Love Fox now???

[MrMan978]

Everyone on the board was in love with Fox for his one good game. Yesterday shows why no one heard of him before. We paid all this money to AA we might as well play him now because the season is over.

[stwasm]

He has played pretty solidly and made the most of the opportunities he's been given. For once, the front office finds a diamond in the rough.

[no1fanofno21]

its cause no springs. When we were healthy Fox was a huge upgrade at safety than what we had. He still played good. He had that punch out at the goal line to force a field goal.

Don't blame just one person. If your going to step up and blame someone blame Gibbs, the playcalling has been terrible and just disgusting.

[Mr. S]

Everyone on the board was in love with Fox for his one good game. Yesterday shows why no one heard of him before. We paid all this money to AA we might as well play him now because the season is over.

cause Archuleta has played soo much better??? :doh: Where does one even conceive of something like that. Fox got beat yes, but Archuleta got beat in numerous games before. Archuleta also screwed up by falling on that Jerious Norwood run. I question Archuleta's desire to stay with the team at this point. I would rather play Reed Doughty if you want to replace Fox, or re-sign Curry Burns, at least it'd be a funny name.

[MrMan978]

its cause no springs. When we were healthy Fox was a huge upgrade at safety than what we had. He still played good. He had that punch out at the goal line to force a field goal.

Don't blame just one person. If your going to step up and blame someone blame Gibbs, the playcalling has been terrible and just disgusting.

Not blaming Fox for the lost, but I would like to see Double A play. We paid him the money the season is over, lets see if he learned anything these past couple of weeks on the bench. I would like to see Rocky get in the game also. It also would be nice if we open the offense up to see what Campbell can do, **** were not making the playoffs. Damn what a waste of a season. You get your hopes up and the Redskins just crush it.

[DoBe]

Umm am I the only one who saw his TD saving pass deflection?

Yeah he was out of position on the Crumpler TD but Washington didn't even attempt to bump Crumpler off the line to give Fox a chance to get over there.

[MrMan978]

cause Archuleta has played soo much better??? :doh: Where does one even conceive of something like that. Fox got beat yes, but Archuleta got beat in numerous games before. Archuleta also screwed up by falling on that Jerious Norwood run. I question Archuleta's desire to stay with the team at this point. I would rather play Reed Doughty if you want to replace Fox, or re-sign Curry Burns, at least it'd be a funny name.

That was not Archuleta who fell down on that Norwood run. Archuleta was right beside Greg Williams on the bench.

[hanster]

Everyone on the board was in love with Fox for his one good game. Yesterday shows why no one heard of him before. We paid all this money to AA we might as well play him now because the season is over.

He is a 3rd string player and that is what you get from a third stringer. Shawn Springs is so soft it isn't funny. He is the one to blame. We definately need to cut his stinkin butt.

[thewagen]

It was Fox that got burned by Norwood, not AA

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

Did you see how he just crawled on the ground? LMAO that was BAD

[MrMan978]

Did you see how he just crawled on the ground? LMAO that was BAD

That was funny lol. Norwood move wasn't that nice either it was a simple junk move. :mad:

[CPortJGibbs89]

Umm am I the only one who saw his TD saving pass deflection?

Yeah he was out of position on the Crumpler TD but Washington didn't even attempt to bump Crumpler off the line to give Fox a chance to get over there.I agree that was a great play in the endzone. Then on the Crumpler TD it looked like a mix up in coverage and fox got hung out to dry. Fox wasnt the only one of defense that broke his ankles on the Norwood run. I still think he played a solid game. Our whole defense ****ing sucks.

[XxSpearheadxX]

Umm am I the only one who saw his TD saving pass deflection?

Yeah he was out of position on the Crumpler TD but Washington didn't even attempt to bump Crumpler off the line to give Fox a chance to get over there.

Bingo - it is fans like you that make me feel sane in and insane world as I listen to 980 and read the Post today.

Thank you.

[Dan T.]

I would rather play Reed Doughty if you want to replace Fox, or re-sign Curry Burns, at least it'd be a funny name.

:laugh: Arch sucks, but Curry Burns.

[GaryClark4Canton]

That was funny lol. Norwood move wasn't that nice either it was a simple junk move. :mad:

Matter of fact, it wasn't a move at all! It was the equivalent of pushing the joystick right in Madden, whoopty.

