WVU vs. VA Tech

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Who would win in a neutral stadium this year WVU or VA Tech?

How can I make this a poll? I really wish the directions were more true to life. It says simply click the "yes, post a poll button at the bottom of the page. Well that doesn't exsit as far as I can see!! Do you need to have a certain number of posts in order to be able to create polls or something?

[Major Harris]

we would crush va. tech. and hokie4 would no longer be able to hide behind the oh-so-coveted black diamond trophy and would have to resort to nothing but wv jokes.

[hokie4redskins]

The fact you can't even create a simple poll speaks volumes.

I'm fairly confident we'd smack WVU around like the byetches they are. Unfortunately, the chances of a WVU/VT game this year are very slim and any predictions at this point are biased speculation.

So until that coveted day (by WVU fans, VT fans couldn't care less).........

[Major Harris]

we would crush va. tech. and hokie4 would no longer be able to hide behind the oh-so-coveted black diamond trophy and would have to resort to nothing but wv jokes.
he's already up to his old tricks in another thread.

[Major Harris]

I'm fairly confident we'd smack WVU around like the byetches they are. Unfortunately, the chances of a WVU/VT game this year are very slim and any predictions at this point are biased speculation.

So until that coveted day (by WVU fans, VT fans couldn't care less).........


gee, i wonder why chances are slim........


and don't remind me about the black diamond trophy! i can't believe we don't have that great trophy in our possession, it means so much.

[hokie4redskins]

gee, i wonder why chances are slim........


and don't remind me about the black diamond trophy! i can't believe we don't have that great trophy in our possession, it means so much.

Because you play in a soft conference and you're duking it out with RUTGERS for the conference title?

You OH SO wish you had it. Don't even try denying it.

[Major Harris]

Because you play in a soft conference and you're duking it out with RUTGERS for the conference title?

You OH SO wish you had it. Don't even try denying it.

oh yeah, we play in a soft conference.....and your conference sent a 4 loss team to the bcs last year and has WAKE FOREST in a spot to win it this year, get over yourself.


and i'll be honest, i never heard of the black diamond trophy until you and shf started pimping it on here. i like this one better:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/dviands/WVU2.jpg

[SkinsHokieFan]

oh yeah, we play in a soft conference.....and your conference sent a 4 loss team to the bcs last year and has WAKE FOREST in a spot to win it this year, get over yourself.


and i'll be honest, i never heard of the black diamond trophy until you and shf started pimping it on here. i like this one better:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75/dviands/WVU2.jpg


We took that one a decade ago. What took you guys so long? :whoknows:

The VT D, number 1 in total and scoring D, and historically does very well against the run, and has done very well against the WVU spread since RR got there (except 2003, you guys whipped us that night)

Your D being a soft spot for your team

One rule I have always had. When you have a matchup like this, one team has a great O but mediocre D and one team has a mediocre O but a great D, take the team with the D

And special teams, yup, those would factor in with a VT vs WVU game. Block a FG for a TD, have Branden Ore keep Slaton/White off the field, smack Slaton and White in the mouth hard with our nasty D (look what happened to the O of WFU tonight which had been rolling this whole season, Clemson rolling big time before getting stuffed against our D) control the clock and get a good solid win

VT 24
WVU 20

[WVUforREDSKINS]

someone tell me how to make a poll because im not seeing anything how to. And the people can decide the results.

[spm]

both teams are pretty good. That would be a fun game to see. It's a shame VT isn't willing to play WVU any longer.

[PleaseBlitz]

WVU would roll, Slaton would put up 200+ yards.

[SkinsHokieFan]

WVU would roll, Slaton would put up 200+ yards.

:laugh:

You gotta give me more then Steve Slaton is superman vs subpar D's to get me not to laugh at that

[PleaseBlitz]

:laugh:

You gotta give me more then Steve Slaton is superman vs subpar D's to get me not to laugh at that


You gotta give me more than "THE ACC IS AWESOME!" because it really isnt. :laugh:

[Major Harris]

We took that one a decade ago. What took you guys so long? :whoknows:

we were waiting for it to matter.

[PleaseBlitz]

Oh, BTW:

Week 13 AP Top 25
1. Ohio State (65) 12-0 1,625
2. Michigan 11-1 1,502
3. USC 9-1 1,493
4. Florida 10-1 1,451
5. Arkansas 10-1 1,365
6. Notre Dame 10-1 1,307
7. West Virginia 9-1 1,144
8. Louisville 9-1 1,078
9. LSU 9-2 1,075
10. Wisconsin 11-1 1,049
11. Texas 9-2 1,028
12. Boise State 11-0 878
13. Oklahoma 9-2 856
14. Auburn 10-2 822
15. Rutgers 9-1 736
16. Georgia Tech 9-2 667
17. Virginia Tech 9-2 583
18. Boston College 9-2 516
19. Tennessee 8-3 404
20. Wake Forest 9-2 355
21. Brigham Young 9-2 325
22. California 8-3 302
23. Nebraska 8-3 258
24. Clemson 8-3 122
25. Hawaii 9-2 89

[Major Harris]

Oh, BTW:

