So, does anybody want to discuss who is #2 in the new BCS standings?

[rincewind]

Yep, its my boys in Maize and Blue. Barely ahead of USC. Looks like if USC wins out, they're in - but I don't see anyone else being able to jump Michigan. Can't believe I'm going to have to cheer for ND if UCLA doesn't knock off USC. :puke:

[Buford]

The #2 went to the #1, lost by 3 points. Nothing should change.

Rematch would be best.

Having ND even in the picture is an insult to College Football. Who'd they play this time of the season? Army?

[jbooma]

Yep, its my boys in Maize and Blue. Barely ahead of USC. Looks like if USC wins out, they're in - but I don't see anyone else being able to jump Michigan. Can't believe I'm going to have to cheer for ND if UCLA doesn't knock off USC. :puke:

I would like to see a rematch but if USC beats ND then they deserve it. It would be very hard for any team to beat the same team twice.

[Major Harris]

as a wvu fan, it was my duty to pan for the 'eers to get their shot if they held up their end of the bargain.


they did not.

and after yesterdays game, i see no reason that we shouldn't see a rematch.


of course, the winner of the usc/nd game will probably jump michigan. usc because there is a strong case for them, and notre dame because that's what the media and the ncaa wants.

[jbooma]

as a wvu fan, it was my duty to pan for the 'eers to get their shot if they held up their end of the bargain.


they did not.

and after yesterdays game, i see no reason that we shouldn't see a rematch.


of course, the winner of the usc/nd game will probably jump michigan. usc because there is a strong case for them, and notre dame because that's what the media and the ncaa wants.

i don't think any voter would rank ND ahead of michigan, which is what it would take

[Major Harris]

i don't think any voter would rank ND ahead of michigan, which is what it would take
some people would kill to give nd a shot. but hopefully you are right.

[jbooma]

the winning numbers in the Ohio lotter yesterday were 4-2-3-9 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mjah]

If we had a single-elimination playoff this year consisting of 6 BCS conference champions plus Michigan and Notre Dame, how would everyone feel?

[jbooma]

If we had a single-elimination playoff this year consisting of 6 BCS conference champions plus Michigan and Notre Dame, how would everyone feel?

that would be fine, or just do the BCS + 1 :) have OSU play the SEC winner, then Mich play USC and the winner play the following week

the only problem is you are dragging the season out so much

[Major Harris]

that would be fine, or just do the BCS + 1 :) have OSU play the SEC winner, then Mich play USC and the winner play the following week

the only problem is you are dragging the season out so much

3 weeks? with all the down time in between bowls?



mjah, to answer your question, i'd feel great if they did that.

[PleaseBlitz]

If USC wins out, which i believe they will, they are in. And i dont think anyone can argue with that.

If they dont, it'll be chaos.


This is one of the reasons i like the BCS system. It may not be a perfect system, but MAN does it create the drama.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I still say you have to have the rematch. Losing by only 3 at the horseshoe?

Ohio State is 1, Michigan is 1A, both these teams are in a class far above any other team in the nation

[jbooma]

Michigan was impressive enough in a 42-39 loss to the Buckeyes to retain second place in the Bowl Championship Series standings released Sunday. But the Wolverines' margin is so slim that it'll be tough for them to get another shot at Ohio State in the national title game if the Trojans keep winning.

Michigan's BCS average was .926. The Trojans, who have two games left, were at .919.

"I'm not surprised," Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said of Michigan retaining second place. "The pollsters had to be impressed with the way [Michigan] has played."

"It'll be interesting to see how it comes out," he told Fox television.

The No. 1 Buckeyes locked up a spot in the BCS title game Jan. 8 in Arizona with their victory over the Wolverines on Saturday, their 19th straight overall. They also became the first team to have a perfect score (1.000) under the BCS formula introduced in 2004. Ohio State is a unanimous No. 1 in the polls and the best team in the country according to the BCS computer ratings.

[cjcdaman]

I still say you have to have the rematch.


The last thing I want to happen is to play THAT team again. That being said, I do agree that Michigan is the # 2 team in the nation.

[The Evil Genius]

Hard to take a conference seriously when the 2 best teams can't play D.


:silly:




42-39?



:laugh:

[EersSkins05]

I believe I read where USC's SOS is #1 in the nation.