Don't even get me started on Carlos Roger's Pirouette near the end zone on that Norwood run :doh:

Norwoods didn't do diddly-poo™ as far as moves are concerned and we made him look like LT :mad:


GC

[WideReceiver25]

All the good players were injured so the Skins could only play who they had. The loss shouldn't just fall on Fox. The D let the team down.

[chaught76]

Some of you have to be kidding me? You want to play AA just because we are paying him more. So Fox had a bad game, so did a lot of players. Holdman didn't look to great. Jansen and Thomas weren't playing that well.

How about talking about what did look right?
- Golston is playing some great ball right now.
- Dockery is playing better.
- Andre Carter is playing better. He had a great game against Atlanta.
- Betts seems to be getting better every game.
- Rock is playing awesome on special teams.

Yeah it stinks we lost and mathematically out of the playoff now, but the best thing we can do now is find out what are guys are really made of. Find out who the ball players are and keep if they make the team better and get rid of the athletes just acquiring a pay check. :2cents:

[Jay Master Jay]

Is Fox alright? it looked like he couldnt run the blocked punt in for a touchdown because his ankles were broken when he tried to tackle Norwood.

[Leonard Washington]

AA woulda made that tackle. ;)

[pjfootballer]

The main problem is not just one player on defense. It's the defense as a whole. Our defense is not playing bad all game, but the problem is, we seem to give up the big play at the wrong time. We've just given up too many big plays this year.

[SKINZ33]

Look, we can all blame fox, AA, Springs being injured, whatever for our weak secondary but the fact of the matter is that we have created such a turnstyle on the defensive side of the ball that we should have seen this coming at some point.

You can't just go scraping guys off of the street and expect them to be difference makers. Yeah, every now and then Fox migh produce a good game or whoever, but until this organization realizes that stability and smart personnel moves are the way to go, we could be witnessing poor play for some time.

C'mon FO, get things straight.

[SKINZ33]

Some of you have to be kidding me? You want to play AA just because we are paying him more. So Fox had a bad game, so did a lot of players. Holdman didn't look to great. Jansen and Thomas weren't playing that well.

How about talking about what did look right?
- Golston is playing some great ball right now.
- Dockery is playing better.
- Andre Carter is playing better. He had a great game against Atlanta.
- Betts seems to be getting better every game.
- Rock is playing awesome on special teams.

Yeah it stinks we lost and mathematically out of the playoff now, but the best thing we can do now is find out what are guys are really made of. Find out who the ball players are and keep if they make the team better and get rid of the athletes just acquiring a pay check. :2cents:

Golston had 2 tackles. Not compeltely note worthy but at this point I'll look for any silver lining I can. Carter does seem to be coming aroung a bit though.

[tennisacerg]

no joke, why are we paying Adam Archuleta to be a $30 million to be a gunner on the punt squad?!?!?!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

um, fox had a pretty decent game. he got beat by the best tight end in football, and slipped before trying to tackle a guy 2x his size. he also saved a touchdown in the endzone with a pass deflection, not to mention vick didnt throw to his area too much yesterday. now kenny wright, THATS who we should be directing our anger at. pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease never put him in man coverage GW pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeee!

[MrMan978]

AA woulda made that tackle. ;)
That is true AA would have the tackle. AA is young so we can still help him on covering. It's time to see what he can do.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

Golston had 2 tackles. Not compeltely note worthy but at this point I'll look for any silver lining I can. Carter does seem to be coming aroung a bit though.



golston looked great, much better than salavea does. he was getting great penetration, and its not DT jobs to make tackles. he plugs up the hole and gets enough penetration for a LB or sean taylor to come up and make the tackle at the line. golston should start, end of story.

[#1SkinsFan]

Is Fox alright? it looked like he couldnt run the blocked punt in for a touchdown because his ankles were broken when he tried to tackle Norwood.

Reed Doughty recovered that blocked punt not Fox.............

[MrMan978]

Are the players even happy here?? Every year we have problems managing are players. I love Gibbs but are front Office is horrible

[pR0JEkT 21]

Is Fox alright? it looked like he couldnt run the blocked punt in for a touchdown because his ankles were broken when he tried to tackle Norwood. Dude it was Daughty that picked up the ball after the blocked punt anyways it wasn't Fox, by the way he didn't block the ball either that was Rock I believe!