Week 13 AP Top 25
1. Ohio State (65) 12-0 1,625
2. Michigan 11-1 1,502
3. USC 9-1 1,493
4. Florida 10-1 1,451
5. Arkansas 10-1 1,365
6. Notre Dame 10-1 1,307
7. West Virginia 9-1 1,144
8. Louisville 9-1 1,078
9. LSU 9-2 1,075
10. Wisconsin 11-1 1,049
11. Texas 9-2 1,028
12. Boise State 11-0 878
13. Oklahoma 9-2 856
14. Auburn 10-2 822
15. Rutgers 9-1 736
16. Georgia Tech 9-2 667
17. Virginia Tech 9-2 583
18. Boston College 9-2 516
19. Tennessee 8-3 404
20. Wake Forest 9-2 355
21. Brigham Young 9-2 325
22. California 8-3 302
23. Nebraska 8-3 258
24. Clemson 8-3 122
25. Hawaii 9-2 89


but, but, but, but, .....the big east sucks.....

[SkinsHokieFan]

So any of you WVU homers want to say why you'd beat us this year?

[PleaseBlitz]

So any of you WVU homers want to say why you'd beat us this year?


Um, because we're better than you at football. :thumbsup:

[SkinsHokieFan]

Um, because we're better than you at football. :thumbsup:

:laugh:

Face one respectable team all season and end up with a 10 point loss. How is that November record this year? :laugh:

[Diggs]

So any of you WVU homers want to say why you'd beat us this year?

We're still not the only ones saying we're better than you and well, 116 other teams in this case. :D

2) That West Virginia is the best team that won’t play for the national title. If Steve Slaton doesn’t fumble twice against Louisville, we probably wouldn’t be having this OSU-Michigan rematch conversation right now, and to be honest, I would have loved to have seen a Buckeyes-Mountaineers title game -- you would have been guaranteed to have about 1,200 yards of offense. Just as Troy Smith and Co. proved Saturday to be immune to even the stingiest of defenses, I feel the same way about Slaton and Pat White, especially after watching them hold another track-meet-on-grass Thursday night against Pittsburgh (White ran for 220 yards, Slaton 215). As entertaining as OSU-West Virginia would be, however, the Mountaineers don’t hold much water in the one-loss derby due to their non-conference schedule.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/

[Richmond Redskin]

You gotta give me more than "THE ACC IS AWESOME!" because it really isnt. :laugh:

Who is claming that for this year??? I think you are boasting more about your pseudo power conference than we have been.

This does suck that VT and WVU cannot continue their great rivalry. It's very frustrating, but I'm sure that fans on both sides would love to see them play in a bowl game if not this year but in a couple of years or so.

[hokie4redskins]

Let me get this straight, you're ranked ahead of a team that WHOOPED you this year (Louisville) and ended up ranked higher than a team that WHOOPED you last year at home (VT). And these rankings are the end all factor?

:rolleyes:

You're ranked high b/c you're in a ****ty conference and you KNOW this.

[Major Harris]

Let me get this straight, you're ranked ahead of a team that WHOOPED you this year (Louisville) and ended up ranked higher than a team that WHOOPED you last year at home (VT). And these rankings are the end all factor?

:rolleyes:

You're ranked high b/c you're in a ****ty conference and you KNOW this.
louisville whooped us? ok.

and please stop talking about ****ty conferences. you play in the acc.

[PleaseBlitz]

Let me get this straight, you're ranked ahead of a team that WHOOPED you this year (Louisville) and ended up ranked higher than a team that WHOOPED you last year at home (VT). And these rankings are the end all factor?

:rolleyes:

You're ranked high b/c you're in a ****ty conference and you KNOW this.


You are in an even ****tier conference and STILL not even ranked very high. :laugh:

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Let me get this straight, you're ranked ahead of a team that WHOOPED you this year (Louisville) and ended up ranked higher than a team that WHOOPED you last year at home (VT). And these rankings are the end all factor?

:rolleyes:

You're ranked high b/c you're in a ****ty conference and you KNOW this.

Please count the rankings for Big East teams and then count the rankings for ACC teams. Let me know the results. :D

[SkinsHokieFan]

Please count the rankings for Big East teams and then count the rankings for ACC teams. Let me know the results. :D


Well if you want to do that the ACC has 6 ranked teams and the Big East has 3 ranked teams

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Well if you want to do that the ACC has 6 ranked teams and the Big East has 3 ranked teams

And what are they ranked please :D


Face it ACC=weak

[hokie4redskins]

You guys are so deluded it's hilarious. :laugh:

Bottom line is that no matter WHAT the result of the "Clash of Titans" b/w WVU and RUTGERS :laugh: is, WVU ain't winning the Big East. That is HILARIOUS. Too bad CINCY knocked off the best team in the conference huh? After all the **** you talked this year, you can't even win your own pathetic conference.

There is zero doubt in my mind, and I mean ZERO, that VT would've waltzed through the Big East this year and Louisville, WVU and RUTGERS would've been duking it out to see who gets the scraps from VT's dinner table.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

You guys are so deluded it's hilarious. :laugh:

Bottom line is that no matter WHAT the result of the "Clash of Titans" b/w WVU and RUTGERS :laugh: is, WVU ain't winning the Big East. That is HILARIOUS. Too bad CINCY knocked off the best team in the conference huh? After all the **** you talked this year, you can't even win your own pathetic conference.

There is zero doubt in my mind, and I mean ZERO, that VT would've waltzed through the Big East this year and Louisville, WVU and RUTGERS would've been duking it out to see who gets the scraps from VT's dinner table.


