Czaban on the Skins

[hail2skins]

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/2006/09/you_cant_ignore.html

[Potato Sack]

8 of 19 69 yds through 3.5 quarters. :doh:

[skinzplay]

That is, indeed, the Brunell of 2004 and the Brunell who will bring this team down this year. Time for a change.

[Larry Brown #43]

I stopped reading at the part where it said "Czaban on the Skins."

[SkinsFTW]

8 of 19 69 yds through 3.5 quarters. :doh:

Yeah but he sure looked good on that drive at the end of the game. :doh:
:laugh:

[SkinsFTW]

"3. The Cowboys dropped more balls than Dirk Diggler on the set of a double-feature."

You have to admit, that was funny.

[pointyfootball]

"The Cowboys dropped more balls than Dirk Diggler on the set of a double-feature."


Funny

[skinzplay]

To hear Coach Gibbs praise Brunell for his 4th quarter effort is beyond and beneath laughable. It's truly sad. With the Cowboys in a prevent defense, leaving the middle of the field WIDE open, who COULDN'T make those passes? Seems like those may be the only ones Brunell is capable of making consistently, and that's troubling, and certainly does not bode well for playoff prospects this year.

Some may say, hey, we made the playoffs last year, etc., etc., etc. The reality, though, is that we made the playoffs in spite of Brunell, not because of him. And that was largely due to a stout and nasty defense, along with fine running by Clinton Portis. Well, now, the defense is struggling without Springs and so Gregg Williams can't do some of the things he'd like to do (for those of you asking why in the he11 Williams didn't blitz more, just think about leaving Mike Rumph or, even worse, Kenny Wright, one on one with Terry Glenn or T.O......get serious).

Next week's game against Houston will tell us a lot. My fear is that Gibbs will lean on Al Saunders and pressure him to call a zillion running plays to shield Brunell from having to place a very important reality on full display - his ineptitude at making the kinds of throws that are necessary in this offense. He just can't do it. And I'm sorry, but the quotes by Santana and others are to be expected; they're not going to criticize their qb in the newspapers. But you can believe that, behind closed doors, those players are furious. 69 yards after three and a half quarters of play? That is wholly unacceptable.

There is no way Jason Campbell, or even Todd Collins, could have performed as poorly as Brunell in those first two games. No way.

[arkowi]

I thought this was a pretty good article that accurately sums up my feelings on the situation.

[PiLfan]

Say what you want about czabe, he was pretty spot on.

Incidentally, what was with the pic of the "frogleg salad" bag at the end?

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/picoday_frog_lettuce.jpg

:puke:

[bubba9497]

Czabes is a putz


period

[bubba9497]

Say what you want about czabe, he was pretty spot on.





:laugh: Czabes is NEVER spot on just a no nothing reactionary, that is also a two faced coward.

It is embarrasing to hear him ramble about a subject he obviousy knows nothing about like football, BMitch use to laugh at many of his obsurd comments on the post game last year.

[snizzle]

Actually, I agree with the article pretty much. That's not a bad assessment of the current situation.

[B&GPride44]

As much as Czaban is a tool the majority of the time, you can't honestly tell me that you don't agree with at least the premise of the piece Bubba?

[arkowi]

:laugh: Czabes is NEVER spot on just a no nothing reactionary, that is also a two faced coward.

It is embarrasing to hear him ramble about a subject he obviousy knows nothing about like football, BMitch use to laugh at many of his obsurd comments on the post game last year.

Did you read it or are you just dismissing it?

[Shadowplay]

:laugh: Czabes is NEVER spot on just a no nothing reactionary, that is also a two faced coward.

It is embarrasing to hear him ramble about a subject he obviousy knows nothing about like football, BMitch use to laugh at many of his obsurd comments on the post game last year.


You just don't like Czaben because he's not afraid to put homers like you in your appropriate places.

[DaSkinzBaby]

Hey regardless what you say FACT IS FACT no matter how you sugar coat it. I have come to the truth, that is until Gibbs wakes up from whatever diabetic coma he is in and gets rid of BOO-NELL, this season is OVER PERIOD.

[azmodeus13]

Bubba,

I like ya brother. I have been a Skins fan since I was a wee little tot, and a fervent Gibbs and Brunell supporter.