[Burgold]

Yes, Fox deserves some love still. I don't hate any Redskin player, although some cause me migraines.

[PA Skin Fan]

Fox had great safety play when he ran over and knocked away that pass in the end zone to force FG. Blaming him for the long run is the same type of dumb thinking that caused us to get rid of solid Ryan Clark when LT torched him last year.

I'm not saying he's amazing or anything, but he's doing fine right now. Our defense played the best game of the season (by far) with him in the game. I say let's continue to see what he can do.

[thewagen]

Some of you have to be kidding me? You want to play AA just because we are paying him more. So Fox had a bad game, so did a lot of players. Holdman didn't look to great. Jansen and Thomas weren't playing that well.

How about talking about what did look right?
- Golston is playing some great ball right now.
- Dockery is playing better.
- Andre Carter is playing better. He had a great game against Atlanta.
- Betts seems to be getting better every game.
- Rock is playing awesome on special teams.

Yeah it stinks we lost and mathematically out of the playoff now, but the best thing we can do now is find out what are guys are really made of. Find out who the ball players are and keep if they make the team better and get rid of the athletes just acquiring a pay check. :2cents:

Holdman ALWAYS looks like SH-----T! And yet we have our #1 draft pick (McIntosh) picking his nose on STs....PATHETIC!

[SkinsFan13]

He has played pretty solidly and made the most of the opportunities he's been given. For once, the front office finds a diamond in the rough.

are you kidding? he helped us with the carolina game and then agains the falcons cost us one td and arguably a second for tripping and missing that huge run. hes no good, but I wouldnt put AA in, hes done with and will be gone.

[thewagen]

AA will be gone? And how do you suppose the 'Skins will swallow his $20Miliion cap hit? It all comes due next year if he is cut!

[SkinsFan13]

Fox had great safety play when he ran over and knocked away that pass in the end zone to force FG. Blaming him for the long run is the same type of dumb thinking that caused us to get rid of solid Ryan Clark when LT torched him last year.

I'm not saying he's amazing or anything, but he's doing fine right now. Our defense played the best game of the season (by far) with him in the game. I say let's continue to see what he can do.

we must not have watched the same guy yesterday, because imo his performance was pretty bad like some other players. I deff dont think hes doing fine, and he forced them to make a fg the second time around, after he cost us the first td. The run wasnt his fault but he could have stopped it right there if he hadnt tripped. Him and many other players looked bad out there yesterday. I dont see how anyone could say vernon fox played a fine solid game yesterday.

[SkinsFan13]

AA will be gone? And how do you suppose the 'Skins will swallow his $20Miliion cap hit? It all comes due next year if he is cut!

20 mill cap hit? some are speculating that it will only cost us 3 1/2 mill because 5 mill of it was to be a next year bonus or something. Not sure of the details but they were talkng about it on espn radio, about how the arch deal may only cost the skins 3.5 mill. unless i misunderstood kevin..

[sitting bull]

It was Fox that got burned by Norwood, not AA

And Ade "Toaster" Jimoh

[SkinsFan13]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/11/post_3.html


thats about the archuletta deal and what it will really cost us

[Santana_Fan]

He made that perfect knock down of the pass that Vick could've completed in the end zone...he played well, not good, and not bad as some people are making it out to be.

[SkinsFan13]

um, fox had a pretty decent game. he got beat by the best tight end in football, and slipped before trying to tackle a guy 2x his size. he also saved a touchdown in the endzone with a pass deflection, not to mention vick didnt throw to his area too much yesterday. now kenny wright, THATS who we should be directing our anger at. pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease never put him in man coverage GW pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeeee!

best tight end in football? sorry I cant agree with that comment.. kenny wright however imo shouldnt even be playin football..

[SkinsFan13]

He made that perfect knock down of the pass that Vick could've completed in the end zone...he played well, not good, and not bad as some people are making it out to be.

what else did he do? the bad outweighs the good man, no one expects him to be amazing he played like expected, but it wasnt good. A perfect knockdown, he did his job an stopped one pass, that isnt enough for me to forgive him for the other mistakes he made. but again I wasnt expecting much out of him.

[Merlin Emrys]

Shawn Springs is so soft it isn't funny. He is the one to blame.

