It's funny just how easy it is to blame this all on Brunell

[HOOS4SKINS]

Don't get me wrong Brunell isn't the best answer but he isn't the main reason why we are going to be 2-5. Al Saunders is the main reason why are team is pathetic. Yes, his play calling is frustrating and I don't understand why we only run the ball 15 times when we have CLINTON FRICKING PORTIS! I also don't understand why we throw dink and dunks with wideouts like MOSS, RANDLE EL & LLOYD! (and you can't blame that on Brunell, like Portis said it's hard for Brunell to throw the deep ball when it's not being called!) But all of that is secondary. The MAIN reason about Saunders is he was TOO MUCH! Why fix something that wasn't broken? We were 11th last year on offense. All we needed was a wideout or two. It's sad we have such an explosive offense yet can't score more than 1 offensive TD unless we play Houston. The defense has been a complete dissappointment, but I think we would still be in the hunt if this offense could do more than 3 & out all the time. What a waste, again Snyder proves that our Super Bowl is in the offseason.

[carter23]

is it his playcalling or is it because brunell can't do the things needed in an al saunders offense? Also, brunell checks down on 99% of pass plays, so we don't really even know what saunders is calling

[footballhenry]

It's mostly Brunell...he can't throw downfield, he hardly ever even LOOKS downfield

[Sekhmet187]

So its Saunders fault all of a sudden that Mark Brunell INSTANTLY checks down to the RB or short route the second he sees the defense?

[[[ghost]]]

I agree. Although I can confidentally say that Brunell is NOT the reason we lost, I can also say that Brunell has never been teh reason why we have won.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

portis doesnt get carries because he's getting oxygen on the sidelines and he's getting hurt every other play now. Maybe WATCH the games before you criticze the lack of runs.

[macdaddychurch]

Brunell is too scared to stand in the pocket and wait for the someone to get open downfield....so he takes the easy way out and takes the 4 yards from the first down route. He IS the main reason why we arent' doing anything....look at Philly...They have a bunch of rag tag WR's and Donovan still manages to throw 3-4 TDs a game....it's because he's a great QB and Brunell sucks.........just face it!

[NightRanger]

2 and 9...throw for 2 yds. 3rd and 7...throw for 2 more yds. Pretty much sums it up.:point2sky

[NoDQForums]

I blame our losses on our just absolutely horrible defensive play. Brunell's play has been average but it is a typical fan & team nature to blame the qb for their problems. So what happens when JC goes in? Well if our offensive line continues to play horrible, then I begin to fear for a Patrick Ramsey repeat.

[BraveWarrior]

There's a lot going wrong with the team now, but Brunell is not the right QB to run Saunders' offense. Brunell was best in his earlier years when he could scramble and when he could get the ball down the field. He can't really do either of those things well anymore.

[Destino]

portis doesnt get carries because he's getting oxygen on the sidelines and he's getting hurt every other play now. Maybe WATCH the games before you criticze the lack of runs.
Not too mention you can't keep running the ball when you they are stopping the run. If you watched the game today you know the running game was up and down.

[just skins baby]

Brunell didn't let Indy score 36 points on him. Granted he only got us 7 himself.


This world class defense has lost it's direction.

[Aluadan]

How is it Al Saunders fault that Brunell can't execute the plays? Add to that it's up to Gibbs that won't bench him and be done with it, what's Saunders to do?

[jnhay]

It's not all Brunell's fault, but we need to start Campbell for the rest of the season.

[DieselPwr44]

I blame our losses on our just absolutely horrible defensive play. Brunell's play has been average but it is a typical fan & team nature to blame the qb for their problems. So what happens when JC goes in? Well if our offensive line continues to play horrible, then I begin to fear for a Patrick Ramsey repeat.
Yet another person who doesn't watch the game.

It's 3rd and 9. Does Mark step up into the pocket and throw to the sticks??

NO...throws the checkdown(4 yds) every time.

How's that the defenses fault?

