Demarcus Ware vs Chris Samuels

[RiggoReincarnated]

How does this guy beat Chris Samuels one on one?

First off, Samuels owned him last year. 0 sacks. Nothing. Ware was invisible.

But this year, Samuels wasn't knocking Ware to the ground often, even though Ware is about 50 lbs lighter then him.

Why is that? Flozell Adams had no problems with Andre Carter...so why couldn't Samuels just shove Ware and knock him down easily on pass rushes?

Has Ware improved more then Samuels since last year? If so, why?

[Who Del]

Ware is way faster than Samuels. If he even beats Samuels by a few tenths of a second it's over.

[RiggoReincarnated]

Ware is way faster than Samuels. If he even beats Samuels by a few tenths of a second it's over.

He can't be so fast that Samuels can't get two hands on him and shove/direct him around the pocket can he?

Thing is, when Samuels and Ware did make contact, I didn't see Ware hitting the ground when Samuels hit him. Wonder if its just poor technique by Samuels.

[Who Del]

Ware is pretty fast for a DE/LB. One of the faster ones I've ever seen. He's going to be a very good player for years to come. Samuels is a good LT but sometimes they all get beat. Did Samuels do horribly against him this year?

[RiggoReincarnated]

Ware is pretty fast for a DE/LB. One of the faster ones I've ever seen. He's going to be a very good player for years to come. Samuels is a good LT but sometimes they all get beat. Did Samuels do horribly against him this year?

Well Ware had a sack, and would have had 2 sacks (if not a roughing the passer penalty), against us in the first game.

After holding Ware to 0 sacks in both games last year, I'd say that's a concern.

[Mr. S]

he was a rookie last year, arguably would have improved for this season. Samuels is pretty much in his prime and his hit his celing I'd say. I think it's a good ceiling based on his play the past two years, but just shows that in 3-4 seasons it seems like we'll have to re-think Samuels, as well as our whole o-line save Dockery (who we may re-think this offseason if he continues to play inconsistent).

[pointyfootball]

Ware is pretty fast for a DE/LB. One of the faster ones I've ever seen. He's going to be a very good player for years to come. Samuels is a good LT but sometimes they all get beat. Did Samuels do horribly against him this year?

Tra Thomas (won't call him william) and Runyan had difficulties with him and Ellis as well this past week. On the sack/fumble/TD play, Runyan barely touched Ellis.

[IrishOrange15]

How does this guy beat Chris Samuels one on one?

First off, Samuels owned him last year. 0 sacks. Nothing. Ware was invisible.

But this year, Samuels wasn't knocking Ware to the ground often, even though Ware is about 50 lbs lighter then him.

Why is that? Flozell Adams had no problems with Andre Carter...so why couldn't Samuels just shove Ware and knock him down easily on pass rushes?

Has Ware improved more then Samuels since last year? If so, why?

Ware has greatly improved his strength this year. He plays like almost a completely different person to the point where he's had about 6 plays this year that were "jaw-dropping" power moves.

The best example was in the Washington game with about 5:00 left in the fourth quarter. Ware came in on a power rush and with one arm, chucked Samuels a good 3 yards to the ground and then Brunnell scrambled left to avoid Ware and threw the ball away.

I'd say Ware has improved more than Samuels, which given their ages and experience should happen. Plus, Joey Porter is roughly about the same weight as Ware and he's been overpowering tackles for quite some time. So a pass rushing OLB like Ware occasionally overpowering an offensive tackle isn't anything new, especially if they use proper angles and leverage.


YAKUZA

[IrishOrange15]

Well Ware had a sack, and would have had 2 sacks (if not a roughing the passer penalty), against us in the first game.

After holding Ware to 0 sacks in both games last year, I'd say that's a concern.

That sack Ware had came against Duckett. You want to know the reason why Duckett isn't getting much playing time? Because his pass blocking is horrific.

Samuels did pretty well against Ware in the first half, but struggled against him in the second half.


YAKUZA

[Riggo#44]

That sack Ware had came against Duckett. You want to know the reason why Duckett isn't getting much playing time? Because his pass blocking is horrific.

Samuels did pretty well against Ware in the first half, but struggled against him in the second half.


YAKUZA

The game was also in Dallas - which makes a huge difference. The 2nd half was horrible for the Redskins b/c they totally abandoned the run. A mistake that won't be repeated when they come here on Nov 5. Can't wait for that game.