If you're one of many one loss teams and you've got the hardest schedule, you should be in. It's fairly simple.

That said, college football is a joke until they start settling the championships on the field. If pro football settled its business the way that the NCAA does, the Colts would've been in the last 4 Super Bowls.

[DarthSidious]

Hard to take a conference seriously when the 2 best teams can't play D.


:silly:




42-39?



:laugh:

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? :laugh: :silly:

[mjah]

If pro football settled its business the way that the NCAA does, the Colts would've been in the last 4 Super Bowls.
And they would have played the Eagles in at least two of them.

I assumed TEG was being deliberately ironic/sarcastic with his "no defense" remark. I laughed, although I don't think it's actually applicable to UM/OSU beyond a throwaway line.

But I won't even wade into that quagmire. I have paid work to do today.

[The Evil Genius]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? :laugh: :silly:


Yes, I was being sarcastic. Was bringing up the same point that the media brought up on the WVU/U Lou game.

The same point that is conveniently overlooked in this game AND the BCS Championship Game last year.

Call me biased, but I think WVU would have no problem putting up 30+ points against either of these teams. The problem is, could WVU stop either of them. :silly:

[TheJoe1013]

Was bringing up the same point that the media brought up on the WVU/U Lou game. The same point that is conveniently overlooked in this game AND the BCS Championship Game last year.

One difference. Last year's Texas and USC, and this years OSU and UM teams have proved that they have good defenses. If you look at points allowed, yards allowed against quality opponents, etc....you'll see those 4 teams have proven defenses that have played well against proven offenses. So for those 4 teams, the quality of defense was never in question.

WVU and Louisville didn't have that luxury. Neither team has really played a high scoring offense until they played each other. And against lower tier offenses, neither team's defense had played particularly great.

To look at the OSU vs UM game, see it is high scoring, and say oh, they have no defenses is stupid, just as it is or the LU vs WVU game. But when you look at what those defenses have done against other offenses statistically, the other 4 teams have had more impressive stats against better offenses.

To me that's onereason why WVU vs LU got that label and other 2 didnt. Another reason is star power. WVU vs LU game feature 3 stars on a national level. Slaton, White, and Bhrom. Texas had Vince Young, USC had Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, and their list continues on and on. OSU and Michigan had lots of stars as well between Smith, Manningham, Hart, Henne, Pittman. There was much more star power on the offenses for the other 2 games. Bigger names then WVU vs. LU. So it is easy for the media to say that because of how great the stars on offense were is why the score was so high even though they played good defenses.

Just my :2cents: as to why the WVU vs LU game was labeled no defense, when the other 2 were "games of the century". (Seriously, that label is getting out of hand. I think there is a game of the century every year.)

[Mufumonk]

Yes, I was being sarcastic. Was bringing up the same point that the media brought up on the WVU/U Lou game.

The same point that is conveniently overlooked in this game AND the BCS Championship Game last year.

Call me biased, but I think WVU would have no problem putting up 30+ points against either of these teams. The problem is, could WVU stop either of them. :silly:


Biased. Neither OSU nor Michigan are one dimensional unlike WVU.

[The Evil Genius]

Biased. Neither OSU nor Michigan are one dimensional unlike WVU.

Yes, WVU is one dimensional. They haven't had to pass the ball much..of course, when they do...they rack up 200+ yards passing in a half.

:D

[EersSkins05]

Yes, WVU is one dimensional. They haven't had to pass the ball much..of course, when they do...they rack up 200+ yards passing in a half.

:D

I think he meant that the team was one dimensional, not the offense.

Which I sort of agree with. The D has been playing very well in the second half of the past few games, so they might be pulling it together as the season progresses.

I think our O is as good as anyone's in the country, if not better.

[hokie4redskins]

I don't want to see a rematch at all. The WHOLE point of that game was that the winner goes on to the MNC and the loser doesn't. That's what made the stakes of that game so big. OSU earned that right and they earned the right to NOT give Michigan another shot at the championship. What if Michigan won the MNC against OSU? Then that entire game on Saturday was meaningless.

[The Evil Genius]

I don't want to see a rematch at all. The WHOLE point of that game was that the winner goes on to the MNC and the loser doesn't. That's what made the stakes of that game so big. OSU earned that right and they earned the right to NOT give Michigan another shot at the championship. What if Michigan won the MNC against OSU? Then that entire game on Saturday was meaningless.


If Michigan does get the nod instead of a one loss USC or a 1 loss Arkansas/Florida...then I suspect every commish outside of the Big 10 will vote to end this BCS nonsense.

So perhaps..we should all be wanting a re-match. :laugh:

[Mufumonk]

I don't want to see a rematch at all. The WHOLE point of that game was that the winner goes on to the MNC and the loser doesn't. That's what made the stakes of that game so big. OSU earned that right and they earned the right to NOT give Michigan another shot at the championship. What if Michigan won the MNC against OSU? Then that entire game on Saturday was meaningless.

And the entire point of the BCS is to pit the 2 best teams in the country against each other in the NC. OSU and Michigan are clearly the 2 best teams in the country right now.

[PleaseBlitz]

I don't want to see a rematch at all. The WHOLE point of that game was that the winner goes on to the MNC and the loser doesn't. That's what made the stakes of that game so big. OSU earned that right and they earned the right to NOT give Michigan another shot at the championship. What if Michigan won the MNC against OSU? Then that entire game on Saturday was meaningless.


I........agree.........with.......Hokie........4.





:puke:















:laugh:

[The Evil Genius]

And the entire point of the BCS is to pit the 2 best teams in the country against each other in the NC. OSU and Michigan are clearly the 2 best teams in the country right now.

Has either played USC or Florida/Arkansas? So you are basing on the fact that they ran a depleted Big 10 and beat their OOC schedule - which consisted of young Texas team for OSU and an overrated ND team for Michigan.

What happens if OSU loses to USC or Florida/Arkansas in the BCS championship game? Are you going to come back and say oops?

:silly:

[jbooma]

I don't want to see a rematch at all. The WHOLE point of that game was that the winner goes on to the MNC and the loser doesn't. That's what made the stakes of that game so big. OSU earned that right and they earned the right to NOT give Michigan another shot at the championship. What if Michigan won the MNC against OSU? Then that entire game on Saturday was meaningless.

I have been on the rematch bandwagon but agree with this, we can not make the regular season not important so do believe Michigan should not be the team to play OSU. Michigan did not win their conference.

[Mufumonk]

I have been on the rematch bandwagon but agree with this, we can not make the regular season not important so do believe Michigan should not be the team to play OSU. Michigan did not win their conference.

Scaredypuss......... :D

[jbooma]

Scaredypuss......... :D

dam right, it is so hard to beat a team twice in college, it is not fair to the team that had already won, look at FSU and Miami or was it Florida a while back, FSU one in the regular season then get crushed in the bowl :silly:

[airborneskins]

Although I don't want to see it, I think that it will be a rematch. USC will lose to ND on Saturday, and Arkansas will beat Florida in the SECCG. So I think that Even though ND beats USC, and Florida loses, the top 4 in the BCS standings will be:
1) OSU
2) Michigan
3) Arkansas
4) ND

[mjah]

The two best teams should play, period. Doesn't matter if they already played.

Best two teams go, best two teams play. Anything else, and it's time to just shut down the sport.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Michigan/Ohio State? Eh been there done that and nothing really happened that caused me to want to see that game again. I want to see USC/Ohio State.

[Mufumonk]

Michigan/Ohio State? Eh been there done that and nothing really happened that caused me to want to see that game again. I want to see USC/Ohio State.


USC is a fraud and would get throttled by OSU.

[Gary Clark Fan]

As a Michigan grad of course I could make a bias comment and say "Of course there should be a rematch".....And I actually agree that there should be, but for a legit reason and not just b/c we lost. First of all if USC wins out they will probably go (which doesnt make sense since they lost to Oregon St. which brings up the debate whether Michigan loss is better then USC's loss and that is for another discussion) but if they loss this is why we should get the rematch.

1. Loss by 3 on the road the day after the most important person in the program's history passed away.

2. They have 1 loss by 3 points to the #1 team in the country.. Who else that has 1 loss can say there loss was to a better team...If your 1 loss came at home then forget it they should be out...Michigan shouldnt be punished for losing late in the season......If that was the case then they should play OSU the first game of the season...

3. I am curious to see how the teams match up on a neutral field with field conditions that are adequete for football. No excuse or anything, but the field conditions were miserabel.