[redskin81]

It's mostly Brunell...he can't throw downfield, he hardly ever even LOOKS downfield

You have to check down when your worthless O line cant block anybody.

[CapitalDefense]

You mean Mark "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Brunell impresses you with his completion percentage?

[jnhay]

How is it Al Saunders fault that Brunell can't execute the plays? Add to that it's up to Gibbs that won't bench him and be done with it, what's Saunders to do?
Al Saunders is calling terrible games. Run, run pass isn't very creative. I don't care how much motion you throw in there.

Let's just keep running plays that are consistently ineffective. Yeah, that's great playcalling.

[APBT]

Brunell steps up in the pocket and throw for an amazing 3 yard pass!!!

[redskin81]

Yet another person who doesn't watch the game.

It's 3rd and 9. Does Mark step up into the pocket and throw to the sticks??

NO...throws the checkdown(4 yds) every time.

How's that the defenses fault?

I agree its time for a change at the qb position. But i have no idea what game you were watching because the defense was toast all game long. If this defense was half decent we'd be at least 4-5.

[Destino]

Brunell didn't let Indy score 36 points on him. Granted he only got us 7 himself.


This world class defense has lost it's direction.
You know why the gameplan again Indy is run the ball? It's to keep Manning off the field. Following that same line of thinking, what effect do you think the two failed drives at the start of third quarter had?

[Sekhmet187]

The defense played bad but there is no excuse for starting a QB in the NFL that can barely get 1 TD in the scoreboard a game, let alone the average of 3 or so. Brunell doesn't make many mistakes, but he makes no big plays at all.

All of the skins success in the last 2 years, is Moss and Portis. Brunell is riding their accomplishments to keep a starting job in the NFL he has no business keeping.

If you can't WIN a game with your arm or make plays yourself, you have no business being a starter at the QB position. You don't settle for QB's who have to rely on everybody else.

[dcsmooth]

To blame this game on Brunell is foolish. It's much more than Brunell. Sure, he's part of the problem, but not the problem. It's the offensive line and the defense, as well as Brunell.

[ibrahim]

Reasons why we suck: Our Cornerbacks, our O-coordinator's playcalling, our linebackers, our D-line's injuries, Brunell's reluctance to even LOOK downfield, and the coaches' unwillingness to light a fire under our players' butts.

I think that about sums it up. This looks more and more like a 6-10 season, if that.

[BoondockSkin]

This team has a lot of things to deal with. As fans we don't know if its the playcalling or the quarterback play. We DO know that the defense is terrible. We know (now) that Novak is suspect. We know that Frost is fiery (heh). We know that even when the running game isn't going great, you should still pound the ball. Apparently we're the only ones who know that.


Sigh. I'll be on the streetcorner selling Drawingboards to the Redskins Coaching staff if you need me.

[sean"Hitman"taylor]

i ll be happy if we lose ever game with campbell startin then losin anymore game with burnell playing

[jnhay]

To blame this game on Brunell is foolish. It's much more than Brunell. Sure, he's part of the problem, but not the problem. It's the offensive line and the defense, as well as Brunell.
Yeah, the season's over though. Campbell needs to be starting now.

[TD Riggo]

It's obvious that either:

(a) Al Saunders is calling these 3-5 yard passes that result in us punting every series;

OR

(b) Mark Brunell just can't see the field and/or throw long down field!


So:

(1) Al Saunders is an idiot who gets beat every week and doesn't make adjustments to win the next;

OR

(2) Mark Brunell no longer has the arm to make the plays nor the eyes to read ALL of his receivers!


Considering that we have:

(1) a super-speedster named "Santana Moss"

(2) a second speedster named "Antwaan randle-El"

AND

(3) a third speedster named "Brandon Lloyd."

Given those three, and an elite running back named "Clinton Portis," we should be KILLING defenses every week!

So, let's assume that Al Saunders isn't an idiot, that leaves of with the solution of this problem:

= "Mark Brunell!"