We get to face the Cowboys after a bye at home and they're on a short week I believe. A little scheduling break after going to face three teams coming off their bye at home (@ NYG, @ Philly and @ Indy - we kinda got whored there)

[IrishOrange15]

The game was also in Dallas - which makes a huge difference.

I think where it makes a huge difference is for Bledsoe's effectiveness, which hasn't been good on the road. I don't see much of a difference between Ware vs. opposing offenses on the road or at home. Hell, his best game was against Philly last week, on the road.


The 2nd half was horrible for the Redskins b/c they totally abandoned the run. A mistake that won't be repeated when they come here on Nov 5. Can't wait for that game.

The Skins didn't abandon the run until very late in the game. There were 2:19 left in the third quarter before Brunnell was picked off on the pass to Cooley. At that point, Dallas had 20 running attempts to Washington's 17 running attempts. And remember, Rock Cartwright already had a kickoff return for a TD, which if he doesn't return that for a TD, Washington probably rattles off at least a couple of carries making the run attempt difference between the teams practically nil.

After the interception by Roy, Dallas went right down and scored and went up 24-10. The Skins get the ball back, down 14 points with only 14:45 left in the game.

Gibbs and company had to know that Parcells' M.O. from now on was to run the clock out. And at that point, Dallas had been running the ball pretty well and taking off a good amount of time every time they possessed the ball. So the only solution for Gibbs was to start throwing the ball more in hopes to score quickly and force Dallas' hand.

Despite that, Gibbs still tried a run with Randle El on their first play. But that got stuffed for a -5 yard loss.

They then hit a short 5 yarder to Betts to make it 3rd and 10. Then Jansen had a false start making it 3rd and 15 and then Dallas got a sack from Greg Ellis and Gibbs was forced to punt the ball.

At that point, Dallas had a run attempts advantage of 22 to 18 over the Skins. Not exactly the Skins abandoning the run or at least in comparison to their opponent.

But Dallas got the ball back and took off another 4:43 before Vanderjagt made a field goal to put them up 17 points with 7:43 left in the game.

Essentially, Washington's failures in that game had nothing to do with them abandoning the run.



We get to face the Cowboys after a bye at home and they're on a short week I believe.

Yes, you are correct.

Dallas faces Houston, then the G-Men on Monday.

And yes, whomever schedule the NFC East games was a crackhead.


YAKUZA

[Riggo#44]

I think where it makes a huge difference is for Bledsoe's effectiveness, which hasn't been good on the road. I don't see much of a difference between Ware vs. opposing offenses on the road or at home. Hell, his best game was against Philly last week, on the road.

Ware and Ellis were monsters against Philly. But I believe the Skins line is better than Philly's. The Skins line is pretty dominant at home.


Essentially, Washington's failures in that game had nothing to do with them abandoning the run.

Yeah it had to do with playing without Portis, but even more than that - completely s-ing the bed!


Yes, you are correct.

Dallas faces Houston, then the G-Men on Monday.

And yes, whomever schedule the NFC East games was a crackhead.


YAKUZA

Can't wait...I'm beginning to believe the Dallas receivers are afraid to get hit as evidenced by the number of drops in the Skins game and I saw a few short arms by you-know-who in the Philly game.

[IrishOrange15]

Can't wait...I'm beginning to believe the Dallas receivers are afraid to get hit as evidenced by the number of drops in the Skins game and I saw a few short arms by you-know-who in the Philly game.

Actually I was wrong on one account. Dallas plays a Sunday night game at Carolina before the Skins game.


YAKUZA

[IrishOrange15]

Yeah it had to do with playing without Portis, but even more than that - completely s-ing the bed!

I think it had to do with the latter more than the former. Obviously, Portis is a factor, but I'm not buying into him being a 17 point factor. There were two running plays I charted where if Portis was playing he would've rattled off a bigger run than what Betts provided. But in all, Dallas took away the deep ball and forced the Skins to beat them by either running up the middle or throwing between the numbers on the field.


YAKUZA

[Alabama Man]

Tra Thomas (won't call him william) and Runyan had difficulties with him and Ellis as well this past week. On the sack/fumble/TD play, Runyan barely touched Ellis.

Greg Ellis hit on McNabb where he fumbled into the hands of Ware, was on LJ Smith. Runyan didn't really have a shot at him, because Ellis went so far wide.