There has never been a more homerish statement ever made. You still haven't answered my question of what those rankings are.

Slaton and White would eat you!!! :applause:


Hahaha even Rutgers is still better than VT. Ore is hurt as far as I know so now you all really suck.

[Major Harris]

You guys are so deluded it's hilarious. :laugh:

Bottom line is that no matter WHAT the result of the "Clash of Titans" b/w WVU and RUTGERS :laugh: is, WVU ain't winning the Big East. That is HILARIOUS. Too bad CINCY knocked off the best team in the conference huh? After all the **** you talked this year, you can't even win your own pathetic conference.

There is zero doubt in my mind, and I mean ZERO, that VT would've waltzed through the Big East this year and Louisville, WVU and RUTGERS would've been duking it out to see who gets the scraps from VT's dinner table.
very easy to say that. the numbers say otherwise. remember, cincy had you on the ropes.

it's funny how much you rag on the big east because rutgers is one of the best teams. yet wake forest is near the top of the acc.

[EersSkins05]

very easy to say that. the numbers say otherwise. remember, cincy had you on the ropes.

it's funny how much you rag on the big east because rutgers is one of the best teams. yet wake forest is near the top of the acc.

Why is this even a discussion? WVU fans are looking towards playing a team like Michigan, Florida, or Notre Dame in January, not some also-ran from the worst BCS conference in the nation (and the BCS conference ratings back that up).

And if I sound bitter, it's because I entered this thread hoping that it might be about the basketball teams from VT and WVU that have a decent chance of playing this week if they both win the opening round of the Old Spice Classic in Orlando. (VT plays Western Michigan, WVU plays Montana, both Thursday night.)

[SkinsHokieFan]

And if I sound bitter, it's because I entered this thread hoping that it might be about the basketball teams from VT and WVU that have a decent chance of playing this week if they both win the opening round of the Old Spice Classic in Orlando. (VT plays Western Michigan, WVU plays Montana, both Thursday night.)


If we play in basketball, VT better win that game

You guys have some talent, but its real young. What is it 8 freshmen and soph's?

We have a senior laden lineup that has quality players who can focus on basketball again rather then who in their family is going to die this week

[EersSkins05]

If we play in basketball, VT better win that game

You guys have some talent, but its real young. What is it 8 freshmen and soph's?

We have a senior laden lineup that has quality players who can focus on basketball again rather then who in their family is going to die this week

lol- that last line was wickedly funny. I've never even heard of a team that had as many tragedies as VT bball did last year (unless you count airplane accidents).

Yeah, our talent is EXTREMELY raw right now, but we already rebound and defend better than we did at any time in the last 4 years. Plus we have an elite coach that is known for getting more out of less than anyone in the nation. We're going to surprise some teams, but I don't think it will happen this early in the season. Too much to learn too fast.

VT should be able to hold its own in the ACC this year. I wouldn't expect to be ranked up with Duke and UNC, but you should be able to compete with Maryland, GT, NC State, etc.

[SkinsHokieFan]

VT should be able to hold its own in the ACC this year. I wouldn't expect to be ranked up with Duke and UNC, but you should be able to compete with Maryland, GT, NC State, etc.


Absolutley. And do be quite honest, anything less then an NCAA tourney berth would be a dissapointment

Nowhere near the Duke/UNC level, but definitley will be competitive

[hokie4redskins]

very easy to say that. the numbers say otherwise. remember, cincy had you on the ropes.

it's funny how much you rag on the big east because rutgers is one of the best teams. yet wake forest is near the top of the acc.

Cincy had us on the ropes? Is that why we won by 16? Yeah yeah, WVU and Louisville had VT "on the ropes" last year too which is why we won by a combined four touchdowns. Please.

We played our WORST game of the year against Cincy and still whooped them. Not sure what conference you come from where losing by 16 points is considered competitive. Oh wait, the Big East. My bad.

[EersSkins05]

Cincy had us on the ropes? Is that why we won by 16? Yeah yeah, WVU and Louisville had VT "on the ropes" last year too which is why we won by a combined four touchdowns. Please.

We played our WORST game of the year against Cincy and still whooped them. Not sure what conference you come from where losing by 16 points is considered competitive. Oh wait, the Big East. My bad.

Not that I really care, but wasn't Cincy leading in the fourth quarter? I'd say that would be considered "on the ropes."

[PleaseBlitz]

With Brandon Ore hurt, this really isnt a serious discussion.

What is the Hokie POV? WVU is ONLY getting an at-large BCS berth, while VT is getting Gator or something? WVU is ONLY finishing 2nd in the Big East while VT MIGHT take 3rd in the ACC, which is clearly the weaker conference? WVU lost 1 game to a top 10 team, while VT has lost twice to teams ranked 16th and 18th, one of which was a home game.

What is the argument here? Seems crystal clear to me.

[Major Harris]

Cincy had us on the ropes? Is that why we won by 16? Yeah yeah, WVU and Louisville had VT "on the ropes" last year too which is why we won by a combined four touchdowns. Please.

We played our WORST game of the year against Cincy and still whooped them. Not sure what conference you come from where losing by 16 points is considered competitive. Oh wait, the Big East. My bad.

see below for you daily ownage.