With all the coaches this team has, you would think we would have one in charge of stretching. Injured hamstrings are caused by one thing - poor flexibility. The way to prevent these injuries is simple. Stretch regularly and properly. The number of hammy injuries this team has had speaks volumes for its mentality.

[SkinsFan13]

its not easy but the man tripped over his own two feet when if he hadnt he would have easily been there to stop that run. I dont blame him much for that run though, it should have been stopped before it even got to him. I agree about everything else you said though.

[phatboy41]

Everyone on the board was in love with Fox for his one good game. Yesterday shows why no one heard of him before. We paid all this money to AA we might as well play him now because the season is over.

Sorry that youre in love with AA, but Fox has proven he is worthy to play at SS and AA (whom I was excited about acquiring) has proven he is great at warming the bench up. Playing him wouldn't be that bad of a thing, but I still think Fox deserves this opportunity. And, he wasn't at all entirely at fault for our loss... our team played strong 1st quarter then sucked for the rest of the game.

[Mr. S]

That was not Archuleta who fell down on that Norwood run. Archuleta was right beside Greg Williams on the bench.

I know Fox fell down against Norwood, but earlier someone else had fallen too who I thought was Archuleta. If it wasn't him, then my mistake. At least Fox tried to crawl back, whoever fell first just laid there.

The thing is, we've had great chances at other safeties. Im glad for Troy Vincent, but Artrell Hawkins last season? How about keeping Antuan Edwards, though Im not sure what he's doing now. We could have had Lance Shulters at one point, another former Gregg Williams player. He was playing on the Falcons yesterday. Shoot, I'd take Ohalete back at this rate.

[phatboy41]

Our defense might be better if we had reliable CB's. Kenny Wright... just makes me want to rip my head off. Can't cover a rock in the middle of the field. Shawn Springs is good, be he gets hurt every 5 steps.

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Fox can cover, but can't tackle...

Archuleta can tackle, but can't cover...

It's easy to see that neither one of these guys should be starting for us next season.

I vote to pick up LaRon Landry from LSU or Reggie Nelson from Florida in the draft, we should have a high enough pick to get either of those guys.

[SkinsFan13]

Our defense might be better if we had reliable CB's. Kenny Wright... just makes me want to rip my head off. Can't cover a rock in the middle of the field. Shawn Springs is good, be he gets hurt every 5 steps.

i know just what you mean, i feel the exact same way. I dont believe wright belongs in football it kills me everytime I see 25 on the field. I dont even know about springs anymore I didnt even see enough of him this season, and I guess I wont..

[SKINZ33]

golston looked great, much better than salavea does. he was getting great penetration, and its not DT jobs to make tackles. he plugs up the hole and gets enough penetration for a LB or sean taylor to come up and make the tackle at the line. golston should start, end of story.

Yes sir!:doh:

[SkinsFan13]

Fox can cover, but can't tackle...

Archuleta can tackle, but can't cover...

It's easy to see that neither one of these guys should be starting for us next season.

I vote to pick up LaRon Landry from LSU or Reggie Nelson from Florida in the draft, we should have a high enough pick to get either of those guys.

i dont know anything about the draft but i thoughtwe traded away next years draft picks? Can someone help me out please, I dont know much about the draft.:(

[Waleo32]

I know Fox fell down against Norwood, but earlier someone else had fallen too who I thought was Archuleta. If it wasn't him, then my mistake. At least Fox tried to crawl back, whoever fell first just laid there.

The thing is, we've had great chances at other safeties. Im glad for Troy Vincent, but Artrell Hawkins last season? How about keeping Antuan Edwards, though Im not sure what he's doing now. We could have had Lance Shulters at one point, another former Gregg Williams player. He was playing on the Falcons yesterday. Shoot, I'd take Ohalete back at this rate.

It wasn't AA. I agree with the individual who started the post. Lets see what AA has to offer because the playoffs are definitely out of reach.

[Waleo32]

Our defense might be better if we had reliable CB's. Kenny Wright... just makes me want to rip my head off. Can't cover a rock in the middle of the field. Shawn Springs is good, be he gets hurt every 5 steps.

How Rogers look?