4. If USC fails and Florida wins out they are the only team that has a case to play in the game.....However with the BCS standings the way they are they might not be able to jump over Michigan......Again I dont think Florida is as good as Michigan and although they only have one loss, Michigan loss was better then Florida's.

Again if there is no rematch and USC plays OSU I would be disappointed since they also had one loss .......OSU beat us fair and square. However no other team besides them should play in that game. I guess the real question we can ask next week if ND wins is why do they deserve to go over Michigan? I dont understand why its fair or the rational behind it. GO BLUE.

[LeesburgSkinFan]

Interesting point by Pete Fiutak of college football news:

"3. Isn’t it just the slightest bit, teensy-weensy, possible that the two top Big Teners are a bit overrated?
Once the Ohio State and Michigan defenses faced living, breathing offenses, each other's, for the first time in weeks, the results were disastrous for both sides. Are you really sure West Virginia wouldn’t run wild on these two? Couldn’t USC’s receiving corps go nuts on the two secondaries? Couldn’t Darren McFadden and Arkansas run amok? Isn’t the point to compare conference champions to truly see who’s best?"

[Mufumonk]

Interesting point by Pete Fiutak of college football news:

"3. Isn’t it just the slightest bit, teensy-weensy, possible that the two top Big Teners are a bit overrated?
Once the Ohio State and Michigan defenses faced living, breathing offenses, each other's, for the first time in weeks, the results were disastrous for both sides. Are you really sure West Virginia wouldn’t run wild on these two? Couldn’t USC’s receiving corps go nuts on the two secondaries? Couldn’t Darren McFadden and Arkansas run amok? Isn’t the point to compare conference champions to truly see who’s best?"

OSU has already beaten 2 #2 teams this year. Michigan has beaten 2 BCS teams and lost to the #1 team by 3 points on the road. OSU put a hurting on Texas while Michigan embarrassed ND. I have a hard time buying the overrated remark.

[Gary Clark Fan]

WV is good but there schedule kills them.. If they want to be considered a serious contender then they got to fix up that schedule......The Big East is a joke in football (with exceptions to Lousiville and rutgers-atleat this year) and the only other opponent of note was MD. Now what happened to VTech, doesn't WV always play them or was that only when they were in the Big East. Either way I enjoy watching them play but in the same tone Michigan is NOT overrated.

[PleaseBlitz]

WV is good but there schedule kills them.. If they want to be considered a serious contender then they got to fix up that schedule......The Big East is a joke in football (with exceptions to Lousiville and rutgers-atleat this year) and the only other opponent of note was MD. Now what happened to VTech, doesn't WV always play them or was that only when they were in the Big East. Either way I enjoy watching them play but in the same tone Michigan is NOT overrated.


#1, yes the schedule kills them, but for the millionth time, schedules are created 5 years in advance and the Big East teams all had several teams bail on them. VT bailed on WVU, and i cant say that i blame them. In the next few years WVU is playing Wisconsin, Florida State, and Auburn so they DID fix up that schedule. Next year however is going to be more of the same National Championship talk for the Mounties. :)

#2, funny you say the Big East is a joke with the exception of 3 teams. What about the Pac-10 which is a joke except for 2 teams and the Big 12 which is a joke except for 2 teams? The ACC which has no top teams, what about them? How many top 15 teams does a conference need to not be a "joke" in your book? Because the BE has as many as anyone except the SEC.

#3, i dont think Michigan is overrated. If USC loses, they should get the rematch on a neutral field.

[The Evil Genius]

Did you know ubergeek Jeff Sagarin has WVU playing a harder schedule (rank wise so far this season) than Arkansas, Texas, and Florida?

He has WVU's schedule at 42nd hardest. It should only go up since WVu still has 16th ranked Rutgers and 50th ranked USF on its schedule (rankings current per Sagarin).

Of course, he does still have Cal at #6 in his overall rankings... :silly:

[Gary Clark Fan]

#1, yes the schedule kills them, but for the millionth time, schedules are created 5 years in advance and the Big East teams all had several teams bail on them. VT bailed on WVU, and i cant say that i blame them. In the next few years WVU is playing Wisconsin, Florida State, and Auburn so they DID fix up that schedule. Next year however is going to be more of the same National Championship talk for the Mounties. :)

#2, funny you say the Big East is a joke with the exception of 3 teams. What about the Pac-10 which is a joke except for 2 teams and the Big 12 which is a joke except for 2 teams? The ACC which has no top teams, what about them? How many top 15 teams does a conference need to not be a "joke" in your book? Because the BE has as many as anyone except the SEC.