[TD_washingtonredskins]

It's not all Brunell's fault, but we need to start Campbell for the rest of the season.

Exactly.

If the team has many problems and isn't good enough to win, why play a 36-year old?? Where's the benefit?

Let Campbell learn the system. Let Campbell gain some chemistry with Moss, Cooley, Randle-El, Portis, etc...the OTHER young players who might still be here in 2 years.

I was 100% in favor of Brunell being our QB this year...if we were in the hunt, of course, I'd prefer him. But now that we've dropped 5 out of our first 7 games (including a loss to Tennessee) we have to admit to ourselves that we're not a good team this season. The worst thing for us this year might be our playoff run last year. I'm glad it happened, however it could cause this team to not objectively look at the truth...we're a team in transition that needs an infusion of linemen and to let the young guys try to come together as one!

[jnhay]

i ll be happy if we lose ever game with campbell startin then losin anymore game with burnell playing
me too. At least Campbell will give me a reason to watch.


Exactly.

If the team has many problems and isn't good enough to win, why play a 36-year old?? Where's the benefit?

Let Campbell learn the system. Let Campbell gain some chemistry with Moss, Cooley, Randle-El, Portis, etc...the OTHER young players who might still be here in 2 years.

I was 100% in favor of Brunell being our QB this year...if we were in the hunt, of course, I'd prefer him. But now that we've dropped 5 out of our first 7 games (including a loss to Tennessee) we have to admit to ourselves that we're not a good team this season. The worst thing for us this year might be our playoff run last year. I'm glad it happened, however it could cause this team to not objectively look at the truth...we're a team in transition that needs an infusion of linemen and to let the young guys try to come together as one!

I'm with you completely. I've been a huge supporter of Brunell up to this game, and I still believe he gives us the best chance to win. That said, we're not going to win 10 games this season so we might as well put in Campbell.

[sean"Hitman"taylor]

notice how i CB.. yeah even Spring...(that bit CH is old get him out) they all suck

[Section106]

Dear Joe,


Brunell is done. Let's face it. I doubt we come back to make the playoffs with him so let's start JC and see what the kid can do. Next year will be our year.

Sincerely,
Bill Brown - a life long Redskins fan

[ZEPHEAD]

We mostly throw dinks and dunks because thats all Brunnell can throw. He's the problem on offense.

This team has had these issues since Gibbs came here:

1) Kicking game. NOT ADDRESSED

2) Lack of pass rush. NOT ADDRESSED. (I guess bringing in Carter addressed that)

3) QB issue. NOT ADDRESSED (Unless bringing in Brunnell addressed it)


This is what has happened since Gibbs came back:

1) Woe'd Brunnell to come here and then signed him to a $43 million contract with a $8 million signing bonus (Who's laughing all the way to the bank???)

2)Brought in a Offensive Cordinator who had 2 big, strong armed QB's to run his offense, Kurt Warner and Trent Green.

3) Allowed Ryan Clark to leave and overpaid Archaletta

4) Let Abrahams go to the Falcons and overpaid for Carter who had 1 good year.

5) Brought in 3 players, Rumph, Lloyd, Carter from the 49ers who went 2-14 last year.

6) Traded a 3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett and then don't play him.

7) Traded the best cover corner in the game, Champ Bialey, or a RB and also gave up picks. (Why oh why do you do that.)

[triple6mafia]

is it his playcalling or is it because brunell can't do the things needed in an al saunders offense? Also, brunell checks down on 99% of pass plays, so we don't really even know what saunders is calling

Exactly. Brunell can't throw the ball downfield so we are tailoring the plays to throw those short passes. Also, Brunell, does immediately check down all the time and on 3rd down, whic is very unveteran like. I will blame brunell becuase so many people that love him, credit him when we win, so i will blame him when we lose. I am frustrated and fed up with brunell and I think the team is also. Im thinking that lloyd and randle el were arguing becuase they were frustrated and they were frustrated becuase brunell is terrible.

