did stink up the joint last night...duhhh

And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Who said anything about "pulling the O-line"??! wtf :laugh:

Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Pull Betts from what??! he's the #2 back wtf :laugh:

Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Can you see the future?...gotta magic crystal ball?...no? ok then...Campbell definitely has a better long ball...oh thats right you didn't watch the preseason:laugh:

Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...Noooo....he's the answer at QB...if he was the answer to everything why would we have 32 players on our roster? agen wtf:laugh:

You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...Whoever wants a player to get hurt is a moron...i agree on that one

That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why???Again...did you watch last nights game??? wtf :laugh:

WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!We're wise idiots.

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!very true...but he was the leader. at least for last nights game.:applause:

[Seabee1973]

Okay

You don't understand much about anything.

Brunell was finished when he left Jacksonville. Del Rio was right and Gibbs was wrong. Is it getting any clearer now?

Obviously most of us have forgotten more about the game then you have ever known.


Actually Brunell played good for a stretch last season But i think that hit he took in the second Giants game last year might still have some effects on him.
Plus i wonder how slow a learner he is. He was struggling in Jack Del Rio's offense came here and was struggling at first made improvemnets last yr but has to lerarn a new offense and is struggling again this yr

[Destino]

- When Gibbs got here the O-line was bad. We upgraded at cent and right guard and brought in a proven coach.

- The offense struggled and was upgraded with Moss, Portis, and Cooley. Still struggled and was upgraded with Saunders, ARE, and Lloyd.

At what point do people start to realize the only thing that hasn't been upgraded is the QB? Brunell is terrible and has had exactly one 200+ yard game in 12 tries (not counting preseason).

[QBkilla56]

Snake, Snake, SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Mission Failed.

Press O to restart.

[Destino]

Snake, Snake, SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

Mission Failed.

Press O to restart.
:laugh: :laugh:

[OaktonSkins/BushFan]

- When Gibbs got here the O-line was bad. We upgraded at cent and right guard and brought in a proven coach.

- The offense struggled and was upgraded with Moss, Portis, and Cooley. Still struggled and was upgraded with Saunders, ARE, and Lloyd.

At what point do people start to realize the only thing that hasn't been upgraded is the QB? Brunell is terrible and has had exactly one 200+ yard game in 12 tries (not counting preseason).


Got TiVo? Watch the game and count how many times Jansen was thrown to the ground and abused like a b1tch. Or how many times Rabach resembled a driving cone on a Mac Truck driver's ed course. I could go on, because not one of the OL'n was without serious fault during the game. I'm not discounting the notion that MB played a horrible game himself, but the OL MUST do its part.

[Destino]

Got TiVo? Watch the game and count how many times Jansen was thrown to the ground and abused like a b1tch. Or how many times Rabach resembled a driving cone on a Mac Truck driver's ed course. I could go on, because not one of the OL'n was without serious fault during the game. I'm not discounting the notion that MB played a horrible game himself, but the OL MUST do its part.MB didn't look better in the first game, in whicih we gave up no sacks. Like I said - the only part of this team that hasn't been upgraded is the QB.

[txskins]

I know Brunell throws a terrific 2 yard swing pass to Ladell Betts! Put in JC and give our expensive playmakers a chance.

[txskins]

Got TiVo? Watch the game and count how many times Jansen was thrown to the ground and abused like a b1tch. Or how many times Rabach resembled a driving cone on a Mac Truck driver's ed course. I could go on, because not one of the OL'n was without serious fault during the game. I'm not discounting the notion that MB played a horrible game himself, but the OL MUST do its part.


Mark you shouldn't throw your teamates under the bus like that

[chow184]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

of the QB's Campbell was probably the best in the pre-season.

ramsey does not have a better long ball,actually ramsey's long ball was pretty crappy since he has poor accuracy and no touch. Campbell throws a very pretty long ball.Ramsey can't even lob it, he just throws a bullet that's about 10 feet above the ground.

I'll stay my age and just tell you to quit calling people names over the internet.

[txskins]

- When Gibbs got here the O-line was bad. We upgraded at cent and right guard and brought in a proven coach.

- The offense struggled and was upgraded with Moss, Portis, and Cooley. Still struggled and was upgraded with Saunders, ARE, and Lloyd.

At what point do people start to realize the only thing that hasn't been upgraded is the QB? Brunell is terrible and has had exactly one 200+ yard game in 12 tries (not counting preseason).


exactly. you are 100% correct

[roy182]

Did I miss a meeting or something???

Everyone is making claims about how Brunell could have done better if the OL was better, if Saunders had better calls, if Springs and Portis were back.

DOH! Wouldn't the same apply to Jason Campbell, Tod Collins, or even Joe Theisman??? If anything it begs for bringing in anyone else!!!!

I am not going to sit here and be quiet just because Gibbs has done so much for this team, and no one in his right mind would dare to confront Gibbs on this. But Gibbs, unfortunately, is delusional when it comes to Brunell. It was crystal clear in today's news conference. Gibbs said something like '"Mark" did a great job after being banged around'... He was praising Brunell!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

There were several occassions today in which there were pauses from Al Coken and Riggo, in which they were going to say something along these lines, but thought better about it. Even Madden was dipomatic about it on MNF, yet express this in a very subtle way.

Anyone that has watched every game for the last 25 years can plainly see that this is not Gibbs 1.0. It just makes me very sad/mad for all the parties involved, including the fans. Watching my 7-year old had his hopes shattered to pieces broke my heart. I have neever sen him so sad. Shame on all who think that Brunell should start another game.

Rookie QBs hold the clipboard for 2 years and go in. That's the way it's always worked if the QB spot is not at it's prime. The Redskins front office is responsible for their current QB roster. Those are the cards that have been dealt and we need to work with them. As far as I am concerned, MB has been discarded.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Okay I'll blame Betts for not putting a hat on somebody on passing downs when he's in to block. The O-line? Nope, you're getting warmer though. It's the guy behind the center. I don't have to go through snap by snap with you. But if you watch the games over again [from the past two weeks] you'll see where the problem lies. Actually, you might want to run by your local Pearl Vision center and a pick up a pair of stylish goggles like Froggy wore on The Little Rascals. You might catch a glimpse of a pocket formed and a qb who holds on to the ball entirely too long. Maybe we can invent a pair of shoes that come equipped with rubber hands and NFL approved gloves with stickum. Our receivers will catch more balls. Campbell tanked in the preseason? Ramsey throws a better long ball? Woooooweee! :laugh: I've officially heard it all. I'll just keep on being an idiot while making you smart guys look good. Note: Campbell is our #2 qb smart guy. Collins in on games where Brunell goes down. Campbell in with a week's preparation. Give it time, I'm still learning.
HTTR!

[mi6]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

Oh! Who threw the interseption? Who did not throw the ball to open WRs?

Jason is an improvement over Mark Brunell. He maynot be the best ...But, is the best option we have at present!

[Skinsfan8402]

Were 0-2 yes...and that is solely Brunells Fault??? Why don't we just pull the whole damn team and use the practice squad...The whole team sucks, but I don't see anyone talking about pulling anyone else...Everyone always blames the QB...And those people are the ones who know nothing about football...My god how many excuses do you people need to make for Campbell...Boo F'ing Hoo

As opposed to you making excuses for Brunell? Brunell goes out and sucks it up but it's not just him it's the people around him. JC sucks in preseason in your opinion but it's not the 3rd stringers around him he just plain sucks....:doh:

[Mooka]

Ramsey has a bad long ball...

[txskins]

it's funny because i actually thought jc played pretty well this preseason.

[illone]

Like I said - the only part of this team that hasn't been upgraded is the QB.


Wrong. He's just sitting on the bench until Brunell gets hurt for a period of time long enough so that he'll start.

:laugh:

[dsciambi]

Going back and watching the offense again, I can without a doubt say the problem is Brunell. When he would drop back 10 steps, he'd either get sacked, or roll out and throw it out of bounds. When he stepped up in the pocket (rarely), or did a 3 step drop, someone would at least get the ball, and the rest of the team would MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN! An ugly 3 yard dump off would get turned into a decent play.

I honestly don't see very many problems with the offensive line. Their biggest issue is it's impossible to give the QB protection when he drops back 15 yards.

[Mooka]

I honestly don't see very many problems with the offensive line. Watch the game again.

[Ira]

I'm a Giants fan. When Eli was a rookie, two seasons ago, Coughlin waited until mid-season to give him his first start. Two things happened. First, it was apparent we weren't going very far that year and second, Eli had reached a point in his development where Coughlin thought he could benefit from moving into the starting lineup.

I think Gibbs will do something similar with Campbell. If it reaches a point where the season isn't looking good for your team, he'll wait until he thinks Campbell is ready and then put him in. Your team sees Campbell as your future qb. They'll wait until the right moment before giving him the reigns.

[Hooper]

Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball.

You lost me right there. Ramsey has a great arm, but he can't throw the deep ball -- no touch or loft. Campbell threw two bombs -- one last preseason, one this preseason -- that Ramsey could never even dream of throwing.

[TheGuru10]

I don't like Snakes tact or words but his sentiment is correct. You CAN NOT go to Jason Campbell until the season is lost and we are out of playoff contention. When this happens, JC is my starter, but until then you can't do it.

First of all, there would be anarchy on this team with some of the outspoken players we have. You think Santana Moss is going to be receptive to Campbell or Clinton Portis is going to welcome 8 guys in the box and not say anything. How about Randle-El giving up a chance to repeat w/ the Super Bowl champs to come here to a team that starts rebuilding after week 2.

Second of all, Gibbs is signed up for 5 years and according to most reports 5 years only. Don't count on Campbell being our full time starter until after that 5th year, unless he proves himself after the starter gets hurt. Gibbs wants one more Super Bowl and won't entrust Campbell with the job going into a season. Injury may put him there sooner but he's not going to win the job out of camp in the next 2 years unless he plays in the regular season. Gibbs has never done that and don't expect him to change.

Lastly, most people think we need to get Campbell experience for next year, but remember this, Trent Green has a big cap number next year and may be cut in favor of giving the job to Croyle who KC used a 3rd round pick on this past year. He knows the offense and has a great relationship with Saunders, don't be surprised to see him here next year.

[dcrasta]

God did you say trent green? Didnt he slink out of town like 50 years ago?

Jason Cambell probably shouldnt start until the season is in the tank because of pressure. BUt as far as leadership, Mark Brunell better step up or there will be real Anarchy.

But another thing, can someone tell Mike Sellers, that when its 3rd and 1, and your the lead blocker on a off tackle run u pancake somebody? Not only did he not block Roy Williams (who made the tackle and forced a punt) but he didnt touch anyone. 3rd and 1.. and u dont block. . Its painful to watch the fundementals, and they are not playing very physical. Maybe its emotional, they need theorepy or a spa treatment. (Except Sean TAylor, that guy is a true Playmaker)

[rsanders]

I sort of feel sorry for Jason Campbell. I watched him progress through college, and he constantly had to change offensive coordinators. Then he makes it to the NFL, and already in his 2nd year, with his 2nd NFL offensive coordinator. That is a total of 6 offensive coordinators in 6 years. He has kept going through every single one of them. IMO, people who say that he isn't smart enough to have learned this offense yet (although Brunell is) are completely wrong. I don't see why he couldn't learn it just as quick as Brunell.

The other reason I feel bad for JC is because it doesn't look like he will ever play under Gibbs. The Redskins look aweful! From the 1st game in preseason to the 2nd game of the regular season, I see no promise. People say that Brunell isn't the reason for the failure, but moreso blaim it on the offensive line. Come on... get real. Sure, the offensive line has a part in the complete and utter mess, but Brunell isn't doing his job in going out of his way to make plays. He is too slow, and his arm just isn't good enough. I wouldn't put much stock into this team. They will be lucky to make the playoffs -- very lucky.

Wait about 5-7 more games.. See how Brunell does. Hopefully he can turn this around and win most of those games, but if not.. I believe it will be a good time to get Campbell some true NFL experience. He will never get it if some of you guys were the coaches. Some of you like to say that he has no NFL experience and to never put him in. Take that sheet off your head and look around.. if he never plays in the season, he will NEVER have experience.

Here is to a hopefully good season for the Redskins, but if not, cheers to Campbell! :cheers:

[redskins55]

If your going to be 0-2 then lets be 0-2 with the ability to make plays. Cambell is big, mobile, and has a great arm. He can obviously make some plays even with the O-line playing as weak as they are..

[scruffylookin]

Mark Brunell has now played 28 games as a Redskin. He's thrown for over 200 yards 10 times. He's thrown for under 100 7.

He is not a professional quarterback any longer. He hasn't been one since Jacksonville early this decade.

Jason Campbell does not have the experience so he too is not a professional quarterback right now. But he does have the skill and poise to develop into one. In order for him to develop, he needs to play.

WHEN Jason first gets in there, he will make throws that Brunell can only dream of, he will also make horrible decisions and huge mistakes that Brunell being "super smart"(scared to throw the ball because he doesn't trust his arm) will not make. It will be part of the learning and growing process for young Jason. This process is unavoidable. It's just a matter of when do you want to deal with it. Now or next year?

[AsburySkinsFan]

Hasn't shown anything POSITIVE!!!! UNDERSTAND NOW!!!

In the past 3 years what has Brunell shown that is positive? A 5-6 start, then the Defense carried us the next 5 games. The Wild Card game was a joke and a fluke that we won, and for it we have the dubious distinction of gaining the fewest offensive yards in a playoff victory. This season what has Brunell shown that is positive? How many touchdowns has he thrown? How many times into the Red-zone have we gone only to come out with a field goal? How many times has Brunell thrown the ball to the stinking water boy?

Brunell has had time in the pocket, the problem is that he's immobile. And to remove the O-line that just silly talk. The O-line cannot buy a QB 30 seconds to throw the ball. At some point the QB needs to throw the ball to a receiver down field. Brunell is done, and it is time to move on.