[hokie4redskins]

Tech would beat WVU with or without Brandon Ore. Slaton and White have not played against a wrecking ball-style defense like VT all year and with your porous 3-3-5 (and believe me, "porous" is a euphemism) that game could well get out of hand by the 4th quarter, you know, kind of like it did last year at your house.

PB, I'm still waiting for some semblance of an argument as to WHY the ACC is "clearly" inferior to the Big East.

Any high rankings given to the BE is due simply to the fact that the competition is so friggin' weak, the depth is so friggin' shallow, that three teams including RUTSgers is walking along with a 9-1 record come late November.

[Major Harris]

Tech would beat WVU with or without Brandon Ore. Slaton and White have not played against a wrecking ball-style defense like VT all year and with your porous 3-3-5 (and believe me, "porous" is a euphemism) that game could well get out of hand by the 4th quarter, you know, kind of like it did last year at your house.

PB, I'm still waiting for some semblance of an argument as to WHY the ACC is "clearly" inferior to the Big East.

Any high rankings given to the BE is due simply to the fact that the competition is so friggin' weak, the depth is so friggin' shallow, that three teams including RUTSgers is walking along with a 9-1 record come late November.


what competition is there in the acc? didn't virginia just beat miami? isn't wake near the top? you keep wanting answers, but you provide none?

[SkinsHokieFan]

With Brandon Ore hurt, this really isnt a serious discussion.

What is the Hokie POV? WVU is ONLY getting an at-large BCS berth, while VT is getting Gator or something? WVU is ONLY finishing 2nd in the Big East while VT MIGHT take 3rd in the ACC, which is clearly the weaker conference? WVU lost 1 game to a top 10 team, while VT has lost twice to teams ranked 16th and 18th, one of which was a home game.

What is the argument here? Seems crystal clear to me.


Big thing Ore will be playing in a bowl game

You guys have faced one serious team all year, and got punked and ended up with a double digit loss

Our season simply turned around after the BC loss. Slaton and White would not have the room, we come up with a special teams play, and Ore keeps your O off the field

Just like the 2004 game

VT 24
WVU 20

I have no idea why you guys obssess over us. The inferioty complex is a bit much now, good grief

[spm]

Well now that VT has beaten the Wake Forest juggernaut that steamrolled Big East powerhouses Syracuse 20-10 and Connecticut 24-13 earlier this season, they have proven 1) VT is for real and 2) the ACC is much better than the Big East this year. :rolleyes:

Realistically, the game would be more like 38-24 WVU. The Big East is the better conference this year and WVU is a vastly improved club over the one that played VT last September. Too much offensive speed and an underrated run defense would mean VT couldn't score points fast enough to keep up.

[Diggs]

Big thing Ore will be playing in a bowl game

You guys have faced one serious team all year, and got punked and ended up with a double digit loss

Our season simply turned around after the BC loss. Slaton and White would not have the room, we come up with a special teams play, and Ore keeps your O off the field

Just like the 2004 game

VT 24
WVU 20

I have no idea why you guys obssess over us. The inferioty complex is a bit much now, good grief

We did lose to a top 5 team on the road at night. It didn't help we spotted them 7 points and lost one of our best offensive players for quarter due to injury. But that happens, it's in the past.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the ACC will be much improved after this year. But you are insane if you don't think the conference is one of the worst BCS conferences this year. Wake was in contention for crissakes. The perennial powers (Mia/FSU) were laughing stocks. VT turned around and took advantage of it all, good for them. The BIG EAST will/should be getting 2 BCS teams for a reason. Next year, things could change but almost all objective experts agree, the BIG EAST is one of the best in the country THIS year.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Well now that VT has beaten the Wake Forest juggernaut that steamrolled Big East powerhouses Syracuse 20-10 and Connecticut 24-13 earlier this season, they have proven 1) VT is for real and 2) the ACC is much better than the Big East this year. :rolleyes:

And which juggernauts has WVU beaten this year?



Realistically, the game would be more like 38-24 WVU. The Big East is the better conference this year and WVU is a vastly improved club over the one that played VT last September. Too much offensive speed and an underrated run defense would mean VT couldn't score points fast enough to keep up.

Clemson with Spiller and Davis were supposed to score lots of points against our D. Our D always eats primarily running teams for lunch, the offenses that have given Bud Foster's D trouble over the past decade have been primarily passing offenses

See Pittsburgh with Walt Harris coaching, or USC to open 2004, or Miami with Dorsey, Shockey, and Andre Johnson, or FSU in the 2000 National Championship game

Running the ball, see Clemson and Wake this year, WVU 2004 and 2005 (you guys whipped us in 2003, our D sucked that year), Syracuse 1999, LSU and Texas A&M 2002, Auburn 2005 Sugar Bowl (Jason Campbell beat us with his arm that day)

Number 2 overall D, number 1 scoring D. I'll take my chances with Adibi and Hall stuffing White and Slaton

[SkinsHokieFan]

We did lose to a top 5 team on the road at night. It didn't help we spotted them 7 points and lost one of our best offensive players for quarter due to injury. But that happens, it's in the past.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit the ACC will be much improved after this year. But you are insane if you don't think the conference is one of the worst BCS conferences this year. Wake was in contention for crissakes. The perennial powers (Mia/FSU) were laughing stocks. VT turned around and took advantage of it all, good for them. The BIG EAST will/should be getting 2 BCS teams for a reason. Next year, things could change but almost all objective experts agree, the BIG EAST is one of the best in the country THIS year.