#3, i dont think Michigan is overrated. If USC loses, they should get the rematch on a neutral field.

head to head if you compare the BE against the other major conferences (ACC, B10, B12, PAC) the league is week. Problem with the BE is that they are top heavy and the bottom tier teams are awful, not that it stopped Conn and Syracuse from knockin off 2 of the lower tier B10 programs but those schools even played better as the year went on and had some big wins.......While using the word joke to describe BE was not right its foolish to compare their overall conference with the traditionally true powerhouse conferences.

[PleaseBlitz]

head to head if you compare the BE against the other major conferences (ACC, B10, B12, PAC) the league is week. Problem with the BE is that they are top heavy and the bottom tier teams are awful, not that it stopped Conn and Syracuse from knockin off 2 of the lower tier B10 programs but those schools even played better as the year went on and had some big wins.......While using the word joke to describe BE was not right its foolish to compare their overall conference with the traditionally true powerhouse conferences.


O RLY? Head to head you think the BE is weaker than the Pac-10 or the ACC?

Your examples of Uconn and SU actually beating B10 teams on the field i guess being tossed out, would you like to explain why you think this?

You think 0-11 Duke or 1-10 Stanford is better than 4-7 Syracuse?

[The Evil Genius]

O RLY? Head to head you think the BE is weaker than the Pac-10 or the ACC?

Your examples of Uconn and SU actually beating B10 teams on the field i guess being tossed out, would you like to explain why you think this?

You think 0-11 Duke or 1-10 Stanford is better than 4-7 Syracuse?


Not to mention a 2-9 UNC, 3-8 NC State, 2-10 Illinois, 3-8 Michigan State,3-8 Ole Miss, 3-8 Miss State, 4-8 vandy, 4-8 Northwestern, 4-8 Baylor, 4-8 Iowa State...

[PleaseBlitz]

Not to mention a 2-9 UNC, 3-8 NC State, 2-10 Illinois, 3-8 Michigan State,3-8 Ole Miss, 3-8 Miss State, 4-8 vandy, 4-8 Northwestern, 4-8 Baylor, 4-8 Iowa State...


Well, i wanted to see how he'd answer an obvious one just to gauge his IQ. ;)

[jbooma]

I don't think Big East fans can talk until someone, anyone in there conference can win a road game vs a good team, the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10 have all been able to do that this year, but not the Big East :)

[PleaseBlitz]

I don't think Big East fans can talk until someone, anyone in there conference can win a road game vs a good team, the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10 have all been able to do that this year, but not the Big East :)


Who is talking about a BE team being #2 in the BCS? And you forgot 2 conferences.

[Gary Clark Fan]

O RLY? Head to head you think the BE is weaker than the Pac-10 or the ACC?

Your examples of Uconn and SU actually beating B10 teams on the field i guess being tossed out, would you like to explain why you think this?

You think 0-11 Duke or 1-10 Stanford is better than 4-7 Syracuse?

The BE is overall a week conference year in and year out......Who are your marquee teams?? WV and Louisville. Are they consistently title contenders?? NO they are not...In fact look at the BE:



Lousville 4-1/9-1
Rutgers 4-1/9-1
WVU 4-1/9-1
South Fl. 3-3/7-4
Cinci 3-3/6-5
Pitt 2-4/6-5
Conn 1-4/4-6
SYR 1-5/4-7

WOW thats a fearsome conference......So you goin to say Rutgers is now a traditional powerhouse? Lousiville has a few years of success, but longterm ? WV..they have been good the past two years but then again they have had some bad years recentlly so I wouldnt consider them a powerhouse.....A powerhouse is a team that year after year competes for a national championship and is ranked.........None of those teams have been able to maintain success year after year. Until they have a team that does then they will be considered a weak conference and rightfully so.

Now take a look at the B10:


OSU 8-0/12-0
Michigan 7-1/11-1
Wisco 7-1/11-1
PSU 5-3/8-4
Purdue 5-3/8-4
Minn 3-5/6-6
Indiana 3-5/5-7
Iowa 2-6/6-6
NW 2-6/4-8
MSU 1-7/4-8
Ill 1-7/ 2-10




Everyone of these teams has played in a new years day bowl in the past 5 years or so with exception of Indiana. Heck Illinois and Iowa played in BCS bowels in the past few years.......Also Michigan, OSU, PSU, Wisco, Iowa are considered powerhouses. Why? B/C unlike teams from the BE these teams are consistently competitive and are nationally ranked........

