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DWinzit
October-5th-2006, 06:42 AM
I found this quite the interesting read. I started highlighting, but found I need to highlight all!!!

No rush to LaVar's defense By OHM YOUNGMISUK
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Joe Gibbs apologized yesterday for LaVar Arrington no longer wearing a burgundy and gold Redskins jersey.
However, according to Arrington's old position coach and a former teammate, the Giants linebacker should apologize for not knowing the Redskins' defensive system.
Redskins linebackers coach Dale Lindsey told Washington reporters that Arrington, a Pro Bowl starter from 2001-03, never had a firm grasp on the defensive schemes used by coordinator Gregg Williams.
Washington cornerback Shawn Springs defended that notion when asked if Arrington would help the Giants against the Redskins this week with his knowledge of his old team's playbook.
"I don't think LaVar knew all of our defense when he was here," Springs said.
If the Redskins are trying to get into Arrington's head for Sunday's reunion, they are doing a good job of it.
Arrington, who is expected to speak with the media today, has always been upset by the notion that he was too much of a freelancer and not enough of a system guy to fit in Williams' defense.
The second player drafted in 2000, Arrington was supposed to be the anchor of the Redskin defense. But injuries, financial disputes with the organization and conflicts with Williams and Lindsey led to Arrington's demise in Washington.

Williams never seemed to (nor cared to) be able to utilize Arrington's pass-rushing and run-stopping strengths. Arrington never seemed to be the structured and well-rounded linebacker Williams wanted him to be.

In April, Arrington signed a seven-year, $49 million contract with the Giants. Expected to bolster an already intimidating pass rush, Arrington has yet to make an impact while he tries to play within the Giants' disciplined system. Then again, nobody on the the Giants defense has played particularly well.

"I know how important it is for him," said Giants linebacker and former Redskin Antonio Pierce. "He got beat up and knocked down over there by the (Washington) media. He's done his best since he has been here. He hasn't gone over the line. He hasn't done nothing that he wasn't supposed to do. That is what we have wanted out of LaVar. A physical presence."

"I don't think people understand, we don't need him to come here and be Superman."

If the Giants want to slow down the suddenly hot Redskins (2-2), Arrington and the rest of the defense will have to stop running back Clinton Portis and wide receiver Santana Moss.

Moss played like he had a cape on his back last Sunday, flying around and dodging Jacksonville defenders. He caught four passes for 138 yards and scored three touchdowns, two coming on 55- and 68-yard catch-and-runs. After a horrendous 0-2 start in which the Redskins looked inept, Gibbs has his team on a roll again. Yesterday, Gibbs sounded like he wished Arrington was still in Washington. "I was sure sorry that it didn't work out better for LaVar here," Gibbs said. "I've thought a lot about it and I'm sure there are things that I could have done to have done a better job as a coach and keep that from happening. Because that's my job. That's what I'm supposed to do as a head coach. I'm supposed to be able to work through things like that. I think I needed to take the heat on that one."
Originally published on October 5, 2006
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/458556p-385884c.html

Jumbo
October-5th-2006, 06:58 AM
Could Pierce possibly be any more full of it? The media treated Lavar pretty damn well, hanging on his every troublesome blather. It's pleasing to think of how it must have ground on Pierce to sit at home while we advanced into the play-offs. I just hope we can make it even worse for him this year.

chaj70123
October-5th-2006, 06:59 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

SkinsHokieFan
October-5th-2006, 07:01 AM
As usual Joe Gibbs displays nothing but class

Lavar and Pierce are two of a kind, all about themselves

LiveStrongSkins
October-5th-2006, 07:13 AM
As usual Joe Gibbs displays nothing but class

Lavar and Pierce are two of a kind, all about themselves

It's ok, the defensive staff will get him... :laugh:

rictus58
October-5th-2006, 07:18 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!!

When? Did I miss something? He's shown hints at being a great player, but never for consecutive games.


Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.
Lets not get hasty here. Troy had already suffered a number of concussions prior to the last one. Lavar just put the last nail in the coffin. Let's not celebrate career ending injuries.

pointyfootball
October-5th-2006, 07:23 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

Actually Aikman has stated many times it was the looming rebuilding of the team that he didn't want to go through for the reason he retired - not injuries.

ntotoro
October-5th-2006, 07:23 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

As shell-shocked as Aikman had gotten by that point in his career, a stiff wind would have taken him out.

dockeryfan
October-5th-2006, 07:32 AM
People should look at how Gibbs took the negative potential powerkeg and by placing it on himself completely diffused the situation.

That was a very good move media wise. Plus it sends a nice message to his current players. Good motivator.

bird_1972
October-5th-2006, 07:38 AM
Man, Gibbs definitely taking the heat on this one. Good man - taking the high road. It will continue to show how lousy Arrington's attitude is when he continues to trash the Skins organization in the days leading up until the game.

:gaintsuck

kingfish50
October-5th-2006, 07:39 AM
Nothing but class shown by Joe Gibbs as usual. I'm waiting for Mr. Nickels to open his big mouth again today at his press conference. I'm sure he'll say something stupid as always and get our team fired up. Sunday will be the day that Joe Gibbs shows why we let him leave.

cyfar
October-5th-2006, 08:46 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

You man not like Aikman because he played for the Boys or for what he did against the Skins but you have to respect how good a player he was.