I am not arguing conferences, the ACC is clearly down this year, I'll be the first to admit it

Now its not AS BAD as others make it out to be, when you have 6 teams ranked you are not a BAD conference, you are just not as good as you were the previous year when you had 3 teams in the top 10 for most of the season and had 51 players drafted in the NFL draft including 13 first rounders

There is no dominant team, but my guess, the ACC will do just fine come bowl season. Just like last year

But 6 ranked teams and its a terrible conference? Yawn

[Diggs]

But 6 ranked teams and its a terrible conference? Yawn

I thought there were 5 ranked teams? :whoknows:


I'm not saying they should get their BCS bid revoked, but it is clear there is no dominance in the conference this year. This is proven by the fact that the #1 team, in GT, is ranked one spot below the Big East's #3 team, in Rutgers. (Note: GT is ranked one ahead of RU in the coach's poll.)

This type of stuff can be argued forever. Sure, the ACC is currently taking up 20% of the top 25 rankings. That is good! But the Big East is holding down 20% of the top 15 rankings.

It should be fun to watch the bowl matchups, especially since most likely Lville could be facing GT and RU vs. VT?

[Major Harris]

Now its not AS BAD as others make it out to be,

well, that's what we've been saying about the big east all year, the big east has proven this, yet it's still knocked by fans of a certain conference for being inferior.

[SkinsHokieFan]

well, that's what we've been saying about the big east all year, the big east has proven this, yet it's still knocked by fans of a certain conference for being inferior.


Na, the BE was straight up BAD for the past 2 years

This year, a bit better, Rutgers has really shown up, but now that the top 3 teams have started beating up on each other, its been exposed

But in the context of this argument its irrelevant

Virginia Tech matches up better with WVU then any other team WVU has played this year. Very fast and strong front 7, lots of speed in the secondary, an O that can keep the WVU offense off the field, and the clear ST's advantage

[The Evil Genius]

It's a bit shortsighted to say that the WVU team that played in on the 1st day of October 2005 is the same as the one currently playing now. Hell, it wasn't the same team 3 months later (when Slaton and White were actually starters).

Moreso, I tend to think last year's VPI team was better than this years. Am I wrong?

[SkinsHokieFan]

It's a bit shortsighted to say that the WVU team that played in on the 1st day of October 2005 is the same as the one currently playing now. Hell, it wasn't the same team 3 months later (when Slaton and White were actually starters).

Moreso, I tend to think last year's VPI team was better than this years. Am I wrong?


You are correct on both counts there. The WVU team IS better then the one on 10/1/2005, and the Tech team is not as good on OFFENSE as it was on 10/1/2005

I would say our D is as good, or might possibly be even better then last year at this point in the season

Giving up only 29 points in the last 5 games is riddiculous, considering 2 of those teams were Clemson, who was coming off of a win torching GT, and Wake Forest, who just crushed FSU at home 30-0.

I like the matchup with WVU, historically passing teams are able to beat Bud Foster's D. This D has absolutley crushed the run game of opposing offenses this year. Calvin Johnson killed us against GT, and BC had 13 points until deep into the 4th when VT finally danced and collapsed.

I would not expect the VT O to put up 34 points, or Glennon to have a Marcuv Vick like 15 of 17, 185 yard, 2 TD performance, but I would expect us to prevent Slaton/White from running through the Kyhber pass, Glennon to get one or two nice passing plays down field, Ore to allow us to hold onto the ball, and a special teams play to break the game for us

Just like the 2004 game in Blacksburg

[PleaseBlitz]

Na, the BE was straight up BAD for the past 2 years

This year, a bit better, Rutgers has really shown up, but now that the top 3 teams have started beating up on each other, its been exposed




This is the point i would like to make. Yes, the Big East was bad in the 2 years immediately following the raid. Too many people still have that stuck in their heads. The product on the field is much improved, but those that watch little or no Big East games, like Jbooma and CJC for instance, just go by what they heard awhile back.

And i dont get the "its been exposed" comment. OSU just beat Michigan in the same fashion that Rutgers beat Lville. But the Big East has been "exposed" while the Big 10 just proved how good it is? The top teams in the SEC do this to each other every year, and they are widely regarded as the dominant conference (and i agree that the SEC is the best). That is a double standard that makes little sense.

Meh, whatever. Like Diggs said, this can be argued forever. The only opinions i really care about are those that vote in the polls. The Big East likely gets 2 BCS bids this year and another very good bid. That will be an opportunity to prove themselves.

GOD i want WVU to play ND. The golden domers are the opposite of WVU IMO in regards to public opinion. They have pretty similar schedules and an identical record, except WVU has blown out the weaker teams on its schedule and even the stronger teams if you buy into Maryland football this year. ND has struggled with several cupcakes. Yet everyone thinks ND is worthy of the national Cship and WVU is vastly overrated. I would like a shot at embarrassing them January 1.