[Rafterman]

Actually Brunell played good for a stretch last season But i think that hit he took in the second Giants game last year might still have some effects on him.
Plus i wonder how slow a learner he is. He was struggling in Jack Del Rio's offense came here and was struggling at first made improvemnets last yr but has to lerarn a new offense and is struggling again this yr

He played well enough for the defense to carry the day. The O got just enough points to win.

However, his problem is physical not mental. At 36 years old he can no longer execute plays. His legs are going and his arm is long gone. That's why they went with Leftwich early on in his development.

[Potato Sack]

Ok, what will your tune be after Houston, when Brunell stinks it up again. I seriously want you to post another thread defending him.

I think we'll beat the Texans, but it will be because of Clinton Portis. I can guarantee that Brunell will look like crap again. He's done.

I hate to say this, but I hope the Texans beat us and it's a RESULT of Mark Brunell's idiotic play. This way, one would hope, Todd Collins or Jason Campbell would start.

Your fearless leader:

35-61 360 Yds 0 TDs 1 INT

Passer rating of 57.4.

Yeh...we're going to the SB! WOO HOO! NOT

[Langford78]

LOL, that's a funny one..

What games have you been watching? Campbell has the arm strength of Ramsey, but can put touch on the ball like Brunell. Campbell throws a MUCH nicer deep ball than Ramsey because Ramsey put zero touch on the ball. With Ramsey, the catch was either right on the money, or an incomplete pass. It didn't hang at all to let the receiver adjust. Brunell's fast ball looks like Campbell throwing off his back foot w/ his left hand.. :silly: Ok but seriously, Campbell has excellent composure and looks solid overall. He has great touch to drop balls in spots, but has PLENTY of arm strength for quick passes and out routes.

I can remember a number of times where brunell's passes on out routes hung in the air and caused the ball to get there a little late and the receiver to take a hit. Brunell is a veteran, but he's gettin old, and his arms and legs show it. He seems to have a lot of trouble throwing the ball down the middle (shorter height and weaker arm?).

I agree. I thought Campbell did pretty solid during the preseason, considering the lack of playing time he's had. Of course he was no Peyton Manning, he made mistakes, but he's still a rookie. I still think he couldn't be any worse than the way Brunell is playing.

[Major Harris]

looks like snake got the boot. good thing, he was trying to bring down the eastern panhandle of wv's rep that i have worked so hard to build here. :D

[DCMONEY]

The starter of this thread needs to stop smoking. Yoo actually look at Brunell and don't see that he's through, yet you think Campbell doesn't have it. :rolleyes:

[SkinsFTW]

Mark Brunell has now played 28 games as a Redskin. He's thrown for over 200 yards 10 times. He's thrown for under 100 7.



And a few of those 200 yard games were games we were losing and he padded his stats at the end against prevent defenses, like he did yesterday.

[XxSpearheadxX]

So basically, what you are saying is, that Gibbs doesn't know what he is doing when he trades up to draft Jason Campbell, the value of which equates to a mid to high first round pick, yet sits him as we squander away opportunities for his experience and growth, not to mention winning?

I've spent the last 10 games "hoping you were right" not you, but all of you who seem to not see the things in Brunell that I see.

I found respect for Brunell enough, but he is done - when your QB complains that his All-Pro future Hall of Fame RB isn't back there with him and that is why a 36 year old vet can't figure out how to beat a Cover 2 like it was some new fangled defense.

The way the boys blitzed without fear of a 3 step drop just shows you that players around the league laugh at Brunell now, they know he won't through it over the middle, especially at the slightest hint of pressure.

All of those reasons are why we need Campbell in there - that and that I don't believe Collins is the man for the job - if TC is, then by all means put him in there.

I don't want to see Sean Taylor and the rest of our marquee players put their bodies on the line again and again only to watch a 3 and out.

I could care less about points if we are being dominated by another team's defense, if we aren't - I just want to see a play any play - and a QB who doesn't hang his offensive linemen out to dry by the unrightful scorn of the fans and media when really it is Marks fault on 80% of those sacks.

Cooley Lloyd and Moss were wide open or with 1 on 1 all game long, if your QB can't hit talent like that in situations like that, then he should be benched for inexperience who can.

Jason Campbell is 24 years old. The same age as Eli. The same age as Big Ben, the same age as Charlie Frye. Older by years than Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith (who is playing fantastic.)

Jason Campbell will be in his mid-twenties next summer - that is a fine time for a QB like Tony Romo to start getting his ears wet - not for a former SEC player of the year first round pick. :2cents:

[Kendoggy Dog]

Campbell may not be the answer but Brunell definitely is not the answer he looks terrible. The Cowboys got good pressure on him but when they did'nt he underthrew passes and missed Moss twice deep. Age seems to be catching up to him.

[fansince62]

"Were 0-2 yes...and that is solely Brunells Fault??? Why don't we just pull the whole damn team and use the practice squad...The whole team sucks, but I don't see anyone talking about pulling anyone else...Everyone always blames the QB...And those people are the ones who know nothing about football...My god how many excuses do you people need to make for Campbell...Boo F'ing Hoo"

you're building a strawman case. we do know this - Boonell has not played well since his injury against the Gints.while there may be problems elsewhere on the offense...we know for certain there is one at the QB position. he is clearly not good enough to overcome weaknesses elsewhere. this coupled to his obvious decline simply argues that the future (for good or bad) be rolled in sooner rather than later. he obviously has the football equivalent of the yips. HE LOST THAT GAME WITH AN UNBLEIEVABLY DUMB PASS WHEN MOMENTUM WAS SHIFTING. how convenient of you to sidestep that point. he is the one throwing the ball into the turf when recevievers are open. he isn't executing well EVEN WHEN THE OTHER PLAYERS ARE.

face it - he's developed an acute case of the wussies. he's been injured one too many times, doesn't heal as quickly....his better days are behind him. nothing ignoble in that...but he needs to move on to the back-up status we all thought he would be performing at year 3. right Joe?!!!!!!

[XxSpearheadxX]

face it - he's developed an acute case of the wussies. he's been injured one too many times, doesn't heal as quickly....his better days are behind him. nothing ignoble in that...but he needs to move on to the back-up status we all thought he would be performing at year 3. right Joe?!!!!!!


Not to mention it is his inability to complete a 3 step drop that goads the D into blitzing constantly and it is he that again and again doesn't step into a PERFECTLY FORMED POCKET only to let the rush beat the o-line. It is he that when TJ Duckett picks up a Ware blitz PERFECTLY steps right past the seal only to get sacked, or leaves Jansen with no choice but to hold because he breaks his seal also.

After watching the film I would be amazed if Jansen and Samuels didn't take Mark to the head and give him a 15 minute chocolate-lemon swirly for adding all of those sacks to their names.

[D Al]

Brunell is too short.

[SKINZ33]

Wow, This thread starter sure is intelligent. Rants and raves about Brunell but yet has no intelligent insight to backup his rumblings. Maybe if there was thought put into this thread then the rest of us might understand where he was coming from but oh well.

[The King]

I honestly don't see very many problems with the offensive line. Their biggest issue is it's impossible to give the QB protection when he drops back 15 yards.

If you cant see Jansen getting tossed to the ground and Rabach getting worked. Then you know nothing about football.

