Brady For Heisman

[skinsx1221]

For all of you OSU band-wagoneers, just let

Me tell you one thing. Troy Smith is horrible.

Brady Quinn can actually throw the football,

Unlike Troy who has only had like 1, 200

yard game. While Brady hasn't been at 100

yards all season. Sure Troy can run, but

scrambling Q's do not win Heismans. :nono:

[canethang 305]

I for one DO NOT LIKE OSU but.... the trophy is awarded to the BEST PLAYER IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL regardless of the method used to attain the result.

Get a life your school is a bunch of cry babies with a soft schedule. Who else play's Navy, Army and Air Force except those 3 schools.

Just for kicks why did ND take Miami off there schedule, because when they started scheduling the 'Canes it was an easy win and a trip to South Beach every other year and then Miami ended there National Title hopes almost every year and they wanted to soften up there schedule.

[Major Harris]

couple things: nd sucks.

brady quinn is good, but he should not win the heisman.

normal font works just fine, no need to scream.

your sig is in serious violation of the rules, might want to knock that thing down a few thousand pixels.

[The Evil Genius]

Beano Cook, is that you?

[SkinsHokieFan]

This thread sucks

Quinn better not win the Heisman

[skinsx1221]

Yeah who else plays GT at GT and USC at USC, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State(when they were actually good). ND by far has the best schedule

[rincewind]

Troy Smith threw for 1,200 yards in a game and you don't think he should win the Heisman?

[rincewind]

As for scabbling QBs not winning it - Doug Flutie, Andre Ware, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch...

[skinsx1221]

NO not 1200 yards. Troy Smith has had one two-hundred yard game. If he ever threw for 1,200 id shoot myself.

[The Evil Genius]

Rince,

It's not nice to pick on the Irish fans. They are after all, simple folk.

:silly:

[DarthSidious]

Yeah who else plays GT at GT and USC at USC, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State(when they were actually good). ND by far has the best schedule

UNC and the service academies say hello to that statement and smacks it down. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

, Michigan State(when they were actually good).
:rotflmao::rotflmao::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[skinsx1221]

Well, at least they dont lose their only game to LOUISVILLE. HAHAHA omg "its goin down in the "Ville" omg WVU SUCKS!! how many times did Steve Slaton fumble. OMFG SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!! ND doesn't play EAST CAROLINA and only win by like 10

[Major Harris]

Well, at least they dont lose their only game to LOUISVILLE. HAHAHA omg "its goin down in the "Ville" omg WVU SUCKS!! how many times did Steve Slaton fumble. OMFG SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!! ND doesn't play EAST CAROLINA and only win by like 10

short bus just left. guess you'll have to ride your big wheel.

[rincewind]

Well, at least they dont lose their only game to LOUISVILLE. HAHAHA omg "its goin down in the "Ville" omg WVU SUCKS!! how many times did Steve Slaton fumble. OMFG SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!! ND doesn't play EAST CAROLINA and only win by like 10



Right - they play UCLA, with UCLA's 2nd string QB, in South Bend and eek out a last second win. Your arguments are weak, Short Bus.

[PleaseBlitz]

God, this is the worst most misinformed thread ever. :doh:

I and KNEW it would happen. :doh: :doh:

#1, While Quinn is the better pro prospect, Troy Smith has been nothing short of spectacular all year.

#2, Quinn showed that he can be REALLY REALLY bad when he faces a good defense (Michigan), Smith has showed that he can step it up another notch against a good defesne (Texas).

#3, Rushing QB's win the Heisman regularly, thanks rince.

#4, Notre Dame is going to lose AT LEAST 1 more game this year, probably 2.

#5, STOP SAYING MICHIGAN STATE AND PSU ARE GOOD THIS YEAR FOR ****S SAKE! THEY ARENT.

[PleaseBlitz]

Well, at least they dont lose their only game to LOUISVILLE. HAHAHA omg "its goin down in the "Ville" omg WVU SUCKS!! how many times did Steve Slaton fumble. OMFG SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH!! ND doesn't play EAST CAROLINA and only win by like 10

My stars, it got even more misinformend and delusional.

ND lost by 26 to the #2 team in the country.
WVU lost by 10 to the #3 team.

ND is ranked #9.
WVU is ranked #10.

You dont have a whole lot of room here short bus.


Also, if we are campaigning for Heisman, lets run some Heisman campaign ads. The negative kind. :evil:



[deep scary voice]Brady Quinn plays for a coach that wears a grey hooded sweatshirt. The Unabomber wore a grey hooded sweatshirt. Brady Quinn is also Irish like the IRA. Brady Quinn supports terrorism. Vote for Troy Smith.[/deep scary voice]

Im Troy Smith, and I approved this message. :)

[TheJoe1013]

Nice statistical softball thrown up here...


Brady Quinn against teams with a pass defense of 26th or better (currently 3)
59% completion rate, 2-1 TD to INT, and 255 yards per game. Average margin of victory was .6 points

Brady Quinn against teams with a pass defenses ranked nationally at 76, 86, 93, 94, 107, and 109.
67% completion rate for 302 yards per game with a huge 19-1 TD to INT ration for an average margin of victory of 14 points.

To me, that says he's good, pretty good. I'm not impressed with his numbers against good pass defenses except for what he did against Penn States 26th ranked defense, but other than that it looks like he just padded his stats against weaker teams. The other thing to draw, though it has no bearing on Brady for Heisman, but ND's defense is suspect. If Quinn is putting up that good of numbers against that bad of pass defenses and they are only winning by an average of 14 points, then these teams are putting up a lot of points against ND as well.

Direct comparison to Troy Smith:

QB Comp % Yrds/Game TD INT Avg Rushing Yards Rush TD
Brady Quinn 64% 286 25 4 -4 2
Troy Smith 67% 201 22 3 21 1


Pretty comparable stats and the back killers for Brady Quinn
his team has 1 loss, Smith has 0 losses
Notre Dame SOS currently is 45 while OSU SOS currently is 23, both out of 119
Don't forget Troy Smith's highlight pass against Penn State, can't say I've seen one of those types of moments for Brady Quinn.

Troy Smith is a better college QB then Brady Quinn. He's done just about as much as Brady Quinn, if not more, against better opponents.

[TheJoe1013]

ND doesn't play EAST CAROLINA and only win by like 10

No instead ND plays the 86th ranked defense and wins by 3, and plays the 95th ranked defense and wins by 3.

Just so you know. ECU is ranked 54 nationally on total defense.

For more help, +10 over 54 is way better than +3 over 86 and +3 over 95

[rincewind]

Wow, this thread is just one big ass whuppin'. :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Wow, this thread is just one big ass whuppin'. :laugh:


:laugh:

[canethang 305]

Yeah who else plays GT at GT and USC at USC, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State(when they were actually good). ND by far has the best schedule

You still never answered my question, why did ND take Miami off the schedule?

We all know the answer, let's hear your version.

[TheJoe1013]

You still never answered my question, why did ND take Miami off the schedule?

We all know the answer, let's hear your version.

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I would guess it was done for the same reason they took BC off their schedule this year, and for the same reason they took Penn State off their schedule back in the 80's only to put them back on in the 2000's....hmmmm its a mystery!

And I swear there is 1 more team that ND has done this to as well but can't remember right this instance.

[rincewind]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I would guess it was done for the same reason they took BC off their schedule this year, and for the same reason they took Penn State off their schedule back in the 80's only to put them back on in the 2000's....hmmmm its a mystery!

And I swear there is 1 more team that ND has done this to as well but can't remember right this instance.



Actually, they were scared of Miami - literally. The games were becoming very heated and ND was afraid of the types of players and games Miami played, so they took them off of the schedule.



And, the other team was USC. They stopped playing them for awhile, but have reinstated that rivalry.

[skinsx1221]

This was an ESPN Columnist that said this;

Maybe you saw our offense too -- the one scoring 30 of our

44 points. We did that against the No. 12-ranked defense in

the country.

You did that against a West Virginia defense that had
faced

Marshall (44th out of 119 in total offense), Maryland (95th),

East Carolina (51st), Mississippi State (104th), Syracuse

(112th), UConn (77th) and Eastern Washington (77th out

of 119 in Division I-AA).

Just proving to u that ND doesn't have a "light" schedule and that I should be complaining about how bad teams WVU plays so just shut your mouth. If ND has such an easy schedule then why dont they play Marshall, East Carolina, Eastern Washington, and Missisippi State.

[rincewind]

This was an ESPN Columnist that said this;

Maybe you saw our offense too -- the one scoring 30 of our

44 points. We did that against the No. 12-ranked defense in

the country.

You did that against a West Virginia defense that had
faced

Marshall (44th out of 119 in total offense), Maryland (95th),

East Carolina (51st), Mississippi State (104th), Syracuse

(112th), UConn (77th) and Eastern Washington (77th out

of 119 in Division I-AA).

Just proving to u that ND doesn't have a "light" schedule and that I should be complaining about how bad teams WVU plays so just shut your mouth. If ND has such an easy schedule then why dont they play Marshall, East Carolina, Eastern Washington, and Missisippi State.


Can someone please translate this post so that I can refute it also? Thanks. :)

[canethang 305]

As Major has expressed smaller font please. Get off your golden dome high horse and come back down to earth with the rest of the world, your assesment of WVU's schedule versus ND's can't even be compared. WVU wasn't given a choice there are part of a conference something you know nothing about. They didn't do a nod and a wink tv and BCS deal based on the fact that they are popular because shocker catholics and Irish people will pull for them. Your school get's to decide who it play's YOU PLAY 2 BIG GAMES USC and Michigan, and until 4 years ago USC sucked. Man up and put some real schools on your schedule not has beens that you only think about scheduling when they are down, and taking off teams when they have proven they can compete with you. WVU didn't decide to take Tech, Miami, and BC off there schedule they had no choice, the reason you think the schedule they play is soft is because it takes years to put together a schedule ahead of time. When WVU put their out of conference schedule they were playing the 3 aforementioned teams who would have scheduled an out of conference heavywieght when you were playing 2 teams a year that are perenial contenders for a national title.

You are the perfect example of an arrogant, krass , egotistical Golden Domer. Don't forget not to long ago you could barely beat Navy, and those day's are right around the corner again. And before you try and lash out at me remember whose won 5 championships in less than 25 years and had another stolen.

I will now allow PB to take over the ass whoopin.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Canes, Hokies, Panthers and Mountaineers united

If not by the Redskins, by our mutual hatred of ND :laugh:

[canethang 305]

Canes, Hokies, Panthers and Mountaineers united

If not by the Redskins, by our mutual hatred of ND :laugh:

Couldn't have said it better.:laugh:

[rincewind]

Canes, Hokies, Panthers and Mountaineers united

If not by the Redskins, by our mutual hatred of ND :laugh:


Damn, the Wolverine's fan(s) can't get no love? :mad:

[The Evil Genius]

Damn, the Wolverine's fan(s) can't get no love? :mad:

You ever noticed that the fans of ND never actually went to the school? :laugh:

[Major Harris]

You ever noticed that the fans of ND never actually went to the school? :laugh:
:secret:rince never went to michigan.

[PleaseBlitz]

I will now allow PB to take over the ass whoopin.


:laugh: Actually, I think you covered it nicely. :cheers:

I would like to add that in the 10 years since Holtz left, Notre Dame had been the definition of mediocre. Bowl ineligible HALF the time with 3 LOSING seasons.

But i guess last years juggernaut Notre Dame squad, that beat a grand total of ZERO teams that finished ranked, really got those Domers back on the bandwagon.

[airborneskins]

Just for kicks why did ND take Miami off there schedule, because when they started scheduling the 'Canes it was an easy win and a trip to South Beach every other year and then Miami ended there National Title hopes almost every year and they wanted to soften up there schedule.

They took the Canes off the schedule after the 89 season (I think) because of the bad rep that Miami was getting. I don't remember all of the details but the term Catholics vs. Cons comes to mind. :silly:

Also, if we are campaigning for Heisman, lets run some Heisman campaign ads. The negative kind. :evil:

[deep scary voice]Brady Quinn plays for a coach that wears a grey hooded sweatshirt. The Unabomber wore a grey hooded sweatshirt. Brady Quinn is also Irish like the IRA. Brady Quinn supports terrorism. Vote for Troy Smith.[/deep scary voice]

Im Troy Smith, and I approved this message. :)

:laugh: :laugh:
Impressive PB.

However, I think that Skinsx1221 is making us (the Irish fans) look bad and uneducated.

[Major Harris]

However, I think that Skinsx1221 is making us (the Irish fans) look bad and uneducated.
and the understatement of the year award goes to........
AIRBORNESKINS!!!!!!:1stplace:
applause

[PleaseBlitz]

They took the Canes off the schedule after the 89 season (I think) because of the bad rep that Miami was getting. I don't remember all of the details but the term Catholics vs. Cons comes to mind. :silly:





Yeah, it was Catholics vs. Convicts.

[rincewind]

Looks like Brady is just about officially done. :wavetowel





I bet there was a trophy maker working overtime last night trying to scratch his name off the Heisman. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

troy smith has it locked. if brady wins, jesse jackson will be back on our tv sets.

[gridironmike]

Quinn > Smith, but Slaton isn't bad. Since Slaton is a soph, I'd vote for Quinn.

[cjcdaman]

Quinn > Smith


:laugh: Stats from the Michigan games. Quinn: 24-48 for 234 yards. Smith: 29-41 for 316 yards. Completion percentage: Quinn-50%, Smith-70.7%. Touchdowns: Quinn-3, Smith-4. Interceptions: Quinn-3, Smith-1. QB Rating: Quinn- 99.08, Smith- 162.79

[gridironmike]

Stats from one common opponent? How about a season? How about a career? We'll see in April. It's called the draft. Quinn > Smith. Neither is as good as Slaton, but we all know a soph won't win the Heisman. How many yards would Slaton have if they let him play entire games early in the season? How many if QB Pat White wasn't amassing 1,000 yards rushing. How many if he would've gotten Wolfe's (N. Illinois) 289 rushing attempts?

[cjcdaman]

How about a career? We'll see in April. It's called the draft.

Career? The Heisman is awarded for one season. Draft? This thread is about the Heisman Trophy.

[rincewind]

Stats from one common opponent? How about a season? How about a career? We'll see in April. It's called the draft. Quinn > Smith. Neither is as good as Slaton, but we all know a frosh won't win the Heisman. How many yards would Slaton have if they let him play entire games early in the season? How many if QB Pat White wasn't amassing 1,000 yards rushing. How many if he would've gotten Wolfe's (N. Illinois) 289 rushing attempts?



You're not seriously suggesting we base the Heisman on who gets drafted higher, are you? :doh:



Ask Charlie Ward how that would have worked out for him.



And Slaton isn't a freshman.

[rincewind]

Career? The Heisman is awarded for one season. Draft? This thread is about the Heisman Trophy.


Please don't agree with me, it makes me feel dirty. :laugh:




:cheers:

[The Evil Genius]

And Slaton isn't a freshman.


He should be. He's a true Sophomore.

[gridironmike]

This thread is about the Heisman Trophy.

Quinn>Smith. You replied to my post. I replied to yours. Brady probably won't win the Heisman, but he should before Smith. My (corrected) bad on Slaton (soph).

[TheJoe1013]

Quinn>Smith. You replied to my post. I replied to yours. Brady probably won't win the Heisman, but he should before Smith. My (corrected) bad on Slaton (soph).

You really think Quinn's stats are better than Smith's and that Quinn should win the Heisman?

Please dont use total stats, like total passing yards. Cause then you need to inflate Smith's stats.

For instance, Quinn had 432 pass attempts to Smith's 297. So of course Quinn will throw for more yards and more touchdowns cause he threw for more passes.

Quinn averaged 11 more attempts per game, but only complete 6 more passes per game on average. Also while throwing 135 more attempts then Smith, Quinn only threw 5 more touchdowns...in other words, Smith averaged 1 passing touchdown on every 10 attempts, meanwhile Quinn averaged 1 passing touchdown on every 12 attempts. Quinn averaged 7.6 yards per attempt while Smith averaged 8.4 yards per attempt.

So if Smith threw as often as Quinn did, Smith would have more touchdowns, more completions, and more yards the Quinn would.

And all of this, Smith did against better rated pass defenses then what Quinn faced.

One more stat for you, Smith's passer rating is 167.9, Quinn's is 156.6.

So Smith put up better numbers against better opponents.
167.9>156.6.
Smith>Quinn.

And we didn't even get into rushing stats. They're not much better for supporting Quinn either.

How can you argue against Smith>Quinn given the stats over the whole season as you suggested. Even in common opponents, of which there was 1, and Quinn was bested by Smith.

I'd really like to know you reasoning behind Quinn being better then Smith. (Keep in mind the Heisman, as you were told, is not about who will get drafted higher [note all the first picks that didn't win the heisman], it's not about who will be the better pro player).

[cjcdaman]

I'd really like to know you reasoning behind Quinn being better then Smith. (Keep in mind the Heisman, as you were told, is not about who will get drafted higher [note all the first picks that didn't win the heisman], it's not about who will be the better pro player).


Thanks for this whole post. I didn't want to have explain it to him again.

[rincewind]

He wasn't even second. :3rdplace:



:laugh:

[Buford]

I read an article last week that said N.D. spends more time around the Holiday's with the Military than Bob Hope.

That got an out loud laugh, and got me thinking. With the exception of getting waxed late to USC, who lost to Cal. Who did they play late in the season? Quinn wasn't going to win.