[Inxsive]

PleaseBlitz[/b]
Oh, BTW:

Week 13 AP Top 25
1. Ohio State (65) 12-0 1,625
2. Michigan 11-1 1,502
3. USC 9-1 1,493
4. Florida 10-1 1,451
5. Arkansas 10-1 1,365
6. Notre Dame 10-1 1,307
7. West Virginia 9-1 1,144
8. Louisville 9-1 1,078
9. LSU 9-2 1,075
10. Wisconsin 11-1 1,049
11. Texas 9-2 1,028
12. Boise State 11-0 878
13. Oklahoma 9-2 856
14. Auburn 10-2 822
15. Rutgers 9-1 736
16. Georgia Tech 9-2 667
17. Virginia Tech 9-2 583
18. Boston College 9-2 516
19. Tennessee 8-3 404
20. Wake Forest 9-2 355
21. Brigham Young 9-2 325
22. California 8-3 302
23. Nebraska 8-3 258
24. Clemson 8-3 122
25. Hawaii 9-2 89
Major Harris]but, but, but, but, .....the big east sucks.....


How many teams has WVU beaten on this list? I guess Maryland is your best win? Both who you lose to and who you beat are important when judging a team. However if you look at who teams have beaten to compare teams it gives you a better understanding of their capability. What wins this year do you think people should judge WVU on? There is a reason that WVU has no shot at the nation title game with only one loss.

[PleaseBlitz]

Inxsive is back! :party:


Hey, where were you when WVU was #3 and VT was unranked? :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is the point i would like to make. Yes, the Big East was bad in the 2 years immediately following the raid. Too many people still have that stuck in their heads. The product on the field is much improved, but those that watch little or no Big East games, like Jbooma and CJC for instance, just go by what they heard awhile back.

Cut for length

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Look in this discussion I am not gonna argue the conference stuff. The Big East has played better then the ACC this year, no argument from me. And I have no problem with that

In this thread I want to talk about VT vs WVU hypothetically playing. As we both know football is really a game of matchups. I like our matchup with WVU very much, and I have detailed out why

I am curious as to why you like the matchup vs VT, where you see you can exploit VT and take advantage of your strengths

[Inxsive]

Inxsive is back! :party:


Hey, where were you when WVU was #3 and VT was unranked? :laugh:

I've been on a long deployment, keep in mind I didn't pop back right after WVU lost either.

[PleaseBlitz]

Look in this discussion I am not gonna argue the conference stuff. The Big East has played better then the ACC this year, no argument from me. And I have no problem with that

In this thread I want to talk about VT vs WVU hypothetically playing. As we both know football is really a game of matchups. I like our matchup with WVU very much, and I have detailed out why

I am curious as to why you like the matchup vs VT, where you see you can exploit VT and take advantage of your strengths

I really like our matchup as well. You have similar rushing defensive statistics as Louisville and Cincinatti, against similar competition:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_defense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

Against those 2 teams, we averaged 315 yards rushing. I dont think your defense could stop Slaton/White. No one has come close yet. I dont think anyone in the nation could with the exception of Michigan. You'd have to outscore us.

So lets talk VT offense.


Your strength on offense is running the ball. WVU's rush defense is VERY good, and i just dont think Glennon could beat us if you guys had to store 30+ points to win. Your rushing offense still isnt in the top 50, though it has been good lately.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_offense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

ST might keep you in it, but if it comes down to Glennon having to beat us, i dont think he could get it done.

[SKINSBABY2005]

Big East is better? ACC is better? Neither one of the conferences is great this year.

Bottom line is Hokies beat up on the Mountaineers the last time they played. WVU has a good offense this year but their D is pathetic. Hokies D is by far one of the best in the country. Just look at the stats.

WVU has not beat one team in the top 25 this year. When your best win is over MD then you dont have much to brag about. Big East will be exposed for the weak conference that it is in the bowls.

Hokies dont have a great win this year either. A win over a top 10 Clemson looked great at the time but they lost to freaking MD too. Ahhhhhh this is pointless. But I hate WVU...

If they played this year?

Hokies 35
WVU 7

[PleaseBlitz]

Big East is better? ACC is better? Neither one of the conferences is great this year.

Bottom line is Hokies beat up on the Mountaineers the last time they played. WVU has a good offense this year but their D is pathetic. Hokies D is by far one of the best in the country. Just look at the stats.

WVU has not beat one team in the top 25 this year. When your best win is over MD then you dont have much to brag about. Big East will be exposed for the weak conference that it is in the bowls.

Hokies dont have a great win this year either. A win over a top 10 Clemson looked great at the time but they lost to freaking MD too. Ahhhhhh this is pointless. But I hate WVU...

If they played this year?

Hokies 35
WVU 7


:whoknows: Uh, VT didnt even PLAY MD this year. :laugh:

[Inxsive]

Look in this discussion I am not gonna argue the conference stuff. The Big East has played better then the ACC this year, no argument from me. And I have no problem with that

In this thread I want to talk about VT vs WVU hypothetically playing. As we both know football is really a game of matchups. I like our matchup with WVU very much, and I have detailed out why

I am curious as to why you like the matchup vs VT, where you see you can exploit VT and take advantage of your strengths

Maybe WVU will get lucky and get to play their kindred soulmate Boise State.

[hokie4redskins]

:whoknows: Uh, VT didnt even PLAY MD this year. :laugh:

He's not saying that VT played MD. Aren't you always trashing my reading comprehension?

I'm thinking more along the lines of, oh, I dunno,

34-17.