[monkforhall]

If you cant see Jansen getting tossed to the ground and Rabach getting worked. Then you know nothing about football.


Jansen and Rabach, will get better, and we can't replace them. But we can replace the worst qb in the league.

[XxSpearheadxX]

If you cant see Jansen getting tossed to the ground and Rabach getting worked. Then you know nothing about football.


What on one, maybe 2 plays? How many times did they get "worked" as you put it because the defense was rushing 8 guys with no fear of a quick thread 3 step drop by Brunell?

How many times were these lineman getting "worked" as you say actually them creating a pocket against a fierce pass rush only to have their QB break the seal, or not step in the pocket, or drop back 20 yards. How many times did TJ Duckett pick up the Blitz, only to have MB run right past him forcing TJ to either hold or "give up the sack". Twice on my count on the last. The others? Too many to mention.

How many times did Mark Brunell complete a 3 step drop - the most basic of anti blitz plays to help out his lineman and make the LBers of the boy's 3-4 think twice about pinning their ears back? Not to mention a standard linchpin of Saunders Offense. 1 2 3 Pass. 1 2 3 Pass 1 2 3 Draw play.

Oh yeah - the answer is NONE NONE NONE.

[Jay Master Jay]

Were just disappointed and want someone to blame. We were 2-0 last year and the first 2 games this year look the same except we won. We didnt look good last year and were lucky the Bears had a rookie QB and the bombs against the Cowgirls. This year we ran out of luck and we lost.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Were just disappointed and want someone to blame. We were 2-0 last year and the first 2 games this year look the same except we won. We didnt look good last year and were lucky the Bears had a rookie QB and the bombs against the Cowgirls. This year we ran out of luck and we lost.


And we had an All-Pro Running Back back there, some people here don't realize how much this team relies on Portis as the end all be all of balance in this offense - it is unfair to him, he deserves a better situation than that.

[Jay Master Jay]

It's funny reading how we are whining so much. The Panthers were picked by a whole lot of so call experts to win the NFC and the Super Bowl. They are 0-2 also Steve Smith is out we lost to the Vikings who arent as sorry as the so call experts suggested. The Cowgirls got the breaks and we didnt tie the game when we had the chance. Let's beat up on the Texans and jump start the season. This aint playstation people you cant just keep plugging in another player because we want instant results. Hell Jason Campbell stinks on Madden 2007 too.

[Bigmuss1]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

Can I get some of whatever it is you're smoking?

[Taylor 36]

Don't waste your time. There are a lot of Football I-think-I-know-it-all's posting here. They don't know, and they sure as hell aren't close to being qualified to make any decision about who should and shouldn't play.

[Jay Master Jay]

I could have sworn Mark Rypien was a bum and he was a average QB except for 90/91 we won a super bowl with him. Im still with Joe Gibbs and the Skins if you people want to coach or pick your QB get a fantasy team and just support our team while were down right now.

[Jay Master Jay]

I had to watch Sundays nights game with count em 23 Cowgirl fans they got on me pretty hard but I'm back. Were got a lot of football to play it's our first time going to Houston and let's get it going man. We got to go with what we got we need 40 points and to give up no more then 17. Then get ready for Jay-ville and hope Shawn Springs is back. LEAVE MARK alone because he doesnt play defense.

[Q-skin]

Man you need to retire with Brunell, cause you just don't see as well as he do.

[The King]

I could have sworn Mark Rypien was a bum and he was a average QB except for 90/91 we won a super bowl with him. Im still with Joe Gibbs and the Skins if you people want to coach or pick your QB get a fantasy team and just support our team while were down right now.

The reason Rypien was successful was because the line protected him. He was only sacked a few times that year. If the o-line protected Brunell and gave him enough time to make reads and pass the ball he would be fine. You seen it last week with Brad Johnson. The line gave him plenty of time to pick the redskins defense apart. We need the O-line to man the f**k up and protect our qb. Regardless of who he is.

[Riggins Seventy Chip]

I started this as a new thread, but no replies, so I thought it fit into this discussion. I am interested in hearing from anyone who would answer that Brunell can be a superbowl winning QB.

The Brunell vs. Campbell debate should boil down to this question: Which QB gives us the best chance to win the superbowl?

Playing Brunell this week MAY give us the best chance to beat Houston.

Playing Brunell for the rest of the season MAY give us the best chance at the playoffs.

But, do you believe that Mark Brunell can take us to the superbowl and win it this year or in the next couple of years? If the answer is no, then we MUST play Jason Campbell now. Jason Campbell will make mistakes this year and he may lose some games for us, but we need to get him real experience if we think that he is really the future. Every team with a young QB must go through this process. Look at Jacksonville, look at the Giants. Does Brunell look like he can win a superbowl as our QB? If we're not going to win the whole thing this year, let's get this team ready for a run in 2007. The only way to do that is to put in Campbell NOW.

[portis&taylor]

wow your way off on that one campbell had a good preseason and brunell was terrible against the boys

[ScottnSharrer]

Here is all i know... if Jason would have started, we wouldn't of been any worst than 0-2.

Brunell sucks! Including last yrs playoffs, Big B is averaging about 100 yds a game. Jason maybe young, but i think he could do at least that well.

Hey stats geek...Brunnell is averaging 156 yds a game...trying coming up with something that DOES NOT contridict the point you think you are making

[ScottnSharrer]

Can I get some of whatever it is you're smoking?

How about giving me some of whatever you are smoking???

This comment is not meant for the general public on here just those who blame Brunnell for everything.

1. Brunnell did not get 18 penalties called on him in 2 weeks.
2. Brunnell did not get beat downfield after blowing coverage.
3. Brunnell did not miss taclkes.
4. Brunnell was not standing on the O-line letting the D-line get by
5. Brunnell was not the one who carried the ball 16 time for a mere 64 yards.
6. Brunnell is not the one who missed a must have field goal
7. Brunnell is not the one who constantly got caught out of position during coverage.
8. Brunnell is not the one who chose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time.
9. Brunnell is not the one who called the same type of play over and over and over.
10. Brunnell did not play, O-line, D-line, secondary, RB or special teams.

So all you people out there who think brunnell is solely at fault for our 0-2 record, tell me how you think he is at fault for all of this as well.

[Jskins_83]

First off Cambell is no Patrick Ramsey. And you say Ramsey had a better long ball, i dont know what football games you watched this guy play in,,, but the only thing Ramsey was good at was dancing around in a pocket until in collapses on him.

Second off... Its two games without Portis and without Sean Springs. We cannot blame Brunell soley, however, the guy looks like trash right now and doesnt seem to ever know where his receivers are supposed to be when he drops back.

Third, Mr. Snake, Campbell is not our 3rd string QB. He is behind Collins if Brunell went down IN A GAME. HOWEVER, If anyone is to START a game other than Brunell it will be Campbell. So please, Snake and everyone else, please know what your talking about before ranting and raving about something that everyone seems to be talking about. Why not find something a touch more original or maybe a viewpoint that isnt so damn stereotypical of an uneducated fan.... like Snake

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

How about giving me some of whatever you are smoking???

This comment is not meant for the general public on here just those who blame Brunnell for everything.

