Virginia Tech-3rd straight 10 win season, very nice (11/25/06 edit)

[SkinsHokieFan]

11/25/06 Edit

And another very successful season comes to an end.

Lets look at it guys

6 game win streak to finish the year

D allows only 29 points in those 6 games. That is less then 5 points per game

Number 1 total defense in the country for the second straight year

Branden Ore with multiple 200 yard running games

And the fun part

Starters returning

D

Chris Ells, Barry Booker, Carlton Powell, Xavier Adibi, Vince Hall, Macho Harris, DJ Parker, Brandon Flowers

And you can throw guys like Roland Minor, and Nekos Brown in there

That is 8 starters from the number 1 D in the country. Add to that guys like Kam Chancellor, John Graves, Cam Martin, Dorian Porch, and you have a national championship caliber D

On offense

Sean Glennon, Branden Ore, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan, Justin Harper, Josh Hyman, Duane Brown, Sergio Render, Ryan Shuman, Nick Marshman, Sam Wheeler, Greg Boone, Kenny Lewis Jr, George Bell, all returning, and all got significant playing time this year

Throw in guys like Zack Luckett at WR, Aaron Brown at OT, Darren Evans at RB, and Andre Smith at TE, and this offense is loaded with talent

Total starters coming back: 16, 8 on each side of the ball


To sum it up, 10-2 and a possible peach bowl and top 15 finish is not bad at all for a "rebuilding" year. If our D shows up for 10 minutes against GT, who knows we may all be packing for the ACC title game. But thats neither here nor there, what was awesome to see was the team recover from being embarrsed in beantown and turning the season completely around with the 6 game win streak

They should be proud of what they accomplished this year

This may be Beamer's best coaching job with the diapers that were on this team








11/18/06 Edit:

After whipping Wake Forest tonight in their house, I have to say reading this thread makes me laugh. Seeing how the team turned it around after the debacle at BC is absolutley terrific

Number 1 D in total yards and scoring D. Shut down 2 of the best offenses in the ACC this year, who were both rolling before facing our buzz saw, in Clemson and Wake Forest

O-line has shown significant improvement. Hesiman trophy hopeful for 2007 in our backfield in Branden Ore

8 D starters 8 O starters coming back for 2007

Nicely done Frank, this really is one of your best coaching jobs


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I put this in the BC vs VT thread, but I am starting another thread so we hokie faithful can discuss our issues in one spot for the rest of 2006

This one of those I hate being right situations. Hell I have 2 rooms at the Ritz Carlton in South Beach for the week of the Orange Bowl

The worst case scenario I saw over the meat of our schedule has come true. The o-line couldn't hold up its end, which prevents the O from keeping drives going, which keeps the D on the field longer and NOT being able to attack, which causes break downs and thusly you get a debacle

That is the simple way of looking at it. Here it is broken down

Offensive problems

The problems aren't with Stiney and the playcalling. I am not his biggest fan but Bill freakin Walsh couldn't have a competent offense with this o-line.

O-line problems

This is where an offense begins. On our O-line we have some issues, and the reason is because of 3 players. Matt Welsch, Tripp Carrol and Brandon Gore

Who you ask? Well simple, over the past 5 years these 3 guys were respectively a 4 star, 5 star and 4 star lineman. That is the foundation of an offensive line. This year they would be a R-Jr, R-Jr, and R-Sr

Problem was. All 3 were busts. Complete and utter busts. Welsch cannot crack the 2 deep, Carrol no longer plays football because of injuries and Gore is a fat tub of goo wasting space

So what happened? We have marginal players on o-line. Duane Brown at tackle, our "best" o-lineman is trying to cover up for a true freshmen in Sergio Render at guard. Danny McGrath at center is trying to cover up for Ryan Shuman at left guard. Brandon Frye is being left on an island and simply gets ZERO help from the TE's

Which brings me to the next problem. Because of the o-line busts, Duane Brown last year was forced to RT. He would have been a monster TE this year. Jon Kinzer had to quit football because of a neck injury. So now you are left with ZERO expierence at TE. And it shows


Now that we have looked at the o-line being unable to get any push or any protection we see the collapse of an O

Glennon has no time to go deep. Honestly I think he could be a pretty quality QB if he had an o-line which provided him time and gave him the cover of a run game. So thusly what do you have now? You have a D able to tee of Glennon because of no threat of a run game and you can play a zone D thusly not allowing anyone to get open

Brandon Ore is a great back. If he had any o-line he'd be a 1500 yard rusher this season. The fact that he got 70 plus yards is a miracle tonight

The WR's are going to face 2 deep coverages (which BC was doing) as well as spider web like zones the rest of the season. They are collectively a great group, but VT will always be a run first, play action pass team. Without any threat of a run, teams will tee of and pound Glennon