I have to say that if you didn't see a problem with 90% of the passes in the first 3 1/2 quarters going to a back or out of bounds, then you aren't watching the same game I was.

The offense looked disjointed - it didn't seem like they had much of a plan. The defense shouldn't hinge on that ONE man (Springs). After seeing what Jax did last week to that rebuilt puke line, I expected a lot more in the way of blitzes and saw, once again, the same zones that the vikes picked apart. I don't know what more to say my friend, but there needs to be some adjustments.

I remember back to the days of Nolan with his read and react crap. Notice the linebackers creeping up only to drop back into coverage most of the time? Notice them not shooting the gaps like they did last year to stop the runners at the line?

I hope people watching the push up the middle (non existant) from the undersized defensive tackles (when you have guards that are 325 and up 298 is undersized) remember that there were those of us who questioned the lack of line pickups in the offseason when everyone was ranting for linebackers. They are getting torched by tight ends and we still have no pressure on the QB.

So, we get safties moving up to help stop the run and the TEs from getting receptions and neither is happening, but we are getting 5-6 major plays against the defense because the safeties are playing shallower and thereby having to sprint to almost be in position to stop a pass - only to have it get caught for TDs like in the last two games.

The fact is - if you want to run a D like Baltimore with the stunting and blitzing, you need good corners (of which we have 2 and one is hurt) and you need a line who can shield LBs from being manhandled by big interior linemen (like Siragusa and such). The TD runs the last couple of weeks have been our biggest DTs getting dumped on their butts and guards and centers plowing the LBs out of the way.

Remember back to when we had three somewhat ok linebackers? In the 80's? (I don't mean Wilbur - Olkewicz, Kaufman and the third I can never remember) and a decent secondary other than Green? Remember that run defense? Two words: Butz, Grant. The immovable center of that line. They weren't that big compared to now, but the guards were generally not the size they are now either and they were bigger than most guards of the time.

If you are going to play zones you have to get an interior push.

The offense - ::shrug:: I dunno.

Play max protect and run the ball, dump to the backs or out of bounds. I can't figure it out. Has Mark lost his confidence? I begin to believe that and remarked on it to my wife when we were watching the game - certainly before I read this column, though I can't disagree with much. If it weren't for some serious drops (a lot of them caused by hits in the secondary, true enough) we would have been facing a much worse situation, a situation not being alleviated by a very stagnant offense.

Why is it that teams who are at best mediocre can pick us apart but for some reason all of these REALLY speedy, great route running receivers are NEVER open? Tell me why some quarterbacks push the ball into a receiver who has a guy a step behind him but ours (and when you look at replays you can see even from a field level that there WERE receivers with a step or two on the secondary) can't seem to make a quick decision and release the ball?

I would put a large number of those sacks on Brunell refusing to pull the trigger through doubt or hesitation. Let me ask a serious question here - if you are going to lose the game because you can't get any offense through three quarters and allow the opposing team to lead you by two or three touchdowns because you exhaust your own defense by keeping them on the field so much, why not force the ball a bit, take some chances and if you turn it over - at that point what's the risk?

If your offense isn't getting any movement, if you aren't getting third down conversions and your defense is so exhausted they are as porous as cheese cloth, why not lose the indecision and TRY?

I got so tired of watching the dump offs only to see on a replay that there was someone coming across the field with a yard in between them and the coverage that was BEYOND the first down markers.

Did you see the reaction of Moss at that one point in the third quarter? Think they aren't thinking the same thing? Think that the stats that Madden was talking about that Brunell loved to throw outside the numbers means that Brunell might indeed not like to push the ball in where most QBs would? Including the good ones - not just the interception factories? Maybe he doubts himself enough to put a pause into his thinking but he is too much the top tier athlete from years past to acknowledge that.

Something is wrong with the picture - some people might not think that there is anything wrong with bad color and snow on the screen - I myself think that it is time to start doing some tweaking - 6 straight losses is enough to give pause to most.

I won't quit supporting them in the least - love my Skins - but I do hope they are willing to see these problems.

[GoSkinsGo]

I posted this in another thread I think it shows a trend

For all this talk lets just take a look at Brunnel from the last nine games of 05 and these last two games...for fun.

