Let's trade TJ to Pittsburgh

[Diesel 36]

It seems obvious that Duckett was only brought in here as insurance for CP. For some reason (possibly they don't think he knows the playbook yet...but it's a running back...run right run left...pick up the blitz)

But why not cut our losses and decide that we are happy with Betts as a backup (don't ask me why) and trade TJ to Pittsburgh for a 4th round pick??? We gave up a 3rd rd pick for him and now it looks like we aren't going to use him (not even on 3rd and 1...which is why we got him)

Pittsburgh needs another RB for willie parker...and they put Duce in street clothes and had Davenport ready to play in his absense.

They couldn't run the ball for a lick last night and WP is going to get WAY 2 beat up having to be the go to man on that team every single play.

This is the last year of TJ's contract...so it's not like he'll be here next year?

Either way...let's get the big fella more touches...we are going to need him for the painful game in 2 weeks against that Jacksonville defense....those boys HIT and I'm not sure CP and his shoulder are going to want to take all that punishment!

go skins!

[Drunken Master III]

So if Portis gets hurt you want Betts to start for the rest of the season? :doh:

[TheLongshot]

I'm pretty convinced that, as time goes on, Duckett will get more carries, and that we will keep him and let Betts go.

And no, it isn't as simple as "run right run left...pick up the blitz". Learning blocking schemes is probably one of the most complex things for a back to know. Move the wrong way, and you get your QB killed. It is the reason why teams are reluctant to leave a young back out there by himself because they may not know the blocking scheme.

Jason

[Warhead36]

If the Steelers wanted Duckett, they would have just have gotten him from Atlanta directly. Why would they get him now two weeks into the year?

[Jstunner56]

gonna need a mega merge on this stuff when its done.

Lets trade you to the Pittsburgh message board.

[ntotoro]

Duckett = a larger Betts

They both hit the hole soft and neither one can pass-block. Come to think of it, the only RB we have who can block worth a damn is Clinton.

[BigolRiggo44]

TJ is a good 3rd down back with a lot of experience and a LOT of muscle,
hang on to him because ladell showed us this week that he cannot do it all by himself and that we miss clinton!

[Diesel 36]

they tried to get Duckett....during the draft they offered a 4th round pick...ATL wouldn't take it....and then the day TJ went to Washington...they offered a 4th round pick again...they know that Duce is done.

I know it is more than run right/run left...and block...

I think a big thing is TJ is so used to having VICK back there as his QB that if the guy is going to go outside with a left handed QB...you let him go so the QB can step into the pocket...I'm not really sure on that play what brunell was thinking....

[APBT]

It seems obvious that Duckett was only brought in here as insurance for CP. For some reason (possibly they don't think he knows the playbook yet...but it's a running back...run right run left...pick up the blitz)

But why not cut our losses and decide that we are happy with Betts as a backup (don't ask me why) and trade TJ to Pittsburgh for a 4th round pick??? We gave up a 3rd rd pick for him and now it looks like we aren't going to use him (not even on 3rd and 1...which is why we got him)

Pittsburgh needs another RB for willie parker...and they put Duce in street clothes and had Davenport ready to play in his absense.

They couldn't run the ball for a lick last night and WP is going to get WAY 2 beat up having to be the go to man on that team every single play.

This is the last year of TJ's contract...so it's not like he'll be here next year?

Either way...let's get the big fella more touches...we are going to need him for the painful game in 2 weeks against that Jacksonville defense....those boys HIT and I'm not sure CP and his shoulder are going to want to take all that punishment!

go skins!

I think we should trade Betts becasue TJ is 250 pounds and we need that in this system. Bam!

[RedskinzOwnU]

Both Betts and Duckett are in their last year of their contracts. We'll probably resign whichever one will stay for cheaper, and let the other one go. So, we won't really be trading anyone until we get a new contract with one of them.

PS
I have a feeling we'll be keeping duckett and letting Betts walk since Betts probably wants a lot of money and a shot at starting somewhere.

[TimFolk]

Duckett played better then Betts imo.

[Cassow]

You gave up more than a 3rd for Duckett, and the way things are looking...switching #1's with denver next year wont be much fun. I didn't think the trade made any sense for you guys in the first place (based on both need and value), but your idea makes even less sense. You would be giving up a 3rd round pick for essentially nothing.

[ttr77]

So the Skins traded a 3rd for Duckett, now go and trade him for what, a 4th or 5th?

[CPortJGibbs89]

Lets trade you to the Pittsburgh message board.HAHA!!!