Which leads us to our DEFENSE

Our defense is predicated on attacking an offense. Fill the gaps, head to the QB, play on an island

Well here is where the offensive problems spill over to the D. If you are going to play an attacking D like we do, you can't be on the field very long. I will give GT credit, they played a great game and took it to our D. However BC simply kept us off balance and executed

Why could BC keep the VT D off balance? Because THEY HAD THE LEAD. Simply put, the VT D's success has been based on the fact that 90 percent of the time the past 10 years, they have played with a lead. Playing with a lead forces a team to be one dimensional. Pin your ears back and attack

You can't do that if you are trailing 13-3, or 21-0. Now the opposing O can run its game plan the way they want to, and simply dink and dunk and wear out an agressive D

Props to BC for doing that. BC executed a terrific game plan on O, make no mistakes, run the ball, and take some shots. Bravo to BC


Special teams

The "X" factor in the Beamer era is simply not there. A blocked punt in the 2nd quarter would have been huge. Instead we are losing the field position game

The offense the past 2 games has started in awful places. Near the endzone. Unable to execute because of the problems I outlined above, the D is put in a bad spot because the opposing O has great field position

We start near our endzone, the opposing team starts at midfield. You are not going to win many games that way


Play and discipline

I'll be honest, I didn't mind the fire Vince Hall had on the sideline with Aaron Rouse. That shows he cares, and that he has some fire and the guys want to win. I'll respectfully disagree with Kirk about individualism, this team got beat, and these guys care too damn much

The personal fouls by Chris Ellis? Pathetic Chris pathetic. Your ass should be benched for the rest of the year for the garbage. I could care less about facemasks because those things do happen, but hitting a guy from behind late? What the hell?

And Brendan Hill? You have been beaten like a drum on boot legs all game long and you are DANCING? Pathetic


What next?

Well as I outlined in a thread a few weeks ago, this team could go 1-4 through the 5 game tough stretch or undefeated. Clearly this team is NOT ready for the big boys. A win against Southern Miss will be nice, because we simply out talent them. Clemson will come into our house and beat us, because they have a damn good team. Lucky for Hokie fans, Miami might be in just as much dissary as we are, and we could have a chance to take that game

Long term?

Thank god for this past year's recruiting class and the class of 2007 coming in. Beamer clearly took the strategy of hedging his bets and is bringing in several o-lineman. You can look to 2008-2012 to be some stellar years, because of the focus on bringing in quality and quantity at o-line.

I thought the 2007 team could be a national title contender, but we will quickly find out in Baton Rouge early next year that our o-line play will NOT win games against the big boys. And no disrespect to BC, but you all are not big boys

No the sky is not falling. This team simply lost too much talent and too much leadership from the 2004 and 2005 squads. I thought Aaron Rouse could step it up, but he clearly hasn't I thought Macho and Flowers would provide a stellar secondary, but they haven't. I thought our o-line would look much better by the time we faced BC, but it hasn't gelled

This team will finish 8-4, and if we get real lucky, maybe 9-3 with a win against the U. Hopefully by the time we play Miami, we see a team on the upswing

[Hokie_Skinz]

You nailed it...NAILED IT. I said to my friends after Northeastern our O Line was the Achilles heel of the team. They are the reason why we will be mediocre. 8-4 is still too opportunistic I believe. 7-5

[DarthSidious]

I don't care what kind of good classes we are getting for upcoming seasons. If Stinespring is still our OC, you can pretty much be assured that we will lose at least one game due to his playcalling. As I pointed out in another thread, we were only down 7-3 at halftime. Previous Tech teams and even the game against CIncy this year coming out of halftime, we would try to establish the run. I did not see that. Instead, I saw your typical Stinespring offensive playcalling. Predictable, unimaginative, and INEPT. Flanker screens? COME ON! :doh:

And therein lies the problem, Stinespring knows he has Beamer's loyalty. The only time he didn't was back in 2004 when he was on the hotseat after the 03 debacle. And guess what, he actually called sound gameplans for the most part during that season which lead to an ACC Championship! After tonight's debacle, I truly know believe that this program will never win the National championship. Sure, we will win some conference titles but I highly doubt we will win the MNC. I have thought about this since Mandal put up that blog post about the equilibrium in college football. The top dogs (OSU, USC, Miami) are usually consistent and have runs as the top dog with some off years. Teams like Temple, etc are usually in the bottom rung of the latter and stay that way for the most part. As for us, VT is just above the middle part of that ladder, but I truly doubt we will ever ascend to the top and become an ELITE program. Especially after what garbage I've seen this season and how last season was wasted. :2cents:

[DarthSidious]

I also like to say that I'm tired of Victor Harris having that stupid nickname of Macho. He has done nothing to prove himself. So far, he has gotten burn in our two real games for TDs. The fact that people and the media keep referring to it just pisses me off even more b/c it has contributed to that individualistic attitude that is seething its way back into the program.