[909997]

It was Fox that got burned by Norwood, not AA

sean taylor got juked out that play their was like 4 missed tackles

fox still had a better game then taylor

taylor had so many missed tackles

[MrMan978]

sean taylor got juked out that play their was like 4 missed tackles

fox still had a better game then taylor

taylor had so many missed tackles
At least Taylor was trying to make plays. Beside that 1 play Fox had what else did he to beside get beat for a TD and fall on his ass?? Did Norwood hit the junk button on Madden because that's going to be a classic move. EA Sports Fox your not in the game:applause:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

best tight end in football? sorry I cant agree with that comment.. kenny wright however imo shouldnt even be playin football..



um, alge crumpler is pretty much the best tight end in football. hes huge, hes fast, he catches tons of passes/tds, and hes good at blocking. please name a better tight end. maybe gonzalez or gates, but hes bigger than both of them, and catches more passes.

[MrMan978]

um, alge crumpler is pretty much the best tight end in football. hes huge, hes fast, he catches tons of passes/tds, and hes good at blocking. please name a better tight end. maybe gonzalez or gates, but hes bigger than both of them, and catches more passes.
Is Alge your cousin or something?? Because he's not Gates nor Gonzalez he drops a lot of passes. He's good don't get me wrong but not the best I'm sorry.

[DoBe]

Fox did not get burned on the Crumpler TD, he has to cover 1 man through his zone then make it over to cover Crumpler. Washington had the zone under Fox's and did nothing, no bump, no cover. He let Crumpler run unabated to the endzone and Fox had to recover from midway across the field AND he almost made the play.

Bottom line Washington engages Crumpler or at least attempts to redirect the route and Fox makes a deflection if not a pick.

[cmorina69]

I think he played well, got beat once , but not that bad springs not being in did not help.

[bulldog]

at least with Fox and Vincent we paid them a vet minimum salary, so no harm-no foul for 2007 if they don't work out. with Archuleta we basically got married without a pre-nup and the divorce is going to cost us a big hit against the cap :cry:

[pjfootballer]

With all the coaches this team has, you would think we would have one in charge of stretching. Injured hamstrings are caused by one thing - poor flexibility. The way to prevent these injuries is simple. Stretch regularly and properly. The number of hammy injuries this team has had speaks volumes for its mentality.

We should hire a fitness instuctor who tutors Hockey Goalies how to stretch. Only a few goalies get groin/hamstring pulls and they are very flexible.

[pjfootballer]

um, alge crumpler is pretty much the best tight end in football. hes huge, hes fast, he catches tons of passes/tds, and hes good at blocking. please name a better tight end. maybe gonzalez or gates, but hes bigger than both of them, and catches more passes.

Better look up some stats because Gates is the best TE in Football right now. Gonzalez can turn it on when he wants to and the kid Watson in NE is starting to make a name for himself. I'd put Crumpler in the top 10, maybe top 5, but not the best. You have no case counselor. I move to dismiss.

[phatboy41]

Fox can cover, but can't tackle...

Archuleta can tackle, but can't cover...

It's easy to see that neither one of these guys should be starting for us next season.

I vote to pick up LaRon Landry from LSU or Reggie Nelson from Florida in the draft, we should have a high enough pick to get either of those guys.

Dude, I have been saying this for a while, and I completely agree! But, I also agree that DE is more of a need than safety at this point. But LaRon Landry is someone who I'd love to see in Burgundy and Gold, but it won't happen.

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

That was the most EMBARRASSING play ever. Its still so hilarious that it deserves its own animated gif

[RedzoneHunter]

Everyone on the board was in love with Fox for his one good game. Yesterday shows why no one heard of him before. We paid all this money to AA we might as well play him now because the season is over.

This may surprise you, but Fox played well again. Granted, there was a busted coverage in there, but before that, he busted up a sure touchdown pass in the endzone.

You can't even say that Archuleta is a "has been" - because he's a "never was."

[phatboy41]

That was the most EMBARRASSING play ever. Its still so hilarious that it deserves its own animated gif

It was embarrassing, but no where near as embarrassing as paying a guy to be the highest paid safety in the league to miss blocking assignments on punts and warm the bench up for all the other players and lose his job to two players that came into the system and team later than him. And, repeatedly get absolutely burnt to a crisp every play. He didn't even hit hard like we all had hoped when he was playing. It is not all his fault, but he surely didn't contribute.

I think we should resign Fox... what do you all think?