SonnyJ
October-5th-2006, 09:41 AM
Gibbs once again steps above the pettiness. :applause:

I just love this perpetuated myth that Lavar is a great pass rusher. He's not even particularly adept at it. Yeah, I know that he got 11 sacks in 2002, and that looks great on paper. The only one I remember is the one on Warner going against a center out playing RT.

The guy just can't shed blocks. He's also undisciplined and a threat to jump offsides at anytime. This is why Williams did not use him much as a pass rusher, and why he isn't particularly effective when doing so. Especially now that his freakish athletic ability seems to have subsided. Sure, maybe he'll get a sack on Sunday, but it'll probably be because he comes in unblocked. If someone can get a helmet on him, I don't think he'll be much of a threat.

The only season that Lavar was truly special was 2001. He wasn't a pass rusher that year, just a rover who flew around and hit anything that moved. That guy has been gone for 5 years now. Sure, he'll make a random play here and there, but he's no longer a player for which offenses really need to account.

skinstzar
October-5th-2006, 11:13 AM
As usual Joe Gibbs displays nothing but class

Lavar and Pierce are two of a kind, all about themselves


Lavar didn't say a dam word in this article yet you still include him. It is the fans that won't let this thing go that have the big problem.

SkinsGuy
October-5th-2006, 11:24 AM
I've seen several articles about Arrington this wekk, but no quotes from him... only from Pierce.

What, is Pierce Arington's spokesman now? :)

cakmoney61
October-5th-2006, 11:27 AM
Gibbs once again steps above the pettiness. :applause:

I just love this perpetuated myth that Lavar is a great pass rusher. He's not even particularly adept at it. Yeah, I know that he got 11 sacks in 2002, and that looks great on paper. The only one I remember is the one on Warner going against a center out playing RT.

The guy just can't shed blocks. He's also undisciplined and a threat to jump offsides at anytime. This is why Williams did not use him much as a pass rusher, and why he isn't particularly effective when doing so. Especially now that his freakish athletic ability seems to have subsided. Sure, maybe he'll get a sack on Sunday, but it'll probably be because he comes in unblocked. If someone can get a helmet on him, I don't think he'll be much of a threat.

The only season that Lavar was truly special was 2001. He wasn't a pass rusher that year, just a rover who flew around and hit anything that moved. That guy has been gone for 5 years now. Sure, he'll make a random play here and there, but he's no longer a player for which offenses really need to account.

Arrington making three Pro Bowls was something I never understood. He never had the football smarts to be a Pro Bowl player. He didn't read offenses well at all and he has never been strong at the point of attack. He has always been easy to block. He simply ran as fast as he could to where he thought the ball was going, and he hit the person as hard as he could when he tried to make a tackle. I was never impressed with him! It goes to show the power of hype, although he never lived up to the hype.

GhostRider
October-5th-2006, 11:58 AM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

Heh, I could never stand Lavar, there's always been a vocal minority that thought he was vastly overrated. BTW, I don't think ending someone's career is something to be proud of, even if it's a cowboy.

DWinzit
October-5th-2006, 02:46 PM
It sure seems funny how Pierce grew into a club house and field leader for the Redskins, then moved to NJ and became a loud mouthpiece.


Gibbs seems to handle issues better than most coaches!!!

D'Pablo
October-5th-2006, 04:22 PM
Heh, I could never stand Lavar, there's always been a vocal minority that thought he was vastly overrated.

I'm in that minority. In 2000, I wanted Chris Samuels, Julian Peterson, and Darren Howard. We could have had them with the picks we sent to San Francisco that year. I was one of the few that didn't think Peter Warrick and LaVar Arrington were anything special.

jsevier
October-5th-2006, 04:29 PM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

You are part of a dying breed around here. Quickly dying I might add. :laugh:

tr1
October-5th-2006, 04:43 PM
LaVar is washed up. The Giants D is a mere shadow of what it was last year.

It should be easy keeping Eli off the field.

Larry Brown #43
October-5th-2006, 08:20 PM
Lavar didn't say a dam word in this article yet you still include him. It is the fans that won't let this thing go that have the big problem.
Right...because Lavar wasn't quoted in this particular article, that means he hasn't had a habit of running his mouth in a negative way about the Skins ever since he left (and even before he left). Gotcha.

bulldog
October-5th-2006, 08:26 PM
by his last season in Washington, Arrington had become my least favorite Redskins player.

the ultimate frontrunner and showboater, Arrington was often heard on WTEM the week before games in 2002 and 2003 talking about beating the Eagles in their own house or taking it to the Cowboys, only to have him and the team not even show up competitively in those contests.

the added bickering and constant reference to his 'injury rehab' only reinforced the impression that Arrington was and is a prima donna who needs more personal attention than Ron Artest.

Califan007
October-5th-2006, 09:55 PM
People should look at how Gibbs took the negative potential powerkeg and by placing it on himself completely diffused the situation.

That was a very good move media wise. Plus it sends a nice message to his current players. Good motivator.
I agree...Gibbs never disappoints me when it comes to how he handles things in the media...his coaches and players would be wise to follow his lead all the time.

shsu1
October-7th-2006, 10:10 PM
I still like lavar.... He is a great player!!! Don't forget he ended the career of the cowboys great gay QB Troy.

2000 called, they want their play back.