And Randy Newsome needs to get on the ball with our OLINE. For a supposed OLINE coaching genius, he has done nothing to prove that. The OLINE has regressed each game. Saying the players are mediocre won't help because Joe Bugel turned Dockery into a decent offensive lineman. The lack of technique and sound blocking principles our OLINE has is astounishing to say the least.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I don't care what kind of good classes we are getting for upcoming seasons. If Stinespring is still our OC, you can pretty much be assured that we will lose at least one game due to his playcalling. As I pointed out in another thread, we were only down 7-3 at halftime. Previous Tech teams and even the game against CIncy this year coming out of halftime, we would try to establish the run. I did not see that. Instead, I saw your typical Stinespring offensive playcalling. Predictable, unimaginative, and INEPT. Flanker screens? COME ON! :doh:


Did you see the push we got on consecutive 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1? This o-line got ZERO push and could NOT gain a yard. I do not care if you have Vince Lombardi calling the plays, if your offensive line cannot get a single yard 2 plays in a row, you will not win football games

How do you establish the run that way? HOW?

The flanker screens were the only shot to get any sort of passing game going. Anytime there was a 7 step drop to go deep, Glennon was pounded. Why? The offensive line cannot block for 3 seconds, and teams can play a zone. Not enough time for our WR's to get open.


And therein lies the problem, Stinespring knows he has Beamer's loyalty. The only time he didn't was back in 2004 when he was on the hotseat after the 03 debacle. And guess what, he actually called sound gameplans for the most part during that season which lead to an ACC Championship! After tonight's debacle,

If you recall, it wasn't the O that blew it in 2003, it was the D. Bud tweaked the scheme and you saw a dominant D in 2004 and 2005. We scored LOTS of points in 2003. The poor game plans the last 2 years were against Miami and FSU, both on nights where those teams played up to their potential.

Beamer said a quote after the game tonight "we do not have the personell to run a drop back scheme" I would not be surprised to see us bring in Ike and try and run a spread option

[Hokie_Skinz]

Beamer said a quote after the game tonight "we do not have the personell to run a drop back scheme" I would not be surprised to see us bring in Ike and try and run a spread option
As much as I love Glennon (Who's been screwed by the O-Line) I am about ready to see if Ike can do anything different to help the team. It has got to the point that something new is what we need to kick the team in the butt to get them going. I hate to say it, but Glennon might be that Grant Noel type player, he has the potential...he just can't get it all together on the field. He is a great role model and leader, but not the leading QB.

[DarthSidious]

Did you see the push we got on consecutive 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1? This o-line got ZERO push and could NOT gain a yard. I do not care if you have Vince Lombardi calling the plays, if your offensive line cannot get a single yard 2 plays in a row, you will not win football games

How do you establish the run that way? HOW?

The flanker screens were the only shot to get any sort of passing game going. Anytime there was a 7 step drop to go deep, Glennon was pounded. Why? The offensive line cannot block for 3 seconds, and teams can play a zone. Not enough time for our WR's to get open.



If you recall, it wasn't the O that blew it in 2003, it was the D. Bud tweaked the scheme and you saw a dominant D in 2004 and 2005. We scored LOTS of points in 2003. The poor game plans the last 2 years were against Miami and FSU, both on nights where those teams played up to their potential.

Beamer said a quote after the game tonight "we do not have the personell to run a drop back scheme" I would not be surprised to see us bring in Ike and try and run a spread option

If a team can't get a single yard, then that's on the coaching staff along with the players. Lack of push is b/c of lack of solid coaching at that position. We have never had great olines but I do know that the past Olines we had would maul opposing defenses by creating holes for running backs to get the yards. Defenses that usually were top notch or bigger.

As for 03, our O failed just as bad as our D that year. Look at the WVU game that year when Stinespring didn't even bother calling Kevin Jones number. He had what, 12 carries that game? But hey, keep coming up with excuses while the program and fans are getting fleeced.

[SkinsHokieFan]

As much as I love Glennon (Who's been screwed by the O-Line) I am about ready to see if Ike can do anything different to help the team. It has got to the point that something new is what we need to kick the team in the butt to get them going. I hate to say it, but Glennon might be that Grant Noel type player, he has the potential...he just can't get it all together on the field. He is a great role model and leader, but not the leading QB.


