KC 41 SF 0 - Nolan and Norvis Are The Worst (update: Bears score 41 on SF 1st half)

[tr1]

To think we had to suffer through Norv for, what, seven long years. :doh:

Nice guy, bad football coach.

And Nolan...the folks in the Bay Area are done with him. Unfortunately, the management there may wait a long time to do something.

Norv will never find another Aikman.

[DWinzit]

To think we had to suffer through Norv for, what, seven long years. :doh:
Nice guy, bad football coach. Norv will never find another Aikman.
Norv forgot to use his secret weapon Taylor Jacobs!;) 0 receptions!

[kingfish50]

I remember those two from a bad dream I had a few years back. It was one long nightmare.

[Mr. S]

after two disappointing weeks, I gotta drop my Gore/Bryant fantastic duo in fantasy football. Man, against the Cheifs? How can anyone not score on them, yet score really well against Seattle?

[slackermike]

I keep forgetting that Norv is on the 49er's coaching staff. I think I'm just trying to block that name out from my memory. :laugh:

[Streater101]

How Norv manages to keep landing jobs is beyond me.

[More Complete]

Norv forgot to use his secret weapon Taylor Jacobs!;) 0 receptions!

He's inactive with a bad pulled hammy. :idea:

Date Opp. Rec Yds Lg TD
09/17 STL 0 0 0 0
09/24 PHI 0 0 0 0
10/01 KC 0 0 0 0


Looks like we got the better end of that deal.

[kevin11]

jacobs didn't do much for the redslons anyway. jacobs, I guess was good to go too when our wr was completely hurt other than SANTANA MOSS.

[Califan007]

Which member of the mediots was it who said "Snyder would have won a few Super Bowls by now if he had not fired Norv Turner"???...I want to find him and whack him upside his head with a vacuum cleaner for filling one sentence with so much stupidity.

[tr1]

Which member of the mediots was it who said "Snyder would have won a few Super Bowls by now if he had not fired Norv Turner"???...I want to find him and whack him upside his head with a vacuum cleaner for filling one sentence with so much stupidity.

While I have you on the line, Califan007, who are LA fans rooting for these days? Does anyone still like the Raiders?

[whatmeworry]

Gee, tell us something we don't know

[skin_finatic]

what a duo!

[jpyaks3]

Everyone here seems to forget the skins getting blown out 36-0 to the Giants, ****ty games happen. Do you say Gibbs was a failure because he lost that game 36-0 or Williams was a failure because he gave up 36 points, bad games will happen especially with young teams. The Chiefs had an extra week to prepare and its always tough playing in a hostile environment like Arrowhead. It was a terribly ugly loss, but as a very young team you will occasionally have those games. Most of the levelheaded niners fans are happy with Nolans progress and realize this is just one bad week. The chiefs two losses came to a very strong bengals team and a denver team thats looked great outside of week one.

[tr1]

Everyone here seems to forget the skins getting blown out 36-0 to the Giants, ****ty games happen. Do you say Gibbs was a failure because he lost that game 36-0 or Williams was a failure because he gave up 36 points, bad games will happen especially with young teams. The Chiefs had an extra week to prepare and its always tough playing in a hostile environment like Arrowhead. It was a terribly ugly loss, but as a very young team you will occasionally have those games. And whoever said Nolan has lost fan support he most certainly hasnt, most of the levelheaded niners fans are happy with his progress and realize this is just one bad week. The chiefs two losses came to a very strong bengals team and a denver team thats looked great outside of week one.


My Niner friends, and I have many, aren't very happy...

This is exactly what Norv does....gets the players to look like they can do something, but ultimately, because of a lack of whatever, they fail...

It's a pattern since he left Aikman.

[jpyaks3]

My Niner friends, and I have many, aren't very happy...

This is exactly what Norv does....gets the players to look like they can do something, but ultimately, because of a lack of whatever, they fail...

It's a pattern since he left Aikman.

What I am saying is one game doesnt make a season, one bad loss, which this one is as bas as they come doesnt mean a whole lot to me in the long run. He took an offense that was ranked 32nd last year and bumped it up to the 13th ranked offense, even after this past abysmal showing. If the team keeps putting up performances like this then theres a problem but an isolated incident with one of the leagues youngest teams is hardly a reason to be calling out a coaching staff, if that were the case then gibbs and williams should be in the same boat, but we all know they are very good coaches but these games happen to everyone.

[jpyaks3]

My Niner friends, and I have many, aren't very happy...

This is exactly what Norv does....gets the players to look like they can do something, but ultimately, because of a lack of whatever, they fail...

It's a pattern since he left Aikman.

As for the niners fans not being happy most of this board was flipping their **** after the loss to minny and dallas, there are very few levelheaded fans that I know that arnt happy with the progress Nolan has made.

[Boss_Hogg]

Painful memories of Norv and Nolan.

Norv's Teams would frustrate me so much. Then Nolan was brought in to to be the D cooridinator in 97 or 98, yet the D still sucked, poor Darrell Green :(

[ouvan59]

if that were the case then gibbs and williams should be in the same boat, but we all know they are very good coaches but these games happen to everyone.