[Q-skin]

Brunell suck!!!!!! guys stop trying to make it okay about Brunell and blaming everythings else. Rump and that other sorry db can go back to high school and learn some more db, but for real Brunell suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TD Riggo]

So what happens when JC goes in?

Apparently, we will NEVER know!

We apparently are preparing for an offseason to trade yet another first-round QB draft pick to the J-E-T-S-Jits-Jits-Jits!!

[jnhay]

notice how i CB.. yeah even Spring...(that bit CH is old get him out) they all suck
I'm not completely sure what that means. If you're saying Springs sucks, you're misinformed.

[corsair_joe]

I don't see how the O-line is getting a pass here either, they are just as much to blame, Brunell was chased every play.

[jnhay]

Brunell suck!!!!!! guys stop trying to make it okay about Brunell and blaming everythings else. Rump and that other sorry db can go back to high school and learn some more db, but for real Brunell suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You said Brunell "suck" twice. Amazing :doh:

[DieselPwr44]

I agree its time for a change at the qb position. But i have no idea what game you were watching because the defense was toast all game long. If this defense was half decent we'd be at least 4-5.
NO. The only way this team would be 4-5 with THIS offense is if the defense was Bear-like.

Even an average defense would not be enough to carry this putrid offense.

[christopher44]

Brunell is not the answer for us.Get real.He is the reason why we lost a chance to get to the Super Bowl Last year.We will all find out just how much of a cancer he is when we have such talen like ,Moss,Cooley,RandelEl,LLoyd,Portis,Betts.He is our cancer.Good bye Good Riddence

[tenken627]

Look, it's not Mark Brunell's fault we are losing games. If we had at least the same defense as last year, we would be winning these games.

But last year we went to the playoffs DESPITE Mark Brunell, not because of him. We were winning with guts and power with Portis and great defense.

Now because Portis is getting banged up and our defense is horrible, we are losing ball games.

We have lost our IDENTITY, on defense and offense. If you can't play defense, you need to have a great qb. If you don't have a great qb, you need a great defense.

We, right now, have neither. And thats where the problem is. I seriously don't see the defense fixing its numerous problems this season. There are just too many things to fix and may well have to be fixed next year.

That means we need a qb that can win us games.

I am not saying Campbell will win us games right now, we could lose every game for the rest of the season.

But at least Campbell will have some experience knocked into him, so that when we finally do create a NEW IDENTITY, he will be a major cog in it.

And then we can make a "real" push for a championship.

[PCRoughrider]

No quarterback can save this team because the defense isn't NFL caliber.

[TC024]

We mostly throw dinks and dunks because thats all Brunnell can throw. He's the problem on offense.

This team has had these issues since Gibbs came here:

1) Kicking game. NOT ADDRESSED

2) Lack of pass rush. NOT ADDRESSED. (I guess bringing in Carter addressed that)

3) QB issue. NOT ADDRESSED (Unless bringing in Brunnell addressed it)


This is what has happened since Gibbs came back:

1) Woe'd Brunnell to come here and then signed him to a $43 million contract with a $8 million signing bonus (Who's laughing all the way to the bank???)

2)Brought in a Offensive Cordinator who had 2 big, strong armed QB's to run his offense, Kurt Warner and Trent Green.

3) Allowed Ryan Clark to leave and overpaid Archaletta

4) Let Abrahams go to the Falcons and overpaid for Carter who had 1 good year.

5) Brought in 3 players, Rumph, Lloyd, Carter from the 49ers who went 2-14 last year.

6) Traded a 3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett and then don't play him.

7) Traded the best cover corner in the game, Champ Bialey, or a RB and also gave up picks. (Why oh why do you do that.)

Damn good post! :applause:

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

If you all would WATCH Brunell he can only see two offensive players on the field, the primary receiver and the check down back...