I'll say this. SG has far more talent then Grant Noel. If SG had Grant Noel's o-line, we aren't having this converstation tonight

Unfourtantley we cannot execute a drop back QB style of play. Beamer saw that tonight and reflected it in his post game comments

Gotta bring Ike in because he brings a different dimension. He can make people miss, run, pick up a few first downs and keep our D off the field and fresh

I think SG can be a terrific QB, but with his skill set, he needs an o-line. Ike may manage to steal us some first downs

[SkinsHokieFan]

If a team can't get a single yard, then that's on the coaching staff along with the players. Lack of push is b/c of lack of solid coaching at that position. We have never had great olines but I do know that the past Olines we had would maul opposing defenses by creating holes for running backs to get the yards. Defenses that usually were top notch or bigger. But hey, keep coming up with excuses while the program and fans are getting fleeced.


A lack of talent is no excuse. It is what it is

Ironically my friend, this is the first year your favorite whipping boy Stiney is NOT o-line coach since the late 1990s. And this is our worst o-line in over a decade

Recruiting busts, guys moving over to the D, and a lack of talent and expierence have led to this debalce

[Hokie_Skinz]

Curt Newsome is the O-Line Coach...But Stinespring is still awful. He needs to go. We need a little imagination at OC. Starting halfway through the 3rd I was calling the plays. Thats sad.

[DarthSidious]

I never said anything about Stiney being Oline coach. I was just talking about his offensive playcalling which is OFFENSIVE to me or anyone that has watched football.

And what is Ike going to do? Outside of starting another QB controversy like in 03 (with Randall and Marcus) which hurt us during the game. From what I've read, Ike still does not have a gasp of the playbook and reading defenses. Sure he can move, but it won't matter much anyhow since the OLINE cant block jack.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I never said anything about Stiney being Oline coach. I was just talking about his offensive playcalling which is OFFENSIVE to me or anyone that has watched football.

You are sounding like our old comprade Mass Skins Fan there buddy

Like I said, with this o-line, you aren't gonna get much. And when you see a team that can't execute a simple 3rd and 1 dive, you know the problems are far more then just what plays are being called

Lets see what rolls out against Southern Miss. There needs to be some serious revamping, because this O will not succeed. Gotta go with some sort of spread, use Ike's athleticsm and force D's to play assignment football and not tee off against us

[Hokie_Skinz]

Well after a night to calm down I am still just as disgusted. SHF has nailed it completely. The O-line is the weakness. Their inability to provide a push/protection is keeping the offense too inefficient. This in turn is keeping the team behind. The D has to be on its heels all game.

There seem to be other issues as well, discipline being the first. It almost seems like Beamer is losing control. It hurts to watch this year, but let's see what they can do against So Miss.

[canethang 305]

Man, you guy's are pissed, but I don't blame ya'.

Now the question I pose is this, Tech fan's do you feel your worse than the U is this year and 'Canes fan's do you feel we're worse than Tech this year? What the hell has happenned to both of our schools, come next poll neither Miami or Tech will be ranked, how long has it been since this was the case?

Do I hear a request for firebeamer.com?

[DarthSidious]

Man, you guy's are pissed, but I don't blame ya'.

Now the question I pose is this, Tech fan's do you feel your worse than the U is this year and 'Canes fan's do you feel we're worse than Tech this year? What the hell has happenned to both of our schools, come next poll neither Miami or Tech will be ranked, how long has it been since this was the case?

Do I hear a request for firebeamer.com?

As a Tech fan and alum, I do feel worse than the U this year. Not because of the likelihood of the Canes beating us in November, but because this VT team is atrocious. This is not a Frank Beamer team. I believe most of us believe this team was just going to win 8 games, maybe 9 due to the inexperience, and breaking in a new QB.

But after yesterday, I think all of us are disgusted. It's one thing to lose, but its another to lose in a manner like we did yesterday. (i.e. cheap shots, dancing while down 20-3, pointing fingers, etc.)

As for firebeamer.com, I don't think firing Beamer would do anything. It certainty won't happen because Beamer is an institution down there due to him building up the program, etc. And if somehow he did get fired, who could replace him? Would a top tier coach come to Bburg? I doubt it. We can't even field top assistants to fix the holes. But if things continue the way they have, well, we will have a situation similiar to what happened after the 03 season in which Stinespring, etc were definately on the hotseat.

As I stated earlier, Beamer needs to take the reigns back and instill his will back into the program (like he did before the 2004 season with the threat that if any player did anything to embarass the program that they would be kicked off the team). We have too many ME-First players who have created distractions. Obviously running at 6AM and taking away bowl per diem doesn't affect these players. The only thing that will is taking away their playing time. Let them watch and suffer on the sideline. I don't care if it costs us some games. Doing that will show these players that if they pull that crap, they will not play. That's the only message they will understand.