:laugh:

And I would fully expect Eer fans to make excuses. "But but but, Steve Slaton's shoes were untied."

[Inxsive]

I really like our matchup as well. You have similar rushing defensive statistics as Louisville and Cincinatti, against similar competition:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_defense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

Against those 2 teams, we averaged 315 yards rushing. I dont think your defense could stop Slaton/White. No one has come close yet. I dont think anyone in the nation could with the exception of Michigan. You'd have to outscore us.

So lets talk VT offense.


Your strength on offense is running the ball. WVU's rush defense is VERY good, and i just dont think Glennon could beat us if you guys had to store 30+ points to win. Your rushing offense still isnt in the top 50, though it has been good lately.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_offense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

ST might keep you in it, but if it comes down to Glennon having to beat us, i dont think he could get it done.

LOL!...Comparing stats against teams that play the same type of weak ass schedule as WVU doesn't exactly prove much.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I really like our matchup as well. You have similar rushing defensive statistics as Louisville and Cincinatti, against similar competition:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_defense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

Against those 2 teams, we averaged 315 yards rushing. I dont think your defense could stop Slaton/White. No one has come close yet. I dont think anyone in the nation could with the exception of Michigan. You'd have to outscore us.

So lets talk VT offense.


Your strength on offense is running the ball. WVU's rush defense is VERY good, and i just dont think Glennon could beat us if you guys had to store 30+ points to win. Your rushing offense still isnt in the top 50, though it has been good lately.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/stats/2006/divia/team/rushing_offense_byRUSHYDS_PER_GAME.html

ST might keep you in it, but if it comes down to Glennon having to beat us, i dont think he could get it done.


Good post, not ignoring it, but I don't have time right now to counter it. Have a final exam for grad class tonight

I'll come back at ya later on

[Diggs]

If they played this year?

Hokies 35
WVU 7


:doh:

NO team, I repeat NO team would/could hold WVU to 7 points this year. Not saying we'd win against every team lining up against us, but we sure as hell will make it interesting, if not win.

You just don't hold the nation's #1 rushing offense and #2 scoring offense to 7 points.

People :pooh: on the defense as well. I'm not saying it's our strength cuz it obviously isn't, but it's not as bad as people think.

That said, this year it'd be WVU 38 VT 28

[The Evil Genius]

Especially since WVU has only be held scoreless in 3 QTR's the entire year (out of 40)...and one of them was a 4th quarter in which the scrubs played in.

:D

[PleaseBlitz]

LOL!...Comparing stats against teams that play the same type of weak ass schedule as WVU doesn't exactly prove much.


So you are saying VT has played much tougher teams? Man, you really did have a long deployment. :laugh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Good post, not ignoring it, but I don't have time right now to counter it. Have a final exam for grad class tonight

I'll come back at ya later on



Good luck. :cheers:

[Major Harris]

inxs is back! :party:

[SKINSBABY2005]

:whoknows: Uh, VT didnt even PLAY MD this year. :laugh:

I know VT did not play MD this year. I was talking about Clemson. Hokies got a big W against Clemson but then CLEMSON lost to MD. So that Clemson victory does not look as good after they lost to the turtles.

[SKINSBABY2005]

He's not saying that VT played MD. Aren't you always trashing my reading comprehension?

I'm thinking more along the lines of, oh, I dunno,

34-17.

:laugh:

And I would fully expect Eer fans to make excuses. "But but but, Steve Slaton's shoes were untied."


Clemson LOST to MD!!!

Here it is in Couch Burning terms.

Point 1. WVU biggest W this season came against crappy MD.
Point 2. VT biggest win came against 10th ranked Clemson.
Point 3. MD beat Clemson. So that makes the Hokies big w not look as good as it did on October 27th.

As I also said in the earlier post. This is pointless.

Both schools are having good seasons.

HOKIES 35
WVU 3
:applause: :cheers:

[PleaseBlitz]

I know VT did not play MD this year. I was talking about Clemson. Hokies got a big W against Clemson but them CLEMSON lost to MD. So that Clemson victory does not look as good after they lost to the turtles.


Gotcha. Also, dont forget that the Mountaineers TROUNCED Maryland by 3 touchdowns and had taken a 28 point lead within 14 minutes of kickoff.

[spm]

So you are saying VT has played much tougher teams? Man, you really did have a long deployment. :laugh:

Perhaps he missed the part where the ACC was lucky to go 3-5 against the Big East in interconference play this year :laugh:

[Inxsive]

So you are saying VT has played much tougher teams? Man, you really did have a long deployment. :laugh:

I'm saying that VT has beaten tougher teams teams than WVU has beaten. Forget the ACC for a minute then, what wins do you think WVU should be judged on?

[The Evil Genius]

The impartial computers (in theory) have WVU's currently played schedule ranked harder than VPI's. Perhaps its because they (WVU) didn't play a 2-9 UNC or a 0-11 Duke.

[PleaseBlitz]

I'm saying that VT has beaten tougher teams teams than WVU has beaten. Forget the ACC for a minute then, what wins do you think WVU should be judged on?


Maryland is our best win. We murdered them. Rutgers will soon be a better win if they are sitting at #15.

Louisville is our only loss.


Who is VT's best win? Wake? They are #20.

Theyve also lost TWICE to teams ranked much lower than Louisville and one of the L's was at Lane.


This is all pretty straight forward.

[PleaseBlitz]

The impartial computers (in theory) have WVU's currently played schedule ranked harder than VPI's. Perhaps its because they (WVU) didn't play a 2-9 UNC or a 0-11 Duke.


And that will only expand when WVU plays #15 Rutgers while VT plays #984 UVA. :laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

UVA maybe goes bowling if they can pull off the upset...Wahoo

:doh:

[Richmond Redskin]

But But But I thought WVU was supposed to be a lock for the National championship game this year?? Don't worry you'll piss down your legs again next year.

[PleaseBlitz]

But But But I thought WVU was supposed to be a lock for the National championship game this year?? Don't worry you'll piss down your legs again next year.


:fortune: Really?



:laugh: At least people talk about us.

[Inxsive]

Maryland is our best win. We murdered them. Rutgers will soon be a better win if they are sitting at #15.

Louisville is our only loss.


Who is VT's best win? Wake? They are #20.

Theyve also lost TWICE to teams ranked much lower than Louisville and one of the L's was at Lane.


This is all pretty straight forward.

Rutgers will not be ranked 15 after you beat them. I bet they will drop completely out of the top 25. You will have zero wins against ranked teams. Who cares what a team is ranked when you play them. As of right now WVU's two best wins were against the 27th and 50th ranked teams. VT's was against the 21st and 23rd. This is all pretty straight forward.;)

[Diggs]

Rutgers will not be ranked 15 after you beat them. I bet they will drop completely out of the top 25. You will have zero wins against ranked teams. Who cares what a team is ranked when you play them. As of right now WVU's two best wins were against the 27th and 50th ranked teams. VT's was against the 21st and 23rd. This is all pretty straight forward.;)

This is the kind of argument I find funny. When Coach Rod is asked point blank about this kind of thing, he likes to say that WVU routing these teams is one of the reasons they fall in the rankings. We play who is in front of us. If they are ranked #15 (or whatever) and we smack them, they will obviously fall. That isn't our problem.

[Major Harris]

are you really saying that a 9-2 rutgers team will not be ranked?

[PleaseBlitz]

are you really saying that a 9-2 rutgers team will not be ranked?


Are you surprised? :laugh:


















:doh:

[PleaseBlitz]

Mandell's blog:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/

2) That West Virginia is the best team that won’t play for the national title. If Steve Slaton doesn’t fumble twice against Louisville, we probably wouldn’t be having this OSU-Michigan rematch conversation right now, and to be honest, I would have loved to have seen a Buckeyes-Mountaineers title game -- you would have been guaranteed to have about 1,200 yards of offense. Just as Troy Smith and Co. proved Saturday to be immune to even the stingiest of defenses, I feel the same way about Slaton and Pat White, especially after watching them hold another track-meet-on-grass Thursday night against Pittsburgh (White ran for 220 yards, Slaton 215). As entertaining as OSU-West Virginia would be, however, the Mountaineers don’t hold much water in the one-loss derby due to their non-conference schedule.

3) That Virginia Tech is on fire. This has been a pretty horrific year for me in the predictions department (see Michigan 17, Ohio State 14), and another one I got wrong was saying in our Midseason Crystal Ball that the Hokies would be the season’s second-half flop. It certainly appeared that way after Frank Beamer’s team got smoked by B.C. in a Thursday night game on Oct. 12, but Tech hasn’t lost since, and Saturday night in Winston-Salem they managed to do what no other team has done this season: Dominate Wake Forest. And they did it despite losing star RB Branden Ore to an ankle injury early in the game. If the Hokies beat rival Virginia next week, they’ll finish 10-2 and likely head to the Chick-fil-A Bowl -- not bad for a “rebuilding season.”

[cjcdaman]

If Steve Slaton doesn’t fumble twice against Louisville, we probably wouldn’t be having this OSU-Michigan rematch conversation right now


I hate when people say this. If, if, if. If OSU doesn't turn the ball over three times(two of which were center to QB mistakes), Michigan would have no shot at the National Championship because they would have lost by double digits.

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I hate when people say this. If, if, if. If OSU doesn't turn the ball over three times(two of which were center to QB mistakes), Michigan would have no shot at the National Championship because they would have lost by double digits.


You got a point. Anyone can come up with ifs in sports and make it seem like if something didn't happen then this and that would happen.


Anyways thats the game and why its so good.


Go Redskins and Go Mountaineers!!

[Inxsive]

are you really saying that a 9-2 rutgers team will not be ranked?

Most likely yes, they are one of the lowest ranked one loss teams. It depends what happens with those teams in the 10 spots below then but as it stand now, there are 7 teams with the same number of losses and 4 with more loses ranked ahead of them. You don't think they will have any 3 loss teams ranked ahead of them?

[Prosperity]

god I hope VT and WVU go to the Gator bowl... if USF can stop White and Slaton then VT sure as hell can

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yea, after seeing what South Florida did today, we would win :laugh:

[hokie4redskins]

Um yeah, VT would completely embarrass WVU, just like we did last year. This is no longer up for debate.

[PleaseBlitz]

Um yeah, VT would completely embarrass WVU, just like we did last year. This is no longer up for debate.

Sure it is. VT still isnt very good.

One bad loss for WVU notwithstanding, WVU would still pummell VT.