1. Brunnell did not get 18 penalties called on him in 2 weeks.
2. Brunnell did not get beat downfield after blowing coverage.
3. Brunnell did not miss taclkes.
4. Brunnell was not standing on the O-line letting the D-line get by
5. Brunnell was not the one who carried the ball 16 time for a mere 64 yards.
6. Brunnell is not the one who missed a must have field goal
7. Brunnell is not the one who constantly got caught out of position during coverage.
8. Brunnell is not the one who chose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time.
9. Brunnell is not the one who called the same type of play over and over and over.
10. Brunnell did not play, O-line, D-line, secondary, RB or special teams.

So all you people out there who think brunnell is solely at fault for our 0-2 record, tell me how you think he is at fault for all of this as well.

QB play is a HUGE dictator of a teams success in the National Football League. Mark Brunell checking down and throwing to his RB's 85% of the time and never going down field more than 10 yards is a HUGE problem. He has to be able to make the big throw under durress and he has to be able to make plays out of what seems like nothing. He doesn't have the ability anymore. This team as a whole, yeah, is playing awful. He gets the most scrutiny because the QB position is the most vital on almost any winning team. NOBODY said he's solely at fault for our horrid start.

[Riggins Seventy Chip]

Actually, Mark Brunnel is solely at fault for our horrid start.

[Monkart]

Not my fault that these people make truly ignorant statements!!! Me calling some of these fans Idiots is childsplay compared to some of the things they have posted...I could care less who takes offense!!! Thats how I get my point across

2 minutes after this post!!



Hasn't shown anything POSITIVE!!!! UNDERSTAND NOW!!!

This seemed to be his last post. :laugh: :laugh: For how long I don't know, he seemed pretty upset that his favorite player had been picked on. I don't bash Brunell, and I KNOW the sig, but I just feel he's had his time.

[Donita35]

Stop Saying That He Has Never Taken A Snap. When Should he Start???? Someone Is Going To Say Next Year That He Has Never Taken A Snap Too!!! :doh:

His time has to start sometime. If Brunell loses this week in Houston, I say sit his old ass down and put in Campbell because he can't do much worse. :mad: He may as well start now.

[fansince62]

"But, do you believe that Mark Brunell can take us to the superbowl and win it this year or in the next couple of years? If the answer is no, then we MUST play Jason Campbell now. Jason Campbell will make mistakes this year and he may lose some games for us, but we need to get him real experience if we think that he is really the future. Every team with a young QB must go through this process. Look at Jacksonville, look at the Giants. Does Brunell look like he can win a superbowl as our QB? If we're not going to win the whole thing this year, let's get this team ready for a run in 2007. The only way to do that is to put in Campbell NOW."

bingo. and to top it off...the coaches may know this...which implies they are willing to tube a season and delay rebuilding until next season.

now the reality...the folks claiming it's only week 2...well...they're right. we don't know definitively what is going to happen so this gets to be a cost/benefit sort of tradeoff.

one thing is for certain....Boonell doesn't have much left in the tank. he's over the hill in a young man's game. the Skins are resting their hopes on the past...and not the future. ok for now. but self-defeating in the long-run.

[SuperBowlN'05]

FIRE




AL SAUNDERS



NOW !



WE MUST SALVAGE THE



SEASON !

[ScottnSharrer]

QB play is a HUGE dictator of a teams success in the National Football League. Mark Brunell checking down and throwing to his RB's 85% of the time and never going down field more than 10 yards is a HUGE problem. He has to be able to make the big throw under durress and he has to be able to make plays out of what seems like nothing. He doesn't have the ability anymore. This team as a whole, yeah, is playing awful. He gets the most scrutiny because the QB position is the most vital on almost any winning team. NOBODY said he's solely at fault for our horrid start.

I agree his long ball is a major concern. But I disagree with you saying nobody said he is solely at fault. If a person (could be anyone) only moans and complains about 1 thing for hours and hours and hours each day, what impression are they giving? That there is a lot they disagree with? Hardly. By only stating problems with Brunnell, 90% in here are solely blaming him. They fail to realize that 1 player is not the entire team. If Brunnell was playing stellar, and all the other 10 points I put out were still performing how they are, we still wouldn't be going anywhere when the season ends. Brunnell alone is not the problem, and the QB position alone can not be the solution

[SuperBowlN'05]

THE ANSWER IS





FIRE AL SAUNDERS !

[Riggins Seventy Chip]

I said that Brunell MAY give us the best chance to win. I'm not so sure that he gives us any better chance than Campbell would. So, Campbell may give us the best chance NOW and for the future.

[Riggins Seventy Chip]

"
Originally Posted by ScottnSharrer
How about giving me some of whatever you are smoking???

This comment is not meant for the general public on here just those who blame Brunnell for everything.

1. Brunnell did not get 18 penalties called on him in 2 weeks.
2. Brunnell did not get beat downfield after blowing coverage.
3. Brunnell did not miss taclkes.
4. Brunnell was not standing on the O-line letting the D-line get by
5. Brunnell was not the one who carried the ball 16 time for a mere 64 yards.
6. Brunnell is not the one who missed a must have field goal
7. Brunnell is not the one who constantly got caught out of position during coverage.
8. Brunnell is not the one who chose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time.
9. Brunnell is not the one who called the same type of play over and over and over.
10. Brunnell did not play, O-line, D-line, secondary, RB or special teams.

So all you people out there who think brunnell is solely at fault for our 0-2 record, tell me how you think he is at fault for all of this as well. "

Actually, Brunell did choose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time. And he did miss a field goal. He also played O line, D line, secondary, and RB. He did not play special teams however.

[Donita35]

Why should we fire Al? :wtf: He is not the one not blocking, holding the ball too long and taking about 30 steps back before attempting to through the ball. :doh: Why is it that when Joe had the team playing poorly for several games in a row, we were patient with him? Now we should fire Al after only two games??? :doh: Give me a break. I know you guys are upset but be reasonable. Joe's offense alone at the end of last season wasn't much more effective. We have to stick with Al. Brunell is the one whose time is running out. :mad:

[P007]

I sort of feel sorry for Jason Campbell. I watched him progress through college, and he constantly had to change offensive coordinators. Then he makes it to the NFL, and already in his 2nd year, with his 2nd NFL offensive coordinator. That is a total of 6 offensive coordinators in 6 years. He has kept going through every single one of them. IMO, people who say that he isn't smart enough to have learned this offense yet (although Brunell is) are completely wrong. I don't see why he couldn't learn it just as quick as Brunell.

The other reason I feel bad for JC is because it doesn't look like he will ever play under Gibbs. The Redskins look aweful! From the 1st game in preseason to the 2nd game of the regular season, I see no promise. People say that Brunell isn't the reason for the failure, but moreso blaim it on the offensive line. Come on... get real. Sure, the offensive line has a part in the complete and utter mess, but Brunell isn't doing his job in going out of his way to make plays. He is too slow, and his arm just isn't good enough. I wouldn't put much stock into this team. They will be lucky to make the playoffs -- very lucky.