[canethang 305]

WoW, I feel the same way about my team except the me-1st thing, we need a me-1st guy like a Portis, Andre Johnson, K2 to help us get our swagger back.

I agree you guy's definitely don't need to start the fire beamer bandwagon up, he IS Tech and I only wish we had a longterm Head Coach, I'd settle for assistants but Coker ran 'em all off.

[DarthSidious]

You are sounding like our old comprade Mass Skins Fan there buddy

Like I said, with this o-line, you aren't gonna get much. And when you see a team that can't execute a simple 3rd and 1 dive, you know the problems are far more then just what plays are being called

Lets see what rolls out against Southern Miss. There needs to be some serious revamping, because this O will not succeed. Gotta go with some sort of spread, use Ike's athleticsm and force D's to play assignment football and not tee off against us

And here is the reason I will rip Stinespring till I turn blue: Why is VT running guts with the weakest part of our oline (the interior line) against BC's strength on defense which is their interior line (i.e. DTs and LBs)? Why not call a play action pass on that 3rd and 1 and attack their secondary? Or why not call misdirections plays to offset their strength on defense? It's a damn sad day when fans themselves can predict what play is going to be run next and be right and when they can come up with better gameplans (i.e. your spread offense utilizing Ike) than our supposed OC who is getting paid a lot of money to do that. :doh:

What frustrates me the most is the fact that he doesn't even bother making adjustments. Instead of changing the gameplan to attack the weakness of the opposing team, he sticks with his gameplan the whole game regardless if it works or not. Hell, I could call better plays using table football than that clown can in our games!

[canethang 305]

For Tech fan's you guy's are pretty insightful! Just ribbin', you can never undervalue the importance of the O-Line and the coach. We are horrible at o-line and guess what Larry fired Art Kehoe one of the best o-line coaches in college ball. We got sacked a lot last year but I blame that on Wright holding the ball for 10 seconds.

I remember looking forward to one of the best games of the year with you guy's now it's the PNC pathetic bowl.

[DarthSidious]

For Tech fan's you guy's are pretty insightful! Just ribbin', you can never undervalue the importance of the O-Line and the coach. We are horrible at o-line and guess what Larry fired Art Kehoe one of the best o-line coaches in college ball. We got sacked a lot last year but I blame that on Wright holding the ball for 10 seconds.

I remember looking forward to one of the best games of the year with you guy's now it's the PNC pathetic bowl.

At this rate, I guess the Miami/VT game will be on ESPNU or god forbid, ESPN360. :doh:

[canethang 305]

At this rate, I guess the Miami/VT game will be on ESPNU or god forbid, ESPN360. :doh:

Remeber the Glory day's Darth? We had regular coverage on ESPN, Skycam on ESPNU, and this year we would have had the 8 different views on ESPN2. I can see it now sitting in front of my CPU to watch the 'Canes, oh how the mighty have fallen.

[rincewind]

Remeber the Glory day's Darth? We had regular coverage on ESPN, Skycam on ESPNU, and this year we would have had the 8 different views on ESPN2. I can see it now sitting in front of my CPU to watch the 'Canes, oh how the mighty have fallen.



Instead they'll show a game from the Big East. Rutgers vs. Louisville anyone? :laugh:

[DarthSidious]

WoW, I feel the same way about my team except the me-1st thing, we need a me-1st guy like a Portis, Andre Johnson, K2 to help us get our swagger back.

I agree you guy's definitely don't need to start the fire beamer bandwagon up, he IS Tech and I only wish we had a longterm Head Coach, I'd settle for assistants but Coker ran 'em all off.

Well, when I mean ME-FIRST, I mean doing stupid things like dancing when you are down, or committing stupid penalites after making a big stop. The guys you listed on the other hand had passion, so in essense, they were somewhat team oriented.

[canethang 305]

Well, when I mean ME-FIRST, I mean doing stupid things like dancing when you are down, or committing stupid penalites after making a big stop. The guys you listed on the other hand had passion, so in essense, they were somewhat team oriented.

Yeah your right, well maybe not "The Soldier", dancing while getting your butt spanked is not cool.

You know for someone (me) who thought they knew college football, I really thought we'd both be having our usual November battle for the defacto league title, what about you?

[DarthSidious]

Yeah your right, well maybe not "The Soldier", dancing while getting your butt spanked is not cool.

You know for someone (me) who thought they knew college football, I really thought we'd both be having our usual November battle for the defacto league title, what about you?