Rams
Brunell 14/21 156yds 1td 0ints Portis 27car 136yds 2tds

Cardinals
Brunell 18/22 122yds 0tds 3int Portis 26car 105yds 1td

Dallas
Brunell 12/20 163yds 4tds 0ints Portis 23car 112yds 0tds

Giants
Brunell 7/11 112yds 2tds 1int Portis 27car 108 yds 1td
Portis 1/1 17yds 1td

Eagles
Brunell 9/25 141yds 1td 1int Portis 27car 113yds 2tds

Bucanneers
Brunell 7/15 41yds 0tds 1int Portis 16car 53yds 1td

Seahawks
Brunell 22/37 242ysa 1td 0ints Portis 17car 41yds 0tds

Vikings
Brunell 17/28 163yds 0tds 0ints Portis 10car 39yds 1td

Dallas
Brunell 18/33 197yds 0tds 1int Portis DNP

So looking at the body of work from the last nine games we have 124/212 for 1378yds putting him at 153yds a game. He's thrown 9tds in the last 7games with half coming in one game. He's thrown 7 picks in 9 games with basically half coming in one game.

So what we have is a player that is a player going
14/24 153yds 1td .778int per game.

Now Lets look at portis for the last 8 games he played in.
173car 707yds 7tds and 1/1 17yds 1td

Portis went per game
22car 88.4yds .88tds a game

Portis carried this team last year I could break this down further by throwing out the high and low for each player but I dont have the time.

Its a body of work that people are upset about not just a what have you done for me lately. The last 9 games are not the abberation the start of 05 was. I'm sorry thats a fact thats whats supported by the stats from 04 and the last 9 games.

:2cents:

[SKINZ33]

Say what you want about czabe, he was pretty spot on.

Incidentally, what was with the pic of the "frogleg salad" bag at the end?

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/picoday_frog_lettuce.jpg

:puke:

There's been a recall on different brands of bagged spinach because of E-coli poisoning.

[NattyLight]

This article makes baby jesus cry. 63 effective yards in 3.5 quarters? Yikes.

I really hope Gibbs was watching that J-ville game last night. If Brunell is in that game week 4 (which he will be if Campbell / Collins doesn't play on Sunday @ HOU) it's going to be a bloodbath. Hell the Steelers looked the way we did against Dallas.

[azmodeus13]

GoSkins -

I understand what you are saying. To have a quarterback who can't seem to even look at the middle of the field, won't throw to most anybody but a back for 3.5 quarters and hesitates enough to get sacked (a la Ramsey) is a problem. We shouldn't have to depend on Portis who can (and did) get hurt. Betts is a good guy to spell a starter, but doesn't have the moves to get the starting job done. Rock - I love the guy but come on. TJ? We don't have a final idea on him yet.

Why is it that teams, especially with similar talent in the WR corps, can depend on the QB to get it done, especially on 3rd down, but we can't?

I understand he is shorter than most QBs and we have short WRs. I understand that the line jumping puts us deeper, but then again, the pukes routinely made first down on 3rd and 8. I understand that they were blitzing, but with 3-4 seconds most teams are killing us when we blitz but we aren't even scratching their secondary when the defense brings 6-7 men up the middle.

Why didn't we go to more 3-4 WR sets to keep them from lining up with 8 men in the box as much and blitzing 7? Teams can't bring the house when they will leave two men open....

I just keep scratching my head in wonder....

[GoSkinsGo]

Azmodeus-

My main concern is that we are seeing a huge reggression to 04. That the first half of 06 was the fluke. The numbers bare me out on this.

[macnoke03]

:laugh: Czabes is NEVER spot on just a no nothing reactionary, that is also a two faced coward.

It is embarrasing to hear him ramble about a subject he obviousy knows nothing about like football, BMitch use to laugh at many of his obsurd comments on the post game last year.


Czabes is a putz


period



But wasn't it you who started a thread about how you were wrong about everything. Now Czabe writes basically the same thing and you dismiss it as garbage :rolleyes:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169950

[azmodeus13]

I might not have made myself clear GoSkins - I agree with you - the only reason we won was (like the defense with Springs) we put the load on one man's back (Portis) because we couldn't count on Mark to help hoist the offense out of problems.