That's the difference. Everyone knows Gibbs and Williams are very good coaches. The same can't be said for Norval and Nolan.

Norv has coached one offense since he left the Cowboys to a top 10 ranking. That was the 1999 Redskins. Norv has coached one team since he left the Cowboys to a playoff appearance. That was the 1999 Redskins. What Norv can do is turn a truly bad offense into a competant one that will completely fall on it's face in the 4th quarter. The first quarter and the first drive in particular is Norv's strength. He does a very good job game planning but he can't adjust to save his life (or his job). The 4th quarter will belong to your opponent. Right now as a 49er fan that may be enough considering how bad the offense was last year. He might serve as a nice bridge to your next offensive coordinator. He obviously has done a nice job with Alex Smith so far.

Now on to Mike Nolan. He inherited a pretty good Skins defense when he was here and it got worse every year. Same thing when he was with the Giants. He also managed to coach the Ravens to the only non-top 10 ranking (22nd) in the last 8 seasons. That doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach but you'll have to forgive me when I say I'll believe it when I see it.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Norv and Nolan will be gone by 2008

Why would anyone want to recreate the disaster of the 1998 Washington Redskins?

[jpyaks3]

That's the difference. Everyone knows Gibbs and Williams are very good coaches. The same can't be said for Norval and Nolan.

Norv has coached one offense since he left the Cowboys to a top 10 ranking. That was the 1999 Redskins. Norv has coached one team since he left the Cowboys to a playoff appearance. That was the 1999 Redskins. What Norv can do is turn a truly bad offense into a competant one that will completely fall on it's face in the 4th quarter. The first quarter and the first drive in particular is Norv's strength. He does a very good job game planning but he can't adjust to save his life (or his job). The 4th quarter will belong to your opponent. Right now as a 49er fan that may be enough considering how bad the offense was last year. He might serve as a nice bridge to your next offensive coordinator. He obviously has done a nice job with Alex Smith so far.

Now on to Mike Nolan. He inherited a pretty good Skins defense when he was here and it got worse every year. Same thing when he was with the Giants. He also managed to coach the Ravens to the only non-top 10 ranking (22nd) in the last 8 seasons. That doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach but you'll have to forgive me when I say I'll believe it when I see it.

Surprisingly enough Norv seems to do the exact opposite with the niners, the offense has looked mediocre at best in the first half then they play great for the second half, I am really not sure why this is but the niners have definately been a second half team on both sides of the ball. I am in no way saying your wrong about Norv's offenses, you may very well be right but so far he seems to be doing the opposite I am really not sure why.

The reason I have faith in Nolan is that his teams have never given up and continue to fight hard, he seems to be moving the team in the right direction, with great drafts; however, its gonna take some serious time to get the team back to playoff contention. This year I still think they can win 7 games, but only due to a really weak schedule.

This is the first even decent response as to why Norv and Nolan "suck" or are terrible, thank you this is a helluva lot better then TR1's constant responses that Norv and Nolan are terrible without really providing why.

[tr1]

This is the first even decent response as to why Norv and Nolan "suck" or are terrible, thank you this is a helluva lot better then TR1's constant responses that Norv and Nolan are terrible without really providing why.

Thanks for visiting jpyaks3.

Here's a why... 58-82.

+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1994 was | 3 13 0 | 0 0 |
| 1995 was | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1996 was | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |
| 1997 was | 8 7 1 | 0 0 |
| 1998 was | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1999 was | 10 6 0 | 1 1 |
| 2000 was | 7 6 0 | 0 0 |
| 2004 oak | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2005 oak | 4 12 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 58 82 1 | 1 1 |
+----------+--------------+----------+

[dinothekid]

The 9ers are a young team, you have to expect mistakes from a young team. Other that this weekend they had a chance in every other game they have played so far.

[tr1]

The 9ers are a young team, you have to expect mistakes from a young team. Other that this weekend they had a chance in every other game they have played so far.

Keep hoping...I did for over a half a dozen years...

[DWinzit]

Keep hoping...I did for over a half a dozen years...
Eventually he'll irritate their bowels. He always works his way out!:toilet:

[roanoker]

The Norv and Nolan show - basically the show we saw here...

[jpyaks3]

Thanks for visiting jpyaks3.

Here's a why... 58-82.

+--------------+----------+
| Reg. Season | Playoffs |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| Year TM | W L T | W L |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| 1994 was | 3 13 0 | 0 0 |
| 1995 was | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1996 was | 9 7 0 | 0 0 |
| 1997 was | 8 7 1 | 0 0 |
| 1998 was | 6 10 0 | 0 0 |
| 1999 was | 10 6 0 | 1 1 |
| 2000 was | 7 6 0 | 0 0 |
| 2004 oak | 5 11 0 | 0 0 |
| 2005 oak | 4 12 0 | 0 0 |
+----------+--------------+----------+
| TOTALS | 58 82 1 | 1 1 |
+----------+--------------+----------+

You wouldnt happen to be talking about Norv Turners head coaching career, because its totally different being a head coach and being an OC. Try and make a relative comparison and it will help your point more.