I figured VT would compete for the Coastal Division and possibly the ACC title b/c I really felt the ACC was wide open since FSU and Miami haven't been their usual selves. I figured this even with a new QB and a makeshift oline. Boy, was I wrong. :doh:

[Hokie_Skinz]

I figured VT would compete for the Coastal Division and possibly the ACC title b/c I really felt the ACC was wide open since FSU and Miami haven't been their usual selves. I figured this even with a new QB and a makeshift oline. Boy, was I wrong. :doh:
I did too, Until the Cinci game. After that I knew it was not going to be a good year. Oh well, today is now designated "Drink away your hokie woes day"

Canethang...hopefully you guys won't have to designate Sunday a drink away your canes woes day...and I hope none of us have to drown our sorrows come monday...

[canethang 305]

I did too, Until the Cinci game. After that I knew it was not going to be a good year. Oh well, today is now designated "Drink away your hokie woes day"

Canethang...hopefully you guys won't have to designate Sunday a drink away your canes woes day...and I hope none of us have to drown our sorrows come monday...

Well if Monday becomes a drink away my woes day than both of my teams will be officially pathetic!

[Richmond Redskin]

I don't care what kind of good classes we are getting for upcoming seasons. If Stinespring is still our OC, you can pretty much be assured that we will lose at least one game due to his playcalling. As I pointed out in another thread, we were only down 7-3 at halftime. Previous Tech teams and even the game against CIncy this year coming out of halftime, we would try to establish the run. I did not see that. Instead, I saw your typical Stinespring offensive playcalling. Predictable, unimaginative, and INEPT. Flanker screens? COME ON! :doh:

I'm with you and SHF. If we had anyone but Stinespring and a half way decent O-line then we would be having a great year. These little WR Screens are such crap. They work for us mayble for one or two first downs a game but they are oh so predictable. Matter of fact all of Stinespring's offense is predictable. God I hate his Vanilla work. I miss the pre-Vick years with Deshazo, Druckenmiller, Al Clark, Shrone Stith, Ken Oxendine, Dwayne Thomas and Crew. We didn't have to worry about too many attitudes not mixing back then. Can we please kick Chris Ellis off the team. He is such a cancer to the squad.

I'm upset that we are losing but I'm very bitter on how we are losing. We have not put ourselves in position to win against any decent talent this year. They better wake up before the clemson game.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yee haw

Looks like Ike will get some playing time this week according to Tucker's blog

Good stuff here

http://home.hamptonroads.com/blog/index.cfm?uid=82

[TheJoe1013]

I hear Beamer also dismissed two d-lineman this week, but I can't confirm it anywhere which is odd. Did he reach his breaking point? You know some people can only deal with so much crap before the snap. Maybe Beamer has had it with all these shenanigans.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I hear Beamer also dismissed two d-lineman this week, but I can't confirm it anywhere which is odd. Did he reach his breaking point? You know some people can only deal with so much crap before the snap. Maybe Beamer has had it with all these shenanigans.


Yup, a bunch of dissmals, the biggest one being r-FR DE William Wall, who was going to be an absolute BEAST

Its too bad double W couldn't keep his head on straight

[Hokie_Skinz]

It was in the student newspaper that Aaron Rouse will not be playing for the So. Miss game. There was a death in his family. Sorry I can't provide a link, it was in the side bar of the paper so it is not posted on their website.

[SkinsHokieFan]

It was in the student newspaper that Aaron Rouse will not be playing for the So. Miss game. There was a death in his family. Sorry I can't provide a link, it was in the side bar of the paper so it is not posted on their website.


Yea his grandfather died last week, and apparently he has been running with the 2nd team in practice this week. Cary Wade will get the start at rover

[atloldskin]

A very nice post!

The OL is our biggest problem. It simply stinks! A weak, WV like schedule will allow this team to win 8 games.

Glennon is not athletic enough to make the weak OL stand up. Vick would have made the OL look better.

After that, we have no push on the DL and our special team play has not been special. This team is really built for next year, but our schedule is major league in 2007.

[SkinsHokieFan]

After that, we have no push on the DL and our special team play has not been special. This team is really built for next year, but our schedule is major league in 2007.


Oh yeah, we are playing a big boy schedule next year

At LSU, home to Miami and FSU, who always have talent, and in conference games against BC, GT and at Clemson

Is this team ready for a big boy schedule? I think so, but I am not as sure now as I was before 2006.

[skinshooligan]

Frank Beamer is going to have a big qb controversy when the new commit tayrod taylor joins the team next year. He already has one now. what is he going to do them redshirt Taylor.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Frank Beamer is going to have a big qb controversy when the new commit tayrod taylor joins the team next year. He already has one now. what is he going to do them redshirt Taylor.


Tyrod will be redshirted, thats the SOP in Blacksburg

Michael Vick as a true freshmen was the best QB on the roster and probably could have led VT to an undefeated 1998 season, but Beamer redshirted him

[skinshooligan]

If no juniors go to the draft and Glennon gets better next year virginia tech could be in a championship contention.