A HUGE PROBLEM IS HAVING A LEFT HANDED QB FOR A RIGHT HANDED SYSTEM, our offensive line is meant to be used the opposite way, Samuels Protecting to QBS back. He keeps getting penalties because he is used to forcing the player wide. Although Brunell did play decent, he didnt make any long attempts to try and WIN the game. It is time for campbell...

[jaw3232]

4 man defensive rush, 3 & 5 step drops and Brunell is still getting hit nearly every time. OK you're tired of Brunell, but it isn't going to matter. Find something else to whine about please!!!

It will be a lot of fun watching Campbell learning how to be an NFL QB under these conditions. How long before you turn on him.

This site is 75% whining idiots.

[ironmic]

No i do blame Brunell and that is that!

[playoffsplz]

Yea I dont think the ppl here realize our D is getting manhandled every game...like a QB switch would even matter!

[terje]

First thing is MB blows, please start JC. Second the defense, the played decent in the first half. Second half different story. I really think it kills their spirit when they play well get a punt out of Indy and then the O goes out and pulls the bull**** 3 and out almost everytime. When your O can go out and move the ball that fires up the D as well. Look at the Cards D last week agaisnt the bears. Their O moved the ball like crazy in the first half and their D played awesome the entire game. yes they lost but the d didnt give up their points it was a int for td, fumble for td and a pnt return. But their D still saw that their O could move the ball so they stayed fired up. Pretty much comes down to MB blows. Thats about it.

[terje]

the one post about MB getting hit a lot, if he could freaking move maybe he wouldnt get hit as much. At least JC can roll out and try to create, MB lays down and takes te sack everytime.

[DieselPwr44]

Yea I dont think the ppl here realize our D is getting manhandled every game...like a QB switch would even matter!
And I don't think people here realize that the defense would have to play absolutely lights out to carry this offense the way Mark runs it.

Like say..the last five games of last year........

[blackchucknorris]

its funny how Mark Brunell throws it to his check down EVERY FRICKING PLAY
its funny how Mark Brunell stole the job when Patrick Ramsey was clotheslined and went out for a couple plays. He didnt even play that well that game. We won 9-7. We didnt even get a touchdown. he didnt play well until the last 5 min in the second game of the season.
its funny how Mark Brunell made it so that Patrick Ramsey sat on our bench quiet a whole season in which Gibbs said "pat is our guy"
its funny how Gibbs said the same thing this year about Mark and Mark got to play more than one play
its funny aint it?

[Mooka]

It doesn't matter anymore.

We're 2-5, we're done...

[myzhi]

It's funny the O did sh*t in 2nd half, but there aren't any blame. Why didn't the Defense hold the Colts to ZERO points. Come on, other teams do that all the time. :doh:

[blackchucknorris]

actually we're not done

our new motto---


8-1 or we're done

[Peregrine]

Don't get me wrong Brunell isn't the best answer but he isn't the main reason why we are going to be 2-5. Al Saunders is the main reason why are team is pathetic. Yes, his play calling is frustrating and I don't understand why we only run the ball 15 times when we have CLINTON FRICKING PORTIS! I also don't understand why we throw dink and dunks with wideouts like MOSS, RANDLE EL & LLOYD! (and you can't blame that on Brunell, like Portis said it's hard for Brunell to throw the deep ball when it's not being called!) But all of that is secondary. The MAIN reason about Saunders is he was TOO MUCH! Why fix something that wasn't broken? We were 11th last year on offense. All we needed was a wideout or two. It's sad we have such an explosive offense yet can't score more than 1 offensive TD unless we play Houston. The defense has been a complete dissappointment, but I think we would still be in the hunt if this offense could do more than 3 & out all the time. What a waste, again Snyder proves that our Super Bowl is in the offseason.

Al saunders, are you serious? Our offense is MUCH improved over last year. Its ranked 11th in the NFL(before this week, where we actually exactly hit our average) in yards, 15th in points, far above what it was at this point last season. So where in the world do you get off making such a stupid claim?

At this point last season, we had one game where we had scored more than 21 points(49ers). This season, we have 4.