Wait about 5-7 more games.. See how Brunell does. Hopefully he can turn this around and win most of those games, but if not.. I believe it will be a good time to get Campbell some true NFL experience. He will never get it if some of you guys were the coaches. Some of you like to say that he has no NFL experience and to never put him in. Take that sheet off your head and look around.. if he never plays in the season, he will NEVER have experience.

Here is to a hopefully good season for the Redskins, but if not, cheers to Campbell! :cheers:

You are right on the money. Campbell can do just as good as Brunell is doing right now.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

I agree his long ball is a major concern. But I disagree with you saying nobody said he is solely at fault. If a person (could be anyone) only moans and complains about 1 thing for hours and hours and hours each day, what impression are they giving? That there is a lot they disagree with? Hardly. By only stating problems with Brunnell, 90% in here are solely blaming him. They fail to realize that 1 player is not the entire team. If Brunnell was playing stellar, and all the other 10 points I put out were still performing how they are, we still wouldn't be going anywhere when the season ends. Brunnell alone is not the problem, and the QB position alone can not be the solution

I'm very disgruntled with the defense and Gregg Williams right now. However, if we have Mike Vick or Tom Brady we're probably 2-0 right now with some big offensive plays.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

"
Originally Posted by ScottnSharrer
How about giving me some of whatever you are smoking???

This comment is not meant for the general public on here just those who blame Brunnell for everything.

1. Brunnell did not get 18 penalties called on him in 2 weeks.
2. Brunnell did not get beat downfield after blowing coverage.
3. Brunnell did not miss taclkes.
4. Brunnell was not standing on the O-line letting the D-line get by
5. Brunnell was not the one who carried the ball 16 time for a mere 64 yards.
6. Brunnell is not the one who missed a must have field goal
7. Brunnell is not the one who constantly got caught out of position during coverage.
8. Brunnell is not the one who chose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time.
9. Brunnell is not the one who called the same type of play over and over and over.
10. Brunnell did not play, O-line, D-line, secondary, RB or special teams.

So all you people out there who think brunnell is solely at fault for our 0-2 record, tell me how you think he is at fault for all of this as well. "

Actually, Brunell did choose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time. And he did miss a field goal. He also played O line, D line, secondary, and RB. He did not play special teams however.


brunell is simply the worst player on the team, and playing the most important position.

[Jofizz]

THE ANSWER IS





FIRE AL SAUNDERS !



FIRE




AL SAUNDERS



NOW !



WE MUST SALVAGE THE



SEASON !



You're an embarassment to every Redskins fan.

[ctj0215]

Until monday I have been all in favor of keeping the old guy as QB. I like a veteran that makes good decisions organizing the offense. But this is why I stopped respecting him:
- When an opposing defense doesnt repect your QB's ability to get the ball to receivers, it stacks the box and sends in a killer pass rush... this way running is tough because of all of the defense at the line and throwing is a b^&(# cause you have big guys trying to land on you.
- The skins line did play poorly, but line play is as much a function of play calling and quarterback play as it is their mechanics of blocking. I cant really comment on the play calling without rewatching the whole game like I usually do - which I cant do cause it hurts to even think about watching it.
- As a general rule you have less than four seconds to throw. This does NOT mean that you can stand still when there is a pass rush ad get sacked - which brunnel did several times.
- I'm not sure Jason would be any better... probably wont be much better though I htink it would be tough to be worse.
- One thing is abundantly clear: brunnel lacks a few key ingredients to even doing the things that he likes to do, mainly: throw outside the numbers and scramble. His WR screen passes are soooo feable that there is no way that a receiver can break the short pass for a gain cause it takes forever to get there. And his legs arent what that used to be, not to mention that it makes me shake when I see a grey haired man running with the ball palmed out in front of him.

----

Here is what could change with Jason:
- Probably more interceptions - face the facts - young guys throw stupid passes at times.
- Better scrambling - deny it and you are likely not watching the same games as I am.
- Faster throws - Campbell has and arm and then some.
- A real deep ball - Brunnel cant do it like he used to.
- And most importantly - hope. Right now watching brunnel play makes my heart ache. I live and die with sundays... the thought of watching him this weekend is brutal! I cant imagine what santana/cooley/lloyd/randel-el/patton must feel when they know that when they are running the deep route to the corner that brunnel is almost 100% not going to throw to them. At least with a young strong willing QB, these guys will get shots.

---

So, as much as i was hoping for brunnel a la first 5 games of 2005... its not happening. He is playing more like the brunnel of the other 20 games.

Time to move on... give me something to hope for. I would still consider brunnel for one more game but if he stinks it up in Houston, I cant even fathom starting him.

HTTR!

[ScottnSharrer]

Why should we fire Al? :wtf: He is not the one not blocking, holding the ball too long and taking about 30 steps back before attempting to through the ball. :doh: Why is it that when Joe had the team playing poorly for several games in a row, we were patient with him? Now we should fire Al after only two games??? :doh: Give me a break. I know you guys are upset but be reasonable. Joe's offense alone at the end of last season wasn't much more effective. We have to stick with Al. Brunell is the one whose time is running out. :mad:

How much of a hypocrite can you be?

[Veretax]

Why all the talk about firing Saunders, its not his fault the team isn't executing the offence. Or is it? Only the coaches really know that. I tell you this much I felt embarassed for snyder when we played the vikes last week, having Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes as guests only to watch the team have to claw back from being down late in the game. In truth Mark didn't look as bad in that game if memory serves, so perhaps he deserves one more shot. Ultimately I trust Joe Gibbs to make a decision that is best for the team at this point. He is the on with SB rings and a place in the HoF after all.

[fansince62]

"How much of a hypocrite can you be?"

wrong...again. Saunders is in the box. MB is one of the players fouling up. It's perfectly legit to support one and condemn the other.

[ScottnSharrer]

Until monday I have been all in favor of keeping the old guy as QB. I like a veteran that makes good decisions organizing the offense. But this is why I stopped respecting him:
- When an opposing defense doesnt repect your QB's ability to get the ball to receivers, it stacks the box and sends in a killer pass rush... this way running is tough because of all of the defense at the line and throwing is a b^&(# cause you have big guys trying to land on you.
- The skins line did play poorly, but line play is as much a function of play calling and quarterback play as it is their mechanics of blocking. I cant really comment on the play calling without rewatching the whole game like I usually do - which I cant do cause it hurts to even think about watching it.
- As a general rule you have less than four seconds to throw. This does NOT mean that you can stand still when there is a pass rush ad get sacked - which brunnel did several times.
- I'm not sure Jason would be any better... probably wont be much better though I htink it would be tough to be worse.
- One thing is abundantly clear: brunnel lacks a few key ingredients to even doing the things that he likes to do, mainly: throw outside the numbers and scramble. His WR screen passes are soooo feable that there is no way that a receiver can break the short pass for a gain cause it takes forever to get there. And his legs arent what that used to be, not to mention that it makes me shake when I see a grey haired man running with the ball palmed out in front of him.