[Hooper]

Brunell is a class act and Czabe so isn't, but the guy is right. Mark is done as a NFL quarterback. Bad line play, still learning the system, missing his running back -- you can make all the excuses in the world for him but none of them dismiss the obvious: his physical skills are shot. It's just a matter of time before the players and assistant coaches demand a change.

[HSW]

I stopped reading at the part where it said "Czaban on the Skins."

:applause: The guy is a total tool. As a skins fan I refuse to listen to him.

[GSF]

Czabe is a douchebag, but he's right on the money with everything in this article. It pains me to admit it. :doh:

[MorgantownHokie88]

That article from Czaban was spot on. Also, when you look back over the stats of Brunell last 9 games, it just makes me feel completly ill to my stomach.

I mean it's not like Brunell throws a pass Campbell couldn't do. Let's take a look a typical pass selection Brunell throws: 1) running back in the flat, 2) wr screen, 3) bomb to Moss....if none of them are there, take off. Why can't Campbell do that?????

[talk show host]

can someone quote the article here. the firewall at work wont let me go to that site.

[cyfar]

Czabes is a putz


period


Bubba,

I like ya brother. I have been a Skins fan since I was a wee little tot, and a fervent Gibbs and Brunell supporter.

I have to say that if you didn't see a problem with 90% of the passes in the first 3 1/2 quarters going to a back or out of bounds, then you aren't watching the same game I was....

Dangit! You beat me to it.

It's constantly thrown around here that Czabe, Joe the fan(John Thompson), BMitch, Doc Walker and the rest of the Sports Talk 980 are complete morons but why is that? As of late, they've been dead on with their assessment of the team. Even former players, such as Charles Mann and "World" Grant, are saying the same things. Does that make them all Putzes as well?

[MontanaSkins]

There's been a recall on different brands of bagged spinach because of E-coli poisoning.

Actually if you look close in the bag there is a frog inside of it.

[js79]

maybe some of you should actually read the article b4 you call it blasphemy...

[TankRizzo]

:laugh: Czabes is NEVER spot on just a no nothing reactionary, that is also a two faced coward.

It is embarrasing to hear him ramble about a subject he obviousy knows nothing about like football, BMitch use to laugh at many of his obsurd comments on the post game last year.


How's the saying go? Every now and again a blind squirrel can find a nut.


The fact that Czab is a reactionary chicken little still doesn't somehow magically make Brunell's stats any better.

[waterwagen]

You just don't like Czaben because he's not afraid to put homers like you in your appropriate places.You obviously never listen to his radio shows. "Know-nothing reactionary" is a spot on description. Biting, negative, knowledgeless, instant reactions are his calling card.

[TankRizzo]

You obviously never listen to his radio shows. "Know-nothing reactionary" is a spot on description. Biting, negative, knowledgeless, instant reactions are his calling card.



Again...Czab's reputation aside, that doesn't make Brunell's performance in the first two games any better.

[waterwagen]

Again...Czab's reputation aside, that doesn't make Brunell's performance in the first two games any better.When did I say his performance was good? Never.

[TankRizzo]

When did I say his performance was good? Never.


reading comprehension > me

[Sonny Joe Hog]

I hate to admit it, but I must agree with everything Czaban wrote in this article. He's still a turd, though.

[waterwagen]

reading comprehension > me :D

[FrFan]

The guy is right plain and simple. What's sickening me is people who are prompt to insult others when they disagree. I think this board needs a clean-up on that.

[Bizkiteer]

Man, it gets really scary when Czaban is making real sense. What is this world coming to?

[wpenn1]

Apparently some you guys know the author better than I do but what he is saying makes perfect sense to me.

[cphil006]

well Brunell gives us the best chance does he not?

[luckydevil]

More often than not Czaban get things wrong, but he pretty much nailed it.

[TankRizzo]

well Brunell gives us the best chance does he not?


Best chance at what? Going 0-16?

[cphil006]

Czaban is not always right

[Jordash]

Goskinsgo thank God for you. JC needs to get a start.

If Brunell puts up poor number again for Houston there will be no excuse.

Even if he does well I would still be very in favor of putting JC in.

[Skins4481]

I actually agree with most of the article. Sad but true.