BE fans: one or two years of success doesn't make you a national powerhouse....being consistent is the key and no one in the BE has proven that they can be...........

Its actually sad to hear the defense of the BE b/c in reality its not a very conference. It just happens this year to be an above average conference.......

[PleaseBlitz]

First of all, i notice you didnt bother to answer my question. I SPECIFICALLY asked you about the ACC and Pac-10, and you totally dodged it. :nono:

Now for the rest.

The BE is overall a week conference year in and year out......Who are your marquee teams?? WV and Louisville. Are they consistently title contenders?? NO they are not...In fact look at the BE:



Lousville 4-1/9-1
Rutgers 4-1/9-1
WVU 4-1/9-1
South Fl. 3-3/7-4
Cinci 3-3/6-5
Pitt 2-4/6-5
Conn 1-4/4-6
SYR 1-5/4-7

WOW thats a fearsome conference......So you goin to say Rutgers is now a traditional powerhouse? Lousiville has a few years of success, but longterm ? WV..they have been good the past two years but then again they have had some bad years recentlly so I wouldnt consider them a powerhouse.....A powerhouse is a team that year after year competes for a national championship and is ranked.........None of those teams have been able to maintain success year after year. Until they have a team that does then they will be considered a weak conference and rightfully so.

Oh, ok. So now you are backtracking and trying to talk about the PAST. Sorry, i thought we were talking about the present. I guess thats the easy thing to do when you are trying to talk **** about a conference that has only been in existence in its current configuration for 3 years.

None of the 3 top teams in the BE are "traditional" powerhouses. But who is the better PROGRAM right now, Louisville or Penn State? WVU or Miami?

Who is to say that WVU and Louisville cant stay at their current level for years to come? Both have young coaches that have built the programs to new heights. Do you think they are going to just take a huge step backwards anytime soon?

The BE has IMPROVED every year since the raid. True or false?

Now take a look at the B10:


OSU 8-0/12-0
Michigan 7-1/11-1
Wisco 7-1/11-1
PSU 5-3/8-4
Purdue 5-3/8-4
Minn 3-5/6-6
Indiana 3-5/5-7
Iowa 2-6/6-6
NW 2-6/4-8
MSU 1-7/4-8
Ill 1-7/ 2-10



Everyone of these teams has played in a new years day bowl in the past 5 years or so with exception of Indiana. Heck Illinois and Iowa played in BCS bowels in the past few years.......Also Michigan, OSU, PSU, Wisco, Iowa are considered powerhouses. Why? B/C unlike teams from the BE these teams are consistently competitive and are nationally ranked........

If you want to argue who is the better conference, the Big 10 or the Big East, you wont get an arguement from me. Same with the SEC.

But when you start talking about the ACC and the Pac-10, and then single out the Big East as a weak conference, then im going to question your reasoning.

BE fans: one or two years of success doesn't make you a national powerhouse....being consistent is the key and no one in the BE has proven that they can be...........

Its actually sad to hear the defense of the BE b/c in reality its not a very conference. It just happens this year to be an above average conference.......

The Big East in its current configuration has only been in existance for 3 years. The conference that raided us does not have a single team ranked higher than our THIRD PLACE TEAM. Eventually, people are going to sit up and take notice of the fact that the conference has had this much success this early. Some will be slower than others.

[Gary Clark Fan]

First of all, i notice you didnt bother to answer my question. I SPECIFICALLY asked you about the ACC and Pac-10, and you totally dodged it. :nono:

Now for the rest.



Oh, ok. So now you are backtracking and trying to talk about the PAST. Sorry, i thought we were talking about the present. I guess thats the easy thing to do when you are trying to talk **** about a conference that has only been in existence in its current configuration for 3 years.

None of the 3 top teams in the BE are "traditional" powerhouses. But who is the better PROGRAM right now, Louisville or Penn State? WVU or Miami?

Who is to say that WVU and Louisville cant stay at their current level for years to come? Both have young coaches that have built the programs to new heights. Do you think they are going to just take a huge step backwards anytime soon?