The answer to the thread is Ware has improved, and Chris Samuels is over rated, if anyone considers him an elite tackle.

[Dirk Diggler]

As mentioned by a few, not all of Ware's big plays in that game came against Samuels. Some against the back - some when he was rushing from the other side of the defense. Still should be fun to watch these 2 go at it for years to come.

[Fifty Gut]

when Dallas comes to FedEx, Ware's name won't be called once

just like last year

[RiggoReincarnated]

Tra Thomas (won't call him william) and Runyan had difficulties with him and Ellis as well this past week. On the sack/fumble/TD play, Runyan barely touched Ellis.

Tra Thomas and Runyan suck though. Samuels is suppossed to be the best OT in the NFL>.

[RiggoReincarnated]

Ware has greatly improved his strength this year. He plays like almost a completely different person to the point where he's had about 6 plays this year that were "jaw-dropping" power moves.

The best example was in the Washington game with about 5:00 left in the fourth quarter. Ware came in on a power rush and with one arm, chucked Samuels a good 3 yards to the ground and then Brunnell scrambled left to avoid Ware and threw the ball away.

I'd say Ware has improved more than Samuels, which given their ages and experience should happen. Plus, Joey Porter is roughly about the same weight as Ware and he's been overpowering tackles for quite some time. So a pass rushing OLB like Ware occasionally overpowering an offensive tackle isn't anything new, especially if they use proper angles and leverage.


YAKUZA

Its physically possible to overpower someone that's over 50 lbs heavier then you in the NFL? I think of a guy 50 lbs lighter then I and I would have no problems overpowering him.

[IrishOrange15]

Its physically possible to overpower someone that's over 50 lbs heavier then you in the NFL? I think of a guy 50 lbs lighter then I and I would have no problems overpowering him.

Not if you're playing the sport of football.

For Samuels, he has to go from his stance and stand up and now his weight is more evenly spread out. But, Ware is getting a running start at Samuels. If Ware utilizes proper technique, he can overpower Samuels because he'll have leverage on him.

The key for Samuels is to utilize the proper mechanics himself and not let Ware get a good angle on him.


YAKUZA

[WeownU]

Ware will have games where he is unstoppable, then turn around and have a game where you don't even know if he played. I hate that.

[pointyfootball]

Greg Ellis hit on McNabb where he fumbled into the hands of Ware, was on LJ Smith. Runyan didn't really have a shot at him, because Ellis went so far wide.

You're probably correct - I'll use the "I was drunk" excuse. Although even drunk you'd think I would be able to tell the difference between LJ and Runyan. That just quadruples negative grade given to LJ for that play. Missed the block and performed the worst tackle ever.

[pointyfootball]

Its physically possible to overpower someone that's over 50 lbs heavier then you in the NFL? I think of a guy 50 lbs lighter then I and I would have no problems overpowering him.

Pure physics right? Leverage /speed/strenght. Not sure if it was on MNF preview, but they showed a RB (220#ish) blowing up a rushing DT (280minimum). Not a cut block but a lowering of the shoulder and knocking him over. Very impressive.

[Warhead36]

Samuels is an elite LT and Ware is an elite OLB/DE(basically a hybrid like Merriman).

There both pros. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

[pointyfootball]

Tra Thomas and Runyan suck though. Samuels is suppossed to be the best OT in the NFL>.

Are you serious or being sarcastic? I can't figure out sometimes if people are funnin' or not. I can't imagine anyone who would say he is, or is supposed to be, even top 5 LTs in the NFL.

As to Tra and Runyan "sucking", they may have lost a step or two, but Tra's been to the ProBowl and Runyan is steady, even if he's the dirtiest bastard around.

[Alabama Man]

You're probably correct - I'll use the "I was drunk" excuse. Although even drunk you'd think I would be able to tell the difference between LJ and Runyan. That just quadruples negative grade given to LJ for that play. Missed the block and performed the worst tackle ever.

It's one of those things that really doesn't mattter too much because the eagles won. But if that was turning point in the game, I'd be pissed at LJ for a piss poor block. After the fumble recovery, I seemed like it would have been a fairly difficult tackle for anyone to make. Ware took off and there was nobody near him when he got to the endzone if I recall. He was the fastest guy on the screen. So I can't blame LJ for going for the strip if that's all he thought he could do at the moment. But again, its a moot point because he never should have let it get that far.