[SkinsHokieFan]

If no juniors go to the draft and Glennon gets better next year virginia tech could be in a championship contention.


Absolutley. However there remains a long way to go, there definitley is the talent and potential, will they come together by then and be ready for LSU on 9/8/2007?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well tonight was a significant improvement and a nice 36-6 win over a team whom we should stuff by a score of 36-6

Offense took its shots with the play action pass which worked well on the first play of the game and the Josh Morgan TD

Using Ike in some situations. I liked the change of pace even though it didn't do much. But Clemson is going to have to spend time this week preparing for Ike. The kid can move at QB and adds another element that Glennon simply can't. Glennon looked fine, got rid of the ball quick, its probably not best to roll him out to the opposite hand that he throws with, but overall not bad and I liked that we took deep shots today

Run Ore run Ore run Ore. The kid IS Clinton Porits, his vision and moves are absolutley amazing. It is a serious shame the o-line is not better or else he would be on his way to a 2,000 yard season

207 yards on 23 carries, NICE. The 70 yarder he had was exactly like CP's first carry as a Redskins, how he saw the hole to the right is unbelievable

The D. Pressure from the front 4, exactly what I like to see. Stifled the Southern Miss O and took care of business, never let them get started

And my player of the game besides Brandon Ore. Nic Schmidt. The kid pinned Southern Miss deep every single time he punted the ball

Overall an effort that was expected against a weak opponent. Run over them, stuff them, and take care of business

[SkinsHokieFan]

Looking ahead to Clemson

Wow did they look nice tonight. I can only hope they shot their wad and on a short week coming to Blacksburg for a Thursday night tilt, we can take it to them

It'll take everyone on this team playing his best game of the season. I think though the Ike element, plus the fact Bud was really blitzing the D tonight will give Clemson a few more things to think about

It is going to take a HUGE special teams play to win this game, because Clemson is just rolling coming into Blacksburg

[skinshooligan]

Clemsons passing game wasnt too amazing. They need to stop Davis and Spiller, and also protect Glennon and Ike. The Hokies could surprise them.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Clemsons passing game wasnt too amazing. They need to stop Davis and Spiller, and also protect Glennon and Ike. The Hokies could surprise them.

This is definitley a game that VT can win

However in order to win this will have to be the best game we play this year. Clemson is absolutley rolling coming in

I like the fact it is a short week and Clemson has to come to Blacksburg. I like the new wrinkle of Ike being in there, and if we can give Brandon Ore the holes he got tonight, he'll put on a show

[Hokie_Skinz]

I dunno. Ike adds a new dimension with the wheels, but I still think Glennon is the best QB on the roster. Ike under throws a lot of passes, but he makes up for it on shear athletic ability (a 3rd and 9 run to convert quickly comes to mind). I think Glennon should remain the starter with Ike in there to change things up a bit.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Bumping this back up :)

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Vt is a joke this year!! And everyone with a brain knows it.

[DCSaints_fan]

I had this one pegged as 3-4 loss season, because I thought that Glennon couldn't be consistent enough to win the big ones. Luckily Miami turned into a doormat this year and our defense stepped it up when necessary.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I had this one pegged as 3-4 loss season, because I thought that Glennon couldn't be consistent enough to win the big ones. Luckily Miami turned into a doormat this year and our defense stepped it up when necessary.


I give credit to 2 things

Branden Ore turning into an absolute monster, and doing it behind a subpar O-line

And the D stepping up even better then I thought they would. I knew our D would be very good, but number 1 in scoring and number in total yards? Wow

A damn good coaching job by Bud and Frank

[B.Lloyd]

Amazing that we are ending this on a high note when it looked as if this season was going downhill. There's a lot to look forward to. We have Tyrod Taylor coming in who will undoubtedly be better then Glennon. Better arm, mobility, accuracy, this kid is gonna be something special. We have a team built for the NC next year.

[jbooma]

I hate to break it to all the Hokie/Chokie fans here but if you can not win the ACC a year when it stinks like it does then you may never win it again. Do you honestly think Miami and Florida St will be this bad in the future :laugh:

This was the year the ACC was ripe for the taking, and you lose twice, and a big game at home :doh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

I hate to break it to all the Hokie/Chokie fans here but if you can not win the ACC a year when it stinks like it does then you may never win it again. Do you honestly think Miami and Florida St will be this bad in the future :laugh:

This was the year the ACC was ripe for the taking, and you lose twice, and a big game at home :doh:


Actually, most of us from the start of the season knew this team wasn't going to be a great team. I predicted 9-3 with a 2nd place finish in the division

VT was a team with some serious serious flaws, bad o-line, new QB, young secondary, no real offensive threats except Branden Ore, and is still going to win 10 games for the 3rd straight year, including a win against Clemson when they were rolling and Wake Forest when they were rolling.