----

Here is what could change with Jason:
- Probably more interceptions - face the facts - young guys throw stupid passes at times.
- Better scrambling - deny it and you are likely not watching the same games as I am.
- Faster throws - Campbell has and arm and then some.
- A real deep ball - Brunnel cant do it like he used to.
- And most importantly - hope. Right now watching brunnel play makes my heart ache. I live and die with sundays... the thought of watching him this weekend is brutal! I cant imagine what santana/cooley/lloyd/randel-el/patton must feel when they know that when they are running the deep route to the corner that brunnel is almost 100% not going to throw to them. At least with a young strong willing QB, these guys will get shots.

---

So, as much as i was hoping for brunnel a la first 5 games of 2005... its not happening. He is playing more like the brunnel of the other 20 games.

Time to move on... give me something to hope for. I would still consider brunnel for one more game but if he stinks it up in Houston, I cant even fathom starting him.

HTTR!

I don't disagree with you. I am not saying Brunnell is our true best chance. But, see how he does with the full offese. I wouldn't even wait until 5-7 more games. If he can't win 2 of the next 3, I would pull him. As far as what could change with Campbell playing, I agree with every point you made. The last one, hope, would come simply because it is a change. I see one other change though, less team unity. Yes Moss is disappointed right now. But Campbell (at no fault to himself) is not a leader yet at this level. The best thing for this offense would be to have a playmaker who has developed that leadership trait. Unfortunately, we don't have that on our roster at the QB position. The players, instead of the fans, would be vocally blaming the QB for all the errors if it was Campbell, that is just nature of football, blame the new guy. I feel bad for Campbell no matter when he does get his first opportunity because boy will the first 5-6 games be tough on him.

[ScottnSharrer]

"How much of a hypocrite can you be?"

wrong...again. Saunders is in the box. MB is one of the players fouling up. It's perfectly legit to support one and condemn the other.

Saunders is the one telling Brunnell to run the same 10-15 plays over and over. If he has over 700 plays, he should be calling some of them. If the team can't execute good enough with those 10-15, Saunders should be calling in different plays, but he isn't. He choose to go back to what wasn't working.

[ramirez415]

Wow, how can people watch this sorry piece of sh*# play and still try to make excuse's for him. Yes portis is out, yes the line could of played better, but why can't he take one damn shot down the field. You got Moss, you got randle El, Llyodd. Take a shot down the field! Strectch the defense. Im sorry but I am sick of watching Brunnel's no arm dump off passes to Ladell Betts.You can tell by watching him play that Mark has no confidence in his arm to through the deep ball, he looks shacky back their. I rather watch Campbell through a couple interceptions deep as he goes through his growing pains then a 5-11 season of Brunell at the helm.

[P007]

How about giving me some of whatever you are smoking???

This comment is not meant for the general public on here just those who blame Brunnell for everything.

1. Brunnell did not get 18 penalties called on him in 2 weeks.
2. Brunnell did not get beat downfield after blowing coverage.
3. Brunnell did not miss taclkes.
4. Brunnell was not standing on the O-line letting the D-line get by
5. Brunnell was not the one who carried the ball 16 time for a mere 64 yards.
6. Brunnell is not the one who missed a must have field goal
7. Brunnell is not the one who constantly got caught out of position during coverage.
8. Brunnell is not the one who chose to only rush 4 down lineman 90% of the time.
9. Brunnell is not the one who called the same type of play over and over and over.
10. Brunnell did not play, O-line, D-line, secondary, RB or special teams.

So all you people out there who think brunnell is solely at fault for our 0-2 record, tell me how you think he is at fault for all of this as well.

Nobody blames Brunell for everything, just the obvious. Just from what I have seen, he is playing scared, period. He doesn't have confidence in his arm or his ability to get the ball down field. He doesn't stand strong in the pocket because he doesn't want to be hit, or his afraid to be hit. He doesn't have good pocket presence for some one that is suppose to be a seasoned vet. Why is that? Maybe he doesn't have the tools anymore to be a starting QB in the NFL anymore. Brunell was completely horrible. Part of it is that he doesn't want to get hurt, becasuse once Campbell gets on the field, than it will be his job for good. What I don't like is how Coach Gibbs always says that the team needs to play better, but Brunell played his guts out. What the hell is that. Part of the problem is that Brunell needs to be held accountable for his play. And if he is a leader, he needs to step up to the plate and say that my play was unacceptable and I need to produce. Whay hasn't he done that?

[ScottnSharrer]

Nobody blames Brunell for everything, just the obvious. Just from what I have seen, he is playing scared, period. He doesn't have confidence in his arm or his ability to get the ball down field. He doesn't stand strong in the pocket because he doesn't want to be hit, or his afraid to be hit. He doesn't have good pocket presence for some one that is suppose to be a seasoned vet. Why is that? Maybe he doesn't have the tools anymore to be a starting QB in the NFL anymore. Brunell was completely horrible. Part of it is that he doesn't want to get hurt, becasuse once Campbell gets on the field, than it will be his job for good. What I don't like is how Coach Gibbs always says that the team needs to play better, but Brunell played his guts out. What the hell is that. Part of the problem is that Brunell needs to be held accountable for his play. And if he is a leader, he needs to step up to the plate and say that my play was unacceptable and I need to produce. Whay hasn't he done that?

I have asked why MB hasn't done that yet myself. Yes he played like crap, I have not denied that. But, maybe he isn't throwing downfield because he doesn't have the time. Also, did ANY of you watch KC play last year? MB is holding on to the ball just as long as Trent Gree did under Al. But Trent had an O-line that allowed that to happen. Maybe Al's plays are designed around that. Remember, the #1 key to making the roster as a receiver was running routes. Maybe his plays incorporate difficult, timetaking patterns. You should make sure you know ALL the facts before you pass blame, otherwise, in the end when it is all said and down, (to tone it down -->) You look like the DONKEY!!!

[ctj0215]

I don't disagree with you. I am not saying Brunnell is our true best chance. But, see how he does with the full offese. I wouldn't even wait until 5-7 more games. If he can't win 2 of the next 3, I would pull him. As far as what could change with Campbell playing, I agree with every point you made. The last one, hope, would come simply because it is a change. I see one other change though, less team unity. Yes Moss is disappointed right now. But Campbell (at no fault to himself) is not a leader yet at this level. The best thing for this offense would be to have a playmaker who has developed that leadership trait. Unfortunately, we don't have that on our roster at the QB position. The players, instead of the fans, would be vocally blaming the QB for all the errors if it was Campbell, that is just nature of football, blame the new guy. I feel bad for Campbell no matter when he does get his first opportunity because boy will the first 5-6 games be tough on him.

I agree to some extent. But team unity is tricky. Right now the team is obviously very close knit. You rarely hear about one player calling out another. Nonetheless it is being tried over and over. Watching Santana agravated after running 40 yards downfield completely open and then listening to every commentator claim that Newman did a good job on him will eventually get to him and will create a bad sentiment. Hopefully nothing will come of it and I respect Mark's ability to garner the respect of his peers. But... it has limits and I have a feeling they are approaching... fast.

As far as not having the right leader for the team unity... I dunno... there are some good team leaders on the offense moss and portis and my personal new-guy favorite randel-el (whose personality is worth at least 10 mil - joke). But it helps A LOT A LOT if the greatest leader is the guy that orchestrates - the QB. We may have the play maker and leader to be in Campbell, who knows? What I do know is that Mark is in danger of losing his leader credential and is well on his way to losing all credibility as a playmaker (and thats the nice way to put it).