[APBT]

You gave up more than a 3rd for Duckett, and the way things are looking...switching #1's with denver next year wont be much fun. I didn't think the trade made any sense for you guys in the first place (based on both need and value), but your idea makes even less sense. You would be giving up a 3rd round pick for essentially nothing.

Yeah I know. If we do sign TJ, why did we put ourselves in a situation to give up a 3rd rounder just to let him go with the hoard of backs we have already on our roster? :doh:

[ironmic]

Duckett looked good sunday. IMO

[Enter Apotheosis]

Duckett = a larger Betts

They both hit the hole soft and neither one can pass-block. Come to think of it, the only RB we have who can block worth a damn is Clinton.

Duckett only looks like he hits the holes soft because he is NOT quick. The difference between the two is that Betts will run to the hole fast, stall, try to determine whether or not to turn it up field, makes a move, and gets brought down by an arm-tackle for a short gain. TJ, on the other hand, starts off slow but picks his hole quick, goes through it, picks up a couple of yards, and is brought down by a wall of defenders for a medium gain.

Duckett also did decently blocking, he was able to (at the worst) delay his man. Betts would hardly even be able to chip the guy he's supposed to be blocking.

[goose34]

Pitt picked up Davenport who was released from GB. If Davenport can ever regain his form prior to his injury than he is a comparable back to Duckett.

[BigRay]

Lets trade you to the Pittsburgh message board.


:laugh: :laugh:

[Diesel 36]

:laugh: :laugh:


If the trade to the Pitt board took place...what would we get in return?

[-mando-]

i dont see us getting rid of betts or tj during the season, the strength of portis' shoulder in the long haul this season is questionable even though portis is one tough SOB, tj is a pounder and every team needs a pounder and betts is a saunders type of rb who can play off the run and pass so we wont trade betts either

[LloydnoSigny]

Pitt picked up Davenport who was released from GB. If Davenport can ever regain his form prior to his injury than he is a comparable back to Duckett.

I can't believe it took this long for someone to point out that Pittsburgh doesn't have a need for a big back.

[BigRay]

If the trade to the Pitt board took place...what would we get in return?

Man, I have no idea :laugh: ... But seriously if the Steelers needed TJ they would have went after him a long time ago. I remember there was some talk during the off season of a trade but I guess The Steelers were'nt going to give the Falcons what they wanted.

[Diesel 36]

Man, I have no idea :laugh: ... But seriously if the Steelers needed TJ they would have went after him a long time ago. I remember there was some talk during the off season of a trade but I guess The Steelers were'nt going to give the Falcons what they wanted.

What the Falcons wanted was a 3rd round pick...or a solid WR

the jury is still out if Lelie is a solid WR.....

I don't think Davenport is the guy for the job in PITT..which was discussed...he is not a "possible" every down back as TJ is.

[BigRay]

What the Falcons wanted was a 3rd round pick...or a solid WR

the jury is still out if Lelie is a solid WR.....

I don't think Davenport is the guy for the job in PITT..which was discussed...he is not a "possible" every down back as TJ is.


I have to go back and check i do not remember what the Falcons wanted.

[NCskins06]

He averaged five yards a carry against Dallas. He has played one game. Why would you want to get rid of him already? Give him a chance. I think he looked better than Betts against Dallas.

[DiscoBob]

for the mathematically inclined:

Betts and Duckett seem to average about the same per carry, but the std dev seems to be fairly difference

ie.
Betts
Ave 4 yrds
Std Dev. 2.5 yrds

Duckett
Ave 4 yrds
Std Dev 1 yrd

I'd rather have the consitancy of Duckett as a nice Complement to Portis....

[[[ghost]]]

duckett>betts

betts just has no vision. Ducket doesn't have much either, but lets face it, when your job is to run into people, you dont need much of it`

[Skins4481]

for the mathematically inclined:

Betts and Duckett seem to average about the same per carry, but the std dev seems to be fairly difference

ie.
Betts
Ave 4 yrds
Std Dev. 2.5 yrds

Duckett
Ave 4 yrds
Std Dev 1 yrd

I'd rather have the consitancy of Duckett as a nice Complement to Portis....


What is STD? Sexually transmitted disease? So Betts averages an STD(up the ***) every 2.5 yards? No wonder he's always 'injured'.

[IdahoREDSKIN]

It all doesnt matter if we keep going 3 and out. None of the RB's are going to be worth a crap at this rate should it continue. I like TJ and would like to see the Skins keep him. He was often banged up in Atl so keeping Betts is a must. One or both of them is going to gone anyway at the end of this season.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

No new threads.

[Bacon]

If the trade to the Pitt board took place...what would we get in return?