The BE has IMPROVED every year since the raid. True or false?



If you want to argue who is the better conference, the Big 10 or the Big East, you wont get an arguement from me. Same with the SEC.

But when you start talking about the ACC and the Pac-10, and then single out the Big East as a weak conference, then im going to question your reasoning.



The Big East in its current configuration has only been in existance for 3 years. The conference that raided us does not have a single team ranked higher than our THIRD PLACE TEAM. Eventually, people are going to sit up and take notice of the fact that the conference has had this much success this early. Some will be slower than others.

I could care less about the other conferences as I am a B10 guy.and Maize and Blue all the way...........Yea so BigEast is having a good year.....So what your saying Im back tracking but pointing to facts.......One year doesnt make you a legit conference.......As I stated maintine continuity......and we shall see......Yea and I will talk crap about the BE b/c it has a couple good teams and the rest are garbage.......Oh and talkin about what if about future of WVU and Lousiville.......talk is cheap prove it.........Just b/c you all having a good year doesnt mean you have arrived at the college elite level. Sorry but wishing on your part. So what if the conference has been in place for 3 years, what they didnt play football before then........those teams were medicore at best before and still are..........Yea lousiville is having a good year but better program then PSU......Sorry wrong! PSU recruiting blows Lousiville away so just b/c they have a better record doesnt make them a better program.........What your sayin in sense is that since Boise State is undefeated they have a better team then Michigan?

So give me evidence that the BE has improved.......Has the entire conference gotten better.......No its still the same 2 teams Lousville and WV....no one else has impressed. For the conference to improve , every team has to improve and I dont see it. And if you had read what i said then I said TRADITIONALLY ACC and PAC10 are better the the BE.... Your right about one thing B10 is much better then BE. Again Im a Michigan fan and B10 guy so your argument is pointless with me b/c both my team and conference are better then yours!

[The Evil Genius]

Even though it won't happen, I would love to see a Michigan/WVU Rose Bowl. I think it potentially would allow WVU to open more eyes at a national level...or at least garner some more respect.

[rincewind]

Even though it won't happen, I would love to see a Michigan/WVU Rose Bowl. I think it potentially would allow WVU to open more eyes at a national level...or at least garner some more respect.


And just think of the lovely sigs you, PB, and major would have to sport afterward. :D

[The Evil Genius]

And just think of the lovely sigs you, PB, and major would have to sport afterward. :D

:D

Well...no one gave WVU a shot last year either. So who knows? Its not like Michigan has seen that speed on offense...and yes, I did just claim that.

[Gary Clark Fan]

Even though it won't happen, I would love to see a Michigan/WVU Rose Bowl. I think it potentially would allow WVU to open more eyes at a national level...or at least garner some more respect.

I wouldnt mind a rematch but if thats not the case bring them on! I enjoy watching WV play and wouldnt mind playin someone new, besides the usual Pac 10/ SEC teams we play in Bowl Games. Michigan never backs down from playing anyone.

[rincewind]

:D

Well...no one gave WVU a shot last year either. So who knows? Its not like Michigan has seen that speed on offense...and yes, I did just claim that.



That's okay - WVU has seen that type of speed on defense. :)

[Mufumonk]

That's okay - WVU has seen that type of speed on defense. :)


Or that type of balance on offense.

[PleaseBlitz]

That's okay - WVU has seen that type of speed on defense. :)

Or that type of balance on offense.


Not even close. :laugh:


It'd be a fun game to watch. Michigan is #2 on my wishlist, right behind ND.

[BayouBrave86]

Hopefully LSU gets to play USC or Notre Dame in a BCS bowl after they handle Arkansas tomorrow. By the way, LSU is the only team in college football history to play all of it's road games against teams that were in the top 10 during the week of the game. Can't wait for next year's home slate though. Va Tech, Auburn, Florida, Arkansas...oh yeah!

[mjah]

I don't think Big East fans can talk until someone, anyone in there conference can win a road game vs a good team

Actually, I believe South Florida just notched an impressive road win... :D

[BayouBrave86]

Actually screw the wanting to play Notre Dame in a bowl talk, I would love for LSU to play Michigan in the Rose. I hope it works out that way.

[jbooma]

USC now #2 as long as they beat UCLA they are in the title game vs OSU!!