Waiting for the full offense (i.e. w/ CP) also scares me. I guarantee you brunnel will look better with CP in there. CP is a great running back, maybe elite, but he is def elite in two other categories - bringing excitment to the offense and being an incredible blocker. BUT.... I dont like the idea that it takes our best player on offense to even make mark look decent. I would expect Mark to look amazing with the weapons he has and the experience he has.

You are def right on the blame for the QB... man.. that kid is gonna get it tough when he starts. I once heard someone say that G.W. Bush had the second toughest job in DC. I wonder who gets attacked more by the average man in DC.

One last note.. Scott... yer smart and reasonable... what is with the people being purposefuly conforntational on a message board. Chill out guys! I know for a fact you wouldnt talk like that if you were talking to the other people face to face... get out from behind teh anonimity of the board. Be respectful.

One more last note.. Fire Saunders? come on now? Have you seen what he has done in his career? That doesnt fade with age!

[Veretax]

Amen there, Brunell should be encouraged for sure, but also told to fight a bit harder in games like that. That's what I'd do anyways.

Brunell will start on Sunday, let's just pray we don't have to turn the TV off out of embarassment...

[mrchslmnky]

Brunell is a proven Veteran...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF THE OFFENSIVE LINE...WERE NOT GOING ANYWHERE B/C OF OUR POOR SECONDARY...JESUS CHRIST BRUNELL IS ONE MAN AND YOU ALL BLAME HIM...HE MUST BE PRETTY TALENTED TO LOSE 2 GAMES ON HIS OWN...GIVE ME A BREAK

Pay attention when you watch the game. There were only a couple of sacks that can be blamed on protection. Many were a direct result of Brunell's pocket presence.

Not all of the Redskin's issues can be blamed on Brunell but, as the offensive leader, he needs to step up and lead.

[nfl fan]

To this comment---I do not know if Campbell is the answer---but I do know that Brunell is taking 15 step drops, and can for some reason not throw the ball over 10 yards. What is the answer?? We can't go back to the offseason, and try to get a better qb=---=--so what,,,just let Brunell keep performing like this??? Something has got to give.

[mrchslmnky]

I have asked why MB hasn't done that yet myself. Yes he played like crap, I have not denied that. But, maybe he isn't throwing downfield because he doesn't have the time. Also, did ANY of you watch KC play last year? MB is holding on to the ball just as long as Trent Gree did under Al. But Trent had an O-line that allowed that to happen. Maybe Al's plays are designed around that. Remember, the #1 key to making the roster as a receiver was running routes. Maybe his plays incorporate difficult, timetaking patterns. You should make sure you know ALL the facts before you pass blame, otherwise, in the end when it is all said and down, (to tone it down -->) You look like the DONKEY!!!

So obviously you have had the stop watch out and timed all of this? As fast as the receivers we have are, there aren't going to be too many routes that are "timetaking patterns". Maybe a little longetr than some but 3 to 4 seconds should be enough to get a pass off.

[P007]

I have asked why MB hasn't done that yet myself. Yes he played like crap, I have not denied that. But, maybe he isn't throwing downfield because he doesn't have the time. Also, did ANY of you watch KC play last year? MB is holding on to the ball just as long as Trent Gree did under Al. But Trent had an O-line that allowed that to happen. Maybe Al's plays are designed around that. Remember, the #1 key to making the roster as a receiver was running routes. Maybe his plays incorporate difficult, timetaking patterns. You should make sure you know ALL the facts before you pass blame, otherwise, in the end when it is all said and down, (to tone it down -->) You look like the DONKEY!!!

Ok but a OL can only hold blocks for so long. The rule of thumb is 4 seconds, he was getting 4 seconds to throw. How come he can't make quick decisions over the middle of the field? And if a team is stacking the line and calling all out blitzs why doesn't he do a 3 step drop? Why doesn't he give his recievers a chance to make a play? And I will not believe that our recievers were covered great for a whole game. Remeber Jacksonville was getting blitzed by Dallas, and Leftwich had a field day. He was getting knocked down, hit and sacked, but he gave his recievers chances to make plays, and you can't tell me that Jacksonville has better skill people than we do, because they don't. And if Dallas had such a hard time covering them, you know damn well our recievers were getting open as well. That is just the truth. The time for excuses is over, Brunell needs to produce or be on the bench. I just want ot know how much lee way Coach Gibbs is going to give him.

[knowledge]

I was at the game and had pretty good seats. Through out the game ,Brunell missed open receivers. In the section I was sitting in, everyone was commenting on this (even the Cowboys fans). In fact, they were saying their cornerbacks weren't playing that good, and I would have to agree with them. On several plays I found myself saying: "What was he thinking"

There were times when Brunell had plenty of time, but missed either Moss or Lloyd who were extremely open. Moss and Lloyd also showed their frustration several times after plays.

Brunell played one of the worst games he's ever played for us in my opinion :2cents: I'm not a fan of changing up quarterbacks so quickly, but if this continues, I wouldn't blame Joe for replacing him.

[voxsilvae]

WHAT? You'll crazy!
Campbell move the ball better than anyone during pre-season. Where were you watching at??? Campbell can do much better than Burno! Bench him.

[TheSkins2006]

I can't for the life of me decipher why in the hell do you people want Campbell to take the reigns...He was lousy in the Preseason and has never taken a snap in a regular NFL Game...You guys make me laugh...Everyone blames Brunell...And what about the O-LINE???Okay so you want Brunell pulled, then pull the O-LINE...Then pull Ladell Betts...Pull everybody who hasn't stepped up....Campbell is the next Patrick Ramsey, only Ramsey has a better long ball...Campbell hasn't shown us any thing, but you people seem to think he is the answer to everything...You people bash your QB and have went as far as to wishing Brunell gets hurt...That makes me sick!!!My god most of you HATE Brunell...Why??? Brunell is the only hope we have...Collins may win us a few games....There is a reason that Campbell is the No. 3 QB yet again...WISE UP YOU IDIOTS!!!

BRUNELL DIDN'T LOSE THE GAME....THE WHOLE TEAM LOST THE GAME!!!

Two words for you, PRE SEASON. Which means jack ****. You're also wrong about Campbell being 3rd strung, he was moved up to second this year. Another thing, calm down...This was the most immature post I have EVER seen. Tell me one thing though, does brunell have any TDs this year? Also, whats his passer rating? He's not good, he's not brunell from jacksonville. He is part of the problem, and there are some other problems. Jason campbell will improve, he's a rookie QB, and with some work he will become a better QB then brunell ever was. Brunell's arm is dead, he has no running abilities, and overall is a pathetic starting QB. Same goes for Todd Collins, who can't run to save his life, why do you think he was sacked so many times in New York? JC has the athleticism, has the arm, just needs practice and experience. That is the reason we put him in NOW instead of later.

[TheSkins2006]

Tell you the truth, if brunell starts and loses against the texans...I'll be after his head, AND joe gibbs...