[terje]

Being 2-5 does not count us out. Unfortuanntly we need to route for Dallas to win tomorrow so NY doesnt go 3-0 in the division. Since Philly lost today it does put us only two games back. The question is can we finish the season and only lose 1 game, maybe. The game at Philly is one I think will be tough. I still cant believe the eagles lost to the Buck today, I mean they have a rookie from Toledo starting, and they cant run the ball worth crap. Do I think we can pull it out, hey we need 5 straight last year and got it. So you never know, but the odds are not in our favor. Im so glad my fisrt year with season tickets has gone this way. But if we can pull it how what a rest of the season it will be.

[ookk]

It's funny the O did sh*t in 2nd half, but there aren't any blame. Why didn't the Defense hold the Colts to ZERO points. Come on, other teams do that all the time. :doh:


And the D contributed by giving up 3 TDs in the 3rd Qtr and once again getting zero takeaways.Well done lads!

[Hokie_Skinz]

I don't blame Brunell for the losses. This team has a myriad of problems right now. The D can't stop anything, and the O has some crazy play calling.

I think Campbell needs to go in just for experience. Is Brunell better? Who knows, he might be, but this season is pretty much done. It makes no sense to forsake next year too because the QB has no experience. I think Campbell can run the offense just as well as Brunell can, perhaps slightly better with his mobility. I would just feel better going into 2007 knowing the QB has had some snaps.

[BraveWarrior]

Brunell suck!!!!!! guys stop trying to make it okay about Brunell and blaming everythings else. Rump and that other sorry db can go back to high school and learn some more db, but for real Brunell suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!After reading your post, I think I know someone else who needs to go back to high school...

[powerANDgut]

You all seem to think it's one or the other. The offense and defense are interconnected. D plays pretty well against the colts in the first half, why? Our O is actually scoring points, sustaining drives and letting the D rest. Then comes the second half where we have 4 drives that net us 90 yards. Colts come in and pull away. Even last year when we weren't scoring much, we were running the ball and letting our D rest on the sidelines. (but holdman sucks too)

Brunell has never been part of the solution, so that makes him a problem. What has mark done to have Gibbs ever dying confidence in him? THat is the most baffling part. SInce he's been here he has consistently been mediocre to awful. I'm with RIggins, stop coddling him gibbs and get out the whip! Start calling him out, do something!

You can't blame check downs on saunders, THEY ARE CALLED CHECKDOWNS FOR A REASON! most of the receivers are down the field past the markers but he won't throw it.

Our line, the same line from last year that ran and protected pretty damn well is suddenly the weakness. Or is it a direct result of our QB, the same QB that has been awful since he's been here?

hmmm

[nneece]

Not too mention you can't keep running the ball when you they are stopping the run. If you watched the game today you know the running game was up and down.

The running game is getting stopped because D's are packing almost everyone in to stop the run or short passing games. They don't fear or respect MB to throw the deep ball. If we had a QB that could throw the deep ball then this would open up the running and screen pass game.

[jc17mvp]

Vote for Campbell

[SkinsFTW]

portis doesnt get carries because he's getting oxygen on the sidelines and he's getting hurt every other play now. Maybe WATCH the games before you criticze the lack of runs.

Somebody needs to run and they need to run inside on since we have played the 32nd ranked defense two weeks in a row. And the Giants when we played them were ranked right around there as well. Pathetic that we don't attempt to keep our horrible defense off the field by running the ball.

Saunders is a joke and I am very surprised that Gibbs hasn't given him a hint on what will work because its pretty obvious.

[SkinsFTW]

The running game is getting stopped because D's are packing almost everyone in to stop the run or short passing games. They don't fear or respect MB to throw the deep ball. If we had a QB that could throw the deep ball then this would open up the running and screen pass game.

If there aren't more blockers Brunell will never have time to pass deep. Not saying that another QB couldn't get it done but Brunell needs at least 2 seconds just to wind up to get the ball out of his hand.