I look forward to what next year brings with 16 starters returning, an improved o-line, and lots more depth with the class that was redshirted this year and last year stepping into bigger roles

[SkinsHokieFan]

Amazing that we are ending this on a high note when it looked as if this season was going downhill. There's a lot to look forward to. We have Tyrod Taylor coming in who will undoubtedly be better then Glennon. Better arm, mobility, accuracy, this kid is gonna be something special. We have a team built for the NC next year.


I would say this is a top 10 team. Depending on how FSU and Miami respond (me thinks they will both be much better) and how we do at LSU, then I'll MNC again

Top 10 team, ACC title contender for sure in 2007

[jbooma]

Actually, most of us from the start of the season knew this team wasn't going to be a great team. I predicted 9-3 with a 2nd place finish in the division

VT was a team with some serious serious flaws, bad o-line, new QB, young secondary, no real offensive threats except Branden Ore, and is still going to win 10 games for the 3rd straight year, including a win against Clemson when they were rolling and Wake Forest when they were rolling.

I look forward to what next year brings with 16 starters returning, an improved o-line, and lots more depth with the class that was redshirted this year and last year stepping into bigger roles

Don't get me wrong I agree next year will be better, but you have to think that the ACC will be as well.

[PleaseBlitz]

I would say this is a top 10 team. Depending on how FSU and Miami respond (me thinks they will both be much better) and how we do at LSU, then I'll MNC again

Top 10 team, ACC title contender for sure in 2007


Did ya hear who is at the top of Miami's coaching wishlist?????

[Richmond Redskin]

Man, you guy's are pissed, but I don't blame ya'.

Now the question I pose is this, Tech fan's do you feel your worse than the U is this year and 'Canes fan's do you feel we're worse than Tech this year? What the hell has happenned to both of our schools, come next poll neither Miami or Tech will be ranked, how long has it been since this was the case?

Do I hear a request for firebeamer.com?

Silly Hurricanes. Good luck being bowl eligible!! :laugh: :laugh:

[jbooma]

Did ya hear who is at the top of Miami's coaching wishlist?????


Spurrier said no :)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Did ya hear who is at the top of Miami's coaching wishlist?????


It would be great if SOS went to Miami. It would definitley make things very interesting having Spurrier, Butch Davis, and Frank Beamer in the same conference

Personally, I love it when Miami is top dog. Makes the rivalry that much better when it is number 2 vs number 5, rather this years unranked snooze fest

[SkinsHokieFan]

17-0 win over the zima drinking boo hoos

10-2, 3rd straight 10 win season

Very nice

[jbooma]

17-0 win over the zima drinking boo hoos

10-2, 3rd straight 10 win season

Very nice

they had the potential to make some noise this year with the down ACC, but didn't

[SkinsHokieFan]

they had the potential to make some noise this year with the down ACC, but didn't


Eh I suppose if EVERYTHING went right

Way too young on both lines, especially the o-line

Lost too many leaders like Tapp, Lewis, Jeff King, Cedric Humes

New QB breaking in, new starting running running back, 3 freshmen TE's

There was potential sure, but if it had happened Beamer should have been national coach of the year

[hokie4redskins]

they had the potential to make some noise this year with the down ACC, but didn't


True, but can't win the conference every year. Shows something of the depth.

Who's your team booma? You're enjoying this way too much. Kicking dirt on a 10-2 team? Gimme a break.

[StuckinIA]

17-0 win over the zima drinking boo hoos

10-2, 3rd straight 10 win season

Very nice

It would have been at least 31-0 if Beamer did not decide to basically take a knee midway through the 3rd.

Too bad Pace's streak ended.

Shaddup WVA folk. Guess what? Best case scenario for yall is the same record as Tech...10-2. Only comparison in schedules is because they both suck. I hope we don't play in a bowl game because it will be better discussion when Tech wins and WVA loses.
Besides, I would not want to hear about it if a "MNC-calibre WVA team" beat an "at-best 4-loss over-achieving, rebuilding VT team" in a bowl game. It'll just lead to more pointless bickering.

[Richmond Redskin]

It would have been at least 31-0 if Beamer did not decide to basically take a knee midway through the 3rd.

Too bad Pace's streak ended.

Shaddup WVA folk. Guess what? Best case scenario for yall is the same record as Tech...10-2. Only comparison in schedules is because they both suck. I hope we don't play in a bowl game because it will be better discussion when Tech wins and WVA loses.
Besides, I would not want to hear about it if a "MNC-calibre WVA team" beat an "at-best 4-loss over-achieving, rebuilding VT team" in a bowl game. It'll just lead to more pointless bickering.

We know you mean WVU so we should leave it at that.