[Califan007]

While I have you on the line, Califan007, who are LA fans rooting for these days? Does anyone still like the Raiders?
Didn't see this until now...lol...I don't think anyone in L.A. roots for an NFL team anymore. And if they do, it's probably split between the Raiders and the Rams, with the Rams getting like 60% and the Raiders getting 40%.

[Califan007]

You wouldnt happen to be talking about Norv Turners head coaching career, because its totally different being a head coach and being an OC. Try and make a relative comparison and it will help your point more.
It's the combo of Norv/Nolan as important coaches in a franchise's operation...Norv's resume as either a head coach or an OC is depressing when you take out all the QBs he's worked with not named Aikman...and there's a reason Snyder sent Nolan a crapload of vanilla ice cream after one of his games here...lol...both have a proven history of underwhelming production and since we Skins fans had to suffer several years of that history we tend to point it out when we see it occurring over and over again elsewhere.

And please...I don't want to see anyone, anywhere, ever use Gibbs or Williams in a comparison with these two buffoons ever again. Ever.

[tr1]

Please forgive me for bumping this, but I just couldn't help myself...

[scruffylookin]

Now on to Mike Nolan. He inherited a pretty good Skins defense when he was here and it got worse every year. Same thing when he was with the Giants. He also managed to coach the Ravens to the only non-top 10 ranking (22nd) in the last 8 seasons. That doesn't mean he can't be a good head coach but you'll have to forgive me when I say I'll believe it when I see it.

Huh?

Nolan inherited an awful defense that was coming off a #28 ranking.

Then on top of that our best Dlineman decided that god was talking to him and held out for an entire season.

Nolan actually did a great job his first year here and got the Skins to a respectable 16th ranking.

It's over the next two seasons where things went south and we fell to 24th in 98 and 30th in 99 before he was canned.

I'll agree that Nolan isn't very good, but he didn't walk into a good situation here in DC.

[Seabee1973]

He's inactive with a bad pulled hammy. :idea:

Date Opp. Rec Yds Lg TD
09/17 STL 0 0 0 0
09/24 PHI 0 0 0 0
10/01 KC 0 0 0 0


Looks like we got the better end of that deal.


how do you pull a hammy not playing?

[Seabee1973]

You wouldnt happen to be talking about Norv Turners head coaching career, because its totally different being a head coach and being an OC. Try and make a relative comparison and it will help your point more.


whats so good about him being an OC? afdter getting fired from the skins he went to san diego as OC 1 season no playoffs then he went to miami had a chance to make the playoffs in both years but blew it. one seaon all he needed was a first down to run out the clock Ricky williams in the back field what does he do 3 straighht passes. aLL fell harmlessly to the ground

[jpyaks3]

5-5 and rolling. 1 game back of the division and the first 3 game win streak in a long long time. He whipped that defense into shape after the Chicago game.

[hail2skins]

After the way Snyder treated both these guys, they should send him a replica of the Lombardi trophy, with "April 2000, April 2001, April 2002, April 2003, April 2004, April 2005, April 2006 -- Dan Snyder: Offseason Champ" inscribed on it.

[jpyaks3]

tr1 what are your "many niner fans" saying now. Like I said any reasonably intelliegent person understands bad games happen, especially with a young team. Now Nolan has the team going in the right direction.

[No_Pressure]

I think the 49ers will finish 8-8 overall but thats not bad. Better than we will do probably.

[jpyaks3]

I think the 49ers will finish 8-8 overall but thats not bad. Better than we will do probably.

That was my prediction going into the season somewhere in the 7-9 8-8 range, the niners arnt a playoff team yet, but they are definately moving in that direction. Gore is unstoppable, in two games he has 380 or so yards and he missed most of the second half of the detroit game.

[prophet]

the 9ers are going to be the NFC teams to beat for the next 5 years. They are doing it right through the draft. They have a 1# draft pick QB, a RB, they will draft a good wr, and will be set.

:2cents:

[hervoicehoneyed]

tr1 what are your "many niner fans" saying now. Like I said any reasonably intelliegent person understands bad games happen, especially with a young team. Now Nolan has the team going in the right direction.

It's the suit. :)

That was a big win vs Seattle though.

[SkinsFTW]

And everybody said we got their 2 best players.

What does that say?

[tr1]

the 9ers are going to be the NFC teams to beat for the next 5 years. They are doing it right through the draft. They have a 1# draft pick QB, a RB, they will draft a good wr, and will be set.

:2cents:

Yeah, way to hang on for the win. Seattle is not last year's model.

Hey, we suffered throught the Norv years. He had the 'best' talent, he had a 'great' offensive mind, and Nolan was a defensive 'guru'.

We always looked promising, but went to the playoffs once during Norvis' tenure.

Hopefully, you'll figure it out before we didi.

[ImmortalDragon]

Hey, we suffered throught the Norv years. He had the 'best' talent, he had a 'great' offensive mind, and Nolan was a defensive 'guru'.

You can just insert the Redskins's coaches name and we've got the same story.