Thoughts, ramblings, musings from Westbrook36

[Westbrook36]

What a glorious day. The sun is shining, the birds are chirping, the NFL season is taking shape; everything is right in the world.

Through two weeks of the NFL season, many things have taken place. Some things are like fools gold.....happens every year. A flash in the pan here, a surprising team there. Then, there are other things that are a sign of things to come. Lucky I am here, boys and girls. I'll tell you exactly how things are going to play out.

Things Westbrook is positive of:

The Eagles game vs. the Giants was the worst non-playoff loss I have ever had to endure. It seriously took 2 years off my life. What can a man say? I hope it doesn’t have any lingering effects for the rest of the year. Kearse getting hurt is a downer….but the Eagles have the best DL in football, so we will recover. I’m hoping that the Eagles of the first half, who completely dominated the Giants, will be the team that shows up most weeks. Your guess is as good as mine.

I was happy the Cowboys won the other night….I mean, I can only take so many Gatorade showers after week two of the NFL season.

BTW, dock, you still think that Stallworth won’t be able to fill the shoes of Pinkston?

Buckhalter is back. Do I cringe every time he gets up after a run? Yes. Is he playing like the old Buck? Yes. He plays like a big back but he only weighs around 220 lbs. He is shifty and enjoys contact. He drags the first tackler, every single time, always fighting for more yards.

Is it me or has TO been a non-story when he has played this year? In the Atlanta game last year, I could not believe my eyes when TO could simply not turn on the switch and dominate. What you have now is a very good WR. He simply does not dominate anymore.

The Giants are not very good. I'm glad the season is 16 games long so we can watch this one play out. Not to take anything away from them, but there were literally 10 plays during the Eagles game where if something fortous or downright ridiculously lucky doesn't happen, they don't win. Their defense scares me. Scares me in the way that very ordinary things scare me.

What were they thinking department:

WHAT THE HELL WERE THE SKINS THINKING throwing away more draft picks, this time, for another NAME….TJ Duckett?!?! Seriously, this is why you can’t get ahead. When the draft comes and other teams are stocking up on young CBs, DEs, and OL, the Skins “already had their draft!!!!” via free agency/trade. Is anyone truly happy with AA, Lloyd, ARE, and Carter? More of the same if you ask me. Now, next off season, you can do it all over again. I lost count….you now don’t have your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th….with a possibility of switching places with Denver for your 1st, correct? Slaps forehead.

Offseason arguments are fun. There was this guy Westbrook36 who kept saying "It's going to be a shame when we actually have to start playing games." I think a few conclusions can be drawn from what we talked about for months and months and months:

Once upon a time, there was a man. This man said that you can’t block the Eagles DL. He said this way back in April. The masses mocked and ridiculed this man. That man turned out to be 100 percent correct. The Eagles have TWO defensive lines that are the envy of the NFL. 13 sacks in two games. BTW, the single season NFL team sack record is in serious jeopardy. I’m not joking or using hyperbole either. Twas funny checking in early during the game against the Giants and watching tr1 continually post “Where exactly is this pressure from the Eagles DL!?” He posted it about 3-4 times. Then the Eagles sacked Manning eight times and pressure isn’t mentioned again.

Often, rehashed arguments become facts as less informed posters or posters not willing to look at things objectively keep repeating the same thing that has been proven, well, on the almighty internet message board. The Eagles offensive line sucks, was a good one. The Eagles defensive can’t stop the run was another. Just saying.

Once upon a time, there was a man. This man said that Andre Carter was a better signing than Darren Howard. That man was an idiot. Anyone who agreed with this man is an idiot. Anyone that didn’t denounce that man was merely misinformed. I will concede that Carter looks better without a shirt then Howard. If I were a Skins fan, a shirtless picture of Carter would be my signature, horrible play be damned.

When Gaffney was released, it was a sign of vindication for posters on ES who felt that Eagles posters who compared the stats of Lloyd and Gaffney were goddamn morons. Through two games, while Gaffney still remains released, Lloyd has exactly 1 reception for 6 yards. It’ going to be tight for the rest of the year, to see who winds up with better stats.

Tis important you don’t blow your load in the early stages of free agency. While your division counterparts are giving huge money and/or draft picks for a name player, you can sit back, relax, and get a better deal on a guy like Stallworth, who is better than both Lloyd and ARE combined. Speaking of Stallworth; it turns out he is the best WR that was acquired via trade and free agency in the NFL. Better than guys that the Eagles must have been too cheap and/or stubborn to get like Walker, Lelie, or Moulds.

If I went out for a pass, I could put a double move on Archuleta and catch a pass. Sean Taylor would make me pay though. Is he really the highest paid safety in football? *snicker*

Bubba, jrockster, and tr1 are my favorite posters on ES. I am waiting with baited breath for them to come into this thread and tell me exactly how I have it all wrong and how things aren’t as they appear. Jrock ridiculed anyone who suggested the Eagles would win the East. You were labeled a troll if you didn’t bow down to the greatness which was the Redskins off-season. Again, it’s a shame we had to actually start playing games.

A joke before I depart:

Offensive Coordinator: 2 million dollars

Head Coach: 6 million dollars

New WRs: 20 million dollars

Watching the Skins offense average 9.5 points in their first two games: Priceless

Parting thoughts:

It’s going to be a great season. I sincerely hope some the Skins start winning some games, otherwise, the “NFC EAST WAS WEAK AND THAT’S WHY THE EAGLES WON!!!” excuse will be brought out next off-season. I have missed you guys.

This thread touched my heart: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169028 It turns out that tr1 is human, and not a computer program, designed to piss me off. :D :cheers:

Finally, I hope no one gets too offended by the little bit of smack talk I brought to the table. I've been holding it in for a month now. Just imagine how worse it would have been if the Eagles held on for a 24-7 win on Sunday.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20060919/i/r1406811548.jpg

Come back to me when the season is at least 1/4 the way through. :doh:

[bubba9497]

Bubba, jrockster, and tr1 are my favorite posters on ES. I am waiting with baited breath for them to come into this thread and tell me exactly how I have it all wrong

don't have too, our members can read for themslves


:)

[tr1]

This thread touched my heart: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169028 It turns out that tr1 is human, and not a computer program, designed to piss me off. :D :cheers:


My account must have been hijacked that day... :D

As for your post, you have some of it right, some of it wrong and 14 more games to see what really happens.

As evidenced so far, whoever stays healthiest in the NFCE is likely to win it all.

Oh, and we're one game out of first place with 14 to go...

Stay safe.

[Number5]

Nice to see you are okay WB36. This thread had me cracking up and while I don't agree with everything, I agree with at least 99 percent. I do think the Cowboys winning was a bad thing. Should have been a tie 3 to 3.

Be safe!

[dockeryfan]

Serrry Sherry baby won't you come out tonight.
Holy crap, you've been holding that in for a while.

A little trash is fine at this stage. The skins look like crap and the Eagles are 2-0. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot about that monumental collapse that reminded me of Houston-Buffalo many Moons ago. 1-1. My mistake.

It's week two. I'll be the first to say that Stallworth has played very well, but McNabb has had tons of time. Let's see at least a quarter of the season first before annointing him with holy green oil. ANd I still believe the lack of a proper running attack will prevent this team from going to the next level. Reid is trying to run the ball anyway, much to my surprise. Course his dismal playcalling at the end of the game showed me once again what a great thinker Reid is on the fly.

And I don't know if you are watching all the skins games, but Randel-el is the real deal. He made a mental mistake not running for the marker. but I've been pretty happy with his effort, and on special teams as well. If Brunell can get his friggin head together, he'll start trusting his arm and making passes that are there.

No Portis. No Springs. No Preileau. No Qb. No wins.

Eaglefan can talk trash right now. This is the part of the season thaey were supposed to get wins. The secondary is vulnerable, so a QB should be able to expose the Eagles, so we'll see how that works out for them. They deserve all the congratulations on their two wins so far.

BTW, I thought the 30 days was 29 too long. Tried to send you a PM but it got returned.

[dsciambi]

I'd have to say that everyone who said the NFC East was back, and all four teams would be dominate were completely wrong. I'll include myself in that statement.

No team right now in the NFC East really makes me think "they're going to the playoffs this year, for sure." Let's not even talk about getting to the NFC Championship.

[Henry]

Since we're patting ourselves on the back and all, let me say how darn right I was about how Philly's inability/unwillingness to run the ball consistantly was going to come back and bite them. (Though I didn't expect to see such a glaring example THIS early. Sometimes I'm just so right it's scary :) )

Up by 10 with 6 minutes to go and you pass the ball on first and second down? Good grief. Expect to lose leads all year if you can't figure out how to sustain a running game in the fourth quarter. Philly's just not good enough to get away with that anymore.

[Alabama Man]

I was happy the Cowboys won the other night….I mean, I can only take so many Gatorade showers after week two of the NFL season.

amen, but hey those kind of acts are another feature of redskins football, as I had gone into more detail on in another thread

[Om]

Through two games, the REAL difference between the Eagles and Redskins in 2006 is best summed up in two words.

1) McNabb.

2) Brunell.

Switch unis on the two in your mind, and do the math.

[OWUeagleMD]

Through two games, the REAL difference between the Eagles and Redskins in 2006 is best summed up in two words.

1) McNabb.

2) Brunell.

Switch unis on the two in your mind, and do the math.

That was pretty much my argument between the two teams all offseason. I was routinely told: Brunell had one of the best QB ratings in the NFC last year; It's only one position out of 11; Saunders had less to work with in K.C., will be able to get more out of Brunell as a result.

No need to gloat though, we're all bound to be wrong more than we're right going into each season.

[Who Del]

It's week 3? Great.

[1028046]

Westbrook your jealousy is showing.


I would like to hear your 10 lucky plays you think we got but let me start by saying don't include Mcnabb's skipped passes to LJ & Westbrook (he does that all the time and Eli had some bad throws so thats a wash)

[Om]

That was pretty much my argument between the two teams all offseason. I was routinely told: Brunell had one of the best QB ratings in the NFC last year; It's only one position out of 11; Saunders had less to work with in K.C., will be able to get more out of Brunell as a result.

No need to gloat though, we're all bound to be wrong more than we're right going into each season.

Due respect, but don't pat yourself on the back too much. No thinking NFL watcher would have argued with a straight face that Mark Brunell was going to be a better QB than Donovan McNabb in 2006, or even his equal in terms of playmaking ability. If anyone here did, please point them out and we'll all laugh at them together. :)

The larger point is that few if any really thought Mark would struggle as badly as he has physically in the first 2 games. If he'd even been able to pick up at the pace we saw from him before his knee injury in the 2nd Giants game, which was a reasonable expectation, what he SHOULD have been able to bring would have been more than enough to at least manage the revamped offense competently while it gelled.

For whatever reason---either he's hurt and we don't know it, or his age and accumulated wear & tear have finally caught up with him---he's not the same guy we saw pre-injury last year. He's a much limited version of that, and at least in my view, the largest issue the team faces right now.

Regardless of the why's on Mark, fact is McNabb is in a different class right now as a QB. And the single clearest difference betwee our 0-2 team and your 1-1 team. Again ... trade the unis in your mind, based on what we've seen through two weeks, and tell me if you don't think we'd be looking at a very different situation.

[OWUeagleMD]

Westbrook your jealousy is showing.


I would like to hear your 10 lucky plays you think we got but let me start by saying don't include Mcnabb's skipped passes to LJ & Westbrook (he does that all the time and Eli had some bad throws so thats a wash)

I'm a firm believer in not labeling particular plays in a game lucky. There are always enough snaps to ensure that the most deserving team wins the game.

My guesses on Westbrook's incinuation:

Plaxico's fumble. Who could guess that M. Lewis would pounce on the ball, pick it up trun casually to T. Carter and hand it to him with a pleasant hand-shake to ensure the Giants' touchdown.

Westbrook's fumble.

T. Cole's Sean Taylor moment. (Kidding Skins fans. Kidding)

McNabb's foolish attempt to draw the Giants offsides.

I don't know. There were a collection of unconventional plays that, when dealing with a loss, one might label as lucky. Most ultimately boil down to composure or talent though, so I won't speculate any further as to which plays were lucky.

[OWUeagleMD]

Due respect, but don't pat yourself on the back too much. No thinking NFL watcher would have argued with a straight face that Mark Brunell was going to be a better QB than Donovan McNabb in 2006, or even his equal in terms of playmaking ability. If anyone here did, please point them out and we'll all laugh at them together. :)

The larger point is that few if any really thought Mark would struggle as badly as he has physically in the first 2 games. If he'd even been able to pick up at the pace we saw from him before his knee injury in the 2nd Giants game, which was a reasonable expectation, what he SHOULD have been able to bring would have been more than enough to at least manage the revamped offense competently while it gelled.

For whatever reason---either he's hurt and we don't know it, or his age and accumulated wear & tear have finally caught up with him---he's not the same guy we saw pre-injury last year. He's a much limited version of that, and at least in my view, the largest issue the team faces right now.

Regardless of the why's on Mark, fact is McNabb is in a different class right now as a QB. And the single clearest difference betwee our 0-2 team and your 1-1 team. Again ... trade the unis in your mind, based on what we've seen through two weeks, and tell me if you don't think we'd be looking at a very different situation.

I can't imagine any team winning with Mark Brunell at quarterback based on his play so far this season. Not a single team.

I do think the Skins with McNabb as a QB would have more questions than the Eagles currently have with McNabb at QB.

I didn't mean to suggest that I had predicted some largely unforeseeable reality between McNabb and Brunell though. I agree, even a casual football fan should have known that there was no comparison.

[Om]

I can't imagine any team winning with Mark Brunell at quarterback based on his play so far this season. Not a single team.

I do think the Skins with McNabb as a QB would have more questions than the Eagles currently have with McNabb at QB.

I didn't mean to suggest that I had predicted some largely unforeseeable reality between McNabb and Brunell though. I agree, even a casual football fan should have known that there was no comparison.

Put the year-to-date McNabb in burgundy and gold, and the year-to-date Brunell in green and silver, and even WB36, in all his masturbatory glory, doesn't come trolling here with this particular installment of his ongoing silliness. :)

[THEHEREAFTER]

What a glorious day....

... Watching the Skins offense average 9.5 points in their first two games: Priceless

Parting thoughts:

It’s going to be a great season. I sincerely hope some the Skins start winning some games, otherwise, the “NFC EAST WAS WEAK AND THAT’S WHY THE EAGLES WON!!!” excuse will be brought out next off-season. I have missed you guys.

This thread touched my heart: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169028 It turns out that tr1 is human, and not a computer program, designed to piss me off. :D :cheers:

Finally, I hope no one gets too offended by the little bit of smack talk I brought to the table. I've been holding it in for a month now. Just imagine how worse it would have been if the Eagles held on for a 24-7 win on Sunday.

I'm absolutely loving every word of this post! Good Job WB36 :applause: although I do think T.O. will have more of an impact on the field as the season goes on. I look forward to October 8th.

[THEHEREAFTER]

And I don't know if you are watching all the skins games, but Randel-el is the real deal. .


Not that I think he's a bad player but seriously, what has he done at this point to warrant this statement other than he's "your guy."??

[THEHEREAFTER]

Since we're patting ourselves on the back and all, let me say how darn right I was about how Philly's inability/unwillingness to run the ball consistantly was going to come back and bite them. (Though I didn't expect to see such a glaring example THIS early. Sometimes I'm just so right it's scary :) )

Up by 10 with 6 minutes to go and you pass the ball on first and second down? Good grief. Expect to lose leads all year if you can't figure out how to sustain a running game in the fourth quarter. Philly's just not good enough to get away with that anymore.


Good comeback... I have to agree with this here.. :munchout:

[Warhead36]

Good to see you WB36. ATN just ain't the same without ya bro!

[Warhead36]

Skins w/ McNabb? Are you kidding me? We'd have an unstopable Offense.

[chimster7]

Why is this guy bragging about the eagles monster D when they will be relying on that Hanson kid to cover? That guy is horrible. If he starts any team will be running up the score on the Eagles. And think about this, if Hanson is starting I would hate to see who their nickle is. Blueprint to defeat the Eagles right now = go to 3 wideouts and watch the fireworks.

[OWUeagleMD]

Why is this guy bragging about the eagles monster D when they will be relying on that Hanson kid to cover? That guy is horrible. If he starts any team will be running up the score on the Eagles. And think about this, if Hanson is starting I would hate to see who their nickle is. Blueprint to defeat the Eagles right now = go to 3 wideouts and watch the fireworks.

Very true. Luckily Rod Hood and Lito Sheppard should be back on the field by the time we play a competitive team.

[Jumbo]

THA...minor point on housekeeping...refresh yourself on rule #11..thanks

[1028046]

I'm a firm believer in not labeling particular plays in a game lucky. There are always enough snaps to ensure that the most deserving team wins the game.

My guesses on Westbrook's incinuation:

Plaxico's fumble. Who could guess that M. Lewis would pounce on the ball, pick it up trun casually to T. Carter and hand it to him with a pleasant hand-shake to ensure the Giants' touchdown.

Westbrook's fumble.

T. Cole's Sean Taylor moment. (Kidding Skins fans. Kidding)

McNabb's foolish attempt to draw the Giants offsides.

I don't know. There were a collection of unconventional plays that, when dealing with a loss, one might label as lucky. Most ultimately boil down to composure or talent though, so I won't speculate any further as to which plays were lucky.

I will say that the Carter TD was a little luck

Westbrooks fumble is a mistake on Reids part putting the ball in his hands during crunch time was a mistake. The truly great players hold on during those times.(errr sorry Jerome Bettis) and that was likely pay back for the ball that bounced of Barbers chest into the hands of the eagles.

Trent Cole should have been kicked out of the game along with Akers who finally apologized today. That shot he took at Charles Way in street clothes was clearly intentional

[dockeryfan]

Not that I think he's a bad player but seriously, what has he done at this point to warrant this statement other than he's "your guy."??
Instantly upgraded special teams.

[skinsngibbs4life]

That was pretty much my argument between the two teams all offseason. I was routinely told: Brunell had one of the best QB ratings in the NFC last year; It's only one position out of 11; Saunders had less to work with in K.C., will be able to get more out of Brunell as a result.

No need to gloat though, we're all bound to be wrong more than we're right going into each season.

2 games out with 5 to go???
1 game out with 14 to go???

hm... which seems like the better situation?
which one got us into the playoffs?

but its ok, you can enjoy your minor successes against the TEXANS and 49ERS now. We will just be the ones laughing when you all self destruct when your schedule actually gets tough.

[eagles78]

but its ok, you can enjoy your minor successes against the TEXANS and 49ERS now. We will just be the ones laughing when you all self destruct when your schedule actually gets tough.And I'll be laughing until you're able to escape the cellar.:rolleyes:

[zoony]

Westy fancies himself a message board Peter King :doh:

Get over yourself :laugh:

[Alabama Man]

Where did Akers apologize for that 'hit'?

[Goaldeje]

I can't imagine any team winning with Mark Brunell at quarterback based on his play so far this season. Not a single team.

I do think the Skins with McNabb as a QB would have more questions than the Eagles currently have with McNabb at QB.

I didn't mean to suggest that I had predicted some largely unforeseeable reality between McNabb and Brunell though. I agree, even a casual football fan should have known that there was no comparison.


Right.

What's that? What the hell was that? Something just went flying by me, never to be seen again. What was it? Oh, I see, it was your credability... :laugh:

[bubba9497]

The only thing this thread proves is OWUeagleMD is a big a blind homer he likes to accuse others of being.... if not bigger

:laugh:

[skinsngibbs4life]

And I'll be laughing until you're able to escape the cellar.:rolleyes:

good, because it will just make it that much sweeter once you all are the ones looking up at the rest of the division

[eagles78]

good, because it will just make it that much sweeter once you all are the ones looking up at the rest of the divisionI can see it now, the Eagles easily beat the Texans, but that's because the game fell on the "easy part" of the schedule. However, when the Skins beat them, it'll be the complete opposite and they'll be on their way back up, right?

[Goaldeje]

I can see it now, the Eagles easily beat the Texans, but that's because the game fell on the "easy part" of the schedule. However, when the Skins beat them, it'll be the complete opposite and they'll be on their way back up, right?


Well, yeah. This is a Reskins site, you know? ;)

[eagles78]

Well, yeah. This is a Reskins site, you know? ;)Well, yes, but I'm just pointing out the double standard that's bound to occur.:D

[Warhead36]

I think most of the rational Skins fans we have on here realize that a win against the Texans would be big for team confidence and what not, but it doesn't justify anything other than just getting our first win of the year...

[bubba9497]

Well, yes, but I'm just pointing out the double standard that's bound to occur.:D



an eagle fans will not say the Texan's are somehow less the team that Philly beat


:laugh: riiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt only Skin fans

[eagles78]

an eagle fans will not say the Texan's are somehow less the team that Philly beat


:laugh: riiiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt:whoknows: I'm not really following what you mean here.

[bubba9497]

:whoknows: I'm not really following what you mean here.


the so called "double standard", it's only Redskins stoop to that level.... :rolleyes:


you knew what I meant

[eagles78]

the so called "double standard", it's only Redskins stoop to that level.... :rolleyes:


you knew what I meantI didn't say that only Redskins fans use a double standard. I just said that if and when they beat Houston, I'm gonna see it.

What I didn't understand is what you said about Eagles fans and how we'll say that the Texans are no where near the team they were 2 weeks ago. If any one says that, they're an idiot.

[Alabama Man]

And Akers just got fined 5k by the NFL for that 'hit'. Jesus find Brandon Jacobs for the block in the back, or Luke Petitgout for raping him, if anyone.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tjaTQ0EPyRM

I've yet to find an artical that stated akers apologized, I'm still confused as to why he would have? If not one of those "sorry if theres a misunderstanding" deals

[bubba9497]

I didn't say that only Redskins fans use a double standard. I just said that if and when they beat Houston, I'm gonna see it.

What I didn't understand is what you said about Eagles fans and how we'll say that the Texans are no where near the team they were 2 weeks ago. If any one says that, they're an idiot.

I was thinking of Westbrook36


I've heard it before :laugh:

[bubba9497]

And Akers just got fined 5k by the NFL for that 'hit'. Jesus find Brandon Jacobs for the block in the back, or Luke Petitgout for raping him, if anyone.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tjaTQ0EPyRM

I've yet to find an artical that stated akers apologized, I'm still confused as to why he would have? If not one of those "sorry if theres a misunderstanding" deals


Maybe because he jumped into an innocent coach on the sideline... anything that happened to him afterward was deserved

[THEHEREAFTER]

THA...minor point on housekeeping...refresh yourself on rule #11..thanks


Gotcha... :cool:

[Alabama Man]

Maybe because he jumped into an innocent coach on the sideline... anything that happened to him afterward was deserved

Then you tell me, why should we take a 'leap' of faith and say a softspoken guy like David Akers, a kicker, decides he going to attack an unpadded man, right on the giants sideline? He would have to know the repercussions.

That suggest the actions of an unbalanced man. Wrap this all together with the fact that he gets pushed from behind by Brandon Jacobs, which provides a much more reasonable explanation of how this happened, and how can anyone deny it?

BTW, incase anyone already said, the reason nobody came to his aid, was that other eagles players didn't even know this happened until after the game, so nobody was going to come flying over to his aid during this 10 second event.

[tr1]

Then you tell me, why should we take a 'leap' of faith and say a softspoken guy like David Akers, a kicker, decides he going to attack an unpadded man, right on the giants sideline? He would have to know the repercussions.

That suggest the actions of an unbalanced man. Wrap this all together with the fact that he gets pushed from behind by Brandon Jacobs, which provides a much more reasonable explanation of how this happened, and how can anyone deny it?

BTW, incase anyone already said, the reason nobody came to his aid, was that other eagles players didn't even know this happened until after the game, so nobody was going to come flying over to his aid during this 10 second event.

Man, what game were you watching? It was obvious Akers didn't have to hit the coach...

If Akers hasn't apologized, he should.

[bubba9497]

Man, what game were you watching? It was obvious Akers didn't have to hit the coach...

If Akers hasn't apologized, he should.


exactly, Jacobs "push" did not force Akers into that coach. there is no "leap" of anything needed... except maybe some leap into glasses for you.

If he was mad about Jacobs, he should have jumped Jacobs, not some unprotected older out of shape coach, who wasn't expecting anything.... don't you think

Akers slows up, then takes two or three steps jumping into the coach, it wasn't because he couldn't stop, in fact he almost did, and if it was unintentional he wouldn't have jumped into the guy... he made no attempt to avoid him, or catch himself

[Eagle091]

ummm he's a fraking kicker. nuff said. gheesh.

[Westbrook36]

This thread has been great. Really, I want to thank all my good friends at ES for making it a success.

One thing I love about ES, more than anything, is the ability of the Redskins faithful to properly appoint ONE scapegoat for any poor situation the Skins find themselves in.

Conveniently, it is never someone like Gibbs/Saunders, who observed Brunnell through all of the late season collapse at the QB position of 05, the OTAs this year, training camp, and the preseason.

Gibbs is never to held accountable for one position that is, by the estimation of the really really smart people on ES, the main cause of the downfall of the Redskins? Did this all come out of thin air? Did Brunnell have 5 straight probowl seasons before this season and now we are all equally dumbfounded as to what the hell is going on?

No, but he will be made the scapegoat, regardless. We will make dramatic leaps of faith where teams will be compared, EXCEPT THE QB POSITION, because we all know that is how you compare teams. You do it by leaving out the most important position on the field, then you see how they look side by side!!!!

We will all conveniently look the other way when other areas like the offensive line (who brought this up before??), the defensive line, or the CBs are brought up.

[jimster]

Wow, what a classy post.

After reading it, I was wondering if was going to snow tonight, but then I remembered that it wasn't February and the Eagles hadn't gone 14-2 and were getting set to play in the Superbowl, but it was actually September and only 2 weeks of football has even been played. Yet, here is a bitter, bitter little Eagles fan that has proclaimed their season a success after only winning one game at Houston and blowing a huge lead at home.

[jpgirth]

This thread has been great. Really, I want to thank all my good friends at ES for making it a success.

One thing I love about ES, more than anything, is the ability of the Redskins faithful to properly appoint ONE scapegoat for any poor situation the Skins find themselves in.

Conveniently, it is never someone like Gibbs/Saunders, who observed Brunnell through all of the late season collapse at the QB position of 05, the OTAs this year, training camp, and the preseason.

Gibbs is never to held accountable for one position that is, by the estimation of the really really smart people on ES, the main cause of the downfall of the Redskins? Did this all come out of thin air? Did Brunnell have 5 straight probowl seasons before this season and now we are all equally dumbfounded as to what the hell is going on?

No, but he will be made the scapegoat, regardless. We will make dramatic leaps of faith where teams will be compared, EXCEPT THE QB POSITION, because we all know that is how you compare teams. You do it by leaving out the most important position on the field, then you see how they look side by side!!!!

We will all conveniently look the other way when other areas like the offensive line (who brought this up before??), the defensive line, or the CBs are brought up.

Who holds Andy Reid and the Philadelphia Eagles Organization responsible for an 0-7 division record in the last 7 division games?

[tr1]

Who holds Andy Reid and the Philadelphia Eagles Organization responsible for an 0-7 division record in the last 7 division games?

Ouch!

WB does a lot of crowing for a 1-1 team whose coach still can't manage a game...but let's not talk about Andy.

Let's chat about the qb who looks good, but can't win the pressure games.

Oh, BTW, you may have noticed that Donte dropped a big pass down the stretch that would have helped you tremendously...I think this was the knock against the guy in NO.

[Om]

Me, I'm just reminded once again of how ridiculous I would look going to some other team's board and attempting to pass myself off as someone who knows more about the local team than the people who actually follow it, closely, on a daily basis.

WB36 like to hear himself talk, that much is clear, and he fancies himself a pretty astute observer of all things Redskin. He's even fairly glib at times. But he doesn't seem to care--or perhaps more likely, have a clue--just how pompously silly he sounds most of the time to those who see that the self-appointed emperor has no clothes.

Thanks for your sevice, WB. And the entertainment value. :)

[OWUeagleMD]

The only thing this thread proves is OWUeagleMD is a big a blind homer he likes to accuse others of being.... if not bigger

:laugh:

Did I even make a single strong statement in this thread?

Let's see...

I said that there is no such thing as luck in a football game and that it shouldn't be used as an excuse for a loss, before speculating what someone else may consider fortuitous plays from the Giants-Eagles game.

I agreed that our secondary situation is pretty hairy until Lito and Rod Hood come back from injury.

Ahh, that's right. I said that the Eagles are better off currently than the Skins would be with McNabb at QB. Based on what we've seen so far this season, I struggle to see how that can be such a blindly biased thought. Certainly the Skins offense would improve with McNabb, but unless he is going to rush the passer or play cornerback I really don't see him fixing every problem the Redskins have.

[Goaldeje]

This thread has been great. Really, I want to thank all my good friends at ES for making it a success.

One thing I love about ES, more than anything, is the ability of the Redskins faithful to properly appoint ONE scapegoat for any poor situation the Skins find themselves in.

Conveniently, it is never someone like Gibbs/Saunders, who observed Brunnell through all of the late season collapse at the QB position of 05, the OTAs this year, training camp, and the preseason.

Gibbs is never to held accountable for one position that is, by the estimation of the really really smart people on ES, the main cause of the downfall of the Redskins? Did this all come out of thin air? Did Brunnell have 5 straight probowl seasons before this season and now we are all equally dumbfounded as to what the hell is going on?

No, but he will be made the scapegoat, regardless. We will make dramatic leaps of faith where teams will be compared, EXCEPT THE QB POSITION, because we all know that is how you compare teams. You do it by leaving out the most important position on the field, then you see how they look side by side!!!!

We will all conveniently look the other way when other areas like the offensive line (who brought this up before??), the defensive line, or the CBs are brought up.


Right. Brunell was horrible down the stretch last year. Remind me, was that not when we won 5 in a row? Oh wait, I'm sorry, make it 6 in a row, counting the playoff win. Right. He was horrendous.

And by the way, OM is right. You guys choked. Go cry on your own board.

[Alabama Man]

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/sports/football/nfl/philadelphia_eagles/15577871.htm


Akers fined

The NFL fined Eagles kicker David Akers and two New York Giants $5,000 for the altercation that took place on the visitors' sideline after the opening kickoff Sunday at Lincoln Financial Field.

Akers' agent, Jerrold Colton, said his client plans to appeal the fine.

Running back Brandon Jacobs and offensive tackle Luke Petitgout were the Giants hit with fines. The incident occurred when Akers was pushed from behind by Jacobs and ran into Charles Way, the Giants' director of programs. Petitgout immediately grabbed Akers, and Jacobs pushed him from behind.

Asked by New York reporters about the fine, Jacobs indicated it was worth it because the Giants were upset about Akers' running into Way. Akers placed a phone call to Way, a former Giants fullback who attended Northeast High.

"I just wanted him to know I did not intentionally run into him," Akers said. "He was cool about it."

Petitgout said Akers was trying to be a "punk" by taking a "cheap shot" at Way.

Oh my gawd, an artical that backs everything I said. Even what my own intuition said should have happened.

Two giants are fined. And the only phone call Akers made to Way was to let them know it was an accident. AND Akers agent is petitioning his fine to boot!

And guess what else? Brandon Jacobs and Luke Petitgout now are both on the record as being the only ones admitting to some maliously activity.

Bubba just put your tail between your legs here I won't think any less of you. All you had to do was use common sense to explain what happened here. Then couple it with the kind of man Akers is, and you know that any implication that he was at fault was ludicrous. THEN you have guys like Randy Brown who have coached special teams for the Eagles, and has known Akers personally for many years, vouching for his character. He stated that of all the players in the NFL, Akers is the last one you need to worry about trying to take a cheap shot. Something I already knew. Having known none of that, then while loading up that video, you have a pre-determined idea of what you want to see, I can see how you might have seen what you saw.

Akers name needs to be cleared right now, no question. Terrible.

[Priapus]

Akers slows up, then takes two or three steps jumping into the coach, it wasn't because he couldn't stop, in fact he almost did, and if it was unintentional he wouldn't have jumped into the guy... he made no attempt to avoid him, or catch himself


Screen shots Bubba. Screen shots & big red arrows. We need to see proof of this.

It's funny how this whole thread got twisted away from it's origin, to focus on a how the kicker may/may not have got shoved into a Giants coach. It's almost like something is being avoided.

[Alabama Man]

Understand this. Akers said it was an accident. Bubba says it wasn't. Akers is wrong? Who is dense? Get real.

Bubba is not debating me. He is conflicting with myself, AKERS, and even Charles Way, who seems understanding of what transpired.

[Isifhan]

Understand this. Akers said it was an accident. Bubba says it wasn't. Akers is wrong? Who is dense? Get real.

Whatever has been said...the guy clearly launched himself towards the sidelines. Maybe he wasn't aiming at the coach but he got pushed in the back, took three steps and then LEPT right shoulder forward into the sideline. It didn't look like he triped and there was ample time to just run into the sideline without leaving his feet or slow down, but he pysically lept, taking both feet off the ground. There was no obstacle that he was jumping over to try and avoid and even if there was why would he lead shoulder first? I just don't see how that could be an accident.

[tr1]

Understand this. Akers said it was an accident. Bubba says it wasn't. Akers is wrong? Who is dense? Get real.

Bubba is not debating me. He is conflicting with myself, AKERS, and even Charles Way, who seems understanding of what transpired.


Such bull****. Look at the tape. Akers didn't even try to stop himself. He took a cheap shot, regardless of who he called. Listen to the announcers who called the play. :doh:

Talk about an alternative reality.

[bubba9497]

Understand this. Akers said it was an accident. Bubba says it wasn't. Akers is wrong? Who is dense? Get real.

Bubba is not debating me. He is conflicting with myself, AKERS, and even Charles Way, who seems understanding of what transpired.

I know what I saw, and so does everyone else, Akers has to live with himself.

and the prisons are full of guys who said they didn't do it :laugh:




put your tail between your legs here I won't think any less of you"

Oh yeah that will happen :laugh:


BTW why would I care what you think of me???

[skinsngibbs4life]

Then you tell me, why should we take a 'leap' of faith and say a softspoken guy like David Akers, a kicker, decides he going to attack an unpadded man, right on the giants sideline? He would have to know the repercussions.

That suggest the actions of an unbalanced man. Wrap this all together with the fact that he gets pushed from behind by Brandon Jacobs, which provides a much more reasonable explanation of how this happened, and how can anyone deny it?

BTW, incase anyone already said, the reason nobody came to his aid, was that other eagles players didn't even know this happened until after the game, so nobody was going to come flying over to his aid during this 10 second event.

So I guess when lowered his shoulder and put his arms up like he was going to hit someone, he was just protecting himself right?

Give me a break, just admit that he did something wrong. You can the most softspoken person in world and they are going to make a bad decision every once in awhile. Just live with it. Your never going to win this argument

[Alabama Man]

tr1

Listen to the announcers who called the play.


Who, Joe Buck? Yeah, because Mr. Full moon has no history of over reacting to things on a whim... If Joe Buck hadn't decided for the nation what went down, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.


I know what I saw, and so does everyone else, Akers has to live with himself.

and the prisons are full of guys who said they didn't do it :laugh:



Again how many countless times do we see another example of a few skins fans getting together and actually thinking they are winning an argument because they outnumber someone.

I was about to reclarify my 'dense' comment was intended at the guy who was asking for clarification with signs, sarcastically. That fool was actually using my own 'blue skies' theory against me? But I guess it still applies to you guys. That daming artical put the final nail in the coffin and yet we are still talking here.

Speaking of prisoners, we cannot begin to dismiss this guys character when it comes to this incident. That is as much a part of this argument as anything. When you are dealing with a player who is constantly agressive, and is known to have done some questionable things in his life on and off the field, its one thing to accuse him of something. I let you fill in the blank on who that might be. But when we are talking about a man like David Akers, I think he is more then deserving of the benift of your doubt.

Yet let us dimiss the character of David Akers for a moment, which we already know is gold (I'm sure he appreaciates your comparison of him to a prinsoner). Lets just focus in on the likleyhood of this mastermind ploy to attack a giant, player or employee, on their own sideline, when he know's he is going to be majorly outnumbered. Would you agree that this sounds like a intelligent decision?

[Alabama Man]

So I guess when lowered his shoulder and put his arms up like he was going to hit someone, he was just protecting himself right?

Give me a break, just admit that he did something wrong. You can the most softspoken person in world and they are going to make a bad decision every once in awhile. Just live with it. Your never going to win this argument

Like he was going to hit someone, exactly. But not by choice. If you get shoved into someone, do you just leave your arms at your sides and just go face to face with him? Putting your arms out to act as shock absorbers protect both parties.

You need to realize I'm not the one that needs to admit their wrong here.

[WeownU]

Maybe because he jumped into an innocent coach on the sideline... anything that happened to him afterward was deserved

Agreed. It was Bush league, and he deserved to get the snot kicked out of him.

[skinsngibbs4life]

Speaking of prisoners, we cannot begin to dismiss this guys character when it comes to this incident. That is as much a part of this argument as anything. When you are dealing with a player who is constantly agressive, and is known to have done some questionable things in his life on and off the field, its one thing to accuse him of something. I let you fill in the blank on who that might be. But when we are talking about a man like David Akers, I think he is more then deserving of the benift of your doubt.

Like I said earlier, good people sometimes do bad things. Just because they have a reputation for being good doesnt mean everything they do is going to be good. Do you really think that every "good" person in the world is perfect?


Yet let us dimiss the character of David Akers for a moment, which we already know is gold (I'm sure he appreaciates your comparison of him to a prinsoner). Lets just focus in on the likleyhood of this mastermind ploy to attack a giant, player or employee, on their own sideline, when he know's he is going to be majorly outnumbered. Would you agree that this sounds like a intelligent decision?

Who ever said that NFL players were intelligent

I mean, just face it, your golden boy did something wrong. Just look at the video. All the evidence is right there.

1) He jumped into the guy
2) Lowered his shoulder before the hit
3) raised his arms in a hitting motion

does this really seem like the act of an innocent man???

[skinsngibbs4life]

Like he was going to hit someone, exactly. But not by choice. If you get shoved into someone, do you just leave your arms at your sides and just go face to face with him? Putting your arms out to act as shock absorbers protect both parties.

You need to realize I'm not the one that needs to admit their wrong here.

He was a good 5 yards away from the sideline!!! are you trying to tell me that in 5 yards you cant slow down at all?

And if I get shoved into somebody, I wouldnt put my arms up like im going to hit them, I would brace myself against them so you dont hit them at full speed :rolleyes:

And I guess that also describes why he jumped into him too right? That must also be a great shock absorber :rolleyes:

[bubba9497]

Again how many countless times do we see another example of a few skins fans getting together and actually thinking they are winning an argument because they outnumber someone.


translation: I got nothing to prove anyone wrong, so attack their integrity :rolleyes:



You can scream his character all day long.....though no one ever heard of Akers being a saint..... he did it, why? who knows, but he did

the fact that he hasn't apologized, even "if" it was an accident plays more to the theory he is a punk, than a character guy

[Isifhan]

If you get shoved into someone, do you just leave your arms at your sides and just go face to face with him? Putting your arms out to act as shock absorbers protect both parties.

What does leaping off your feet unnecessarily do? Seriously how are you not seeing this? If Akers made any attempt to slow down prior to putting his arms up then OK he was trying to slow himself at the same time protecting the people he was going to hit. That is not at all what he does here.



You need to realize I'm not the one that needs to admit their wrong here.

Uh, don't be so sure of that.

[bubba9497]

You need to realize I'm not the one that needs to admit their wrong here.

I figured it out......

you're David Akers!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

Let's face it, Akers made the call to try to avoid a fine.

'bama man, you crack me up!

BBbb....BBBWWWWAAAAAAhahahahahahahahah!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[dockeryfan]

Alabama man, you need to realize when you have lost an argument or are simply just plain wrong.
You sound like a patsy fro the eggles.
Spadaro?

[Westbrook36]

I find it interesting that in every single thread where I make point after point after point, they are all summarily ignored and the subject is always conveniently changed. :laugh:

[zoony]

I find it interesting that in every single thread where I make point after point after point, they are all summarily ignored and the subject is always conveniently changed. :laugh:


It's because nobody likes you

[KingRex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjaTQ0EPyRM

David Akers slows down then jumps at the older, out of shape coach on the sidelines. Then gets tossed to the floor like a red-headed stepchild.

Don't have the volume too loud.

[zoony]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjaTQ0EPyRM

David Akers slows down then jumps at the older, out of shape coach on the sidelines. Then gets tossed to the floor like a red-headed stepchild.

Don't have the volume too loud.



Wow, proof right there. Alabama fan has his head completely inserted in his own ass. Of course, we all knew that seeing as how he's an iggles fan

I wonder if he'll show his face again?

.....

[Barney B]

I will concede that Carter looks better without a shirt then Howard. If I were a Skins fan, a shirtless picture of Carter would be my signature, horrible play be damned.


Nothing about the opening post should surprise anybody, except that this time it took 13 paragraphs for Westy to get around to his favorite topic - shirtless men.

Not that there's anything wrong with that... :)

[KingRex]

Why was McNabb playing around and giving his team false start penalties? Great leader....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKF6zIJJnYw

[sircharlz]

Why was McNabb playing around and giving his team false start penalties? Great leader....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKF6zIJJnYw

McNabb lacks maturity. While the Eagles were building a comfortable lead early in the game, this fool is on the sidelines joking and laughing with his teammates. He thought the game was over, under control. A true, natural leader will never lose focus. A real leader will keep everyone in tune until the final second has ticked off.

Another sign, once the game was slipping away he is again shown on the sidelines seemingly pouting on the bench. Hey, o' great leader of the eagles, try to get your team together and rally to save the game. Nah, he probably doesn't get into to many guys faces for fear of committing black on black crime.

[skinfan2k]

maybe TO was right, that mcnabb was the only who got tired in the superbowl. at least TO shows up to play and give 110% on the field

[Alabama Man]

Wow, proof right there. Alabama fan has his head completely inserted in his own ass. Of course, we all knew that seeing as how he's an iggles fan

I wonder if he'll show his face again?

.....

Perhaps he would like to review this thread and see who originally posted this link? Because the link proves my point.

I have nothing else to say to this unless you want to bring something else to the table. Akers said he didn't do it, Way doesn't hold a grudge about it, and the whole argument any of you present about this being calculated holds no water if you look at this objectively. So again bring something else to the table. I'm sorry if Akers didn't look like a balanced enough for your liking when he is running at full speed, ready to make a play on the ball carrier, when he gets shoved out of bounds. I guess he didn't stop himself pretty enough for you. I posted the video, and you can see, as he attempts to stop himself, and yes put his hands out to protect himself did ease the blow as Way never even fell over, and Akers was the one left looking confused just after the impact.



Bubba

translation: I got nothing to prove anyone wrong, so attack their integrity :rolleyes:

You can scream his character all day long.....though no one ever heard of Akers being a saint..... he did it, why? who knows, but he did

If you want to see me attack somebodys credibility I'd make a statment like that idea of being a more rational thinker then those twice my age is quite sad. I guess it's too many years of drinking bud lite and watching re-runs of riggins running down the field. But you'll notice I continue that post with content, and did not leave it with one thought. I don't know if it's more therapeutic for you to play a scenario in your mind where if everyone else thinks your right, it means your right, but unfortunately nobody here is in in middle school anymore.

However that is percisely the problem here with you guys. You don't know David Akers character so you have nothing to base on anything. Just because you don't know anything more about Akers other then him being one of the top kickers in the league, doesn't mean no one else does. And its percisely why I have a problem with his reputation being dragged through the mud. That much needs to end. As looking at this whole scenario logically makes the claims or his refuters very questionable.

Alright I've got to get back to the books, so go turn espn classic back on.

[Isifhan]

I have nothing else to say to this unless you want to bring something else to the table

Sure, I'll bite. I'm sure nothing was "premeditated" or whatever...the proof is in the visual pudding so to speak. So I'll ask you a question, if this was a video of Sean Taylor getting pushed in the back, and the preceding video was of ST instead of Akers I'm curious....what would your reaction be?

[KingRex]

Perhaps he would like to review this thread and see who originally posted this link? Because the link proves my point.

Your point is that David Akers slowed himself down by lunging at a Giants coach? Then yes, he did indeed slow himself down by jumping at an unsuspecting man on the sidelines. Brandon Jacobs is so strong, his shove sent paperweight David Akers flying five yards out of control, whereby Akers needed to jump shoulder pads first into a man without any protection on his person. Also by hitting Charles Way with his shoulder pads, Akers was really looking out for Ways' safety? Brilliant!
You've proven your point valiantly. You must be proud. :applause: :doh:

[Alabama Man]

Sure, I'll bite. I'm sure nothing was "premeditated" or whatever...the proof is in the visual pudding so to speak. So I'll ask you a question, if this was a video of Sean Taylor getting pushed in the back, and the preceding video was of ST instead of Akers I'm curious....what would your reaction be?

As I stated a few pages back in regards to akers, that when you are in doubt you gotta take the players word for it because of his person. Sean Taylor would be a different case. A lot less mature, not to mention you got a guy who is known for being aggressive, and an incidental past, and lies about it, (I didn't spit at him coach, honest)

He puts his arms out kingrex, live with it

[Isifhan]

As I stated a few pages back in regards to akers, that when you are in doubt you gotta take the players word for it because of his person.

You are missing my point dude. What do your eyes tell you that happened on this play? If you are making this a character issue then your theory that he lept towards the sidelines in self defense or to slow the impact is completely without merit, because it would have to be true for ST as well. You can't have it one way for one person then change it for another, it either happened or it didn't.

[Westbrook36]

You can't always take a players word. ST told GW that he didn't spit on Pittman.

[tr1]

You can't always take a players word. ST told GW that he didn't spit on Pittman.

And TO said he felt at home in Philly and loved all the players, especially McNabb.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[OWUeagleMD]

McNabb lacks maturity. While the Eagles were building a comfortable lead early in the game, this fool is on the sidelines joking and laughing with his teammates. He thought the game was over, under control. A true, natural leader will never lose focus. A real leader will keep everyone in tune until the final second has ticked off.

Another sign, once the game was slipping away he is again shown on the sidelines seemingly pouting on the bench. Hey, o' great leader of the eagles, try to get your team together and rally to save the game. Nah, he probably doesn't get into to many guys faces for fear of committing black on black crime.

And if you actually thought this than you would simply enjoy the many seasons of disappointment ahead for Donovan and the Eagles. Instead, you indict McNabb's leadership abilities in a post clearly born from the frustration of knowing a divisional rival has the best QB in the conference, whereas the most important position on a football team remains dubiously in peril for the Redskins.

[KingRex]

You are missing my point dude. What do your eyes tell you that happened on this play? If you are making this a character issue then your theory that he lept towards the sidelines in self defense or to slow the impact is completely without merit, because it would have to be true for ST as well. You can't have it one way for one person then change it for another, it either happened or it didn't.
He gets your point. He won't acknowledge it because he prefers to sidestep towards Akers' character rather than the actual incident that has been recorded. It's pretty much pointless to continue arguing with him because he is an Eagles' fan, and can't possibly imagine an Eagles' player being dirty.

[Eagle091]

it's a freakin kicker, jheeeesh. dead horse.

[dockeryfan]

it's a freakin kicker, jheeeesh. dead horse.
Christ, let this monstrosity novelette thread die already.
I was bad enough reading this crap once.

[Alabama Man]

You are missing my point dude. What do your eyes tell you that happened on this play? If you are making this a character issue then your theory that he lept towards the sidelines in self defense or to slow the impact is completely without merit, because it would have to be true for ST as well. You can't have it one way for one person then change it for another, it either happened or it didn't.

I didn't side step that? I have dismissed it. As Akers being pushed out of bounds, isn't gonna make him look the most graceful.

This sounds like when bubba trying to use my inditement of redskins fans against me. He seemed to forget I answer every questing thrown at me, in addition to that indictment.

Hell, if anything everyone else is side stepping the issue. Like how the logic of akers attacking personal of the giants on their sidelines makes no sense. Wherein my whole character argument becomes relevant. Oh wait, I guess thats why they avoid that first part. Boy process has a way of answering many questions, huh murphy? Disregard that last comment, that one was for me.

tr1, so now bubba has compared Akers character to a prisoner, and you compare him to TO? Bubba already said outright he knows nothing about Akers character (should tell you right there why he shouldn't be participating in this thread) and he didn't even need to say that. You both proved ya don't know anything about him.

It sure is fun debating a topic with people that are uninformed of the topic. I guess thats why you all think you have so a strong case here, huh?