Him not being here.

Anyway, I say Duckett stays, and Betts needs to go.

[Bryan81]

Duckett is like the rest of the team. Hasn't shown us much this season.

[cmorina69]

Lets trade you to the Pittsburgh message board.


Hahaha great

[DWARF-HOG]

It seems obvious that Duckett was only brought in here as insurance for CP. For some reason (possibly they don't think he knows the playbook yet...but it's a running back...run right run left...pick up the blitz)

But why not cut our losses and decide that we are happy with Betts as a backup (don't ask me why) and trade TJ to Pittsburgh for a 4th round pick??? We gave up a 3rd rd pick for him and now it looks like we aren't going to use him (not even on 3rd and 1...which is why we got him)

Pittsburgh needs another RB for willie parker...and they put Duce in street clothes and had Davenport ready to play in his absense.

They couldn't run the ball for a lick last night and WP is going to get WAY 2 beat up having to be the go to man on that team every single play.

This is the last year of TJ's contract...so it's not like he'll be here next year?

Either way...let's get the big fella more touches...we are going to need him for the painful game in 2 weeks against that Jacksonville defense....those boys HIT and I'm not sure CP and his shoulder are going to want to take all that punishment!

go skins!

I disagree. We have yet to use Duckett, the way we should use him. Duckett was a monster here in Atlanta, spelling Dunn in key situation.
The reason why Atlanta traded him is because they have a rookie clone of Dunn name Norwood, plus they needed a #3 wr in the worst way.
Give Gibbs and Saunders more time to use Duckett effectively.
Plus, what if Portis goes down again. Betts can't carry the running game all by himself.

:point2sky :point2sky

[pjfootballer]

If the trade to the Pitt board took place...what would we get in return?

A grumpy poster to be named later or a conditional fan of 3 years or 4 years depending on how many posts he completes on the Pitt board. :laugh:

[FUBAR]

What is STD? Sexually transmitted disease? So Betts averages an STD(up the ***) every 2.5 yards? No wonder he's always 'injured'.


:laugh: :laugh: STD dev is a pathetic attempt at an abreviation for "standard deviance." I dont have a great definition for standard deviation, but here is an attempt to explain....


So what the dudes trying to say is that Ducketts carries all end up within a yard of 4 ypc. (3-5) On the other hand, Betts carries end up within 2.5 yards of 4 ypc. So Betts either gets a gain of one or a gain of 6. Inconsistency.

[NickGiaquinto]

My 2 cents... I have, for a couple of years, thought Betts was a great backup, but I am beginning to wonder even about that. As I watch the games where he gets a significant number of carries, I see a back that is just a BIT too small to move the pile on 3rd and 3, 3rd and 4. And I see a back that is just a BIT too slow to get wide in this new offense. It seemed in the Dallas game that he just did not have the speed to get away from anyone on the (granted very fast) Dallas D.

I don't think we've seen a fair comparison yet with Duckett because he is still learning the offense. But I'm excited he is on board. But I will say there was one play Duckett ran vs. Dallas where he went right into a pile at the line of scrimmage, running behind Thomas/Jansen, where--if he had cut left--he could have run for about 10 yards, a gaping cutback hole that he completely missed. Oh well, that happens to everyone occasionally.

[Christblvr]

As Portis gets healthy, I think you'll see Ducketts role become more clearly defined. I don't think Gibbs got him as just insurance. I believe Gibbs thinks that he will compliment Portis well within the system.

[Christblvr]

My 2 cents... I have, for a couple of years, thought Betts was a great backup, but I am beginning to wonder even about that. As I watch the games where he gets a significant number of carries, I see a back that is just a BIT too small to move the pile on 3rd and 3, 3rd and 4. And I see a back that is just a BIT too slow to get wide in this new offense. It seemed in the Dallas game that he just did not have the speed to get away from anyone on the (granted very fast) Dallas D.

I don't think we've seen a fair comparison yet with Duckett because he is still learning the offense. But I'm excited he is on board. But I will say there was one play Duckett ran vs. Dallas where he went right into a pile at the line of scrimmage, running behind Thomas/Jansen, where--if he had cut left--he could have run for about 10 yards, a gaping cutback hole that he completely missed. Oh well, that happens to everyone occasionally.


I don't think it has anything to do with his speed or his size. I think it has all to do with his feel for the game and timing, i.e. not seeing or hitting the hole at the right time. There were a few runs in which he didn't square his shoulders. These are all things that Portis does very well. That's the difference between them.

[pjfootballer]

Aww Duckett all, lets trade the whole team for a division II college team. :D :silly: